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00:01.05 | valorie | one of the skills that will be most valuable to you as a prospective GSoC student is doing your research |
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00:16.53 | gsocbot | diamondhead: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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00:17.19 | gsocbot | diamondhead: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
00:17.44 | diamondhead | :) |
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00:18.02 | olly | sometimes i wonder if we need a bot to spot when people type !log and get a useless response |
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07:36.06 | agaurav77 | can someone suggest what project should i work on? everything is so overwhelming. i know a little bit of python and C (that's all - i dont know if i suffice) |
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07:39.11 | valorie | agaurav77: what do you love? |
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07:39.35 | valorie | or, what do you use that has a bug that drives you nuts? |
07:40.37 | agaurav77 | valorie: i d like to do something in GTK |
07:40.51 | agaurav77 | but i dont know anything about the libraries and usage |
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07:41.08 | agaurav77 | i do know however that GTK apps are written in C C++ |
07:41.09 | valorie | you can start by searching on gtk tag then |
07:41.20 | valorie | C usually |
07:41.25 | agaurav77 | okay i ll just search |
07:41.27 | valorie | C++ is usually Qt |
07:41.53 | agaurav77 | ah... okay |
07:42.13 | agaurav77 | i found out GNOME last night, and left a message on irc.gnome.org -> #gnome-love |
07:42.18 | agaurav77 | but no one responded |
07:42.27 | agaurav77 | i have a faint idea i can do this one |
07:42.39 | valorie | in their profile, I'm sure that they have a complete description |
07:42.48 | valorie | a link to their ideas page, etc. |
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07:43.02 | agaurav77 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreach/SummerOfCode/2015/Ideas |
07:43.05 | rumesh | hi |
07:43.17 | agaurav77 | adding a drive dialog to nautilus |
07:43.40 | rumesh | Can I know why opensuse is not listed under selected organizations yet? |
07:44.03 | valorie | I suggest trying in #gnome instead |
07:44.18 | agaurav77 | okay, i ll do try |
07:44.25 | valorie | rumesh: were they selected? |
07:44.34 | agaurav77 | and come back |
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07:45.08 | valorie | agaurav77: excellent, just follow all the links on that page you found |
07:45.13 | valorie | and the advice |
07:45.40 | valorie | irc doesn't work like that |
07:45.45 | agaurav77 | valorie: okay ill do |
07:45.52 | valorie | get a client, and hang out there for the duration |
07:45.57 | valorie | and here for that matter |
07:46.05 | agaurav77 | i have irssi... |
07:46.29 | valorie | great, then you have space for unlimited chans |
07:46.44 | agaurav77 | yeah.. |
07:46.57 | agaurav77 | i ll just try on #gnome then |
07:46.58 | rumesh | valorie: They have been participating for the program for last couple of years. This time I didn't see them on the accepted list. Thats why I was wondering |
07:47.15 | valorie | many orgs applied that were not accepted |
07:47.29 | valorie | and not everyone applied who has participated before |
07:47.37 | valorie | it is a LOT of work |
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07:47.58 | valorie | in KDE we've been taking fewer students so our mentors don't burn out |
07:48.19 | rumesh | oh is that so. Thanks for the info |
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07:52.43 | agaurav77 | valorie : i guess it will take a while before they answer |
07:52.57 | agaurav77 | in the meantime, i d like to ask a few things |
07:53.33 | valorie | ensure that you've read all the links on the page you posted earlier |
07:53.45 | valorie | and whatever is in the /topic in #gnome |
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07:54.24 | agaurav77 | the topic is the "GNOME - general" |
07:54.30 | valorie | ah, OK |
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07:54.46 | valorie | you can use alis to search for more |
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07:54.53 | shrey | anyone who did last year in android ? |
07:55.00 | valorie | it is /msg alis list *searchterm* |
07:55.01 | agaurav77 | alis? |
07:55.07 | agaurav77 | ah alright |
07:55.11 | valorie | a search bot for freenode |
07:55.31 | agaurav77 | this searches the channels..? |
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07:56.11 | valorie | yes, channels and topics |
07:56.24 | agaurav77 | ah.. thats cool |
07:56.36 | valorie | for more, /msg alis help or --help |
07:56.40 | valorie | can't recall which |
07:57.24 | agaurav77 | is it freenode specific? |
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07:59.33 | agaurav77 | yeah... didnt work on irc.gnome.org |
07:59.55 | agaurav77 | sorry.. i didnt read that part (a search bot for freenode) |
07:59.55 | rnikhil275 | How do I contact people in LabLua organisation ?. Many of the mentors havent specified their Email-Ids. Do they have an irc channel ? |
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08:02.15 | thiago | rnikhil275: you're going to find that information on their website |
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08:07.59 | rnikhil275 | Well not for everyone. |
08:08.14 | rnikhil275 | Some mentor's email addresses are unavailable |
08:09.51 | valorie | which means that they want you to write to the list, and not to them |
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08:10.04 | valorie | I would say most mentors prefer that |
08:10.18 | valorie | since FOSS works in teams |
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08:13.17 | nurupo | thiago: are you mentoring anything this year? Subsurface? |
08:13.57 | thiago | nurupo: subsurface |
08:14.41 | nurupo | i see. i'm mentoring project tox, the same as last year |
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08:18.46 | indras | hi |
08:19.16 | indras | i have a question about eligibility to apply for gsoc |
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08:20.27 | indras | if a student has failed the gsoc project in a previous year, is he not eligible to apply for another gsoc project this year? |
08:21.06 | thiago | I think you can reapply |
08:21.17 | thiago | but the student's chances are really slim |
08:21.35 | thiago | why should the org choose someone who has failed once, when they have a good number of other proposals to choose from? |
08:21.50 | nurupo | there is nothing that says you can in FAQ https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
08:22.04 | nurupo | *you can't |
08:22.21 | indras | ok thanks thiago, nurupo |
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08:24.00 | valorie | to me it would depend on the circumstances |
08:24.06 | nurupo | all students are free to apply for GSoC as long as they meet all eligibility requirements |
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08:24.48 | nurupo | it's just that if you try to apply for the same org, the org might try to avoid choosing you, from the past experience, as thiago said |
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10:09.56 | kblin | sighs |
10:10.00 | kblin | that git history |
10:10.36 | kblin | "detect problem x"->"fix problem x"->"fix the fix for problem x" |
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10:11.13 | teepee-- | could be worse, I've seen entries like "bugfix" or "interim checkin" :) |
10:11.18 | gevaerts | kblin: "figure out x wasn't actually a problem in the first place" :) |
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10:11.38 | gevaerts | "did some server stuff" |
10:11.49 | gevaerts | (seen just now at work) |
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10:18.01 | kblin | gevaerts: well, this is my git history. I know that my most important collaborator is myself, 6 months ago. |
10:18.14 | kblin | and my past self doesn't answer to emails |
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10:18.42 | kblin | so I know that "do stuff" doesn't help me a couple of months down the road |
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10:19.25 | sitic | https://xkcd.com/1296/ |
10:19.51 | gevaerts | kblin: ah, one of those :) |
10:20.45 | kblin | I had a problem where some files generated from some other file were outdated |
10:21.02 | kblin | I fixed it in our production site, and then added some code to detect this |
10:21.26 | kblin | basically just a warning and early abort if the code found this |
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10:22.59 | kblin | then I realized the problem was that due to ubuntu 14.04 on the development machines vs. debian stable on the productions servers, I had to add a patch that'd keep the file these other files were generated from with some local changes |
10:23.34 | kblin | so in future, every "git rebase origin/master" would cause my "are the generated files outdated" check to raise the alarm |
10:23.53 | kblin | being properly lazy, I wrote some code to regenerate the files |
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10:24.15 | kblin | that was "fix for x" |
10:24.27 | gevaerts | Sounds like fun |
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10:24.36 | kblin | I already had code for autogenerating the files when missing |
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10:25.12 | kblin | but, either deletion or generation were running, not both |
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10:25.40 | kblin | my tests were just running the checks, so this broke in real-life, when after deleting the outdated files, I wanted to actually use them |
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10:26.03 | kblin | code for generating them was there, but dead (misplaced "break" in a loop) |
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10:31.20 | darnir | How about "Revert this commit before merging!" |
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10:31.47 | darnir | This in my production repo |
10:32.07 | kblin | yay |
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10:39.44 | Sakuya_Lv9 | o/ |
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11:33.22 | harshu | does student proposal need to contain students cv ? |
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11:34.17 | dranzer | it depends on the org |
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11:34.24 | gevaerts | Hard to say. Back when I looked at proposals I mostly skipped CV-like bits |
11:34.33 | gevaerts | But that doesn't mean others do |
11:35.04 | gevaerts | I'd say if it's not clear whether the org wants that sort of thing or not, it can't hurt to include a short CV |
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11:37.27 | Valodim | what's very helpful are related projects you worked on |
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11:39.50 | darnir | I think your best option is to directly ask the org |
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11:40.22 | darnir | Personally, I skip all CV like bits. |
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11:41.37 | VarunAgw_ | Are we having payoneer this year too? |
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11:41.46 | VarunAgw_ | !payment |
11:41.46 | gsocbot | VarunAgw_: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentpaymentcards |
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11:42.09 | VarunAgw_ | Link is not updated |
11:42.14 | VarunAgw_ | !forget payment |
11:42.14 | gsocbot | VarunAgw_: The operation succeeded. |
11:42.20 | fishbowl | Tor has always asked for a cv-like thing. But not complete or anything, only as it pertains to acquiring the skills necessary to complete the project |
11:42.21 | VarunAgw_ | !learn payment as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards |
11:42.21 | gsocbot | VarunAgw_: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards |
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11:44.10 | harshu | this is my first time, so can share any last time proposal structure, just for reference ? |
11:45.37 | olly | harshu: most orgs provide a template |
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11:48.49 | VarunAgw_ | harshu, Many students also post them on their blog publicly. Google them |
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11:53.47 | harshu | thanks olly and VarunAgw_ |
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13:09.54 | ktchup | Hi! Is the summer of code for school students or are university students also allowed to participate? |
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13:10.28 | kblin | !eligible | ktchup |
13:10.29 | gsocbot | ktchup: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
13:10.50 | ktchup | cool thanks |
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13:11.22 | kragniz | they have all the answers |
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13:12.03 | gsocbot | kblin: "cookie" is omnomnom |
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13:22.02 | gsocbot | aerophile: "cookie" is omnomnom |
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13:22.46 | gsocbot | alhimik45: "google" is not the cosmic cash machine |
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16:59.44 | Tehmas | is any body online? :) |
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17:01.01 | kragniz | Tehmas: lots of people! |
17:01.47 | Tehmas | kragniz, thanks for replying. I needed some info if you don't mind. This is my first time participating in GSoC. |
17:02.05 | kragniz | !faq |
17:02.05 | gsocbot | kragniz: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
17:02.30 | kragniz | Tehmas: that link should help you with a lot of questions! |
17:02.50 | Tehmas | I read all that stuff :) |
17:02.59 | Tehmas | Just needed some different info. |
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17:03.27 | Tehmas | I'm actually a CS undergraduate student(4th Semester right now). |
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17:04.37 | Tehmas | The projects are way awesome. I have been looking at them since the mentor's list was announced. |
17:07.55 | Tehmas | I haven't worked on open-source projects before. I am having difficulty in understanding that what is the targeted experience of these projects? As they seem way different than what we receive in universities. |
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17:10.19 | kragniz | Tehmas: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
17:10.26 | Tehmas | Read that too |
17:10.34 | kragniz | heh |
17:10.43 | Tehmas | :) |
17:10.57 | kragniz | it depends on the org and the project |
17:11.25 | Tehmas | Yeah but they all completely different projects... |
17:11.34 | Tehmas | *all are |
17:11.37 | ujjwal | tehmas: I am also going to participate first time in gsoc |
17:11.45 | Tehmas | :) |
17:11.54 | ujjwal | tehmas: I will suggest just pick the org |
17:12.16 | ujjwal | which offer a project in language u are confortable in |
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17:15.06 | Tehmas | ujjwal, I do understand what you mean. I prefer C++ projects for myself but they all seem demanding much experience with other languages or with a specific library. |
17:16.00 | aviraldg | Tehmas: find a project you're interested in, hop onto their IRC channel and ask for help :) Learning a new language or getting used to a library isn't all that difficult. |
17:16.48 | ujjwal | tehmas: gsoc provide a timeline to learn those library |
17:17.16 | Tehmas | @_@ |
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17:17.30 | meflin | welcome to the real world with real code doing real stuff ;) jump in the water is fine ... and we dont bite that often ;) |
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17:18.08 | Tehmas | meflin, I now truly understand your words. :) |
17:18.22 | aviraldg | meflin: does core python really have no ideas yet? |
17:18.28 | meflin | aviraldg: yep |
17:18.34 | meflin | no mentors yet either :) |
17:18.50 | meflin | everyone is bussy it seems |
17:18.50 | aviraldg | aww :( |
17:18.57 | kragniz | meflin: heh |
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17:19.16 | downey | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KssfdGHU2M0/TsNm02oEY8I/AAAAAAAAAA0/r4wzN8HW-iY/s1600/gat.jpg |
17:19.17 | kragniz | Tehmas: yeah, just dive in! |
17:19.25 | meflin | a secret operative has been sent to infiltrate and fix that situation tho ;) |
17:19.37 | aviraldg | :) |
17:19.45 | Tehmas | Thanks! :) |
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17:21.45 | Tehmas | meflin, I got a reply from a mentor after 48 hours. I think they have started replying. |
17:21.54 | meflin | cool |
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17:23.14 | Tehmas | meflin, may I ask have you participated in gsoc before? |
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17:23.21 | Tehmas | :) |
17:23.28 | meflin | yep |
17:24.01 | Tehmas | How was your first time? (CURIOUS) |
17:24.12 | meflin | fun |
17:24.16 | meflin | never been a student tho |
17:24.17 | downey | !next |
17:24.24 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC |
17:24.41 | Tehmas | "never been a student tho"? |
17:24.57 | meflin | someone has to admin and mentor |
17:25.09 | Tehmas | oh |
17:25.38 | Tehmas | great |
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19:03.24 | abhiramr | Hi, I have a question about the OSPO umbrella projects. |
19:03.38 | abhiramr | Is there a criterion for selecting profs? |
19:04.23 | meflin | rare for OSPO to turn a project |
19:04.38 | meflin | most projects are with the orgs lists on melange |
19:04.57 | abhiramr | Say if I have some existing research? |
19:05.02 | meflin | if you a unicorn email ospo |
19:05.23 | scorche|sh | adam_vollrath: often times, it is your existing advisor |
19:05.32 | scorche|sh | errr... abhiramr: ^^ |
19:05.37 | abhiramr | meflin: an id or link? |
19:06.04 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: Yeah, the existing advisor - is there any criterion for the prof? Say - experience, etc? |
19:06.18 | meflin | ospo@google.com |
19:06.23 | abhiramr | meflin: +1 |
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19:06.41 | meflin | no idea ... its a rare thing |
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19:08.07 | scorche|sh | abhiramr: i dont really know enough to comment, but if the professor has enough experience to be your advisor, he/she is likely fine to be your mentor |
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19:08.45 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: Cool, thanks. I do realize the projects have a very low conversion rate. So I'd like to give my best. |
19:09.12 | scorche|sh | sure - if you have other specific questions, you might be best off emailing as meflin said |
19:09.14 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: meflin Any examples of previous projects under the OSPO umbrella? |
19:09.31 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: I'm writing a mail, now! |
19:09.32 | scorche|sh | you can see past events in melange |
19:09.39 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: Cool |
19:09.46 | meflin | I do not recall any ... there have been but I do not remember them :) |
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19:11.42 | scorche|sh | abhiramr: there were apparently 3 last yeas as can be seen here: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014 |
19:11.48 | scorche|sh | s/yeas/year/ |
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19:12.06 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: Haha, I am exactly on the same page. :) #coincidence |
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19:12.17 | meflin | huh more then I thought |
19:12.30 | abhiramr | thanks scorche|sh |
19:12.31 | scorche|sh | not much of a coincidence, as i directed you to look there ;) |
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19:12.41 | downey | abhiramr: fyi, hash tags don't work in IRC, things like #gsoc are channel (room) names :-) |
19:13.04 | abhiramr | downey: yes sir! |
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19:13.41 | abhiramr | scorche|sh: timing was precise. like synchronous! |
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19:16.28 | meflin | scorche|sh: #coincidence could be a fun channel tho :D |
19:18.38 | indrora | For those of you new to the "git rebase" pattern, this is a nice overview of git pull/merge vs git fetch & rebase: http://randyfay.com/content/rebase-workflow-git |
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19:21.10 | abhiramr | indrora: +1 |
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19:22.06 | indrora | I learned it somewhat the hard way this morning; a patch I submitted was 5 rounds of "Merge mainline with master and upstream" |
19:22.51 | indrora | I spent a good 20 minutes doing fancy git footwork to undo and cherry-pick some branches |
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19:32.28 | mohit | can anybody guide me into using this? |
19:32.39 | meflin | !faq |
19:32.39 | gsocbot | meflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
19:32.48 | meflin | start there |
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19:45.09 | chris_asl | Hello, is there anybody here? |
19:45.29 | meflin | nope the internet closed |
19:45.56 | chris_asl | this is sad |
19:46.03 | kragniz | it is, rather |
19:47.46 | meflin | rebates at set at .1-cent per packet |
19:47.53 | chris_asl | Anyhow, I am doing a presentation on GSOC for my university. The problem is that the exams of the summer semester finish on midJune, and I'm sure they're going to ask me about how can they participate, while studying for the exams, as well. How could I reply on this? |
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19:48.31 | meflin | by working very very hard ... it helps to talk to your org about schedualing issues |
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19:49.26 | chris_asl | Thanks for the reply! You mean the mentoring org they choose, right? |
19:49.33 | meflin | this issues are not uncommon ... planning and effort tend to make things work out |
19:49.35 | meflin | yes |
19:50.21 | chris_asl | Good good, glad to know that, thanks meflin! |
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19:52.29 | meflin | honest communication is the key, do not surprise you mentor with finals week ;) |
19:54.06 | chris_asl | Indeed! I'll be sure to emphasize it in the presentation ;) |
19:54.57 | meflin | on average 2.5 grandmothers die per gsoc student ( if you catch my drift ) that is not the path to sucess |
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19:58.09 | chris_asl | lol |
19:58.36 | chris_asl | it saddens me (for the grandmothers) :P |
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19:59.00 | meflin | the saddest is the .5 ;) |
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20:02.37 | kragniz | that's a lot of grandmother |
20:02.51 | kragniz | how do they cope! |
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20:03.13 | meflin | its universal grandmother Armageddon! |
20:03.23 | kragniz | oh noes! |
20:03.37 | kragniz | better look out for his grandmother this summer |
20:04.07 | meflin | oddly enough 3 isn't unknowns |
20:06.06 | downey | meflin: gsoc students seem to have unusually close relationships with their grandparents |
20:06.52 | meflin | downey: this program should be ended thing of the grandmothers |
20:06.57 | meflin | think |
20:07.30 | meflin | no code is worth 3 grandma's |
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20:17.20 | diadara | I didn't know that was an option |
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20:18.50 | indrora | Also for anyone who wants a "better" way to track remotes and their state in your tree, git up is what you want: http://aanandprasad.com/git-up/ |
20:19.30 | meflin | indrora: this is not a git channel stay on topic |
20:19.55 | kragniz | "git out!" - meflin |
20:20.00 | test12345__ | probably no time to participate in gsoc :( |
20:20.06 | meflin | kragniz: snicker :D |
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20:20.44 | indrora | meflin: Yes, but many of the projects are using Git, and there's probably a few people who are brand new to it. |
20:21.25 | meflin | and some use svn , scv, mecurial ... ect ect |
20:21.32 | meflin | this is not a general tech channel |
20:22.14 | test12345__ | the student will just force git onto the project |
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20:42.13 | Taelynn | Hey! I have a quick question. I work with, and teach Processing for data visualization and just found out they are a part of GSOC this year. I am in my last semester of my BFA in New Media right now. Does this mean I'm ineligible to apply? |
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20:43.27 | scorche|sh | Taelynn: the FAQ should answer your question |
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20:52.50 | velocity | anybody here who could help me? |
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20:53.17 | meflin | without an actual question . no |
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20:54.47 | velocity | lol, i want to start for Gsoc 2016 how should I proceed? |
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20:55.17 | meflin | !faq |
20:55.18 | gsocbot | meflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
20:55.29 | meflin | read that find an org that intersts you |
20:56.20 | test12345__ | wait a year |
20:56.23 | test12345__ | ;) |
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20:56.53 | velocity | k thanks! |
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23:39.43 | perepujal2 | Other than the student guide, is there some doc for writnig good proposals? |
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