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| 00:25.13 | sin_star | hi |
| 00:25.37 | sin_star | anyone can provide me more information on using IRC |
| 00:26.02 | DaSpirit | You're doing it. |
| 00:26.18 | quaid | sin_star: something more than e.g. https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ? |
| 00:26.23 | sin_star | i mean more detailed information, any documents or web links would be helpful |
| 00:26.38 | sin_star | Thanks guys ! |
| 00:27.28 | quaid | sin_star: depending on your skills, you may want to look for something for non-experienced users e.g. https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC |
| 00:27.36 | quaid | both of those were from google searches |
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| 16:41.04 | zg | How many hours does a student have to commit to GSOC? |
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| 16:42.12 | Slurpee | zg, think of gsoc as a normal full time job. ~40 hours/week |
| 16:42.17 | Valodim | 500 maybe? |
| 16:42.22 | zg | A week? |
| 16:42.23 | zg | 500? |
| 16:42.26 | Slurpee | (at least, that is what we consider in our org) |
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| 16:43.56 | zg | So, it's kind of like a paid internship. |
| 16:44.00 | zg | Through Google/some company |
| 16:44.12 | Slurpee | zg, yup |
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| 16:44.22 | Slurpee | Plus it is open source ;) |
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| 16:46.06 | iavanish | I haven't yet interacted with any organization and I haven't contributed to any existing open source projects. However, I have made some good projects of my own and made them available on github. Is it possible for me to get selected in GSoc? |
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| 16:46.20 | Valodim | yes |
| 16:47.14 | umccullough | you should start interacting with orgs now, never too early to start |
| 16:47.44 | gsoc806 | <yidnek> same here. I haven't contributed to any Open Source Project and I am new to GSoC. what am I supposed to do now? |
| 16:48.49 | sgallagh | Figure out what your coding strengths are and find an open source project that works with similar technology. |
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| 16:49.20 | sgallagh | Or find an umbrella organization like The Fedora Project or The Apache Software Foundation that has many projects under its name. |
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| 16:50.36 | gsoc806 | do I prepare a proposal based on my ideas or from their idea list? |
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| 16:51.25 | umccullough | either |
| 16:51.29 | sgallagh | Their idea list would be more likely to get a positive response :) |
| 16:51.40 | umccullough | eh |
| 16:51.59 | umccullough | some of our better projects over the years haven't come from our ideas list |
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| 16:52.23 | gsoc806 | what things will the organizations consider in selecting individuals? |
| 16:52.33 | gsoc806 | and what should I do to be selected? |
| 16:52.44 | umccullough | !studentguide | gsoc806 |
| 16:52.44 | gsocbot | gsoc806: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 16:53.37 | gsoc806 | thanks |
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| 17:03.52 | croozeus | !logs |
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| 17:52.59 | simar|on | !logs |
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| 17:57.18 | simar|on | hey folks, what's the process to get credit for a school if you're working on gsoc project over the summer? |
| 17:57.55 | meflin | that would be up to the school |
| 17:58.00 | simar|on | I mean in terms of the documentation, what is possible to send to my school if I wanted to claim credit |
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| 17:58.45 | simar|on | is it a written letter of some sorts that says "this person worked on a gsoc project" |
| 17:59.06 | simar|on | or is it more detailed. and who sends it, google or the mentoring organization? |
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| 18:00.44 | scorche|sh | simar|on: i cannot speak on what the documentation looks like, but there is this: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#2._I_would_like_to_use_the_work_I_did |
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| 18:01.44 | simar|on | yeah thanks scorche|sh , I had read that earlier and it kinda sounded very generic |
| 18:02.24 | meskio | does someone has problems creating a melange account? people told me that use to be a button at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015 that is not anymore there |
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| 18:02.35 | meskio | I'm trying to register as mentor for my organization |
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| 18:04.37 | meflin | the button will return after org selection |
| 18:04.39 | yidne | how much hours of internet connection is needed to participate? |
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| 18:06.29 | yidne | how much hours of internet connection a week is needed to participate? |
| 18:06.48 | meflin | that is no way to answer that question |
| 18:07.03 | meflin | talk to your org about there specific requirements |
| 18:07.05 | terri | yidne: it depends on your mentoring situation, but you want to be able to contact your mentor any time you get stuck, so... as much as possible? |
| 18:08.08 | terri | yidne: I've known of cases where mentor and student do pair programming over the internet, so 40h/week potentially. |
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| 18:09.10 | yidne | terri: I couldn't get 40 hr/week internet connection. |
| 18:09.38 | quaid | I'm continuing to have a problem getting our backup admin loaded in to the org application |
| 18:09.55 | quaid | he was able to make his profile finally, but by then I started getting a new error when trying to do a 'Connection' to him |
| 18:10.24 | terri | yidne: talk to your potential mentoring org, but gsoc may not be the ideal program for you, in that case. Especially for new contributors, access to documentatoin and mentoring is going to be pretty essential. |
| 18:11.40 | quaid | is there anyone here who understands what Melange is supposed to be doing and can help either with the error message or pass me on to someone who can help me munge in the backup admin? |
| 18:11.54 | terri | yidne: once you're a bit more experienced, you won't need as much time, but it's hard to predict. |
| 18:11.58 | yidne | terri: what other programs do u suggest me? |
| 18:12.05 | meskio | meflin: thanks, I'll wait then |
| 18:12.37 | terri | yidne: I know absolutely nothing about you other than that you don't have internet; you'll have to figure out other options on your own. |
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| 18:13.32 | yidne | terri: thanks for your time. |
| 18:13.39 | terri | yidne: but do talk to your mentoring org, they might be able to suggest a project where less contact would work, or find you a mentor close to your time zone so you could do phone calls or something to supplement. |
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| 18:26.28 | quaid | can't believe he missed that his backup admin was supposed in before the application deadline |
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| 18:29.30 | cfelton | terri: do you need anything else from me? I sent the ideas page link a couple days ago? |
| 18:31.13 | anikets95 | cfelton can you repost the link please |
| 18:31.37 | meflin | cfelton: org conversations belong in the org channel not this one |
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| 18:31.53 | cfelton | meflin: thx, sorry about that |
| 18:32.04 | terri | cfelton: as meflin says, #python-gsoc is the place to talk about this. |
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| 18:43.41 | olly | quaid: ask in #melange (but be patient - they often take a while to respond) |
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| 18:47.48 | quaid | olly: ah, ok, thanks |
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| 19:39.26 | nagle5000 | Hi #gsoc! |
| 19:39.44 | nagle5000 | I had a question about seeing if it was viable to send in a last-minute application as a sponsoring organization â |
| 19:40.00 | nagle5000 | I wondered if someone here knew where I could best point that question. |
| 19:40.12 | |Kev| | If you mean 'is it possible to apply as an org after the deadline' the answer's no, as I understand it. |
| 19:40.32 | nagle5000 | [Kev]: that is my question! |
| 19:40.47 | perepujal1 | nagle5000: but you can look for an umbrella organization |
| 19:40.59 | |Kev| | Right. |
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| 19:41.36 | nagle5000 | Oh, thatâs a good thought! |
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| 20:04.06 | ries | perway: aghisla it's a special week :) |
| 20:04.54 | aghisla | hehe I know, I am waiting too to know if my org is accepted :) |
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| 20:11.17 | ries | aghisla: what project are you from? if I may ask.. |
| 20:13.48 | aghisla | from OSGeo, http://www.osgeo.org/, we applied as umbrella organisation for geospatial software. |
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| 20:14.23 | aghisla | and you? |
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| 20:32.48 | ries | aghisla: LibreCAD |
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| 20:33.05 | ries | aghisla: we get a lot of 'geo' srt of requests.. |
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| 20:45.20 | aghisla | ries: yes, there is some overlap, for example QGIS has a CAD plugin; if we get accepted and we get some students interested to CAD projects, I'll redirect them to LibreCAD. |
| 20:45.39 | aghisla | there are also a couple of universities who apply, with focus on CAD/geo topics |
| 20:45.45 | aghisla | let's see |
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| 20:50.48 | ries | aghisla: we mostly get requests about simple mapping |
| 20:50.52 | ries | just draw outlines or paths |
| 20:51.09 | ries | we had one request to connect LibreCAD to a external hardware device for realtime input |
| 20:52.15 | aghisla | I see |
| 20:53.39 | aghisla | if you wish students to discuss these ideas with OSGeo projects, they can join #osgeo or the channels of a specific software project |
| 20:53.58 | sivsushruth | has rails submitted the GSOC idea list ? |
| 20:54.16 | ESphynx | we might have geospatial ideas as well next year :P |
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| 20:55.03 | blast007 | sivsushruth: do you mean their organization application? did you ask them? |
| 20:57.05 | aghisla | ESphynx: good! you are welcome too to the geo-channels :) which org do you represent? |
| 20:57.32 | ESphynx | aghisla: Ecere Corporation... By next year perhaps our GNOSIS SDK ( http://ecere.ca/gnosis/ ) will be open-source :) |
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| 20:57.48 | ESphynx | aghisla: I'm also co-chair of the local Ottawa OS-Geo chapter :) |
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| 21:04.55 | sivsushruth | blast007 Yes, their org application. I asked them, but got no response |
| 21:05.04 | sivsushruth | blast007 do you have any idea on the status ? |
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| 21:06.35 | blast007 | sivsushruth: Nope, I have no idea if they submitted or not. |
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| 21:06.49 | sivsushruth | okay |
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| 21:35.47 | olly | sivsushruth: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/profile/edit/google/gsoc2015/rails suggests they have applied |
| 21:36.13 | olly | (hint: compare the error with http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/profile/edit/google/gsoc2015/railx ) |
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| 21:38.07 | grim_guy | Is it true that students supposed to start their full-time work on projects at the end of the May only? |
| 21:38.10 | grim_guy | Or they have to have 40 hours a week for projects before this date? |
| 21:39.22 | ChristianM | grim_guy: before is community bonding phase, in which the students get in contact with their mentor and community. They can prepare stuff and plan but usually shouldn't code. coding time is pretty limited |
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| 21:42.34 | grim_guy | So, is it ok to try to apply for participation even if I have no 40 hours till the middle of May? (only 20 +- 5) |
| 21:42.57 | gevaerts | Definitely |
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| 21:43.25 | grim_guy | thank you! |
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| 22:46.44 | svetlana | Hello. I was told GSoC does not accept documentation projects. In my view this is not good - writing documentation is a skill needed in the industry, it occasionally involves technical skills, and it improves a student employability and experience after such project is complete. What can we do about this? |
| 22:48.24 | gevaerts | svetlana: I can't speak for google, but I strongly suspect their answer will be that you should run a similar programme focused on documentation then |
| 22:51.06 | thiago | svetlana: I also can't speak for google, but my opinion is that it's up to the projects to decide how much documentationt hey require in their code submissions |
| 22:51.13 | thiago | some projects require quite a lot of it |
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| 22:51.29 | thiago | there's nothing wrong with requiring that as part of a student's GSoC project |
| 22:51.39 | thiago | however, the project can't be *only* about writing docs |
| 22:51.54 | gevaerts | nods |
| 22:52.13 | MatthewWilkes | Also, the GCI programme does have documentation in scope |
| 22:52.49 | MatthewWilkes | But it's up to google to decide how to donate their money, and I'd much rather have them fund 12 weeks of a student coding and no documentation than not funding either coding or documentation |
| 22:52.59 | MatthewWilkes | and no documentation only projects* |
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| 23:12.04 | svetlana | gevaerts, thiago: Who do I contact to suggest running a Google Summer of Documentation? I have a few projects in mind which just need documentation, no code submissions. |
| 23:13.29 | thiago | svetlana: carols |
| 23:13.48 | thiago | you can post to the GSoC mailing list or mail carol directly |
| 23:14.07 | gevaerts | is prepared to bet he knows the answer though |
| 23:16.43 | gevaerts | Although there has been the doc sprint, but I don't know much about that |
| 23:21.58 | downey | svetlana: https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/ is a GSoC-like program that includes documentation projects |
| 23:22.58 | downey | gevaerts: FYI, the doc book sprints were actually organized/run by FLOSSmanuals, but sponsored by Google OSPO |
| 23:23.39 | terri | there's actually an FAQ about documentation: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#12._Are_proposals_for_documentation_work |
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| 23:24.45 | gevaerts | Ah, useful to know! |
| 23:25.48 | olly | svetlana: note that this week is probably your worst option for pestering people at OSPO |
| 23:26.02 | olly | as they will be very busy reviewing a record number of org applications |
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| 23:31.29 | KolibriOS|yogev | olly: It's not a record number, only a second highest. |
| 23:31.42 | KolibriOS|yogev | !numapps |
| 23:31.43 | gsocbot | KolibriOS|yogev: "numapps" is 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 23:31.58 | KolibriOS|yogev | The highest was 417, and this time only 416 |
| 23:33.07 | olly | that's within experimental error |
| 23:33.45 | KolibriOS|yogev | heh |
| 23:35.15 | svetlana | downey: That looks interesting and I will try to use it. But I would like to suggest Google to run such a documentation thing or at least partner with someone, with a shared list of participating organizations where students may do both code and documentation submissions. How may I do so? It worries me that a coding program is run without any documentation requirements or partnering projects. |
| 23:36.39 | KolibriOS|yogev | svetlana: You are not correct, coding+documentation is fine for GSoC. What's not accepted is solely documentation tasks. |
| 23:37.13 | KolibriOS|yogev | svetlana: In fact, most organizations expect students to document the code they write so it can be maintained in the future. |
| 23:38.52 | svetlana | KolibriOS|yogev: not all people are programmers. I would like people to be able to document for either another students' submission or just for a given software regardless of whether anyone is writing code for it right now. |
| 23:39.48 | downey | Documentation is not part of the goals that Google executives have for the program :-) |
| 23:39.55 | svetlana | it is not about documenting the code; it is about documenting the software for end users. |
| 23:40.15 | svetlana | I would like to contact these executives. How do I do so? |
| 23:40.26 | KolibriOS|yogev | svetlana: You are welcome to do voluntary documentation work for any open-source organization - most of them would be very grateful to you. |
| 23:40.32 | svetlana | I am. |
| 23:41.40 | terri | svetlana: The director of the open source programs office at Google is Chris DiBona. I'm sure a bit of googling will find his contact info. |
| 23:41.47 | KolibriOS|yogev | svetlana: Then what's the problem, if you are already doing it? |
| 23:41.56 | terri | I don't think google has any interest in such a program at this time and you're likely wasting your time, though. |
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| 23:44.47 | svetlana | ta |
| 23:45.29 | terri | I feel like there was a big push for documentation, but it wasn't google's program. can't remember whose. mozilla? linux foundation? |
| 23:45.56 | svetlana | KolibriOS|yogev: I can't do it for everyone. There is a specific project writing documentation for which is outside of my depth due to the technical skill it requires (they'd like generated documentation but I don't know how to do it) and it's simply a lot of documentation to write. |
| 23:46.09 | svetlana | terri: would be glad to hear if you find it :) |
| 23:46.22 | downey | svetlana: The goal for getting students to write *code* during the summer came directly from Larry Page the CEO of Google. :-) |
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| 23:46.53 | terri | svetlana: I'm not going to look, but you might wnat to do some searching yourself |
| 23:57.55 | svetlana | I will look, thanks. I just started with gsoc and (probably wrongly) I am trying to do one thing at a time. |
| 23:57.57 | svetlana | thanks all. |
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