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00:01.05valorieone of the skills that will be most valuable to you as a prospective GSoC student is doing your research
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00:16.53gsocbotdiamondhead: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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00:17.19gsocbotdiamondhead: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
00:17.44diamondhead:)
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00:18.02ollysometimes i wonder if we need a bot to spot when people type !log and get a useless response
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02:21.13ktchupanyone here?
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07:36.06agaurav77can someone suggest what project should i work on? everything is so overwhelming. i know a little bit of python and C (that's all - i dont know if i suffice)
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07:39.11valorieagaurav77: what do you love?
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07:39.35valorieor, what do you use that has a bug that drives you nuts?
07:40.37agaurav77valorie: i d like to do something in GTK
07:40.51agaurav77but i dont know anything about the libraries and usage
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07:41.08agaurav77i do know however that GTK apps are written in C C++
07:41.09valorieyou can start by searching on gtk tag then
07:41.20valorieC usually
07:41.25agaurav77okay i ll just search
07:41.27valorieC++ is usually Qt
07:41.53agaurav77ah... okay
07:42.13agaurav77i found out GNOME last night, and left a message on irc.gnome.org -> #gnome-love
07:42.18agaurav77but no one responded
07:42.27agaurav77i have a faint idea i can do this one
07:42.39valoriein their profile, I'm sure that they have a complete description
07:42.48valoriea link to their ideas page, etc.
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07:43.02agaurav77https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreach/SummerOfCode/2015/Ideas
07:43.05rumeshhi
07:43.17agaurav77adding a drive dialog to nautilus
07:43.40rumeshCan I know why opensuse is not listed under selected organizations yet?
07:44.03valorieI suggest trying in #gnome instead
07:44.18agaurav77okay, i ll do try
07:44.25valorierumesh: were they selected?
07:44.34agaurav77and come back
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07:45.08valorieagaurav77: excellent, just follow all the links on that page you found
07:45.13valorieand the advice
07:45.40valorieirc doesn't work like that
07:45.45agaurav77valorie: okay ill do
07:45.52valorieget a client, and hang out there for the duration
07:45.57valorieand here for that matter
07:46.05agaurav77i have irssi...
07:46.29valoriegreat, then you have space for unlimited chans
07:46.44agaurav77yeah..
07:46.57agaurav77i ll just try on #gnome then
07:46.58rumeshvalorie: They have been participating for the program for last couple of years. This time I didn't see them on the accepted list. Thats why I was wondering
07:47.15valoriemany orgs applied that were not accepted
07:47.29valorieand not everyone applied who has participated before
07:47.37valorieit is a LOT of work
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07:47.58valoriein KDE we've been taking fewer students so our mentors don't burn out
07:48.19rumeshoh is that so. Thanks for the info
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07:52.43agaurav77valorie : i guess it will take a while before they answer
07:52.57agaurav77in the meantime, i d like to ask a few things
07:53.33valorieensure that you've read all the links on the page you posted earlier
07:53.45valorieand whatever is in the /topic in #gnome
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07:54.24agaurav77the topic is the "GNOME - general"
07:54.30valorieah, OK
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07:54.46valorieyou can use alis to search for more
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07:54.53shreyanyone who did last year in android ?
07:55.00valorieit is /msg alis list *searchterm*
07:55.01agaurav77alis?
07:55.07agaurav77ah alright
07:55.11valoriea search bot for freenode
07:55.31agaurav77this searches the channels..?
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07:56.11valorieyes, channels and topics
07:56.24agaurav77ah.. thats cool
07:56.36valoriefor more, /msg alis help or --help
07:56.40valoriecan't recall which
07:57.24agaurav77is it freenode specific?
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07:59.33agaurav77yeah... didnt work on irc.gnome.org
07:59.55agaurav77sorry.. i didnt read that part (a search bot for freenode)
07:59.55rnikhil275How do I contact people in LabLua organisation ?. Many of the mentors havent specified their Email-Ids. Do they have an irc channel ?
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08:02.15thiagornikhil275: you're going to find that information on their website
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08:07.59rnikhil275Well not for everyone.
08:08.14rnikhil275Some mentor's email addresses are unavailable
08:09.51valoriewhich means that they want you to write to the list, and not to them
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08:10.04valorieI would say most mentors prefer that
08:10.18valoriesince FOSS works in teams
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08:13.17nurupothiago: are you mentoring anything this year? Subsurface?
08:13.57thiagonurupo: subsurface
08:14.41nurupoi see. i'm mentoring project tox, the same as last year
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08:19.16indrasi have a question about eligibility to apply for gsoc
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08:20.27indrasif a student has failed the gsoc project in a previous year, is he not eligible to apply for another gsoc project this year?
08:21.06thiagoI think you can reapply
08:21.17thiagobut the student's chances are really slim
08:21.35thiagowhy should the org choose someone who has failed once, when they have a good number of other proposals to choose from?
08:21.50nurupothere is nothing that says you can in FAQ https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
08:22.04nurupo*you can't
08:22.21indrasok thanks thiago, nurupo
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08:24.00valorieto me it would depend on the circumstances
08:24.06nurupoall students are free to apply for GSoC as long as they meet all eligibility requirements
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08:24.48nurupoit's just that if you try to apply for the same org, the org might try to avoid choosing you, from the past experience, as thiago said
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08:26.31hasasinHi! has anybody been able to contact AfSIS or got any response from them?
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10:09.56kblinsighs
10:10.00kblinthat git history
10:10.36kblin"detect problem x"->"fix problem x"->"fix the fix for problem x"
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10:11.13teepee--could be worse, I've seen entries like "bugfix" or "interim checkin" :)
10:11.18gevaertskblin: "figure out x wasn't actually a problem in the first place" :)
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10:11.38gevaerts"did some server stuff"
10:11.49gevaerts(seen just now at work)
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10:18.01kblingevaerts: well, this is my git history. I know that my most important collaborator is myself, 6 months ago.
10:18.14kblinand my past self doesn't answer to emails
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10:18.42kblinso I know that "do stuff" doesn't help me a couple of months down the road
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10:19.25sitichttps://xkcd.com/1296/
10:19.51gevaertskblin: ah, one of those :)
10:20.45kblinI had a problem where some files generated from some other file were outdated
10:21.02kblinI fixed it in our production site, and then added some code to detect this
10:21.26kblinbasically just a warning and early abort if the code found this
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10:22.59kblinthen I realized the problem was that due to ubuntu 14.04 on the development machines vs. debian stable on the productions servers, I had to add a patch that'd keep the file these other files were generated from with some local changes
10:23.34kblinso in future, every "git rebase origin/master" would cause my "are the generated files outdated" check to raise the alarm
10:23.53kblinbeing properly lazy, I wrote some code to regenerate the files
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10:24.15kblinthat was "fix for x"
10:24.27gevaertsSounds like fun
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10:24.36kblinI already had code for autogenerating the files when missing
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10:25.12kblinbut, either deletion or generation were running, not both
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10:25.40kblinmy tests were just running the checks, so this broke in real-life, when after deleting the outdated files, I wanted to actually use them
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10:26.03kblincode for generating them was there, but dead (misplaced "break" in a loop)
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10:31.20darnirHow about "Revert this commit before merging!"
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10:31.47darnirThis in my production repo
10:32.07kblinyay
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11:33.22harshudoes student proposal need to contain students cv ?
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11:34.17dranzerit depends on the org
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11:34.24gevaertsHard to say. Back when I looked at proposals I mostly skipped CV-like bits
11:34.33gevaertsBut that doesn't mean others do
11:35.04gevaertsI'd say if it's not clear whether the org wants that sort of thing or not, it can't hurt to include a short CV
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11:37.27Valodimwhat's very helpful are related projects you worked on
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11:39.50darnirI think your best option is to directly ask the org
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11:40.22darnirPersonally, I skip all CV like bits.
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11:41.37VarunAgw_Are we having payoneer this year too?
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11:41.46VarunAgw_!payment
11:41.46gsocbotVarunAgw_: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentpaymentcards
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11:42.14VarunAgw_!forget payment
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11:42.20fishbowlTor has always asked for a cv-like thing. But not complete or anything, only as it pertains to acquiring the skills necessary to complete the project
11:42.21VarunAgw_!learn payment as http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards
11:42.21gsocbotVarunAgw_: "payment" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards
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11:44.10harshuthis is my first time, so can share any last time proposal structure, just for reference ?
11:45.37ollyharshu: most orgs provide a template
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11:48.49VarunAgw_harshu, Many students also post them on their blog publicly. Google them
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11:53.47harshuthanks olly and VarunAgw_
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13:09.54ktchupHi! Is the summer of code for school students or are university students also allowed to participate?
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13:10.28kblin!eligible | ktchup
13:10.29gsocbotktchup: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on
13:10.50ktchupcool thanks
13:11.14kragnizpets gsocbot
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13:11.22kragnizthey have all the answers
13:12.02kblin!cookie
13:12.03gsocbotkblin: "cookie" is omnomnom
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13:22.02aerophile!cookie
13:22.02gsocbotaerophile: "cookie" is omnomnom
13:22.46alhimik45!google
13:22.46gsocbotalhimik45: "google" is not the cosmic cash machine
13:23.11alhimik45!facebook
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16:59.44Tehmasis any body online? :)
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17:01.01kragnizTehmas: lots of people!
17:01.47Tehmaskragniz, thanks for replying. I needed some info if you don't mind. This is my first time participating in GSoC.
17:02.05kragniz!faq
17:02.05gsocbotkragniz: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
17:02.30kragnizTehmas: that link should help you with a lot of questions!
17:02.50TehmasI read all that stuff :)
17:02.59TehmasJust needed some different info.
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17:03.27TehmasI'm actually a CS undergraduate student(4th Semester right now).
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17:04.37TehmasThe projects are way awesome. I have been looking at them since the mentor's list was announced.
17:07.55TehmasI haven't worked on open-source projects before. I am having difficulty in understanding that what is the targeted experience of these projects? As they seem way different than what we receive in universities.
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17:10.19kragnizTehmas: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/
17:10.26TehmasRead that too
17:10.34kragnizheh
17:10.43Tehmas:)
17:10.57kragnizit depends on the org and the project
17:11.25TehmasYeah but they all completely different projects...
17:11.34Tehmas*all are
17:11.37ujjwaltehmas: I am also going to participate first time in gsoc
17:11.45Tehmas:)
17:11.54ujjwaltehmas: I will suggest just pick the org
17:12.16ujjwalwhich offer a project in language u are confortable in
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17:15.06Tehmasujjwal, I do understand what you mean. I prefer C++ projects for myself but they all seem demanding much experience with other languages or with a specific library.
17:16.00aviraldgTehmas: find a project you're interested in, hop onto their IRC channel and ask for help :) Learning a new language or getting used to a library isn't all that difficult.
17:16.48ujjwaltehmas: gsoc provide a timeline to learn those library
17:17.16Tehmas@_@
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17:17.30meflinwelcome to the real world with real code doing real stuff ;) jump in the water is fine ... and we dont bite that often ;)
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17:18.08Tehmasmeflin, I now truly understand your words. :)
17:18.22aviraldgmeflin: does core python really have no ideas yet?
17:18.28meflinaviraldg: yep
17:18.34meflinno mentors yet either :)
17:18.50meflineveryone is bussy it seems
17:18.50aviraldgaww :(
17:18.57kragnizmeflin: heh
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17:19.16downeyhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KssfdGHU2M0/TsNm02oEY8I/AAAAAAAAAA0/r4wzN8HW-iY/s1600/gat.jpg
17:19.17kragnizTehmas: yeah, just dive in!
17:19.25meflina secret operative has been sent to infiltrate and fix that situation tho ;)
17:19.37aviraldg:)
17:19.45TehmasThanks! :)
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17:21.45Tehmasmeflin, I got a reply from a mentor after 48 hours. I think they have started replying.
17:21.54meflincool
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17:23.14Tehmasmeflin, may I ask have you participated in gsoc before?
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17:23.21Tehmas:)
17:23.28meflinyep
17:24.01TehmasHow was your first time? (CURIOUS)
17:24.12meflinfun
17:24.16meflinnever been a student tho
17:24.17downey!next
17:24.24gsocbotdowney: "next" is IRC feedback meeting for rejected organizations on March 6th at 16:00 UTC
17:24.41Tehmas"never been a student tho"?
17:24.57meflinsomeone has to admin and mentor
17:25.09Tehmasoh
17:25.38Tehmasgreat
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19:03.24abhiramrHi, I have a question about the  OSPO umbrella projects.
19:03.38abhiramrIs there a criterion for selecting profs?
19:04.23meflinrare for OSPO to turn a project
19:04.38meflinmost projects are with the orgs lists on melange
19:04.57abhiramrSay if I have some existing research?
19:05.02meflinif you a unicorn email ospo
19:05.23scorche|shadam_vollrath: often times, it is your existing advisor
19:05.32scorche|sherrr... abhiramr: ^^
19:05.37abhiramrmeflin: an id or link?
19:06.04abhiramrscorche|sh: Yeah, the existing advisor - is there any criterion for the prof? Say - experience, etc?
19:06.18meflinospo@google.com
19:06.23abhiramrmeflin: +1
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19:06.41meflinno idea ... its a rare thing
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19:08.07scorche|shabhiramr: i dont really know enough to comment, but if the professor has enough experience to be your advisor, he/she is likely fine to be your mentor
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19:08.45abhiramrscorche|sh: Cool, thanks. I do realize the projects have a very low conversion rate. So I'd like to give my best.
19:09.12scorche|shsure - if you have other specific questions, you might be best off emailing as meflin said
19:09.14abhiramrscorche|sh: meflin  Any examples of previous projects under the OSPO umbrella?
19:09.31abhiramrscorche|sh: I'm writing a mail, now!
19:09.32scorche|shyou can see past events in melange
19:09.39abhiramrscorche|sh: Cool
19:09.46meflinI do not recall any ... there have been but I do not remember them :)
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19:11.42scorche|shabhiramr: there were apparently 3 last yeas as can be seen here: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014
19:11.48scorche|shs/yeas/year/
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19:12.06abhiramrscorche|sh: Haha, I am exactly on the same page. :) #coincidence
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19:12.17meflinhuh more then I thought
19:12.30abhiramrthanks scorche|sh
19:12.31scorche|shnot much of a coincidence, as i directed you to look there  ;)
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19:12.41downeyabhiramr: fyi, hash tags don't work in IRC, things like #gsoc are channel (room) names :-)
19:13.04abhiramrdowney: yes sir!
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19:13.41abhiramrscorche|sh: timing was precise. like synchronous!
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19:16.28meflinscorche|sh: #coincidence could be a fun channel tho :D
19:18.38indroraFor those of you new to the "git rebase" pattern, this is a nice overview of git pull/merge vs git fetch & rebase: http://randyfay.com/content/rebase-workflow-git
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19:22.06indroraI learned it somewhat the hard way this morning; a patch I submitted was 5 rounds of "Merge mainline with master and upstream"
19:22.51indroraI spent a good 20 minutes doing fancy git footwork to undo and cherry-pick some branches
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19:32.28mohitcan anybody guide me into using this?
19:32.39meflin!faq
19:32.39gsocbotmeflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
19:32.48meflinstart there
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19:45.09chris_aslHello, is there anybody here?
19:45.29meflinnope the internet closed
19:45.56chris_aslthis is sad
19:46.03kragnizit is, rather
19:47.46meflinrebates at set at .1-cent per packet
19:47.53chris_aslAnyhow, I am doing a presentation on GSOC for my university. The problem is that the exams of the summer semester finish on midJune, and I'm sure they're going to ask me about how can they participate, while studying for the exams, as well. How could I reply on this?
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19:48.31meflinby working very very hard ... it helps to talk to your org about schedualing issues
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19:49.26chris_aslThanks for the reply! You mean the mentoring org they choose, right?
19:49.33meflinthis issues are not uncommon ... planning and effort tend to make things work out
19:49.35meflinyes
19:50.21chris_aslGood good, glad to know that, thanks meflin!
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19:52.29meflinhonest communication is the key, do not surprise you mentor with finals week ;)
19:54.06chris_aslIndeed! I'll be sure to emphasize it in the presentation ;)
19:54.57meflinon average  2.5 grandmothers die per gsoc student ( if you catch my drift ) that is not the path to sucess
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19:58.09chris_asllol
19:58.36chris_aslit saddens me (for the grandmothers) :P
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19:59.00meflinthe saddest is the .5 ;)
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20:02.37kragnizthat's a lot of grandmother
20:02.51kragnizhow do they cope!
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20:03.13meflinits universal grandmother Armageddon!
20:03.23kragnizoh noes!
20:03.37kragnizbetter look out for his grandmother this summer
20:04.07meflinoddly enough 3 isn't unknowns
20:06.06downeymeflin: gsoc students seem to have unusually close relationships with their grandparents
20:06.52meflindowney: this program should be ended thing of the grandmothers
20:06.57meflinthink
20:07.30meflinno code is worth 3 grandma's
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20:17.20diadaraI didn't know that was an option
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20:18.50indroraAlso for anyone who wants a "better" way to track remotes and their state in your tree, git up is what you want: http://aanandprasad.com/git-up/
20:19.30meflinindrora: this is not a git channel stay on topic
20:19.55kragniz"git out!" - meflin
20:20.00test12345__probably no time to participate in gsoc :(
20:20.06meflinkragniz: snicker :D
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20:20.44indrorameflin: Yes, but many of the projects are using Git, and there's probably a few people who are brand new to it.
20:21.25meflinand some use svn , scv, mecurial ... ect ect
20:21.32meflinthis is not a general tech channel
20:22.14test12345__the student will just force git onto the project
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20:42.13TaelynnHey! I have a quick question. I work with, and teach Processing for data visualization and just found out they are a part of GSOC this year. I am in my last semester of my BFA in New Media right now. Does this mean I'm ineligible to apply?
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20:43.27scorche|shTaelynn: the FAQ should answer your question
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20:52.50velocityanybody here who could help me?
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20:53.17meflinwithout an actual question . no
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20:54.47velocitylol, i want to start for Gsoc 2016 how should I proceed?
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20:55.17meflin!faq
20:55.18gsocbotmeflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
20:55.29meflinread that find an org that intersts you
20:56.20test12345__wait a year
20:56.23test12345__;)
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20:56.53velocityk thanks!
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23:39.43perepujal2Other than the student guide, is there some doc for writnig good proposals?
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