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| 01:18.38 | Serenity_ | hello ther |
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| 01:19.07 | Serenity_ | have a question |
| 01:19.22 | meflin | just ask |
| 01:19.53 | Serenity_ | I wanted to register as early as possible can I do it now or I have to wait until March 3? |
| 01:20.08 | Serenity_ | and i did :) |
| 01:20.25 | meflin | student or mentor? |
| 01:20.47 | Serenity_ | student ... I know it is march 3 for registration |
| 01:21.11 | Serenity_ | do i have to wait ? |
| 01:21.23 | meflin | check the timeline I think the 16th is the opening |
| 01:21.35 | mmnumbp | ^ |
| 01:21.38 | mmnumbp | it is |
| 01:22.12 | Serenity_ | It is march 16 |
| 01:22.17 | Serenity_ | so I have to wait ? |
| 01:22.31 | meflin | wait |
| 01:22.36 | Serenity_ | then I will be waiting :) |
| 01:22.49 | meflin | no reason not to get involed now tho |
| 01:22.51 | Serenity_ | @meflin thanks for confirming |
| 01:22.54 | meflin | fix some bugs |
| 01:23.02 | Serenity_ | what bugs |
| 01:23.16 | Serenity_ | meflin |
| 01:23.20 | Serenity_ | listen |
| 01:23.22 | meflin | your projects bugs |
| 01:23.44 | Serenity_ | I don't have a project yet |
| 01:23.48 | Serenity_ | should I have one? |
| 01:24.03 | meflin | yes! go find one |
| 01:24.27 | Serenity_ | All I am doing is reviewing everything now |
| 01:24.45 | meflin | keep doing that find something intersting |
| 01:24.57 | mmnumbp | look at the list of organizations |
| 01:25.02 | mmnumbp | it was just released today |
| 01:25.15 | Serenity_ | I did and I guess I found one for myself |
| 01:25.54 | mmnumbp | what he's saying then is to get involved with that organization's project |
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| 01:27.36 | Serenity_ | Organizations have TAGs .. does it mean future projects will be based on them ? |
| 01:27.48 | meflin | not always |
| 01:27.48 | Serenity_ | meaning programming languages ?> |
| 01:28.02 | Serenity_ | why ? |
| 01:28.24 | meflin | sometimes there are minor parts that are complete and those now longer nead gsoc level work |
| 01:28.40 | Serenity_ | can you tell me how it works briefly ? @meflin |
| 01:28.44 | meflin | and any given year perhaps this part is not needing work but that part is |
| 01:28.53 | s0h3ck | Serenity_: not necessary |
| 01:28.55 | meflin | Serenity_: no each org is different |
| 01:29.17 | meflin | each stage in a projects life cycle is different as well |
| 01:30.12 | meflin | as an example ... we did not have and needed a web front end .... our gsoc project delivered that .... the rest of the things needed the work later |
| 01:30.31 | Serenity_ | mentors will help us with projects am I right ? I didn't mean actually coding for us but overall they will explain or at least to talk about topic ...am I right ? |
| 01:30.40 | meflin | yes |
| 01:31.13 | Serenity_ | @meflin you are so fast with answers I guess you see me typing :) |
| 01:31.25 | Serenity_ | many thanks |
| 01:31.42 | Serenity_ | and have a good night :-) |
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| 01:32.06 | Serenity_ | @meflin bye for now |
| 01:32.06 | meflin | Serenity_: mostly I'm bored and my roast is in the oven ... out soon you just got lucky |
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| 01:32.38 | Serenity_ | did I ? |
| 01:33.13 | meflin | lots of old hands here ... so .. perhaps hard to say when ppl are online with time |
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| 01:37.11 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code student applications will open on 16 March at 19:00 UTC | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
| 01:37.23 | meflin | I've done china , india, ukrain, brazill ( not to bad ) and on and on |
| 01:37.34 | vin-ivar | haha |
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| 01:37.38 | Serenity_ | Oh by the way, you made me ask |
| 01:37.38 | vin-ivar | time zones |
| 01:37.40 | vin-ivar | are a bitch |
| 01:37.49 | meflin | vin-ivar: yep fun fun ;) |
| 01:38.03 | Serenity_ | how about time differences with mentor and project deadline ? |
| 01:38.10 | meflin | stares at his tea and hopes to wake up to answer the question |
| 01:38.18 | Serenity_ | Do we have a time to follow ? |
| 01:38.22 | meflin | deadlines are given in UTC |
| 01:38.34 | meflin | UTC is the same world around |
| 01:39.03 | meflin | err isn't that UCT ? |
| 01:39.16 | vin-ivar | nope |
| 01:39.17 | vin-ivar | UTC |
| 01:39.19 | Serenity_ | link pleaseeeeee |
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| 01:39.31 | Serenity_ | now it make sense lol :) |
| 01:39.41 | Serenity_ | I guess you need cofeeeeee |
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| 01:39.55 | meflin | http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboututc.html |
| 01:40.31 | Serenity_ | enjoy cofeeeeee :) |
| 01:40.48 | Serenity_ | isn't it early feel sleepy lol ? |
| 01:40.53 | meflin | web sights can help you out and on a unix system use "date -u" |
| 01:40.58 | Serenity_ | hey, joking :) |
| 01:41.05 | Serenity_ | thank you ok ? |
| 01:41.44 | meflin | this is how thousands of ppl all across the world show up on time ;) |
| 01:41.46 | Serenity_ | I wish I could ask your help on a unix lol |
| 01:42.02 | Serenity_ | I faved it |
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| 01:42.38 | meflin | might work on windows who knows I've not seen it since win95 |
| 01:42.59 | Serenity_ | hey, meflin will you be here all the time? |
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| 01:43.11 | mmnumbp | lol, no |
| 01:43.17 | meflin | my client is here all the time .... not I |
| 01:43.18 | mmnumbp | meflin, it sets the date on windows |
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| 01:43.45 | Serenity_ | ok thanks anyway |
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| 01:43.55 | meflin | if you need some tips .. if I am in a good mood I might |
| 01:44.25 | Serenity_ | you might what ? lol |
| 01:44.32 | meflin | give you some tips |
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| 01:44.41 | meflin | now if I am in a bad mood ... :D |
| 01:44.46 | Serenity_ | hah interesting lol |
| 01:44.58 | mmnumbp | bad tips when you're in a bad mood? |
| 01:45.03 | Serenity_ | no thanks I like handle things by myself :) |
| 01:45.12 | mmnumbp | waow |
| 01:45.20 | meflin | mmnumbp: more like a lot of searing |
| 01:45.32 | Serenity_ | however, if I need your help if I am in a good mood I might ... |
| 01:45.41 | meflin | heh nice |
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| 01:45.55 | Serenity_ | to be continued ... |
| 01:46.15 | Serenity_ | ok, I meant I might ask lol |
| 01:46.51 | Serenity_ | say hello to your client who will be always here instead of you :) |
| 01:46.58 | olly | Serenity_: do you know what "lol" actually means? |
| 01:47.07 | Serenity_ | I know |
| 01:47.25 | Serenity_ | Laughing Out Loud |
| 01:47.35 | adam_vollrath | I don't what does it mean? |
| 01:47.38 | Serenity_ | I am just in a good mood :) |
| 01:47.44 | olly | i see |
| 01:48.40 | Serenity_ | hey, you asked I answered now your turn :) |
| 01:48.43 | mmnumbp | lol does it annoy you olly? lol |
| 01:49.19 | Serenity_ | sorry guys didn't mean to annoy anybody here :) |
| 01:49.22 | meflin | it can if your are not LOL's |
| 01:49.23 | olly | mmnumbp: no, but it paints a picture of someone laughing manically as they bash away at their keyboard |
| 01:49.26 | s0h3ck | Is there a limit for proposal ? |
| 01:49.34 | mmnumbp | hah |
| 01:49.52 | meflin | s0h3ck: yes see the timeline ... I sugest sooner rather then later |
| 01:50.15 | s0h3ck | no, I mean limit by number, like 1, 2, 3, ^^ |
| 01:50.26 | olly | s0h3ck: as the FAQ says, 5 |
| 01:50.46 | meflin | i think 5 ... but limit your submissions on the basis of quality .. more low qualitys==fail .. quality first |
| 01:50.52 | olly | but 1 or 2 is a better goal |
| 01:51.00 | olly | even 1 good proposal is a significant amount of work |
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| 01:51.17 | olly | if you're hammering out 5, they'll not be as good as those from students submitting 1 or 2 |
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| 01:51.28 | s0h3ck | Yes, of course, I spotted 3 orgs that I have skill :D |
| 01:51.29 | olly | gsoc's not a lottery, so more "tickets" won't help |
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| 01:51.39 | s0h3ck | (and interest ;)) |
| 01:51.42 | meflin | quality helps |
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| 01:52.22 | s0h3ck | olly: Yes, I know. Be realistic as I a guy told me. |
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| 01:52.34 | Serenity_ | meflin, does it you can spot different organizations? |
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| 01:52.55 | meflin | Serenity_: that does not parse try again |
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| 01:53.29 | Serenity_ | guess just got confused |
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| 01:55.51 | s0h3ck | Do we have to declare our proposal to both of you, I mean orgs + google ? |
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| 01:56.25 | meflin | no .. but you should at least tell orgs you did so |
| 01:56.38 | s0h3ck | lol |
| 01:56.44 | s0h3ck | of course ;) |
| 01:56.50 | Serenity_ | I meant I want to choose 1 organization ... |
| 01:57.33 | Serenity_ | does it mean to pick some give more chance to be accepted ? |
| 01:57.48 | Serenity_ | @meflin |
| 01:58.06 | s0h3ck | meflin: Oh! thanks, I understand something very clear :) |
| 01:58.08 | meflin | quality is the key thing not quanity |
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| 01:58.33 | Serenity_ | see ? we share the same opinion :) |
| 01:58.35 | terri | the highest chance of being accepted comes from working closely with an org to craft a proposal that meets their needs |
| 01:58.53 | s0h3ck | Serenity_: And most importantly, prove you can do it and you have the skills to do it :) |
| 01:58.59 | thiago | I do recommend submitting more than one idea, just in case someone else submitted a better project on the same idea |
| 01:59.12 | thiago | but aside from that, you should write a good proposal that is in-line with what the org expects |
| 01:59.22 | s0h3ck | thiago: I will submit 2 or 3 proposal ;) |
| 01:59.41 | meflin | 2 max IMO |
| 01:59.51 | s0h3ck | not 5 ? |
| 02:00.07 | meflin | 5 ... heh laffing up a storm |
| 02:00.30 | Serenity_ | will visit this place again when I have questions and hope you will be again in a good mood to answer :) |
| 02:00.36 | Serenity_ | bye bye @meflin |
| 02:01.08 | terri | 2 is a good number. Also, submit them *early* becuase sometimes the orgs can help guide you if you and another student have similar projects but they'd like to hire both of you. |
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| 02:02.14 | s0h3ck | terri: Yes, good point too. |
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| 02:04.11 | meflin | it also helps to bond up and get up to speed |
| 02:04.27 | NikolaiToryzin | We actually encourage people to submit them early. |
| 02:04.51 | vin-ivar | isn't it already rather late? |
| 02:05.03 | meflin | no |
| 02:05.10 | s0h3ck | vin-ivar: no |
| 02:05.27 | NikolaiToryzin | It's 6 pm hee |
| 02:05.28 | s0h3ck | vin-ivar: Some orgs, yes, but the most majority, nope. |
| 02:05.32 | NikolaiToryzin | OH |
| 02:05.37 | vin-ivar | I see |
| 02:05.37 | NikolaiToryzin | gosh I'm dumb |
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| 02:05.53 | adam_vollrath | !next |
| 02:05.54 | gsocbot | adam_vollrath: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
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| 02:14.41 | s0h3ck | Can I ask a question about a specific org ? |
| 02:17.08 | vin-ivar | it'd be better to ask on their IRC, maybw |
| 02:17.13 | vin-ivar | maybe* |
| 02:18.26 | s0h3ck | It's about Google ^^ |
| 02:18.48 | s0h3ck | So, am I in the right IRC ? lol |
| 02:18.58 | vin-ivar | haha |
| 02:19.15 | s0h3ck | I just don't know what is "Google Open Source Programs Office" ^^ |
| 02:19.29 | s0h3ck | Is it just a reminder ? |
| 02:20.27 | dfighter | no, it's an actual org |
| 02:20.32 | dfighter | it's Google |
| 02:20.37 | s0h3ck | :D |
| 02:20.56 | dfighter | if you have a great idea, but no org, then you can try them |
| 02:21.21 | s0h3ck | Oh... this is great too :) |
| 02:21.43 | s0h3ck | It's a great opportunity to add your own idea. |
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| 02:22.46 | s0h3ck | But, as I read, it's a little bit more "risky". |
| 02:23.05 | dfighter | it also has to be academic |
| 02:23.10 | dfighter | and you need to have an advisor |
| 02:23.13 | dfighter | according to the faq |
| 02:24.10 | s0h3ck | yep, no problem about that... I just don't like this sentence : "Your proposal should describe who you'd like to oversee your work and include detailed contact information for your proposed mentor." What if I have no other who can review my work ? lol |
| 02:24.53 | vin-ivar | you make somebody |
| 02:25.02 | vin-ivar | use clay |
| 02:25.17 | s0h3ck | hahaha |
| 02:25.18 | dfighter | well you said it's not a problem to have an advisor |
| 02:25.24 | dfighter | obviously your advisor can review it |
| 02:26.22 | s0h3ck | I will keep my idea for next year... it will be better that way ;) |
| 02:26.44 | dfighter | if you say so |
| 02:26.53 | sfasdfsdfas | so can we now discuss with potential mentors and apply to join a project or do I wait for student applications ? |
| 02:27.25 | s0h3ck | As it's my first time, I will do as the orgs said and do a professional proposal ;) |
| 02:27.38 | mmnumbp | my first time too |
| 02:27.44 | dfighter | sfasdfsdfas, error: contradiction in question |
| 02:28.00 | s0h3ck | sfasdfsdfas: yep, better to start contact with the orgs right now :D |
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| 02:35.00 | mike5w3c | well, my org (W3C) got rejected |
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| 02:35.11 | mike5w3c | as did Mozilla, I'm told |
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| 02:35.23 | mike5w3c | disappointing |
| 02:36.15 | mike5w3c | I guess we'll need to start our own Web Platform Summer of Code instead of remaining at the whims of whoever at Google makes decision about this stuff |
| 02:37.10 | s0h3ck | mike5w3c: I'm guessing the complaints office is friday ;) |
| 02:37.36 | mike5w3c | s0h3ck: friday? |
| 02:37.46 | mike5w3c | I'm not complaining |
| 02:37.55 | dfighter | he means the rejection meeting |
| 02:38.00 | mike5w3c | ah |
| 02:38.10 | mike5w3c | didn't know there was a rejection meeting |
| 02:38.31 | sfasdfsdfas | w3c isnt really that important |
| 02:38.31 | mike5w3c | well I don't think anybody's got a right to complain about being rejected |
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| 02:38.49 | dfighter | it's not about complaining |
| 02:38.53 | sfasdfsdfas | (incoming shitstorm) |
| 02:39.06 | mike5w3c | sfasdfsdfas: :-) |
| 02:39.06 | dfighter | it's about Carol telling orgs what went wrong |
| 02:39.11 | mike5w3c | ah ok |
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| 02:39.23 | mike5w3c | I will try to attend that if I'm allowed |
| 02:39.25 | dfighter | at least it's been like that the past few years |
| 02:39.40 | dfighter | it's here |
| 02:39.44 | dfighter | so yes you are allowed |
| 02:39.46 | mike5w3c | my boss Philippe Le Hegarat is actually the principal contact for W3C |
| 02:39.47 | dfighter | everyone is |
| 02:39.51 | mike5w3c | dfighter: ah cool, great |
| 02:40.00 | dfighter | altough usually the channel is muted |
| 02:40.37 | dfighter | the orgs line up, and get the voice one by one |
| 02:40.46 | dfighter | so there's no chaos and shitstorm |
| 02:41.06 | scorche | yup |
| 02:41.28 | mike5w3c | well I think for what we want to do, which is very focused work on code for testing infrastructure for testing browser conformance to requirements in Web-platform specs, we and Mozilla and others could (should) really start our own self-reliant effort to recruit student coders to help |
| 02:41.40 | mike5w3c | dfighter: sounds good |
| 02:42.08 | olly | mike5w3c: the rejection email contains details of that meeting |
| 02:42.14 | dfighter | mike5w3c, yes you should probably do that |
| 02:42.30 | mike5w3c | olly: ok, will ping Philippe about it |
| 02:42.57 | olly | but it's here at 16:00 UTC on March 6th |
| 02:43.16 | mike5w3c | dfighter: yeah we are already working closely with Mozilla on web-platform testing stuff, so a student-recruitment piece would fit right into it |
| 02:43.25 | mike5w3c | olly: ok |
| 02:45.01 | mike5w3c | btw fwiw https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests is the core work we're doingã¼the actual test suiteã¼and https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner and https://github.com/w3c/testharness.js are the main infrastructure bits |
| 02:45.15 | _5paceManSpiff | hello everyone! I was wondering if my student proposal could center around an open source project I started with a couple people about two weeks ago |
| 02:45.25 | mike5w3c | olly: I'll also ask my Mozilla friends to join here |
| 02:46.03 | _5paceManSpiff | I was looking through the studen application guidelines and I just wanted to verify that other people outside gsoc could work on the project too |
| 02:46.26 | olly | _5paceManSpiff: it's unlikely you'd find an org interested anyway |
| 02:46.38 | olly | but the FAQ clearly says no group projects |
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| 02:47.02 | _5paceManSpiff | olly: oops, sorry about that. why would it be unlikely to find an org interested? |
| 02:47.51 | olly | they generally have their own existing codebases to work on |
| 02:48.17 | olly | and the umbrella orgs will look for a track records from subprojects |
| 02:48.58 | _5paceManSpiff | olly: the faq seems to say that a group can't apply to work on a project, not that an individual can't apply to work on a project also being worked on by others outside the gsoc program |
| 02:49.22 | olly | the proposed project needs to be clearly the work of the student |
| 02:49.46 | meflin | mike5w3c: you are complaining .. .about not getting free moneys |
| 02:50.01 | vin-ivar | the fuck is free moneys |
| 02:50.16 | dfighter | wow |
| 02:50.17 | _5paceManSpiff | ah, my role in the project can be seperated as an individual component, so it's worth a shot |
| 02:50.22 | meflin | vin-ivar: let me know when you have millions to spare :P |
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| 03:04.11 | s0h3ck | Thanks again and good night all ;) |
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| 03:31.03 | ythej | Why Mozilla isn't in the orgs list ? |
| 03:31.33 | ythej | Its gonna be final list or there is a chance that mozilla can enter later? |
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| 03:41.06 | Niharika | !logs |
| 03:41.06 | gsocbot | Niharika: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 03:41.29 | ythej | Niharika, hi :) |
| 03:41.42 | ythej | Niharika, Why Mozilla isn't in the orgs list ? |
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| 03:41.49 | Niharika | Hello, ythej. |
| 03:41.52 | Niharika | How would I know? |
| 03:42.04 | Niharika | Did they apply? |
| 03:42.57 | ythej | Niharika, I know that they applied ! |
| 03:43.13 | ythej | Niharika, I couldn't see in the orgs list ! |
| 03:43.53 | Niharika | ythej: That is definitely strange. We'll come to know more about it in the upcoming meeting, I suppose. |
| 03:44.00 | Niharika | !next |
| 03:44.01 | gsocbot | Niharika: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
| 03:45.10 | ythej | Niharika, any chance to get mozilla accepted ? |
| 03:46.02 | Niharika | ythej: I am not affiliated to Mozilla or Google. :) I have no idea. You'd be better off picking another org and getting familiar with it. |
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| 03:52.09 | kovak | the org list is final |
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| 03:53.03 | ythej | kovak, why isn't mozilla selected ? |
| 03:53.43 | ythej | kovak, isn't there a single chance? |
| 03:54.44 | kovak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.18 | ythej | kovak, okay |
| 03:56.00 | olly | ythej: you're not going to get an answer you like more by asking over and over |
| 03:56.53 | ythej | olly, I little tensed :) |
| 03:57.24 | kovak | every year google must select from more orgs than it will admit, their reasoning is up to them, and the moderators would prefer we do not fill this chat with pointless discussion |
| 03:58.24 | ythej | kovak, olly sorry everyone :) |
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| 03:59.01 | kovak | it is ok some who have been here all day may just be fatigued from tackling this same question |
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| 04:42.43 | gsoc351 | Hi, is Mozilla not accepted for GSOC 15? |
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| 04:45.11 | downey | gsoc351: see the list at google-melange.com |
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| 04:58.33 | jaympatel1893 | is this IRC organization specific or in general? |
| 04:59.04 | thiago | general |
| 04:59.14 | jaympatel1893 | thanx |
| 04:59.19 | jaympatel1893 | thiago |
| 04:59.35 | edunham | it's specific to discussion of gsoc, but not to any one project |
| 04:59.53 | jaympatel1893 | how can I know a mentor of organization is present? |
| 05:00.12 | thiago | do you know their nickname? |
| 05:00.16 | jaympatel1893 | I am interested in opencv |
| 05:00.28 | thiago | the best place to find opencv mentors is in opencv's chanenl |
| 05:00.29 | edunham | the best way to find a particular organization's mentor would be to look at that organization's page and find their irc channel |
| 05:00.30 | thiago | channel |
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| 05:00.44 | edunham | org pages http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 05:00.44 | jaympatel1893 | ohh, got that! |
| 05:00.49 | jaympatel1893 | thanx a lot all |
| 05:01.23 | edunham | jaympatel1893: if you read their application, you can probably find the specific names or IRC handles of the people interested in mentoring |
| 05:01.30 | edunham | so you'll know who to ask once you find their channel |
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| 05:01.54 | jaympatel1893 | ohh nice Idea! |
| 05:02.18 | jaympatel1893 | by the way, you started anything or got interest in any org? @edunham |
| 05:03.01 | edunham | err? I'm interested in many of the orgs -- that's why I idle here to help out -- but I'm not applying as a student nor mentor this year |
| 05:03.55 | jaympatel1893 | Oh thats nice of you! You are a student or professional? |
| 05:05.06 | edunham | yes |
| 05:05.32 | edunham | (last year of university, been working as a sysadmin various places for the past 4yrs) |
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| 05:06.17 | jaympatel1893 | Wohoo awesome! |
| 05:06.42 | jaympatel1893 | It was nice talking to you, and getting a hold of IRC was a new experience! |
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| 06:36.50 | kapy | ?? |
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| 06:39.26 | valorie | kapy: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
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| 07:14.58 | tbr | hmm, I seem to be blind and not awake. Wasn't there something that when accepted you also get told how many slots/students you have? Or does that get decided later? |
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| 07:18.32 | olly | tbr: later |
| 07:18.33 | valorie | tbr: later, yes - each org requests the slots they think they need/want |
| 07:18.47 | valorie | and then they are told the number later |
| 07:18.49 | tbr | ah, ok, thanks |
| 07:18.55 | olly | after students have applied in fact |
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| 07:19.33 | tbr | while xiph.org was part of gsoc a few times, it's my first time as mentor (and part time admin) |
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| 07:24.04 | valorie | tbr, there is an excellent mentor handbook along with the one for the students |
| 07:24.38 | tbr | valorie: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 08:09.45 | srl__ | Hi guys |
| 08:09.53 | fkholmukhamedov | Hi |
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| 08:18.37 | weirdo | <fkholmukhamedov>Hi |
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| 08:26.41 | fkholmukhamedov | @weirdo, hi! What's up man? |
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| 08:39.06 | amir_gsoc | hi |
| 08:39.36 | amir_gsoc | May i know how to talk to specific java open source organisations > |
| 08:39.39 | amir_gsoc | ? |
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| 08:40.08 | amir_gsoc | hi PenguiRaider |
| 08:40.08 | amir_gsoc | ? |
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| 08:42.05 | munron | amir_gsoc: I suggest you look at OpenMRS, www.openmrs.org, irc: #openmrs |
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| 08:43.27 | munron | amir_gsoc: https://wiki.openmrs.org/plugins/servlet/mobile#content/view/79665365 |
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| 08:54.05 | munron | Hi, any students interested in python, plone, android developed & laboratory system checkout Bika Labs GSoC page: |
| 08:54.09 | munron | https://github.com/bikalabs/Bika-LIMS/wiki/GSoC-2015 |
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| 09:39.06 | ythej | !log |
| 09:39.06 | gsocbot | ythej: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 09:39.27 | ythej | whoami |
| 09:39.29 | cs_shadow | !logs | ythej |
| 09:39.30 | gsocbot | ythej: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 09:39.52 | ythej | cs_shadow, thank you :) |
| 09:40.01 | cs_shadow | ythej: Most welcome |
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| 09:46.46 | gevaerts | munron: this channel isn't for advertising specific organisations |
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| 09:47.07 | munron | Noted, thanks |
| 09:47.25 | munron | My sincere apologies |
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| 09:50.39 | hiren_ | Why did google accept less number of organization for gsoc-2015 than previous year? |
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| 09:54.33 | unicodesnowman | hiren_, 2014 was the 10th year of GSoC and the google OSP team had more funding that year. |
| 09:55.11 | vin-ivar | but this is fewer than 2013 as well |
| 09:55.22 | hiren_ | Yes |
| 09:55.29 | olly | if you want to know, you'll have to ask people from the OSPO |
| 09:55.51 | olly | but if you check the time in California, you'll find now isn't a good time to find them online |
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| 09:57.27 | hiren_ | ð |
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| 09:58.35 | valorie | hiren_: just because there are fewer orgs, does not mean there will be fewer students |
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| 09:58.57 | valorie | they may be encouraging more small orgs to join umbrella orgs |
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| 10:00.12 | hiren_ | valorie: so u think, number of student selected may remain same? |
| 10:00.23 | Tehmas_ | hey guys |
| 10:00.47 | Tehmas_ | This is my first time participating in GSoC. How do you communicate with mentors? |
| 10:01.10 | vin-ivar | carrier pigeon |
| 10:01.13 | vin-ivar | or signal fires |
| 10:01.14 | hiren_ | Find contact detail from idea page |
| 10:01.45 | Tehmas_ | yeah I did. Emailed last night. Haven't got a reply yet. |
| 10:01.47 | Tehmas_ | :/ |
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| 10:05.54 | mishravikas | Tehmas_, its better to write on the mailing list than personal mails |
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| 10:06.55 | Tehmas_ | mishravikas, thanks for reply. Just to make clear. You mean mailing lists like this?: https://github.com/github/gsoc/issues |
| 10:06.59 | darnir | hiren_: We don't yet know how many students Google will allow this year. |
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| 10:07.26 | darnir | Tehmas_: No, a Mailing List. Where you can send an email. You'll find the links on the org's idea page. |
| 10:07.37 | mishravikas | Tehmas_, no its similar to google groups |
| 10:07.55 | mishravikas | Tehmas_, infact many orgs use google groups as their mailing list |
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| 10:08.54 | Tehmas_ | misravikas, on their ideas page they have given the same link to ask about any issue: https://github.com/github/gsoc |
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| 10:11.06 | Tehmas_ | *mishravikas |
| 10:11.30 | mishravikas | Tehmas_, yes in that case you have to use github comments to contact |
| 10:12.08 | Tehmas_ | mishravikas, thanks! |
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| 10:30.28 | kybrdbnd | any mentor from tardis sn |
| 10:30.31 | kybrdbnd | ? |
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| 10:35.53 | darnir | kybrdbnd: This is the general GSoC channel. If you want to connect to mentors you should head to their channels |
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| 10:39.06 | kybrdbnd | but i cant find there channel , can u help me |
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| 10:40.28 | valorie | hiren_: sorry, I was afk |
| 10:40.55 | valorie | I'm just an admin for KDE, and we've always seen the number of student increase, I believe |
| 10:41.01 | darnir | kybrdbnd: Have you tried looking at their ideas page? |
| 10:41.09 | valorie | so I think there will be the same or higher, yes |
| 10:41.18 | valorie | !stats |
| 10:41.18 | gsocbot | valorie: I have 3 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 10:41.18 | leyyin | this year the competition will be even harder |
| 10:41.24 | leyyin | -organizations + students :D |
| 10:41.25 | valorie | oops |
| 10:41.30 | leyyin | I'm not saying it's bad |
| 10:41.33 | leyyin | just a fun fact |
| 10:41.35 | valorie | !numapp |
| 10:41.35 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapp" is see !numapps |
| 10:41.44 | valorie | !numapps |
| 10:41.44 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 10:42.15 | mishravikas | valorie, do you think new students can contact orgs now and still be selected? I was working for a org which dint get selected |
| 10:42.24 | kybrdbnd | yes i have checked their idea page |
| 10:42.37 | valorie | certainly, if you pitch in and fix some bugs |
| 10:42.44 | valorie | or whatever they ask you to do |
| 10:43.04 | valorie | start hanging out in their irc channels and helping out, same with their list(s) |
| 10:43.31 | valorie | most orgs admire students who see something that needs doing, and do it |
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| 10:43.51 | valorie | of course writing a kick-ass proposal is also necessary |
| 10:44.06 | mishravikas | valorie, I'm up for the effort but am a little worried since those students who were in contact earlier will be in advantage |
| 10:45.02 | darnir | mishravikas: That's not necessarily true. |
| 10:45.27 | mishravikas | darnir, you're a mentor as well? |
| 10:45.31 | darnir | Yes. |
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| 10:46.24 | olly | if you make contact now, you're ahead of the majority of applicants |
| 10:46.29 | mishravikas | darnir, feels good to hear this from mentors |
| 10:46.37 | mishravikas | darnir, which org? |
| 10:46.40 | darnir | GNU |
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| 10:47.08 | darnir | And yes, as olly said. If you contact now, you will be ahead of most others. |
| 10:47.26 | darnir | !timeline |
| 10:47.27 | gsocbot | darnir: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 |
| 10:47.29 | mishravikas | darnir, oh great GNU mailman is part of GNU only right? |
| 10:48.18 | mishravikas | olly, darnir : so I still might have hope then |
| 10:48.35 | valorie | certainly |
| 10:48.45 | valorie | it isn't the time or the effort we judge on |
| 10:48.49 | valorie | but the probable success |
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| 10:48.57 | valorie | so we want the *best* students |
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| 10:49.15 | valorie | the students who will most probably succeed |
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| 10:50.39 | aghisla | I agree with valorie, and every organisation tries to set criteria that identify these probably succeeding students. don't focus too much on criteria, but show motivation, this is my take |
| 10:50.42 | kybrdbnd | they actually want the best of the best |
| 10:51.07 | valorie | well, naturally |
| 10:51.16 | valorie | AND a crystal ball, so we know for sure |
| 10:51.21 | valorie | AND a pony |
| 10:51.50 | darnir | And a unicorn would be nice too |
| 10:52.02 | kragniz | hopes his pony is pretty enough |
| 10:52.27 | valorie | unicorns are pointy |
| 10:52.29 | dumindux | good one kragniz |
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| 10:53.07 | kybrdbnd | hahahahaa |
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| 10:53.21 | darnir | Sometimes, rather than probable success, organizations also look for students would continue to stick around after GSoC. |
| 10:53.22 | kybrdbnd | pearl in an ocean |
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| 10:54.19 | darnir | A student who disappears after finishing their project is only additional overhead for the organization, since they now have more code to maintain. |
| 10:54.30 | valorie | darnir: good point |
| 10:54.37 | valorie | I think of that as success |
| 10:54.41 | valorie | long term |
| 10:55.17 | darnir | Yes, that's more important that short term success in the project itself. |
| 10:55.54 | valorie | exactly; in KDE at least we have no interest in code that isn't supported long-term, or at least medium-term |
| 10:56.21 | valorie | one thing FOSS does not lack - old, dead code |
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| 11:01.29 | nourin | how to contact a mentor? |
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| 11:02.53 | Enygma` | contact the community |
| 11:03.01 | gevaerts | nourin: you look at the organisation's page on melange and at their ideas page. Both should list ways to contact them |
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| 11:11.44 | kybrdbnd | nopes |
| 11:11.51 | kybrdbnd | going for python |
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| 11:35.54 | Manishearth | For those who kept asking: |
| 11:35.55 | Manishearth | http://blog.queze.net/post/2015/03/03/Mozilla-not-accepted-for-Google-Summer-of-Code-2015 |
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| 11:38.06 | ythej | Manishearth, yeah, I saw that ! |
| 11:38.53 | darnir | Tor not accepted. Or The Linux Foundation. I'm glad my org made the cut |
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| 11:39.20 | dumindux | its hard for the students who were involved from the beginning with those organizations. |
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| 11:39.41 | sarvjeet | Is the list of accepted organization for GSOC 2015 final? I mean some more organizations will be added or not? |
| 11:39.57 | darnir | sarvjeet: It's absolutely final |
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| 11:40.20 | darnir | dumindux: Yes it is. But that is always a risk. |
| 11:40.35 | sarvjeet | darnir: why mozilla is not there? |
| 11:40.44 | dumindux | hmm |
| 11:40.56 | hasasin | Hi! How do i contact African soil Information Service? They dont have any mailing list or irc listed on their page |
| 11:41.00 | hasasin | just a blog link |
| 11:41.00 | Palash | sarvjeet : http://planet.mozilla.org |
| 11:41.26 | ythej | sarvjeet, http://planet.mozilla.org/ |
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| 11:43.39 | darnir | hasasin: Maybe there's more information on tha blog? |
| 11:43.39 | sarvjeet | this is bullshit, then why google didnt inform this earlier the reason they have given for not accepting mozilla? |
| 11:44.12 | darnir | Please keep you language civil. |
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| 11:44.47 | hasasin | Nope, nothing specific given on the blog |
| 11:44.56 | hasasin | All i could find was this link, http://africasoils.net/contact/ |
| 11:45.15 | darnir | 1. Google is not answerable to anyone about their decisions. |
| 11:45.21 | hasasin | It sends a mail to their mail id |
| 11:45.21 | kragniz | serves tea to keep the peace |
| 11:45.28 | darnir | 2. They only posted the results less that 24 hours ago. |
| 11:45.38 | darnir | hasasin: Isn't taht good enoguh? |
| 11:45.45 | darnir | /enoguh/enough |
| 11:45.46 | sarvjeet | its google`s fault to take this decision of not accepting mozilla at this point they should have informed earlier |
| 11:46.04 | dfighter | wat |
| 11:46.07 | hasasin | Well yea, but i think mailing lists and irc would be easier to discuss |
| 11:46.15 | hasasin | Here I have to wait till they reply |
| 11:46.26 | darnir | hasasin: That's the same as a mailing list. |
| 11:46.32 | gevaerts | It's google's fault to run gsoc in the first place |
| 11:46.39 | gevaerts | How dare they do that? |
| 11:46.50 | darnir | And even on IRC, you can't expect instant responses. On our IRC, we often have a delay on 24 hours |
| 11:46.56 | Valodim | why would mozilla need earlier notice about being accepted or not than any other org |
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| 11:48.19 | hasasin | ooh, so will I get added to another mailing list of theirs once they have gone through my message? |
| 11:48.40 | sarvjeet | Valodim: not about being accepted but about not considering them inorder to give other org chance, that should have been informed |
| 11:48.54 | MatthewWilkes | wat |
| 11:48.54 | Valodim | that's not how it works |
| 11:49.39 | dfighter | sarvjeet, you can only be considered after applying |
| 11:49.47 | dfighter | mozilla and others applied, they were considered |
| 11:49.51 | dfighter | some were rejected |
| 11:49.54 | dfighter | deal with it |
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| 11:50.05 | kblin | sarvjeet: this does sound a lot like complaining about the colour of your free pony |
| 11:50.12 | sarvjeet | google could have given the same reason if GNOME was not accepted ,the reason they have given to mozilla |
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| 11:50.25 | kblin | yes, they could have |
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| 11:50.52 | kblin | they could have also decided to not run gsoc 2015 at all and instead paint their HQ in google colours. |
| 11:51.00 | kblin | their money, their decision |
| 11:51.12 | sarvjeet | then why specifically mozilla? |
| 11:51.24 | olly | it's not specifically mozilla |
| 11:51.26 | kblin | it's not specifically mozilla |
| 11:51.29 | darnir | Their money, their decision. |
| 11:51.32 | olly | hundreds of orgs weren't accepted |
| 11:51.35 | dfighter | attend the friday meeting, and maybe you will find out |
| 11:51.42 | kblin | Tor isn't in this year, Linux Foundation isn't |
| 11:51.43 | Valodim | huh. I thought the HQ was already painted in google colours |
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| 11:51.58 | kblin | nope, it's still in SGI colours |
| 11:52.08 | MatthewWilkes | It matches the bikesheds |
| 11:52.25 | Valodim | so the bikes are google coloured but not the hq |
| 11:52.31 | kblin | yeah |
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| 11:53.27 | darnir | Yup. |
| 11:54.47 | kblin | in any case "your application was great, but we wanted to give some new orgs a chance" was a common line even during last year's feedback session |
| 11:55.36 | kblin | and arguably the large orgs like mozilla have the advantage that they a) have some funds of their own and b) people already know they exist |
| 11:56.06 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed |
| 11:56.14 | darnir | kblin: To add to that, they also have a decent community of programmers. |
| 11:56.47 | kblin | no idea, just a user of their stuff |
| 11:57.15 | MatthewWilkes | We (Plone) have the conundrum now about what we do. We can afford to sponsor some students, but we've got to work out a way of doing so that doesn't cause problems with internal politics, as we have some existing community members that aren't well off and would love to be sponsored to do dev work, but we always wanted to avoid that precedent |
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| 11:59.01 | kblin | it certainly is a slippery slope for smaller orgs |
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| 11:59.23 | kblin | WorldForge will just take a break and apply again next year |
| 12:00.41 | ujjwal | is there a list of organizations which are accepted or taking part for first time? |
| 12:01.33 | darnir | ujjwal: There's a list of accepted organizations |
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| 12:02.33 | ChristianM | we will also just take a break, prepare better and try again next year |
| 12:02.54 | downey | As the expression goes, "don't count your chickens before they hatch" |
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| 12:04.48 | kblin | I personally think it's a good thing that also the long-time orgs don't get in once in a while |
| 12:05.10 | kblin | people start taking things for granted and don't really put in any effort anymore |
| 12:05.38 | MatthewWilkes | I've had a few people message me asking "What went wrong??" |
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| 12:05.45 | MatthewWilkes | We have been accepted 8 out of 10 times |
| 12:05.49 | MatthewWilkes | Things went very right |
| 12:06.49 | ChristianM | kblin: true |
| 12:06.59 | ChristianM | and MatthewWilkes same here |
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| 12:07.29 | ChristianM | we "only" have a 5 out of 7 score (first years we didn't apply) but that's pretty ok |
| 12:08.19 | ythej | but what is the main reason in not accepting mozilla ? |
| 12:08.23 | kblin | heck, I wish I was even close as successful at getting research grants at work :) |
| 12:08.53 | legendtang | Hello! Does someone know if all the organizations has been added to gsoc 2015 mainpage yet? |
| 12:09.21 | ythej | It is the very first org comes to any newbie when we talk about open source ! |
| 12:09.32 | ythej | legendtang, yeah, its final |
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| 12:11.55 | legendtang | http://wiki.freifunk.net/Ideas_GSoC_2015 but they seems to have said they would accept application this year? It is strange. |
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| 12:12.45 | ujjwal | what I feel about mozilla is that they make getting started for a newcomer very smooth, great org to work with :) |
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| 12:15.01 | kblin | legendtang: the accepted org list on google-melange.com is the single source of truth |
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| 12:16.44 | legendtang | kblin: thanks! |
| 12:16.57 | kblin | !orgs |
| 12:16.58 | gsocbot | kblin: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 12:17.01 | kblin | gah |
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| 12:17.29 | kblin | !learn orgs as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 12:17.29 | gsocbot | kblin: "orgs" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014, or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 12:17.37 | kblin | !forget orgs 1 |
| 12:17.38 | gsocbot | kblin: "orgs" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015 |
| 12:18.12 | downey | Thanks kblin |
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| 12:31.18 | eightnoteight | hello everyone |
| 12:32.01 | eightnoteight | i'm just checking out the apache projects. and how can i contact them, like there's no mentioning of any irc channel for apache |
| 12:32.21 | teepee-- | maybe they just have a mailing list |
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| 12:32.36 | teepee-- | that should be listed on the org page at melange |
| 12:33.13 | eightnoteight | nope |
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| 12:33.36 | eightnoteight | there is link with an email image but that's just a 404 |
| 12:33.59 | teepee-- | yeah, that's garbled, copy the link and paste into some text editor :) |
| 12:34.21 | teepee-- | looks like it's long text instead of just a link |
| 12:34.49 | kblin | well, from the melange form it wasn't clear that the contents would go into a link |
| 12:35.07 | kybrdbnd | use google url shortner to shorten it |
| 12:35.21 | kblin | ? |
| 12:35.21 | eightnoteight | oh thanks, is it that dev@community.apache.org |
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| 12:35.40 | synobium_ | hi |
| 12:35.49 | kybrdbnd | hey |
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| 12:36.20 | downey | hello |
| 12:36.55 | synobium_ | pp.... |
| 12:36.59 | kybrdbnd | panda |
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| 12:37.12 | kybrdbnd | kya nick hai |
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| 12:37.23 | kybrdbnd | apni queries puch le |
| 12:37.28 | synobium_ | its my orignal name |
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| 12:38.28 | kybrdbnd | okey |
| 12:38.38 | synobium_ | can u guys tell me how to take part in meetins for respective organization |
| 12:39.01 | downey | synobium_: Ask them, not us. Everyone is different. :-) |
| 12:39.12 | kybrdbnd | in general |
| 12:39.30 | kybrdbnd | whether we have to join their irc channel |
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| 12:39.46 | synobium_ | well u guys must have participated before right.... |
| 12:41.01 | Valodim | it is different for each organization |
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| 12:57.53 | gevaerts | thinks people are being unfair |
| 12:58.10 | gevaerts | Please, people, complain about *other* orgs than mozilla not being there as well! |
| 12:58.18 | gevaerts | They're all going to feel bad! |
| 12:58.39 | siddhism | gevaerts: agree |
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| 12:58.54 | gevaerts | Or don't complain at all :) |
| 12:58.55 | dfighter | starts to complain about WF not being accepted |
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| 12:59.58 | gevaerts | dfighter: remember that it's not a proper complaint if you don't have an accompanying conspiracy theory or you aren't shocked! |
| 13:00.17 | dfighter | I was shocked actually |
| 13:00.36 | dfighter | I'll have to make up a conspiracy theory tho |
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| 13:00.56 | dfighter | must be the CIA or the KGB |
| 13:01.08 | dfighter | those are safe bets |
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| 13:01.33 | samuncle_ | !logs |
| 13:01.33 | gsocbot | samuncle_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 13:05.28 | siddhism | if i search tag python in previous year's organisations list i get 52 results, and this year it gives 36 organisations only thats demotivating. |
| 13:05.48 | aviraldg | Quality over quantity? |
| 13:06.04 | sgallagh | siddhism: If you look at the ratio, it's the same |
| 13:06.05 | dfighter | last year the org number was boosted, don't forget that |
| 13:06.36 | sgallagh | There are only 72% as many orgs this year as last year |
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| 13:06.39 | gevaerts | siddhism: organisations using python have traditionally been encouraged to participate under the PSF umbrella |
| 13:07.03 | sgallagh | There are also 73% as many python organizations, so it's actually _up_ slightly ;-) |
| 13:07.06 | siddhism | no. every year org number were boosted. only this year it is normal. i think |
| 13:07.42 | gevaerts | So I think it's quite likely that the *actual* number of python codebases you can work on for gsoc isn't lower at all |
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| 13:08.16 | siddhism | thats optimistic. should start working rather than complaining. |
| 13:08.36 | gevaerts | Google has been trying to get small organisations to join umbrellas for years now to reduce the administrative burden on them |
| 13:09.15 | gevaerts | I wouldn't be at all surprised (nor shocked!) if that's the entire motivation for the lower number of organisations this year |
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| 13:11.04 | siddhism | also no openstack there. which is being accepted by world, rejected in gsoc. |
| 13:11.26 | sgallagh | siddhism: Several umbrella orgs have OpenStack projects listed |
| 13:12.07 | gevaerts | hasn't seen any org applications or ideas lists this year, so he won't comment at all on individual cases :) |
| 13:12.26 | Crofton|work | the umbrella orgs need to learn to manage slots amongst the competing groups better :) |
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| 13:15.12 | sgallagh | Crofton|work: That's actually why I want to talk to the Mozilla folks. I might be able to get one of their projects onto our docket if they're interested. |
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| 13:18.18 | cihad | Hi |
| 13:18.44 | cihad | currently I'm a senior student but I'll start working at some company at the end of July |
| 13:19.15 | cihad | Do you know if there might be a problem participating gsoc with employment same itme ? |
| 13:19.17 | cihad | *time |
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| 13:21.07 | karthik_chandra | I think you need to be a student at the time of final student list announcement i.e. 27 april 1900 UTC |
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| 13:22.14 | kblin | cihad: how are you planning to handle the double load in August? |
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| 13:24.05 | cihad | There will be bootcamp in the company |
| 13:24.16 | cihad | I guess work load won't be much |
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| 13:26.36 | kblin | bootcamp isn't what I'd associate with "not much work" |
| 13:26.53 | kblin | but I don't know your company |
| 13:26.57 | cihad | :D |
| 13:27.37 | cihad | What if I work on gsoc until I join the company ? |
| 13:27.43 | kblin | personally, I have seen a lot of students try to juggle GSoC and a job, and at least in the projects I've been involved in, all of them failed |
| 13:28.11 | kblin | so you' |
| 13:28.15 | kragniz | cihad: have you asked your company about working on another full time project during august? |
| 13:28.33 | kblin | re basically proposing to work one month less? |
| 13:28.50 | cihad | no I didn't asked them |
| 13:28.53 | cihad | actually 2 months |
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| 13:29.27 | kblin | gsoc is running until august 24th, isn't it? |
| 13:29.37 | devsg | Hi, I'm really disappointed with the fact that Mozilla is not selected for this year. Is it possible that they might be reconisdered during Friday's meeting? |
| 13:29.59 | dfighter | extremely unlikely |
| 13:30.00 | cihad | yes @kblin right |
| 13:30.06 | downey | devsg: Unlikely, can't ever think of that happening before |
| 13:30.28 | kblin | what's with everybody complaining about mozilla? |
| 13:30.44 | kblin | a bunch of really cool other orgs didn't get in either |
| 13:30.51 | dfighter | yea |
| 13:30.54 | dfighter | like WF! |
| 13:31.00 | kblin | yeah, or plone |
| 13:31.04 | kblin | or tor |
| 13:31.13 | kblin | or the linux foundation |
| 13:31.13 | dfighter | I know tor and wf, an mozilla, but not plone |
| 13:31.15 | downey | kblin: hundreds of others |
| 13:31.32 | kblin | yeah, I could go on for a while |
| 13:31.43 | kblin | !mozilla |
| 13:31.47 | devsg | because I really wanted to work with a specific idea with them. :\ |
| 13:31.50 | kblin | I guess we need a factoid |
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| 13:32.12 | devsg | this year |
| 13:32.26 | downey | devsg: I'm sure they'd still appreciate your help :-) |
| 13:32.53 | devsg | I had worked with NRNB, Mozilla, Tor, Linux Foundation and tried fixing some bugs for them. Turns out none of them were accepted :\ |
| 13:33.09 | devsg | Hmm, yes, but a full-time mentorship would have helped a lot |
| 13:33.27 | kblin | !learn mozilla as Mozilla is not a mentoring org for this year's GSoC, but see http://blog.queze.net/post/2015/03/03/Mozilla-not-accepted-for-Google-Summer-of-Code-2015 |
| 13:33.28 | gsocbot | kblin: "mozilla" is Mozilla is not a mentoring org for this year's GSoC, but see http://blog.queze.net/post/2015/03/03/Mozilla-not-accepted-for-Google-Summer-of-Code-2015 |
| 13:33.31 | kblin | there |
| 13:33.34 | devsg | I do not think that mozilla's selection or rejection affects smaller organziations in anyway |
| 13:33.58 | kblin | ? |
| 13:34.04 | dfighter | it does |
| 13:34.11 | dfighter | prospecting students might consider smaller orgs |
| 13:34.22 | dfighter | in the absense of mozilla |
| 13:34.23 | kblin | sure it does. the slot allocations depend on how many people apply where |
| 13:34.32 | kblin | and what dfighter said |
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| 13:34.58 | kblin | of course if you really want to know, you could fund an alternative to GSoC and include mozilla |
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| 13:35.12 | kblin | and then we do this for a couple of years to collect enough data |
| 13:35.18 | garvitdelhi | hey, how is the number of slots given to a particular organisation? |
| 13:35.28 | kblin | !slots | garvitdelhi |
| 13:35.28 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 13:36.02 | kblin | hm, looks like OBF didn't make it either :/ |
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| 13:37.15 | leyyin | obf? |
| 13:37.46 | kblin | open bioinformatics foundation |
| 13:37.57 | devsg | @kblin: Still the bump from 190+ will surely affect students, less students may get a chance. :( |
| 13:38.15 | leyyin | do better proposals then :P |
| 13:38.18 | kblin | we don't know how many students will be accepted this year |
| 13:38.37 | kblin | but yes, chances are there'll be less slots overall than last year |
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| 13:38.48 | kblin | where they bumped up the numbers for the 10th anniversary |
| 13:40.12 | kblin | it's interesting to see how the OBF post about not being in GSoC this year is much more "oh well, let's move on" than some others I've read |
| 13:40.39 | kblin | then again, scientists are used to not get their grant proposals selected |
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| 13:41.10 | gevaerts | I'd expect fewer slots than last year, but I don't think that with currently available information there's any reason to assume that numbers will go down much under e.g. the 2013 level |
| 13:41.18 | gevaerts | Of course it *could* happen :) |
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| 13:42.25 | kblin | so if you want a larger gsoc again next year, keep clicking those ads ;) |
| 13:43.21 | gevaerts | Let's first see if it's smaller this year :) |
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| 13:43.59 | kblin | back in the olden days, we had 400 slots ;) |
| 13:44.07 | _hello_ | It's not quite a good thing to hear all this on your first year at GSoC. |
| 13:44.09 | gevaerts | And we were happy with them! |
| 13:44.19 | kblin | gsoc 2005 was planned for 200 students |
| 13:44.30 | gevaerts | _hello_: hear what? |
| 13:44.42 | devsg | _hello_: exactly! |
| 13:44.43 | gevaerts | *all* we know today is that there are fewer organisations than many people expected |
| 13:44.53 | _hello_ | gevaerts: The decrease in slots. |
| 13:45.03 | kblin | we don't know if there's going to be less slots |
| 13:45.09 | gevaerts | _hello_: where did you hear about a decrease in slots? |
| 13:45.14 | devsg | what about the IRC meeting on 6 march? |
| 13:45.16 | kblin | google might, but we sure don't |
| 13:45.26 | kblin | what about it? |
| 13:45.32 | _hello_ | Well... It's kinda consequent I believe. |
| 13:45.42 | gevaerts | That's *pure* speculation |
| 13:46.00 | roonyh | an opensource software that almost everyone here use is not accepted, and nobody bats an eye. |
| 13:46.03 | _hello_ | Right. |
| 13:46.04 | roonyh | which is melange |
| 13:46.15 | Palash | woah! |
| 13:46.18 | gevaerts | roonyh: did they apply? |
| 13:46.29 | devsg | Will any org be re-considered during IRC meeting on 6 march? |
| 13:46.29 | dfighter | yea, Melange! The damn CIA took them down too?! |
| 13:46.30 | roonyh | gevaerts, well they had an idea list. |
| 13:46.38 | _hello_ | Crazy! |
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| 13:46.59 | gevaerts | There are possible (and in my opinion even probable) reasons for reducing the number of organisations that do *not* involve reducing the number of students |
| 13:47.21 | dfighter | administration burden has already been mentioned |
| 13:47.30 | gevaerts | roonyh: I remember a lot of questions from students in #melange asking about an ideas list, and nobody ever linked to one |
| 13:47.31 | devsg | at least reducing slots to bigger orgs might have made it okay |
| 13:47.31 | dfighter | but I still think it was the CIA, or the KGB |
| 13:47.38 | Niharika | Melange did not apply, afaik. |
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| 13:48.33 | kblin | devsg: that'd be a first |
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| 13:48.47 | kblin | devsg: the IRC meeting on friday is largely a feedback session |
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| 13:49.53 | roonyh | gevaerts, ah. right. |
| 13:51.17 | kragniz | dfighter: maybe it's the administration burden of the NSA? |
| 13:51.23 | kragniz | dfighter: anything is possible! |
| 13:51.29 | dfighter | wow, really |
| 13:51.44 | dfighter | puts on tinfoil hat |
| 13:52.02 | kragniz | dfighter: rotter, I was just typing that |
| 13:52.09 | dfighter | :D |
| 13:52.14 | kblin | well, seeing how Tor didn't get in this year, it's probably the NSA |
| 13:52.25 | leyyin | rofl |
| 13:52.27 | dfighter | kblin, also it's not enough to click ads |
| 13:52.36 | dfighter | we really should watch the ads in our dreams |
| 13:52.39 | dfighter | like on Futurama |
| 13:52.41 | kragniz | puts a tinfoil hat on kblin |
| 13:52.42 | dfighter | :D |
| 13:53.24 | kblin | dfighter: I was paraphrasing Google's Jeremy Allison, who likes to talk about OSPO work and then finish up with "keep clicking the ads" |
| 13:53.35 | dfighter | ah |
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| 13:53.58 | gevaerts | *always* clicks ads for companies that annoy him |
| 13:54.22 | kblin | hehe |
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| 14:11.35 | lakhansamani | how can we connect to mentors of GSOC |
| 14:12.29 | tbr | you could start by reading http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 14:13.13 | lakhansamani | thnx alot |
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| 14:15.32 | gsocbot | jpirie: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 14:50.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 14:50.28 | downey | mmm, tea |
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| 14:51.21 | circ-user-ZXyPV | hello alll |
| 14:51.51 | circ-user-ZXyPV | are students supposed to do anything before applying for gsoc |
| 14:51.52 | circ-user-ZXyPV | ?? |
| 14:52.07 | carols | circ-user-ZXyPV: yes, you should start collaborating with your mentoring organization |
| 14:52.08 | downey | circ-user-ZXyPV: Each organization has different guidelines, so read carefully :-) |
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| 14:52.35 | circ-user-ZXyPV | do we choose organizations or the other way round >? |
| 14:52.49 | circ-user-ZXyPV | @carlos @downey thanks |
| 14:53.23 | aviraldg | both |
| 14:53.43 | ChristianM | circ-user-ZXyPV: you get in touch with orgs you are interested in and apply for their projects, they then finally choose who gets accepted |
| 14:54.19 | circ-user-ZXyPV | how to get in touch with them ? directly by emailing them ? or they have some irc or forum sort of way |
| 14:54.30 | ChristianM | depends on the org |
| 14:54.45 | circ-user-ZXyPV | ok |
| 14:54.46 | sgallagh | carols: Is there a way to change which Google Account was used as mentor/org admin? The one I used was from previous years, but it's basically a mostly dead email account at this point. I still have access to it, but I'd prefer to move to my real one. |
| 14:55.03 | carols | sgallagh: thatâs a question for the melange developers |
| 14:55.12 | sgallagh | ok |
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| 15:04.15 | MatthewWilkes | afternoon all |
| 15:04.37 | Slurpee | morning MatthewWilkes |
| 15:04.39 | pratik151 | hey guys |
| 15:05.31 | pratik151 | so its like i have to discuss my project with organisation and then apply ? |
| 15:05.53 | Niharika | pratik: Correct. |
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| 15:05.59 | pratik151 | i can talk of same project idea with more than one organisation? |
| 15:06.12 | Niharika | Oops. pratik151^ |
| 15:06.29 | circ-user-ZXyPV | i have the same question as pratik |
| 15:06.43 | gevaerts | You can, but I wouldn't usually expect a project idea to suit more than one organisation |
| 15:06.45 | tbr | you can apply with several orgs |
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| 15:06.54 | Niharika | pratik151: Different organizations have different ideas list. It'd be hard to fit the same project to fit different orgs. |
| 15:06.55 | octolith | Then read the student guide and the FAQ, both of you |
| 15:07.05 | carols | pratik151: why not talk to different organizations about the ideas on their ideas lists? |
| 15:07.05 | gevaerts | !studentguide |
| 15:07.05 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 15:07.07 | gevaerts | !faq |
| 15:07.07 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 15:07.12 | tbr | also orgs may speak to each other and not take kindly to it if a student spams all orgs with the same idea |
| 15:07.21 | octolith | Everything is written there |
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| 15:09.10 | circ-user-ZXyPV | thanks aloth octolith |
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| 15:10.07 | circ-user-ZXyPV | any one from mumbai ? or any idea about any meet in mumbai region ? |
| 15:10.35 | carols | circ-user-ZXyPV: if you want to host a meetup you should post it to the meetups list |
| 15:10.42 | Niharika | circ-user-ZXyPV: That is a question for the gsoc-india mailing list, not this channel. |
| 15:11.17 | circ-user-ZXyPV | @niharika sorry for posting in wrong place, can you provide me with link for the same please |
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| 15:12.28 | Niharika | circ-user-ZXyPV: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/gsoc-india |
| 15:13.20 | diadara | !numapps |
| 15:13.20 | gsocbot | diadara: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 15:14.48 | diadara | Number of accepted students will be more or less the same right ? Has there been any anouncement ? |
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| 15:15.17 | MatthewWilkes | diadara: I don't believe there has been an announcement. Number of orgs was lower. |
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| 15:21.18 | downey | I'd imagine the number of accepted students will be based on the number of slots requested by organizations. :-) |
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| 16:52.10 | SantaMinus | Hello! Please help me find a list of companies which are looking for interns of OPW? |
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| 16:52.31 | meflin | this channel is about gsoc ... |
| 16:52.47 | rharish | SantaMinus: I'm sure there'd be a channel for OPW ? |
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| 16:54.08 | meflin | I dont have any idea what OPW is .. have you google it :P |
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| 17:01.14 | sgulati | hey guys...I have a query. |
| 17:01.40 | meflin | just ask .. do not ask to ask |
| 17:03.30 | sgulati | There is an organisation which does not have any irc channel or a mailing list...How can I contact the mentor or any authorized person? |
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| 17:04.02 | CFS-MP3 | what organization? |
| 17:04.32 | sgulati | Africa Soil Information Service |
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| 17:06.55 | meflin | sgulati: and did you look at the contact info that tells you to use the blog |
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| 17:09.34 | sgulati | meflin: Yaa I read that...but how am I going to discuss my ideas through a blog? |
| 17:09.40 | someguy | who rates the gsoc proposals that we submit? does google shortlist the proposals, or do the mentors do this themselves? |
| 17:09.59 | meflin | no clue but give it a try |
| 17:10.07 | carols | someguy: itâs entirely up to the organization |
| 17:10.11 | carols | google does not weigh in at all |
| 17:11.15 | someguy | carols: so if I submit a proposal to KDE, and within KDE i am wanting to work with digicam, does this mean that the digicam mentors would rate my proposal? |
| 17:11.28 | carols | someguy: thatâs up to them |
| 17:11.31 | carols | did you ask them that? |
| 17:11.46 | someguy | no |
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| 17:12.30 | Nightrose | someguy: yes and no :) |
| 17:12.31 | carols | that would be the best next step :-) |
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| 17:12.47 | Nightrose | kde proposals are rated by all mentors but the specific team the proposal is for has a lot more weight |
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| 17:13.16 | someguy | thanks Nightrose |
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| 17:14.13 | rharish | someguy: join #kde-soc |
| 17:14.53 | someguy | Nightrose: if i apply for one project in digicam, and I don't get selected for that project, would I be automatically considered for other projects listed under digicam? |
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| 17:15.56 | carols | someguy: please take this to the kde channel :-) Nightrose is wonderful and will help you there |
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| 17:17.08 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 17:17.14 | meflin | mmm tea! |
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| 17:18.59 | sgulati | meflin: Yaa I read that...but how am I going to discuss my ideas through a blog? |
| 17:19.13 | meflin | sgulati: no clue .. .how about you try :) |
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| 17:20.12 | edunham | sgulati: examine the blog to see if there's contact information listed. if there's a comments section, use it. |
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| 17:20.43 | josephmurray | I was a mentor last year for CiviCRM and want to register to do it again this year. Iâve logged into Melange, which had my account from last year, but I canât see how to indicate I want to be a mentor for CiviCRM this year. Whatâs the menu item/process? |
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| 17:21.42 | gsoc317 | hi |
| 17:21.44 | josephmurray | Is https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2015 the form? |
| 17:21.51 | carols | hi gsoc317 |
| 17:21.54 | josephmurray | It says it to register as an organizational member |
| 17:22.04 | carols | josephmurray: what are you looking for? |
| 17:22.07 | carols | to apply as a student? |
| 17:22.10 | carols | or to join an org as a mentor? |
| 17:22.16 | gsoc317 | where can i see list of organizations offering projects? |
| 17:22.20 | josephmurray | no, to indicate I want to mentor again for CiviCRM this year |
| 17:22.26 | carols | gsoc317: itâs on the melange website |
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| 17:22.32 | carols | josephmurray: then yes, thatâs the right form |
| 17:22.47 | josephmurray | carols: thx! |
| 17:22.49 | carols | cheers |
| 17:22.51 | gsoc317 | thanks a lot carols |
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| 17:23.11 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:23.50 | gsoc317 | what is the last date to submit proposal? |
| 17:24.19 | carols | gsoc317: thatâs listed on the timeline on the melange website |
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| 17:25.05 | gsoc317 | also I wanted to ask I am a 2nd year Undergraduate student pursuing Computer Science in IIT Kanpur, India.. what are my chances to land in GSoC? |
| 17:25.30 | carols | gsoc317: itâs not about âchances.â itâs about contributing to an open source organization and submitting an excellent proposal |
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| 17:28.50 | someguy | gsoc317: people in india think that IITs are a passport to everything. unfortunately that is never true. |
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| 17:29.41 | gsoc317 | atleast we r better than some guy... |
| 17:30.41 | not_on_fp | Wait, what? |
| 17:30.56 | Guest74893 | Hello, last time with around 190 org 1200 students got accepted, this year with 137 org how many students in total gonna be there? |
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| 17:31.57 | meflin | Guest74893: we will know when we know |
| 17:33.01 | Guest74893 | meflin: so it has not been decided by now? Can I have some rough numbers? |
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| 17:33.14 | meflin | more then 1 less then 1 million |
| 17:33.27 | meflin | have a tea and relax |
| 17:33.40 | downey | someguy / gsoc317 - our org rarely (if ever) pays attention to what university someone attends ... we're interested in their skills, interests, and talents only |
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| 17:33.59 | gevaerts | Guest74893: it's a Schrödinger number. It may have been decided or it may not have been. The only way to find out is to open the box, but we don't have they key :) |
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| 17:34.46 | Abhishek_ | nice explanation there :) |
| 17:34.51 | downey | Guest74893: There can't be a number of students until the orgs first request and receive their numbers of slots, then decide which students to accept |
| 17:35.00 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: but thats why i am here ;) |
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| 17:35.33 | Guest74893 | ok, but what is the reason of a drastic decrease in accepted org this year? |
| 17:35.58 | carols | Guest74893: it was the choice we made this year. |
| 17:36.06 | abhiramr | Can anyone tell me more about Google OSPO? |
| 17:36.16 | gevaerts | scorche|sh: ok, consider yourself challenged :) |
| 17:36.26 | abhiramr | Is it one of the organizations participating this year? |
| 17:36.59 | carols | abhiramr: itâs explained in the FAQs. have you read those? |
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| 17:37.24 | MatthewWilkes | scorche|sh: I thought you were here to make UIs with overly small text? |
| 17:37.37 | scorche|sh | gevaerts: you need to show me the lock first... |
| 17:37.52 | abhiramr | carols: Question 16? I will look into it. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
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| 17:38.20 | carols | abhiramr: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 17:38.20 | scorche|sh | abhiramr: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization |
| 17:38.37 | gsoc317 | so how many proposals should one submit in order to get a good chance of accepting? |
| 17:38.46 | MatthewWilkes | gsoc317: At least one |
| 17:38.53 | abhiramr | carols: Are participants supposed to select their own mentors for OSPO? |
| 17:39.05 | gsoc317 | the wise man has said. |
| 17:39.07 | carols | abhiramr: your mentor is your research advisor at your university |
| 17:39.15 | carols | who has already agreed to mentor the project |
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| 17:40.01 | abhiramr | carols: Thank you. It was helpful! |
| 17:40.22 | carols | cheers |
| 17:40.46 | downey | Flipping a coin many times doesn't increase the probability that any given flip will be heads or tails. |
| 17:41.34 | downey | Or, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" (Einstein) |
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| 17:42.11 | gevaerts | downey: no, but it will give you a better idea of what the actual probability is :) |
| 17:42.26 | abhiramr | Hi5's downey |
| 17:42.38 | downey | gevaerts: I'll disagree ... the more proposals one creates, the less time is spent per proposal, so the quality is often lower |
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| 17:43.33 | gevaerts | downey: I was talking about coins! |
| 17:43.38 | downey | oh, well, yeah. :-P |
| 17:43.53 | downey | trades his coins for tea |
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| 17:44.05 | gevaerts | gives downey a cup of tea |
| 17:44.09 | gevaerts | now has more coins! |
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| 17:55.45 | parag_gngl | Which of the 137 organisations are new this year? |
| 17:56.19 | meflin | minowboard.org |
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| 17:57.09 | gevaerts | Figuring that out is a challenge :) |
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| 17:58.47 | teepee-- | an easy challenge though :) - and the result should have 37 orgs according to the blog post |
| 18:00.21 | gevaerts | Ah, solved by lateral thinking :) |
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| 18:01.42 | tdorno | How likely am I to be accepted into GSOC with little to no experience in open-source development? |
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| 18:02.20 | carols | tdorno: there isnât a âlikelihoodâ or chances in gsoc. you should get involved with an OS community and get familiar with their requirements for contributors |
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| 18:02.52 | dfighter | tdorno, open source development isn't much different from closed-source development |
| 18:03.03 | dfighter | the only real difference is anyone can look into your code |
| 18:03.15 | gevaerts | tdorno: one of the goals is to get new people into open source |
| 18:03.16 | kremlin- | there is more tea involved in open source development |
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| 18:03.50 | tdorno | @carols and said OS communities would have to e one of the orgs already accepted into this program, correct? |
| 18:04.04 | dfighter | kremlin-, yea and there was a tea party in Boston, when they went open in the 1700s |
| 18:04.17 | carols | tdorno: if you want to apply for gsoc? yes. however, youâre welcome to contribute to whatever community you please. |
| 18:04.27 | tdorno | Alrightys, thanks! |
| 18:04.28 | Sricharanized | carols: Mam, I would like to contribute to the organization called "Oncoblocks". I couldn't find any reference email/ mailing list / IRC. What are my options. |
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| 18:05.08 | carols | Sricharanized: your options are to continue pursuing ways to get in contact with them or to choose another organization to reach out to |
| 18:05.54 | Sricharanized | carols: Mam, I googled and mailed the mentor directly. Is it OK? |
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| 18:06.12 | carols | Sricharanized: that depends on their opinion :-) |
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| 18:07.34 | Sricharanized | carols: Hope they won't mind. Thanks. Bye. |
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| 18:07.42 | carols | cheers |
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| 18:15.26 | CFS-MP3 | carols with the smaller number of orgs, does it follow that each accepted one will get more slots or not necessarily? (i.e. you may choose not to spend all the budget) |
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| 18:15.45 | carols | CFS-MP3: we allocate slots based on our slot allocation criteria |
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| 18:15.50 | carols | not based on number of accepted orgs |
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| 18:18.18 | aviraldg | Hey, carols, how are you? |
| 18:18.26 | carols | aviraldg: fine thank you. how are you? |
| 18:18.38 | aviraldg | Pretty good :) |
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| 18:19.11 | aviraldg | First year in college, and I mentored for GCI this time. |
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| 18:19.47 | aviraldg | Lots of kids from my town and school who're getting into the whole OSS thing these days (due to GCI, in part) |
| 18:19.57 | carols | thatâs great to hear! |
| 18:20.04 | aviraldg | You guys are having an amazing impact :) |
| 18:20.41 | aviraldg | So pretty confused about which project to apply to. Sahana isn't there -_- |
| 18:20.55 | aviraldg | Will the OSPO mentor its own projects? Melange, to be specific? |
| 18:21.13 | carols | aviraldg: ospo only mentors projects as per the alternate proposal policy |
| 18:21.24 | carols | we arenât mentoring melange, they arenât participating this year |
| 18:21.26 | meflin | aviraldg: melange did not apply so no |
| 18:21.32 | aviraldg | aha |
| 18:21.45 | aviraldg | Melange's a separate org? Too bad. |
| 18:22.10 | meflin | it is |
| 18:24.15 | gsoc067 | hi carols, 2nd year college student here, when it says "each student may submit up to five proposals", does it mean for the whole GSoC programme, or 5 just with one organisation? |
| 18:24.18 | aviraldg | Would be pretty cool to work on the changes Stephanie was talking about. Guess I'll have to see if they accept help outside GSOC. |
| 18:24.36 | Niharika | gsoc067: Whole program. |
| 18:24.48 | meflin | and quality is better then quanity |
| 18:24.51 | meflin | every time |
| 18:24.53 | carols | gsoc067: itâs whatever combination you prefer. |
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| 18:25.45 | gsoc067 | thanks! |
| 18:25.55 | carols | cheers |
| 18:26.05 | sgulati | I am not able to find any way to communicate with the mentor since the organization has no irc channel or mailing list. Please guide me what to do next. |
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| 18:26.27 | carols | sgulati: continue trying to find a communication method or pursue another organization. |
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| 18:27.19 | raj__ | How do I reply to a mailing list? |
| 18:27.45 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Smart move not showing up yesterday ;) |
| 18:27.54 | Niharika | Suggestion: Having an IRC channel and/or mailing list should be an important criteria for org selection. Not just the ideas page. |
| 18:28.03 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: i was on a plane to utah :-) |
| 18:28.17 | meflin | Niharika: there are more channels of comunication then that |
| 18:28.42 | NikolaiToryzin | Hah, I thought that was intentional, leaving all the why didn't X get accepted to everyone else :P |
| 18:29.15 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: weâre answering all the emails now. |
| 18:29.17 | Niharika | meflin: For a newcomer, those are the most easily accessible. |
| 18:29.46 | raj__ | How do I reply to a thread in a mailing list? |
| 18:29.51 | meflin | Niharika: while I agree ... each org has there own comunication stlye |
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| 18:30.12 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, I can imagine a sea of dozens of "go to the Friday meeting" replies |
| 18:30.16 | Niharika | Communicating on blog comments can hardly be called a communication style. |
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| 18:30.58 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: theyâre welcome to email as well. |
| 18:31.05 | carols | that was included in the rejection email. |
| 18:31.19 | carols | that was anyone from my team can respond, not just me |
| 18:31.33 | NikolaiToryzin | Ahhhh, I thought it was meeting only |
| 18:31.49 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: itâs either, and all that info is included in the email the org admins got |
| 18:31.54 | carols | and also listed on the timeline as well |
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| 18:32.22 | NikolaiToryzin | Cool, cool, just forgot a detail |
| 18:32.32 | vin-ivar | the IRC meeting, is it invites only, or can anybody show up and listen? |
| 18:32.44 | NikolaiToryzin | vin-ivar, Anyone can listen |
| 18:32.47 | carols | vin-ivar: anyone can idle in the channel and listen but the channel will be moderated |
| 18:33.07 | vin-ivar | ah, I see, thanks |
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| 18:40.07 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 18:40.56 | gavinatkinson | carols: Thanks for the coffee, and thanks for running GSoC again this year :) |
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| 18:43.08 | carols | gavinatkinson: youâre welcome :-) |
| 18:43.11 | carols | thanks for saying so |
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| 18:47.09 | kremlin- | gsoc has come right on time, i have just about filled last years notebook :) |
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| 18:58.50 | darnir | Hey carols |
| 18:58.56 | carols | hi darnir |
| 18:59.12 | darnir | How's it going? I see activity in this channel has suddenly spiked! |
| 18:59.27 | carols | itâs going well thanks |
| 18:59.30 | carols | gsoc is ramping up |
| 18:59.32 | meflin | often does over deadlines |
| 18:59.34 | carols | more folks asking questions |
| 18:59.39 | darnir | Yup. :) |
| 18:59.55 | meflin | have some tea |
| 19:00.09 | darnir | BTW, I wanted to ask about the group photograph from the 2014 reunion. Never saw it. |
| 19:00.23 | carols | darnir: itâs on the google+ page for the reunion. |
| 19:00.32 | darnir | Oh. I must have missedit. |
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| 19:00.56 | carols | everyone looks so nice all dressed up for the photo :-) |
| 19:01.25 | meflin | flips his trench collar up |
| 19:02.00 | darnir | :-) Which is why I wanted a copy |
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| 19:02.13 | carols | darnir: i thought it came out very nice :-) |
| 19:02.48 | darnir | It did! Please tell me there's a higher resolution available... |
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| 19:08.22 | carols | darnir: youâre welcome to email me if you want the original, but itâs a very large file so Iâd have to email it to you directly |
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| 19:30.55 | sgulati | I am bit confused in selecting my project. Can you give me a few tips on what basis should I select the project in the scenario where I am equally interested in more than 2 projects? |
| 19:31.24 | carols | sgulati: how did you choose your hobbies? |
| 19:31.29 | carols | or the things youâre interested in? |
| 19:31.33 | carols | itâs a personal decision |
| 19:31.40 | carols | whatâs going to be most fulfilling to you? |
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| 19:33.50 | sgulati | It has been a complete day since I have been studying about the various projects of my interest and till now I am unable to prioritize and select one. |
| 19:34.08 | carols | sgulati: one day isnât long enough for you to decide :-) |
| 19:34.17 | carols | we give you two weeks before student apps open |
| 19:34.22 | carols | be generous to yourself :-) |
| 19:34.24 | carols | take some time with it |
| 19:34.30 | carols | you donât have to decide overnight |
| 19:34.35 | carols | or gosh |
| 19:34.38 | carols | you could just apply to both |
| 19:35.23 | downey | sgulati: have you had a chance to chat with people in multiple projects? |
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| 19:36.05 | downey | Sometimes that's helpful in understanding which communities you would most enjoy working with |
| 19:36.13 | sgulati | I wish to complete the deciding part as soon as possible and then give devote my entire time in exploring the different aspects of the project. |
| 19:36.24 | carols | sgulati: did you do what downey asked? |
| 19:36.51 | downey | carols: I'd love a full res photo :-) |
| 19:37.02 | carols | downey: email me please :-) |
| 19:37.08 | sgulati | downey: I haven't got a chance yet since the organization I wish to work with do not have any mailing list or an irc channel. |
| 19:37.11 | carols | if itâs not in my inbox itâs not on my todo list |
| 19:37.21 | downey | Will do. Was happy it turned out as dark as it was getting :-) |
| 19:37.36 | carols | sgulati: if they donât have a mailing list or irc channel maybe you should factor that into whether you want to work with them |
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| 19:38.38 | downey | sgulati: I'd agree with what carlos said |
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| 19:39.03 | carols | downey: i really want to meet this poor carlos person who keeps getting my messages |
| 19:39.21 | downey | sgulati: otherwise you might want to make the extra effort to figure out how best to communicate with them |
| 19:39.30 | sgulati | Yup...Thats why I am exploring and studying more projects of different organizations and am getting more and more confused with the increasing no of projects as I proceed further |
| 19:39.39 | downey | carols: maybe a long lost twin? |
| 19:39.44 | carols | downey: maybe. |
| 19:40.54 | downey | sgulati: abundance of cool choices is a fun problem to have, even if difficult |
| 19:41.23 | sgulati | downey: Agreed!!! |
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| 19:56.20 | gsocbot | raveesh: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 20:12.27 | aerophile | hi |
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| 20:13.15 | carols | hi aerophile |
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| 20:14.40 | aerophile | hi carols , are you the op in here? |
| 20:14.46 | carols | aerophile: one of them, yes |
| 20:14.54 | carols | is there a problem? |
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| 20:15.28 | aerophile | no problems i was just asking :) |
| 20:15.28 | carols | okay |
| 20:15.32 | carols | you had me worried :-) |
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| 20:16.18 | aerophile | is aerophile a nice nickname? |
| 20:16.24 | aerophile | in your opinion |
| 20:16.41 | carols | aerophile: not something i can comment on one way or the other |
| 20:16.48 | carols | all i really comment on is gsoc |
| 20:16.49 | carols | and tea |
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| 20:17.45 | meflin | works for me .. have a tea |
| 20:17.53 | carols | sips some tea |
| 20:18.02 | aerophile | ha ha yes i get it thanks |
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| 20:41.45 | piymis | :) |
| 20:42.05 | carols | hi piymis |
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| 20:42.35 | piymis | carols: hello |
| 20:42.35 | aerophile | waves hello to all |
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| 20:42.55 | piymis | reflected the wave back |
| 20:46.38 | aka_007 | Hi. I am looking forward to contribute to "encyclopedia of life" organisation which is selected in gsoc 2015(https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/eol). I am unable to find it's irc channel or mailing list neither on the melange page nor on the homepage of the organisation. I will be very grateful if someone can guide me to it. |
| 20:46.58 | carols | aka_007: thatâs research youâll have to do on your own |
| 20:47.12 | carols | if you canât find a way to contact them maybe consider looking into contributing to other orgs |
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| 20:49.28 | piymis | aka_007: they have a facebook page |
| 20:49.33 | teepee | are there any guidelines or restrictions regarding using the gsoc-2015 logo (for blog/news posts) |
| 20:49.40 | aka_007 | carols: Thank you for the reply. I will think about it. |
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| 20:51.07 | stepandra | Hi, everyone! Right now i am student, but 17 years old, my birthday is on may 17, can i take a part on this challenge? |
| 20:51.44 | meflin | check the FAQ I belive ( could be wrong )you are under age |
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| 20:52.02 | piymis | stepandra: I don't think so. I think minimum age is 18 for participation. |
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| 20:52.26 | stepandra | but contributing starts when i will be 18 |
| 20:52.55 | carols | stepandra: no, you will not be old enough |
| 20:53.33 | CFS-MP3 | You must be at least 18 years of age when you register to participate in Google Summer of Code. |
| 20:53.41 | stepandra | so i need do it by my 18 years old friend? |
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| 20:54.32 | CFS-MP3 | You'd need to be 18 by March 27 I think so you could send your proposal on that date |
| 20:54.43 | CFS-MP3 | next year :-) |
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| 21:03.37 | stepandra | =( |
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| 21:04.21 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 21:05.03 | aerophile | thanks carol while sipping his tea |
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| 21:05.20 | carols | yw aerophile |
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| 21:06.34 | meflin | tosses areound some Remback estatee .. enjoy |
| 21:06.55 | carols | yum |
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| 21:50.31 | Modomario_ | Pfff. I'd really love to add to the whole GSOC thing but I feel like I don't know enough. |
| 21:51.02 | carols | Modomario_: by âaddâ you mean participate as a student? |
| 21:51.18 | Modomario_ | yeah. |
| 21:51.48 | carols | well, only you and your potential mentoring organization can determine if you have the skills to participate. |
| 21:51.58 | carols | so youâd have to speak to them about it directly. |
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| 21:55.06 | downey | teepee: the logo has a CC license, you can read which one on the Google developers open source site |
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| 21:57.47 | teepee | downey: thanks, -ND, hmm. so not possible to combine directly. |
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| 22:18.36 | Gimli05 | !next |
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| 22:19.02 | carols | huh |
| 22:19.05 | carols | !next |
| 22:19.07 | Gimli05 | interesting |
| 22:19.14 | carols | yeah, poor bot is broken |
| 22:19.16 | carols | oh well |
| 22:19.24 | carols | kblin can take a look at it later |
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| 22:20.53 | scorche|sh | oh - speaking of which... |
| 22:21.18 | scorche|sh | kblin: you said that you would be able to do the feedback meeting, yeah? - a meeting during that time may have come up for me |
| 22:21.45 | carols | hopefully the irc meeting will be much shorter this year, most orgs have been opting to email me this year. |
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| 22:23.03 | scorche|sh | ok |
| 22:23.11 | anth_x | are you okay with that option? i'd been avoiding it, thinking you'd rather bunch them up. |
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| 22:23.25 | scorche|sh | kblin: well, double check, and let me know - i might still be able to make arrangements to be there, but... |
| 22:25.06 | carols | i much prefer email |
| 22:25.12 | carols | that way any of my coworkers can respond |
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| 22:25.23 | carols | instead of me having to sit here for 8 hours giving myself carpal tunnel |
| 22:27.01 | anth_x | ah! well then i'm happy to do that instead. direct to you? |
| 22:28.03 | carols | anth_x: following the instructions from the rejection email. |
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| 22:29.41 | anth_x | of course. sorry. |
| 22:29.49 | carols | cheers |
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| 22:37.28 | downey | always found the meeting helpful to understand ways to improve his application through the feedback for others |
| 22:37.40 | downey | But, shorter++ |
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| 22:40.39 | anth_x | yup, i've sat through it in years we've been accepted for the same reasons, but i sure don't envy those running it. |
| 22:40.53 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Good to know, it didn't occur to me that the direct email might be your preference. Anything to reduce the pain of that day, sent! |
| 22:41.05 | carols | thanks MatthewWilkes :-) |
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| 22:43.13 | MatthewWilkes | carols: FWIW, I think you've got some really cool sounding new orgs this year. I don't envy you the feedback you must have had the last two days, but I've had fun learning about projects I'd never heard of from the participants list |
| 22:43.44 | carols | MatthewWilkes: thank you for saying so, i appreciate it. |
| 22:43.55 | carols | i think they sound pretty cool, too. |
| 22:44.05 | meflin | I agree with MatthewWilkes |
| 22:44.07 | carols | i always hope the new orgs will stay fresh and interesting for the students and get a lot out of it |
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| 22:46.36 | MatthewWilkes | You know the one that spun me out the most? |
| 22:46.39 | MatthewWilkes | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/bika |
| 22:46.42 | MatthewWilkes | Never heard of them |
| 22:47.58 | carols | MatthewWilkes: iâd never heard of them either until last month :-) |
| 22:48.21 | anth_x | i agree. nobody likes being on the other side of that line, but it's encouraging to hear about all this other stuff going on. |
| 22:48.32 | MatthewWilkes | I know rockfruit from IRC, it's moments like that that make it all feel worthwhile |
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| 22:51.23 | MatthewWilkes | carols: :) I am jealous of the students, there are lots of really cool things on offer this year. |
| 22:51.24 | anth_x | i was interested in red hen when i heard about them, and am excited they have folks local to me, at Case. |
| 22:51.44 | carols | MatthewWilkes: iâm always jealous of the students. i wish gsoc had existed when i was in university :-) |
| 22:52.12 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I felt very jealous the first year, then I fell into a pattern of chatting to the mentors about how we can make things better for students |
| 22:52.35 | carols | thatâs good :-) |
| 22:52.35 | MatthewWilkes | maybe not being a mentoring org is the key factor, but looking at this year's list I find myself really wishing I was applying as a student |
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| 22:56.38 | harshil93 | Guys, can you suggest me the number of applications that I should submit. I am aiming for 2 different projects with 2 different organizations. Since both of them are new organizations, I have no idea of the no. of slots that will be given to them. |
| 22:57.15 | carols | harshil93: you should submit the number of high quality proposals you have to organizations you have established a working relationship with |
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| 22:58.03 | MatthewWilkes | harshil93: Nothing is ever certain, but in previous years new orgs were limited to 2 students. That said, experienced orgs also often got 2 places. Orgs will rather give up a student slot than give it to a student whose proposal is less than outstanding. |
| 22:59.19 | harshil93 | carols: Thanks. |
| 22:59.25 | carols | cheers |
| 22:59.40 | gevaerts | I definitely wouldn't go much above two |
| 23:00.03 | gevaerts | You want to be able to give each proposal the attention it needs |
| 23:00.36 | harshil93 | Going above 2 will also take a hell lot of effort and time. |
| 23:01.06 | gevaerts | Yes, exactly |
| 23:01.07 | MatthewWilkes | harshil93: Glad you think so. Generally the people that submit lots of proposals spend no time on them. As other have said, it's not a numbers game. |
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| 23:21.42 | rockfruit | MatthewWilkes spun me too, believe me :) |
| 23:24.01 | rockfruit | Being involved as a mentoring organisation feels like being the student, too. It's exciting... |
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| 23:26.00 | carols | welcome rockfruit :-) |
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| 23:26.46 | rockfruit | Thanks! |
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| 23:30.49 | MatthewWilkes | rockfruit: Hope you know that if there's anything you need you can feel free to ping me, too. I'm sure you've got it all covered but if you find yourself wanting a Plone core person to give any advice on a project I'm happy to 'encourage' people ;) |
| 23:31.39 | carols | iâm happy to lend out my prized poking stick to any org admins that need it this year. |
| 23:31.56 | carols | it was a kind gift from downey at the reunion last year. |
| 23:32.04 | carols | well, from everyone. |
| 23:32.11 | carols | since every gsoc admin needs a poking stick |
| 23:32.18 | downey | Haha |
| 23:33.39 | downey | http://www.natradioco.com/rdey/rs.gif |
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| 23:34.49 | carols | downey: that looks like a mean poking stick |
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| 23:35.34 | downey | Gotta keep the myth going |
| 23:36.10 | rockfruit | MatthewWilkes I was being a bit shy I guess - I wanted to ask, and I appreciate having you around. |
| 23:36.47 | gevaerts | sees that MatthewWilkes is already trying to talk himself to the mentor summit :) |
| 23:37.19 | MatthewWilkes | hah, no chance there |
| 23:38.32 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: Maybe I should work on an mp3 player? |
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| 23:39.02 | gevaerts | MatthewWilkes: go ahead, but don't expect MS tickets from us :) |
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| 23:57.04 | andre__ | anyone? |
| 23:57.25 | andre__ | where can i get info about the projects? |
| 23:59.04 | valorie | Guest99115: did you read the /topic ? |
| 23:59.32 | valorie | that is the first thing to do in any IRC chan |
