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| 01:42.08 | infinity0 | hi, the melange UI is a little bit confusing atm |
| 01:42.17 | infinity0 | it says "In order to register your organization, you need to create a profile first." |
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| 01:42.34 | infinity0 | at first i ignored that because it sounds like something only org admins should click on, but actually all mentors use it to create a profile |
| 01:43.06 | terri | infinity0: I believe the text changes when regular mentor signups happen. the expectation is that it's org admins signing up right now. |
| 01:44.14 | terri | infinity0: that doesn't mean it oculdn't be better, but you might want to report your suggestion to the melange bug queue or #melange so it's actually on their radar |
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| 01:54.11 | infinity0 | oh ok. didn't know it wasn't yet time for regular mentors signups - i was poked by my org to create a profile already >.> |
| 01:54.17 | infinity0 | anyway, i hope i didn't break things, lol |
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| 02:01.17 | philipj | I have been asked to mentor on a project where there's a low (but not zero) chance that my help will be needed. Is this normal, or should one only sign up as mentor if one expects to do actual work? |
| 02:02.47 | adam_vollrath | i'm sure you can find something to help with |
| 02:02.52 | olly | philipj: you can sign up as a mentor at any point during gsoc, so if you aren't going to review proposals, you can just wait |
| 02:03.15 | olly | would suggest asking your org admin |
| 02:03.33 | philipj | ok, thanks olly |
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| 02:04.49 | raniere | hi, backup administrator need to accept the position? |
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| 02:14.24 | olly | raniere: yes |
| 02:14.47 | raniere | olly: thanks |
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| 02:47.53 | CarlFK | "User already exists for username carlfk." I'm confused - do we need to create a new account? |
| 02:49.06 | tierra | if you have an account from a previous year, you can use the same one. |
| 02:52.35 | CarlFK | thanks |
| 02:56.20 | olly | CarlFK: you need to create a *profile* for 2015 though |
| 02:56.40 | CarlFK | ah, that's it |
| 02:57.26 | umccullough | it really is confusing for "new" people - something should be done to make it less so |
| 02:57.38 | umccullough | but i'm not sure what |
| 02:58.16 | olly | i feel you should just need to check your personal details are correct and confirm you accept the new year's T&Cs |
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| 02:58.25 | umccullough | yeah, maybe that's all |
| 02:58.40 | olly | but I suspect that's simple to say, but harder to change the datastructures for |
| 02:58.45 | umccullough | or, after logging it for the new year, it asks if you want to copy your previous profile |
| 02:58.55 | olly | it certain seems that apparently trivial changes are very hard to actually do |
| 02:59.00 | umccullough | heh |
| 02:59.08 | umccullough | at the very least, it should guide you throught the process |
| 02:59.23 | umccullough | like telling you that while you have an account, you need to setup a new profile |
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| 03:01.18 | umccullough | when it tells you the "user already exists", it should also ask if you would like to create a new profile |
| 03:01.41 | olly | that's a good idea - you should open a ticket if there isn't already one for that |
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| 03:02.03 | umccullough | it just seems like this is a constant issue for second-year users |
| 03:02.17 | olly | i think the requirement to run on app engine is one of the obstacles to doing some things |
| 03:02.26 | olly | if it doesn't fit with app engine it's hard to do |
| 03:03.16 | olly | i can see why google want it running on their infrastructure though, and that app engine is a sane way to achieve that while allowing non-googlers to work on it |
| 03:03.57 | umccullough | i don't know much about app engine, so i'll take your word for it :) |
| 03:04.09 | umccullough | i'm guessing there are still a very limited number of people who can push updates to production |
| 03:04.32 | olly | me neither - but I've filed and commented on quite a lot of melange tickets |
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| 03:24.48 | CarlFK | ok... how do I create a new profile? |
| 03:25.17 | CarlFK | oh.. back here. |
| 03:25.50 | CarlFK | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2015 |
| 03:26.27 | CarlFK | I think this is the username that needs to be unique across each year? |
| 03:27.16 | olly | i think you already have a username - "carlfk" |
| 03:27.30 | CarlFK | right. but the first field on that form is username |
| 03:27.33 | olly | but i can't see that page, as I have a profile |
| 03:28.03 | olly | not sure - i managed to fill it in but I don't recall that particularly |
| 03:28.10 | olly | I probably just put my username |
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| 03:30.35 | CarlFK | carlfk15 .. "Your profile was saved successfully. " |
| 03:30.38 | CarlFK | yay. |
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| 03:49.02 | tierra | it probably doesn't help that the action button for creating a new profile is near the bottom of the front page, and not anywhere in the menu or header... not to mention it's within subtext under "organizations apply now!", which is probably not what most visitors just looking to get a profile going are looking for |
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| 03:52.13 | tierra | and lastly, the button doesn't contain any action verbs, just: "a profile"... and not something like: "create profile", or "register" |
| 03:52.20 | umccullough | tierra, honestly, i do it ever year without thinking, so i never even notice until other people start complaining ;) |
| 03:52.33 | umccullough | but yeah, it probably deserves some improvement |
| 03:52.39 | umccullough | i don't have time to write up enhancement tickets though |
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| 03:54.30 | tierra | it's something I've known has been a problem for well over 4-5 years, and continues to be, but as olly pointed out, Melange isn't a terribly easy project to checkout, get a testing environment up, learn the framework + language, test changes, and contribute patches to |
| 04:03.28 | olly | i think it's not that hard to spin up a test instance on app engine actually |
| 04:03.56 | olly | but you need to know python, django, etc |
| 04:04.01 | olly | or whatever it uses |
| 04:04.23 | olly | and ISTR there's a CLA, which tends to put people off |
| 04:04.44 | tierra | I seem to recall trying a few years ago, and it's not a simple web app by any means |
| 04:05.19 | tierra | tons of pre-configuration of several confusing settings and such |
| 04:05.29 | tierra | not your typical MVC framework |
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| 04:24.30 | CraigDillabaugh | Can someone please tell me how to set the backup adminstrator for my organization? |
| 04:25.12 | olly | CraigDillabaugh: get them to sign up (if they weren't in gsoc a previous year) |
| 04:25.16 | olly | get them to create a profile |
| 04:25.26 | olly | get them to tell your their user name |
| 04:25.29 | olly | you invite them |
| 04:25.30 | olly | they accept |
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| 04:26.27 | CraigDillabaugh | OK. I've done everything I can, now I need to wait for them to accept. |
| 04:26.42 | CraigDillabaugh | Thanks. |
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| 04:26.58 | olly | you've got ~38 hours so you're probably good |
| 04:27.27 | olly | i think this might catch out some last minute applicants though |
| 04:29.41 | CraigDillabaugh | Yes it might, since until you finish the application you have no idea that the backup needs to confirm! And I still wouldn't without your help. |
| 04:30.58 | olly | it's changed since last year too |
| 04:31.08 | olly | IIRC you just put their username in a text field, or something like that |
| 04:31.22 | olly | and then you had to actually invite and add them once accepted |
| 04:32.05 | olly | the advice has always been not to leave it until the last minute though, as the application can be modified until the deadline |
| 04:34.16 | CraigDillabaugh | Yes, I am glad I didn't wait. I've sent the invititation, so hopefully they confirm soon. |
| 04:35.11 | CraigDillabaugh | Oh, one other question, can I change roles after the submission. My current backup is a fill-in for the time being, but might like to switch to mentor status.. is that possible or are things set in stone once the applicaiton goes in. |
| 04:35.34 | olly | you should be able to |
| 04:36.22 | CraigDillabaugh | Thanks. |
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| 07:33.46 | lwindiagsoc | Hi. My organization is applying for the GSoC this year. Had a query with the Main license part of the form. Can someone help? |
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| 08:11.17 | kblin | lwindiagsoc: so what's the question? |
| 08:15.32 | NikolaiToryzin | kblin: That's an odd type of question. |
| 08:15.41 | NikolaiToryzin | Well, more like unique. |
| 08:22.31 | lwindiagsoc | What Open Source Initiative approved license(s) does your project use? |
| 08:22.32 | lwindiagsoc | This is a field in the proposal that the organisations have to send. I wanted to ask whether this license is the one which is issued to my organisation or the one which will be used in my projects in my ideas list. Like, for example, if I am proposing a project in python language, then it obviously uses the Python license. So do I select that license or which one? Getting a bit confusing here. It would be great if you can tell me what to put in this field |
| 08:23.08 | valorie | we use the GPL |
| 08:23.13 | valorie | for instance |
| 08:23.18 | valorie | (KDE) |
| 08:23.35 | kblin | I don't think it's obvious python code needs to use the python license. most of my python code is GPL :) |
| 08:23.58 | kblin | but basically, if there's a license to most of your organisation's code, which is ist |
| 08:24.03 | kblin | is it |
| 08:24.21 | kblin | needs more coffee |
| 08:24.35 | valorie | I didn't mention LGPL for libraries, for instance, since that is the minority |
| 08:24.53 | kblin | right |
| 08:25.05 | kblin | I think that's for statistics only |
| 08:26.36 | lwindiagsoc | Okay. I'll tell you my side of the story. My organisation is an authorized partner of Red Hat and Cisco, so we have their respective licenses which they have issued to us. Now which of the licenses do I select from the drop down list in my proposal. Thanks in anticipation for your reply. |
| 08:26.56 | kblin | you are an open source organisation, are you |
| 08:26.58 | kblin | ? |
| 08:27.18 | lwindiagsoc | Yes we are. We develop Open Source Projects and train students! |
| 08:29.27 | valorie | so what license will your students put on their work? |
| 08:29.37 | valorie | that is really what the question is asking |
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| 08:36.06 | lwindiagsoc | Okay. |
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| 08:41.33 | kblin | valorie: thanks, that's the wording I was looking for :) |
| 08:42.10 | valorie | :-) |
| 08:42.15 | valorie | shares the coffee |
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| 08:48.09 | kblin | ok, first coffee, then meeting. sounds like a battle plan |
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| 09:06.31 | lwindiagsoc | Okay. Another bit of help from the community. My company does not have any OSI approved license as of now, because all of our development is intra organization and not yet been released in the public. So, how do we apply for an OSI approved license, and is there any chance that we get it before the deadline gets over? Who do we contact and write to? I just found this review process here http://opensource.org/approval , and these are the steps to be follow |
| 09:07.34 | gevaerts | lwindiagsoc: you don't *apply* for an OSI approved license, you *use* one |
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| 09:10.50 | lwindiagsoc | Thanks for the reply gevaerts, I do understand that but in order to get my code public, which I will have to in case of GSoC, I will have to licence it, no? Even if it is an OSI approved license. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm dwelling in this lane for the first time. |
| 09:12.31 | gevaerts | Yes, but licensing your code is something *you* do |
| 09:13.48 | gevaerts | Anyway, I have fairly strong doubts if google is going to consider you "an active and viable open source or free software project" (as stated in the organisation eligibility requirements) if you haven't released any code |
| 09:14.29 | lwindiagsoc | Okay. And to licence mine and my organisation's code, does my organisation not need *any* license of *any* form? |
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| 09:18.47 | lwindiagsoc | And if we do not need any license for it, then can I select the most appropriate license from the drop down list for my proposal? |
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| 09:34.12 | valorie | it is quite foolhardy to consider releasing software with no licence |
| 09:34.21 | valorie | not only is it open to steal |
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| 09:34.34 | valorie | you also leave yourself open to being sued |
| 09:35.03 | valorie | really, this is why the GPL and all those other licenses were created: to protect you and your code |
| 09:35.06 | valorie | please use them |
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| 09:35.47 | lwindiagsoc | Okay, so from the drop down list what do I select? |
| 09:36.45 | valorie | what your org will advise your students to use |
| 09:37.05 | valorie | if you've not thought about that yet, please have a meeting about it before applying |
| 09:37.20 | valorie | a quick and intense meeting |
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| 09:37.47 | lwindiagsoc | Great. Thanks for the answer. We do not have to 'get' any license, right? Just put in the license that we 'recommend' our students to use, right? |
| 09:39.16 | valorie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses |
| 09:39.17 | valorie | recommend or require |
| 09:39.19 | valorie | of course you are not getting a license |
| 09:39.24 | valorie | that .... confusing to me |
| 09:39.47 | valorie | you release code with licenses |
| 09:40.05 | valorie | if your project does not yet have a policy, now is the time to make one |
| 09:40.46 | valorie | here is ours: https://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy |
| 09:41.47 | valorie | in short: GPL version 2 or version 3 or later versions approved by the membership of KDE e.V. [preferred] |
| 09:42.05 | valorie | but we just list GPL from the dropdown |
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| 09:44.47 | lwindiagsoc | Okay. Thanks for the help. One more thing, so since my organisation is participating in GSoC for the first time, I do not have to get the license from anyone, right? All I have to do, is release the code which we will be writing under any OSI approved license which will be best suited. No applications, no nothing. Just releaseing with one. Okay? |
| 09:45.43 | lwindiagsoc | *releasing |
| 09:45.59 | valorie | of course |
| 09:46.10 | valorie | free software is free as in freedom |
| 09:46.23 | lwindiagsoc | Great thing, Valorie. Thanks for all the help! |
| 09:46.33 | valorie | no, if you use other software in there, you have to abide by the licence terms |
| 09:47.02 | valorie | I mean, now |
| 09:47.05 | valorie | not no |
| 09:47.30 | lwindiagsoc | Of course, we will do that :) |
| 09:48.08 | valorie | always good to see new projects get going |
| 09:48.19 | valorie | we change the world, bit by bit |
| 09:48.36 | never_say_never | lwindiagsoc: may we know your org name ? |
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| 09:52.57 | lwindiagsoc | It goes by the name of India Wall Street |
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| 10:36.03 | foobarbaz | Is there any way to get qualified feedback whether my current status will allow me to participate in the GSOC as a student? |
| 10:36.08 | foobarbaz | I do not really understand the concept behind the clause "Google defines a student as an individual [...] accepted into an accredited institution [...]". I guess this is supposed to allow students who are just about to start studying to participate, right? |
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| 10:38.24 | valorie | yes |
| 10:38.41 | valorie | they must be accepted into college before they can apply |
| 10:38.57 | valorie | well, by the deadline |
| 10:39.28 | valorie | paperwork stating that is part of your application |
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| 10:41.50 | foobarbaz | I intend to start studying immediately after GSOC, so during fall, as everybody else in Germany finishing prep school does. However, we cannot apply at public universities before June, only private univerisities allow prior enrollment. So how are we supposed to proof it? |
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| 10:43.10 | valorie | not every person is eligible, foobarbaz |
| 10:43.46 | valorie | it sounds as though you may have to wait a year |
| 10:44.09 | valorie | many students in england have nearly the same situation |
| 10:44.46 | valorie | the GSoC admins try to set the limits so that most students will be eligible, but it's not possible to get them all in |
| 10:45.20 | gevaerts | The thing with gsoc is that it's global and run by relatively few people. It's *very* hard to make rules that are seen as fair by everyone without making per-country rules, and that's just not possible |
| 10:45.37 | valorie | there may be other programs you can apply for, in Germany |
| 10:46.28 | foobarbaz | I do understand that it is difficult and yes, there seems to be no alternative. |
| 10:46.29 | foobarbaz | I could apply at a private univerity, get my documents and drop the position afterwards so I can apply at a public university. Just to participate in GSOC. |
| 10:46.41 | foobarbaz | That does not sound right |
| 10:47.03 | valorie | probably best to find an alternative way to spend your summer |
| 10:47.23 | valorie | if you don't need the money, most FOSS orgs want you |
| 10:47.25 | |Kev| | Maybe contribute to some OSS without a stipend. Can only help you if you want to participate in GSoC in future years (Google allowing, etc.) |
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| 10:48.00 | |Kev| | And has the advantage of making you a) more employable and b) smarter by exposure to different ideas/environments |
| 10:48.27 | [qed] | hello, iâm trying to register my organization and submit a proposal, but cannot find links to do this on the google-melange site, can anyone provide some assistance with this? |
| 10:48.51 | |Kev| | [qed]: The links are there on the homepage. Dead centre :) |
| 10:49.10 | valorie | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015 |
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| 10:49.13 | [qed] | yes, i clicked log in |
| 10:49.15 | valorie | right there |
| 10:49.18 | [qed] | and i filled out the profile |
| 10:49.23 | [qed] | i dont see a place to submit a proposal |
| 10:49.30 | valorie | then go back to the homepage |
| 10:49.31 | |Kev| | Then go back to the homepage and it'll be dead-centre again. |
| 10:49.38 | valorie | and it will offer you new alternatives |
| 10:50.17 | valorie | it nags ME to upload my logo |
| 10:50.24 | valorie | :-) |
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| 10:50.34 | valorie | logs off instead |
| 10:50.52 | [qed] | i see, thanks |
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| 11:15.53 | foobarbaz | Recently, kblin said that it might be possible to become eligible as a student of a prep school (my university won't confirm my status as a student until June). Is there any qualified answer to that? |
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| 11:21.04 | |Kev| | foobarbaz: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a and https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#3._Is_my_school_%3Faccredited%3F |
| 11:21.52 | DroidLogician | I have a question about Proof of Enrollment. I don't have an ID card yet but I do have a letter from the school saying I am accepted, but it is conditional which appears to mean just getting my paperwork and testing done on time |
| 11:22.06 | DroidLogician | is that acceptable proof of enrollment? |
| 11:22.30 | foobarbaz | DroidLogician: Just because I am interested: Which country? |
| 11:22.36 | DroidLogician | United States |
| 11:22.50 | DroidLogician | it's a state school, everything is official |
| 11:23.07 | |Kev| | I believe that conditional offers aren't sufficient - that you actually need to be enrolled. |
| 11:23.12 | |Kev| | You don't have to have started, though. |
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| 11:23.28 | |Kev| | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#7._I_have_been_accepted_into_an |
| 11:23.30 | foobarbaz | Think that was a topic recently, many students (including myself) have the same problem |
| 11:24.01 | |Kev| | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment says accepted is enough. |
| 11:24.18 | DroidLogician | it also says just to go ahead and submit it and not bother anyone about it haha |
| 11:24.29 | foobarbaz | I won't get an unconditional position until June, so I am not eligible, even if the condition is basically impossible to fail. |
| 11:24.41 | |Kev| | DroidLogician: It doesn't say that. |
| 11:24.42 | DroidLogician | foobarbaz: that's my situation too |
| 11:24.58 | |Kev| | DroidLogician: It says not to bother with whether the document you chose is sufficient. It doesn't say anywhere to just apply whether you're accepted or not. |
| 11:25.22 | DroidLogician | I meant submitting the document as proof of enrollment, not the application itself |
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| 11:26.21 | DroidLogician | however, I haave another question that might be a bit difficult to answer. On the same document they decided it was a good idea to put my student logon info for the school's web portal |
| 11:26.33 | DroidLogician | am I allowed to black that out? |
| 11:26.56 | DroidLogician | it doesn't look like it will actually give anyone access, though |
| 11:27.46 | foobarbaz | DroidLogician: (About your first question:) I followed some similar topics on here, the conclusion seems to be that we have to wait (even though we are students by common sense, we lack the formal confirmation) |
| 11:28.25 | DroidLogician | that sucks, I was really stoked to work on the project I was going to apply for |
| 11:31.04 | foobarbaz | Me too, I spent days talking to people at the university and checking tax laws, health insurance rules etc. |
| 11:32.24 | unicodesnowman | DroidLogician, that info is only sucked w/ google |
| 11:32.29 | unicodesnowman | shared* |
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| 11:32.38 | unicodesnowman | i wouldn't worry about blacking it out. |
| 11:33.00 | DroidLogician | yeah the security concerns are limited, it's only the info needed to create a login, which I assume they wouldn't let you do twice |
| 11:34.21 | unicodesnowman | this doesn't directly answer your question, but in general with document verifications (eg, AML, fraud prevention) I've never encountered an issue watermarking documents |
| 11:34.46 | unicodesnowman | makes the document useless if the service gets hacked and the docs are stolen |
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| 11:58.25 | ESphynx | good morning |
| 11:58.31 | ty221 | good afternoon |
| 11:58.41 | seadog007 | good night |
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| 12:00.09 | DroidLogician | "and in case I don't see ya: good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight!" |
| 12:00.28 | nuwe | how can i get a mentor to take me through the process of particpating in this year's gsoc |
| 12:01.17 | kblin | !studentguide | nuwe |
| 12:01.17 | gsocbot | nuwe: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 12:05.21 | Alex-ander | what is the channel code for Prism model checker? |
| 12:05.28 | Alex-ander | irc channel code* |
| 12:06.37 | kblin | ask google? :) |
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| 12:07.04 | ty221 | hi kblin |
| 12:07.12 | ty221 | can you help me with GCI things? |
| 12:07.43 | Alex-ander | tried, no result |
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| 12:11.29 | kblin | Alex-ander: then maybe they don't use IRC? |
| 12:11.44 | kblin | ty221: maybe, I'm not really involved with GCI |
| 12:12.00 | ty221 | I received certificate with spelling mistake :/ |
| 12:12.03 | ty221 | In my name |
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| 12:12.51 | Alex-ander | how then do i contact them? mail? |
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| 12:23.30 | unicodesnowman | ty221, :o |
| 12:24.06 | unicodesnowman | ty221, email sttaylor ? |
| 12:25.09 | ty221 | unicodesnowman:Done |
| 12:25.12 | ty221 | Waiting for answer |
| 12:25.37 | ty221 | Take a look on that https://www.dropbox.com/s/ozcp6131638xj6p/IMG_0068.JPG?dl=0 |
| 12:26.45 | unicodesnowman | eek |
| 12:27.24 | gevaerts | ty221: you don't like them underscoring your achievement? |
| 12:28.09 | ty221 | gevaerts: ... I like, however I prefer "Å" instead of it |
| 12:28.14 | olly | you could just change your name to match |
| 12:29.40 | ty221 | Yeah |
| 12:29.47 | ty221 | I will write Å in this place |
| 12:29.49 | ty221 | good idea |
| 12:29.51 | ty221 | I like it |
| 12:30.00 | olly | actually, I meant change *your* name |
| 12:30.03 | olly | but that would work too |
| 12:30.12 | unicodesnowman | yeah get your name hanged via deed poll |
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| 12:30.19 | unicodesnowman | changed*' |
| 12:30.26 | olly | pretty sure they'll send you a new certificate though |
| 12:30.41 | unicodesnowman | mhm, issue seems to be their font doesn't have a character for that unicode char. |
| 12:30.51 | unicodesnowman | i wonder what font that is, looks nice. |
| 12:30.53 | gevaerts | Then they picked a bad font |
| 12:30.59 | ty221 | olly: I hope they do so. I asked Stehanie for that already |
| 12:31.26 | gevaerts | ty221: you're not helping matters by skipping a letter in her name! |
| 12:31.55 | unicodesnowman | Ste_hanie* |
| 12:31.57 | ty221 | oh sorry |
| 12:32.01 | ty221 | Stephanie * |
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| 16:50.53 | Gourab | hello |
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| 16:51.58 | kragniz | hello Gourab |
| 16:52.29 | Gourab | When Will The GSOC Of 2015 Take Place/ |
| 16:52.58 | andre___ | !timeline |
| 16:52.59 | gsocbot | andre___: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 |
| 16:53.09 | andre___ | ^ Gourab |
| 16:55.35 | Gourab | Got It! |
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| 17:11.06 | TusharM | Hey guys |
| 17:11.19 | TusharM | Anyone up? |
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| 17:14.09 | kragniz | up to what? |
| 17:15.22 | TusharM | I mean awake |
| 17:15.45 | TusharM | I must say.. I am new to IRCs |
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| 18:23.36 | mspo | can we have more than two admins? |
| 18:24.07 | meflin | yes |
| 18:24.14 | ty221 | Yes |
| 18:24.27 | ty221 | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#4._Can_a_mentoring_organization_have |
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| 18:28.11 | blast007 | ty221: that FAQ entry makes it sound like two administrators is the only number allowed |
| 18:30.51 | ty221 | blast007: No. Question is ". Can a mentoring organization have more than one administrator?" and answer is "Yes, in fact it is required.". There is nowhere written there couldnt be more than two admins. They describe just stndard situation |
| 18:31.55 | blast007 | ty221: the answer keeps saying "a backup administrator" and says "both yourself and that person" |
| 18:32.11 | ty221 | Yeah I told they just describe standard situation |
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| 18:32.26 | ty221 | kblin: Maybe you know what's proper answer here? |
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| 18:33.30 | meflin | you can have more then 2 |
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| 18:34.03 | blast007 | Not saying you can't. Just saying that the answer in the FAQ may be slightly misleading in that regard, |
| 18:34.04 | ty221 | meflin: Are you Google representative? |
| 18:34.20 | meflin | no |
| 18:34.29 | meflin | I have 3 admins last year and this year :P |
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| 18:39.02 | terri | in previous years, you could only have two when the application was first processed due to the limitations of the system. you could always add more admins later. |
| 18:39.13 | terri | this year, I have 3 admins signed up already, so it most definitely works. :) |
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| 19:08.34 | mspo | sounds good. I'll probably just sign number 3 up as a mentor |
| 19:08.39 | mspo | (assuming we get selected) |
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| 20:05.47 | carols | forgot to log into irc this morning |
| 20:05.49 | carols | whoops |
| 20:05.51 | carols | sorry everyone |
| 20:05.58 | carols | hope there were no pressing questions for me |
| 20:07.03 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 20:07.03 | Tamess | I wanted to know what projects I could work on... I am good at java more than c and .net... Could someone suggest some... |
| 20:07.14 | carols | Tamess: well, you mean just in general, right? since the gsoc 2015 orgs havenât been chosen yet |
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| 20:08.44 | Tamess | Yeah just in general... I just wanna start working .... I don't really believe that i can get into gsoc just yet |
| 20:09.27 | meflin | try search the 2014 projects by tag |
| 20:09.44 | sivsushruth | @carols: did rails submit the idea list ? |
| 20:09.47 | carols | Tamess: what meflin said, look through the gsoc 2014 orgs for the topics youâre interested in |
| 20:09.53 | carols | sivsushruth: i donât know? did you ask them? |
| 20:10.19 | sivsushruth | no one from the core seems to be online |
| 20:10.22 | sivsushruth | and others have no idea |
| 20:10.28 | Tamess | Thanks @carols and @meflin |
| 20:10.29 | carols | sivsushruth: thatâs a shame |
| 20:10.32 | carols | Tamess: yw |
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| 20:12.03 | exploreshaifali | carols, if I want to apply for two different projects belonging to same organization than I should submit two applications or one containing stuff for both the projects ? |
| 20:12.18 | carols | exploreshaifali: you would submit a separate proposal for each project idea. |
| 20:13.02 | exploreshaifali | carols, okay, Thanks! but some part of application will be same |
| 20:13.13 | carols | exploreshaifali: thatâs to discuss with the organization |
| 20:13.19 | carols | i donât review proposals, so i canât help you with that |
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| 20:14.03 | exploreshaifali | carols, okay, so you mean no matter what I should submit 2 application |
| 20:14.16 | exploreshaifali | or I should ask that also to the organization |
| 20:14.56 | carols | exploreshaifali: i mean if you are trying to submit two project ideas that is two project proposals. then you said some parts of the app would be the same, and i said thatâs something you need to ask the org about |
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| 20:23.35 | exploreshaifali | carols, if some part of the application will be same, than I should ask to the org about what? |
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| 20:27.16 | jumedina_ | carols: hi! I wanted to ask you for feedback on our ideas page if you have the time, here's the page: http://gsoc2015.scrapinghub.com/ |
| 20:27.24 | carols | exploreshaifali: yes please |
| 20:27.30 | carols | jumedina_: sure, iâll look |
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| 20:28.12 | jumedina_ | we were unsure about separating idea pages per project, but we considered to be more organized this way |
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| 20:28.42 | carols | jumedina_: i have no problem with separating them out, but clearly portia is a lot less fleshed out than scrapy |
| 20:28.55 | carols | if youâre going to have them split out they need to be roughly equivalent in length and depth |
| 20:28.59 | carols | or just combine them |
| 20:29.03 | carols | and then you wonât have that problem |
| 20:29.10 | carols | scrapy looks good, portia looks very weak |
| 20:29.35 | jumedina_ | ok, that makes sense :) we had fewer mentors on portia |
| 20:29.50 | carols | jumedina_: why not just combine them? |
| 20:29.56 | carols | then you donât have to worry about it |
| 20:30.09 | carols | if you go to the trouble of splitting them out they both need to be of equal quality |
| 20:31.07 | jumedina_ | yes, thanks, we'll join them, you're right |
| 20:31.17 | carols | cheers |
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| 20:31.45 | jumedina_ | carols: otherwise the page is ok? don't know if we're missing anything |
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| 20:31.55 | carols | jumedina_: the scrapy ideas page looks good to me |
| 20:32.02 | carols | i donât have any feedback there |
| 20:32.11 | carols | so if you have one page structured like that youâre good |
| 20:32.17 | carols | but right now portia is making you look bad |
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| 20:32.27 | jumedina_ | thanks! :) |
| 20:32.29 | carols | cheers |
| 20:33.02 | jumedina_ | yes, on comparison it looks bad, we're going to join them for sure, thanks again for the feedback! |
| 20:34.06 | carols | yw |
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| 20:48.05 | NikolaiToryzin | carols: ping |
| 20:48.11 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: pong |
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| 20:48.58 | NikolaiToryzin | carols: So, thoughts? https://wiki.tox.im/GSoC/2015/Ideas |
| 20:49.21 | NikolaiToryzin | Spent a good bit of time refining it and making it more friendly so I'd love some last minute feedback :) |
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| 20:50.12 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: looks better |
| 20:50.18 | carols | i still wish it had more easy tasks |
| 20:50.21 | carols | but itâs an improvement |
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| 20:50.42 | NikolaiToryzin | Thanks! I'll see what I can do about that. Any other things that rub you the wrong way at all? |
| 20:52.27 | carols | not that i can see, but keep in mind this is no guarantee of acceptance :-) |
| 20:53.09 | NikolaiToryzin | carols: I know, but I still value your feedback :) |
| 20:53.15 | carols | great |
| 20:53.16 | carols | cheers |
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| 20:54.24 | INOPIAE | Hi carols, may you have a look at this idea page http://wiki.cacert.org/Software/GSoC/2015 |
| 20:54.32 | carols | INOPIAE: sure |
| 20:54.55 | carols | INOPIAE: just two ideas? |
| 20:55.05 | downey | is back from the tea shop with tea to share |
| 20:55.06 | carols | no expected outcomes? |
| 20:55.19 | carols | INOPIAE: and no difficulty levels |
| 20:55.25 | carols | downey: hi, and thanks :-) |
| 20:55.35 | gevaerts | downey: sounds like a great idea! Let's review it :) |
| 20:55.47 | INOPIAE | yes only two ideas. Thanks for your hints. I will work on them. |
| 20:55.53 | downey | in this weather, my standards are low ... as long as it's hot i'll take it |
| 20:56.00 | carols | INOPIAE: cheers |
| 20:56.48 | carols | INOPIAE: even if youâre only anticipating accepting 1 or 2 students, you should have at least 4 or 5 different ideas to give the students some different options to choose from |
| 20:57.57 | INOPIAE | I will discuss it with your folks. |
| 20:58.02 | carols | okay |
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| 20:58.34 | NikolaiToryzin | INOPIAE: Just as a tip, remember that students are free to propose what they want. Your job to to give them ideas and suggestions about ideas they can propose |
| 20:58.58 | NikolaiToryzin | So think of it like guiding them or inspiring them with ideas |
| 20:59.04 | NikolaiToryzin | That's what I do at least |
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| 21:00.13 | kblin | goes to find someone who can read emails |
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| 21:02.07 | BenBE | carols: The expected outcomes are ideas for the implementation of the two mentioned aspects/features in the software. A wishful outcome would be to have a working solution, but anything starting from a basic implementation would be fine for a start. |
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| 21:06.33 | BenBE | NikolaiToryzin: We are quite openwith the projects the students can do, and the current points on our suggestion lists are the most pressing points ATM. |
| 21:08.34 | NikolaiToryzin | BenBE: Try to be more open about your ideas |
| 21:08.43 | NikolaiToryzin | Like, try to be creative |
| 21:09.00 | NikolaiToryzin | Not everyone is capable of doing what might be your most pressing issues |
| 21:10.36 | kblin | to be honest, I think pressing issues might be the wrong projects for gsoc |
| 21:11.49 | kovak | hi carols, would you please take a look at this ideas page: http://kivy.org/docs/gsoc.html |
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| 21:32.10 | carols | kovak: looks fine to me. itâs a bit nitpicky, but it would be nice if you put the easy ideas first |
| 21:32.13 | carols | but itâs fine the way it is |
| 21:33.56 | carols | kblin: good luck finding someone who can read emails, i only know a few of those kinds of people ;-) |
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| 21:43.50 | anth_x | kblin: "to be honest, I think pressing issues might be the wrong projects for gsoc" |
| 21:44.00 | anth_x | it took us a few years to learn that, but I strongly agree. |
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| 21:49.38 | ty221 | I have to leave now. Good night! |
| 21:50.16 | BenBE | NikolaiToryzin: Well, we added another one for UI improvement, plus regarding the second idea (2FA) we are basically open to the suggestions of the students and what they suggest to do there (there are some baselines we'd suggest, but the rest is quite open). |
| 21:54.42 | INOPIAE | As benBE said here the updated ideas page: http://wiki.cacert.org/Software/GSoC/2015 |
| 21:54.43 | BenBE | kblin: Well, pressing issues in the sense of "top on our priority list of things the core developers would like to see added". |
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| 22:19.07 | ESphynx | Would it be good to split ideas per sub-projects, on separate pages? |
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| 22:21.42 | carols | ESphynx: assuming thereâs enough ideas for the sub projects to warrant having their own pages. |
| 22:22.15 | kovak | carols: thank you for the feedback, others have suggested ordering in difficulty order as well and I think we will make this change |
| 22:22.24 | carols | great |
| 22:22.37 | downey | ESphynx: we do that (separate pages per idea) |
| 22:23.04 | downey | make sure there's a good index though :-) |
| 22:23.13 | ESphynx | at least 3 ideas depending on hwo we split it |
| 22:30.35 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 22:31.06 | ESphynx | so deadline is early tomorrow eh? |
| 22:31.11 | anth_x | *sip* |
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| 22:32.11 | carols | ESphynx: early, or late, depending on where you live |
| 22:32.27 | ESphynx | true :P |
| 22:32.44 | downey | oooh time zones |
| 22:33.10 | thiago | carols: heya; no collab summit tea for you this year? |
| 22:33.20 | carols | thiago: not this year, too busy with other stuff |
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| 22:33.41 | thiago | carols: too close to the org deadline, I guess? |
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| 22:33.53 | carols | thiago: indeed |
| 22:33.57 | thiago | too bad |
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| 22:37.42 | BenBE | In the organisation signup form, what's the format for the mailing list field? "email, url" ??? |
| 22:38.06 | carols | BenBE: you can just list the email |
| 22:38.08 | carols | or URL |
| 22:38.12 | carols | whatever you prefer |
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| 22:38.30 | carols | BenBE: if youâre accepted you can change it later if need be |
| 22:38.35 | BenBE | ah, k. That's not obvious from the description below ;-) |
| 22:39.33 | carols | BenBE: please file a bug with melange if itâs a problem |
| 22:42.06 | olly | kovak: one issue you may find with listing easy projects first is that many students seem to read down the list until they find a suitable idea, so the top idea ends up with an insane amount of interest |
| 22:43.05 | olly | we deliberately put a couple of ideas requiring particular skills at the top to avoid that |
| 22:43.30 | olly | when I mentioned it, some other orgs reported the same effect |
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| 22:47.41 | terri | olly: I've seen that problem with easy tasks no matter where on the list they fall, but we mitigated it a fair bit by putting a note at the top telling students they had the best chance of being accepted if they didn't choose the easy ones. |
| 22:48.12 | terri | (Systers had some problem with students who were much too experienced applying for the easy tasks thinking they'd be shoo-ins, when we specifically wanted beginners in some tasks) |
| 22:49.40 | olly | there's certainly a bit of that, but swapping the top made a dramatic difference |
| 22:49.53 | olly | that note sounds a good idea |
| 22:50.44 | terri | yeah, it's basic math. 15 students applying for one easy slot, 2 students applying for one harder slot... sometimes people don't think about how much competition they're facing on the easiest tasks. |
| 22:51.37 | def- | carols: hi. I heard that you can take a look at projects' ideas pages and would appreciate comments on ours: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/wiki/GSoC-2015-Ideas |
| 22:51.47 | carols | def-: sure |
| 22:52.25 | carols | def-: you need expected outcomes for each of these, more easy project ideas, and you need all of the ideas to be completely fleshed out, not just some of then |
| 22:52.27 | carols | *them |
| 22:53.06 | carols | we do in fact look through the whole list of ideas, not just the first ones :-) |
| 22:54.05 | olly | carols: heh, i'm talking about the students, not OSPO |
| 22:54.15 | carols | olly: :-) |
| 22:54.34 | carols | olly: def-âs ideas page gets more sparce as you get towards the bottom |
| 22:54.37 | carols | thatâs what i was commenting on |
| 22:54.58 | olly | oh sorry, i missed that context |
| 22:55.08 | downey | ponders doing a random load of ideas each time |
| 22:55.21 | olly | having looked at quite a lot of other orgs ideas pages, that seems quite a common effect |
| 22:55.30 | carols | we notice it :-) |
| 22:58.09 | CFS-MP3 | carols, any chance you can take a quick look at this ideas page? https://sites.google.com/site/distributedlittleredhen/gsoc2015 |
| 22:58.34 | olly | def-: I would suggest being consistent with whether "desirable skills" is listed first or last in ideas |
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| 22:59.25 | olly | it would making scanning the list for projects matching ones skills easier |
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| 23:01.42 | carols | CFS-MP3: you need potential mentors for each of your ideas, expected outcomes, and generally a lot more flesh for each of them |
| 23:01.47 | carols | a lot of those ideas are really sparce |
| 23:03.27 | CFS-MP3 | Thanks! We'll do all we can to improve this |
| 23:03.32 | carols | cheers |
| 23:03.44 | def- | thanks carols, olly |
| 23:03.50 | carols | yw |
| 23:04.05 | xkons | the googliness is strong with carols |
| 23:09.54 | downey | xkons: so is the tea. |
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| 23:12.02 | carols | is sipping tea right now |
| 23:12.21 | CFS-MP3 | carols, you will not be looking at the ideas page until the 23, right? And a live version, I mean we do have until the 23 to polish it, assuming the application itself have been submitted |
| 23:12.29 | downey | bye kids, off to celebrate the new year ;-) |
| 23:12.42 | carols | CFS-MP3: we start looking at the ideas pages on 20 feb at 19:01 UTC |
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| 23:16.14 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code organization applications are now being accepted! The deadline is 20 Feb at 19:00 UTC: http://goo.gl/MUATWR | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
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| 23:18.25 | downey | imagines a Friday afternoon pizza/review party at ospo |
| 23:18.43 | gevaerts | Anyway, even if you read the bit of the timeline that says revies start on the 23rd, it does *not* say the reviews aren't based on a snapshot from the 20th |
| 23:19.06 | gevaerts | Which I think means the exact time the reviews start is irrelevant |
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| 23:21.21 | carols | gevaerts: what it says is: the deadline is the thing people should care about, as usual :-) |
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| 23:21.51 | gevaerts | carols: sorry, the page that defines deadline fell out of my dictionary years ago :) |
| 23:22.04 | carols | :-) |
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