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01:11.53Drunkin_GamezHello
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01:13.08gsoc718Is anyone here to answer questions?
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01:13.49Drunkin_Gamezi don't know...
01:14.31gsoc718Well, that was helpful. I was wondering if there were any known projects that are accepting multiple students for one project?
01:16.11downeyAnyone here attending FOSSASIA?
01:16.42gsoc718i dont know...
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01:21.37downeygsoc718: I'm not even sure that's allowed?
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01:27.55gsoc718whay!
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01:34.10downeyWhat's definitely not allowed is to have two students working together on a project.
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01:38.20ollyindeed - the rules do allow them working independently on the same project, but I don't know anyone from the org side who thinks that's really a good idea
01:39.08ollyeither one student's code is going to get thrown away, or else there's going to need to be a messy merge of two separate implementations of the same thing
01:39.34ollygsoc718: but you should read the FAQ - it covers this
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01:46.27valoriegsoc718: there was a project that wanted student teams, but different than GSoC
01:47.09valorieit was specifically to be done within colleges where mentors and student teams would work together onsite
01:47.24valoriefar different than GSoC, and not sponsored by Google
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09:40.21ssk_Hi, I am electrical engineering student and would like to know projects in the electronics domain. I have looked up Beagleboard, I want to know if there are any more organizations in the electronics open source world.
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09:44.15teepee--ssk_: there's at least lowRISC, probably much more lowlevel though
09:45.42amitmnhello everyone
09:46.03amitmnis anyone interested in working on CERN projects?
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09:49.05abc_hello
09:49.49teepee--abc_: hi!
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10:11.51ssk_<teepee--> Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely look into them
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10:14.28ali7293hi, i was looking for the person who is going to mentor copyleft games, original games section
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10:15.52|Kev|ali7293: You should join the copyleft games channel for that.
10:16.00|Kev|Which I *think* is #copyleftgames.
10:16.21|Kev|Indeed, seems I'm right.
10:16.22ali7293ok thanks kev
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10:17.26ssk_What is the IRC channel for lowRISC ?
10:18.13Derp_Hey,
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10:19.01Derp_Student Applications - March 16 - 17 Community Bonding soon - March 27 - April 27 Community Bonding  -  April 27 - May 25   Could you please tell me what happens in each part of the program, when do we know that we are selected? When do we interact with them, and when is the deadline for submission ?
10:19.20Valodimhave you read the gsoc students guide?
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10:19.42Derp_is it this one ? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide
10:20.02darnirYes
10:20.06darnirYes
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10:21.34Derp_I can't find that information there ? Can you please send the link where i can find the information like what happens during each part of timeline ?
10:21.40Derp_Thanks in Advance !
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11:01.29iptopAnyone getting any replies from Scorelab organisation ?
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11:01.38iptopI mailed them, no reply came
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11:02.44iptopThey reply to people who post from their own college only. Can they do that ?. Isn't it supposed to be open for all ?
11:03.12iptopDo i have a chanve there ?. Should I stop trying for them ?. Suggestion ?
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11:07.28iptopAnybody online?
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11:07.41iptopSome help
11:08.07teepee--online, yes. not sure I understand the question though
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11:08.29iptopThey are focus on students only from their own college
11:08.35iptopuniversity*
11:08.51iptopin mail list and group
11:08.56teepee--just to be sure... we are talking about gsoc project?
11:08.57iptopCan they do that ?
11:09.02iptopYes
11:09.10iptopGsoc projects only
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11:09.47iptopShould I continue try for them ?
11:10.29teepee--hmm, that sounds strange, gsoc student selection should be only based on the proposal submitted
11:10.51iptopNo no. They reply in groups only to their own college students
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11:12.58gevaertsiptop: if you're really seeing that, I'd recommend contacting carols directly about it
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11:13.58teepee--iptop: so you posted on their mailing list about gsoc and they ignored you?
11:14.10iptopno reply ca,e
11:14.14iptopcame*
11:14.26teepee--did you try their irc channel?
11:14.44teepee--mail answers can take some time
11:14.58teepee--(well, so can IRC answers, timezones and such :)
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11:15.31iptopok
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11:16.15teepee--but if it really gets obvious that they prefer their known people, then I agree with gevaerts, discuss later with carols
11:16.24gevaertsnods
11:16.30teepee--she runs the project and can get official statements
11:16.43iptopokay... i will contact him. is carols active on irc ?
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11:17.05gevaertsher :)
11:17.22gevaertsShe's usually on irc during california business hours, yes
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11:17.43gevaertsBut you can just email, carols at google dot com
11:17.49iptopokay... i am not able to find her on irc
11:17.59iptopokay
11:18.00iptopthanks
11:18.44gevaertsOf course there's always the usual advice: if you think something is wrong with an organisation, by all means try to help fix it or report it, but definitely look for another organisation as well
11:19.32iptopsure.. i will do that.. thanks gevaerts
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13:25.37shashank19gauravI already have implemented the thumbnail thing. It just scans the folder and displays all the screenshots.
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13:38.50Dr-ShadowHi, I couldn't find what kind of payment is provided by Google to students
13:39.05Dr-ShadowIs it an internship ?
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13:40.17endleDr-Shadow, last year, Payoneer is used
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13:46.03Dr-ShadowErm my question was about the taxes
13:46.22Dr-Shadowfor a non US resident
13:46.57endleDr-Shadow, I'm a non US resident too
13:47.32endleYou'll need to sign a form, to prove that you're a non US resident, then Google will care nothing about the tax issues
13:48.28endleThen you need to handle the tax issues yourself depending on the rules in your country
13:49.19Dr-ShadowOk so the paiement wont be considered like an internship ?
13:50.06Valodimdoes it make a difference?
13:50.11endleI'm not sure
13:50.13Valodimit is primarily 'income'
13:50.18gevaertsDr-Shadow: you're asking tax advice from random strangers on the internet. Are you sure that's a good idea?
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13:50.44endleAgree with gevaerts
13:51.01Dr-ShadowOk ty Valodim
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13:51.42Dr-ShadowI'm asking what king of payment it would be because I will have to care about the tax issues :)
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13:53.23Valodimit's very likely tax laws in your country don't care about the method of payment
13:53.29blast007Dr-Shadow: you would need to speak with a local tax professional
13:54.58endle+1
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13:55.10endleIt is different in different regions
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13:58.54Dr-ShadowI understood I should consider this like an income and not a payment for an internship. This is just what I wanted to know. There is allowances too...
13:59.46sssHello, any org has python based projects which mentors might be expecting students?
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14:06.11sssmentors or any org here?
14:08.20blast007sss: did you check the organization list and filter on the keyword 'python'?
14:09.29sssblast007: ya I did that, but I know its too late to try, that's why I'm asking if any mentor expecting students and didn't have so I can try that project
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14:10.14blast007sss: I don't know what you mean by "too late to try"
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14:10.55sssI means most of the project are being already acquire by students, that's what
14:11.29blast007why would you think that?  the student applications haven't even opened yet.
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14:13.27sssblast007: ya but they will always be ahead of me since they started first
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14:14.00sssI would be very easy if any project is very important for org but got no one to apply
14:14.04sssIt*
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14:14.49ValodimI'm not sure 'hi i'm here to fill the gaps' is a very good approach
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14:16.01sssValodim: hello, are you mentor?
14:16.09Valodimyes
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14:16.22dhanushsss: its not late at all. There's still plenty of time. Look up some orgs that interests you, and ask them instead.
14:16.23sssfor which org?
14:16.28Valodimdid you check the timeline? applications start only next week
14:16.29dhanushchances are something will come up.
14:16.34darnirI would be extremely skeptical of any student who tried to slip through the cracks to get a project.
14:17.06sssdhanush: that's what I doing, but instead of searching, asking here
14:18.01Valodimif you are expecting a shortcut, there isn't one
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14:18.30sssI just mean that org list were opened from 3rd march, since then many students are been trying hard that it might be difficult for me to create a better proposal, I know applications are not opened yet
14:19.19Valodimso what other advice than "try your best" were you looking for?
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14:20.57sss_!logs
14:20.57gsocbotsss_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
14:21.42sss_can't I get to see latest logs?
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14:21.54blast007they are posted every 24 hours
14:22.19sss_ohh
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14:23.50sss_valorie: I know there aren't any shortcut, but may be if I try for the org where less students are involved will be good for me
14:24.49blast007sss_: try for a project that would actually *interest* you and you could be passionate about because that would show through your interactions with the project and on the proposal
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14:25.50sss_blast007: I've trying for 3 days, but ultimately found out that some else was working for more than 1 months on that
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14:25.58blast007so?
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14:26.47sss_blast007: so I pretty much no chance infront of him
14:27.15blast007well not with that attitude
14:27.51sss_blast007: I participated last year and the project on which I was working other 4 students were alse, but ultimately they got rejected because I was try from initial day
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14:28.20|Kev|"They got here first" is not something I've ever seen in GSoC.
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14:28.55Dr-ShadowIs there any org with a project for porting a unix distro to a smartphone ?
14:29.50Dr-ShadowI found projects related to android for freeBSD and debian but I wonder if I missed some others.
14:30.07sss_|Kev|: may project involve micro-bugs, by the time I'll done with one, others will be done with proposals
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14:30.43|Kev|How long until the deadline?
14:30.55sss_13 days left
14:31.02gevaerts|Kev|: now don't *you* start! ;)
14:31.50|Kev|sss_: And it'll take you 13 days to fix a bug (or whatever other teaser). I think orgs expect these to be a couple of hours. My org's guideline is 'no more than an afternoon'.
14:31.51sss_ok, I'm now
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14:32.00|Kev|?
14:32.03|Kev|gevaerts: :D
14:32.03sss_thanks for motivating though
14:32.33sss_|Kev|: ok, which org?
14:32.49sss_|Kev|: Can I talk to you 1hr. latter?
14:34.00|Kev|Find an org based on projects that excite you, not based on who talks to you in here :)
14:34.12|Kev|(Although I /guess/ there are worse criteria)
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14:58.17iptopWhen will google update the Google-melange FAQ ?
14:59.34meflinmelange is an open source project
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15:13.08MatthewWilkesiptop: What's missing from it?
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15:31.08iptopMattheWilkes: One example is that, the FAQ says that it will take the number of organisations from last year, which sure didnt happen.
15:31.48iptopAlso, it says that, new orgs will get only one or two slots
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15:31.59iptopthis time around 40% is new orgs
15:32.20iptopand around a 20-25% dip in org numbers
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15:32.51gevaertsiptop: it *is* a similar number!
15:32.55iptopThat means a mega dip in the students also
15:33.02iptopSimliar. 197, 137
15:33.07meflinboo hoo
15:33.12gevaertsIn both 2014 and 2015, the number was a positive integer!
15:33.14iptopThere is a considerable difference
15:33.24gevaertsAll the faq says is it won't suddenly be a complex number
15:33.57gevaertsAnyway, I see exactly *zero* indication about the number of slots this yet
15:33.58gevaerts*year
15:34.01iptopWhat about slots for new orgs
15:34.05gevaertsNeither positive nore negative
15:34.15iptopthere is a hyperlink somewhere in the page
15:34.20iptopI dont seem to find it now
15:34.40ROI_Hi everyone! I'm Dr Roijals and I will be mentoring the project: "Toolboxing network complexity for connectomes: New code for big samples in C-PAC", with the International Neuroinformatics
15:34.44iptopit says that the new orgs get a mazimum of two slots
15:34.49gevaertsSo?
15:34.56ROI_if you see me here, you can make me questions about the project
15:35.15meflinROI_: that is off topic this is gsoc general ... make your own channel to do project work
15:35.18iptopso less number of students right ?
15:35.21gevaertsWhy?
15:35.45iptopless orgs-new orgs-less slots
15:35.52gevaertsdoesn't see that
15:35.57iptopdoesnt that mean less students also ?
15:36.02gevaertsThe only *real* trend I've seen the last few years is a push towards umbrella organisations
15:36.16gevaertsWhich means fewer but larger organisations from the google point of view
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15:36.35gevaertsBasically distributing the workload
15:36.45iptopall i am worried about is the number of studens they will take
15:37.03iptopwhich will be considerabke less than last year
15:37.17iptopu got that right ?
15:37.23gevaertsu?
15:37.24blast007you're making an assumption
15:37.27gevaerts*will* be?
15:37.30gevaertsHow do you know?
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15:38.49iptopthe faq says so.
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15:39.21iptopless orgs this time- more new orgs this time- new orgs get less slots- less slots implies less number of students
15:39.30iptopnow ?
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15:39.56gevaerts*all* new orgs would imply fewer slots with the two slot thing, yes
15:40.13gevaertsBut as far as I can see, a lot of the orgs in gsoc are *not* new
15:40.20iptopmany new orgs this time
15:40.30gevaertsmany is not the same as all, or even most
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15:40.49iptopactually.. this time they rejected a lot of prominent orgs to make space for new orgs
15:41.10iptopjoomla, linux foundation, etc
15:41.38gevaerts*still* hasn't seen a convincing argument for this fewer slots theyory
15:41.52blast007iptop: speculation on this is a bit pointless..  how about we just wait and see?
15:42.02iptopand btw why did they take only 137 this time..
15:42.09gevaertsWe do not know, and as far as I can see there are no proper indications either way
15:42.13iptopwhy the dip in the otherwise increasing graph ?
15:42.28gevaertsDid you read what I said about umbrella organisations earlier?
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15:42.37iptopok
15:42.49iptopyes i did
15:42.49gevaertsThat's, as far as I can see, the most likely reason
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15:43.27gevaertsWe'll know for sure in a bit more than a month. Before that, speculation won't achieve much
15:43.59iptopfine fine
15:44.02iptopalright
15:44.12_flow_ROI_: that's a terriable long name for an irc channel. May I suggest you try a shorter one?
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15:46.15iptopwhat is carols's gmail id ?
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15:46.44downeyiptop: carols at google
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15:53.39iptopI mailed her regarding the problem with the scorelab community
15:53.44iptopThanks for the advice
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15:55.18meflinI do not recall you mentioning any problem
15:56.06iptopplease see the logs
15:56.18meflinnope
15:56.23meflinbeen here all morning
15:56.56gevaertssaw it :)
15:58.07MatthewWilkesiptop: Are you the org admin for scoreless?
15:58.17MatthewWilkesscorelab, sorry, autocorrect
15:58.51iptopno.. just an interested student
15:59.55meflinah I see just before I woke up
16:00.18meflinthey do not have to talk to you untill student selection opens ... but then yes they do
16:00.34meflinits possible there is no one home at this time ( vacations and such )
16:01.02iptopbut they are responding to others.. only their own college students
16:01.12meflincarols is the place to go
16:01.26iptopI mailed her
16:01.30meflinand no that is not allowed
16:01.36iptopHope she looks into it
16:01.42iptopok
16:01.44meflinshe will :)
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16:06.37toad_is there any limit on the number of applications a student can make? this does not appear to be in the FAQ
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16:07.30asy5 IIRC
16:07.46meflinand that many is a bad bad idea
16:07.57meflinquality i the thing
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16:10.27gevaertstoad_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one
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16:28.33agliodbsis there anyone here who can speak to moving old student projects off of Google Code?
16:29.27meflinother then pull .. the commit elsewhere no idea
16:29.46MatthewWilkesIf you still have the org admins around for that period they can migrate them
16:30.14gevaertsThe question is if it's worth it
16:30.15MatthewWilkescarols has said that they're looking in to what they can do for those people that don't, but as merlin says you can always download manually
16:30.36meflingevaerts: yes the MOST DESIRABLE CODE is over there
16:30.39agliodbsMatthewWilkes: we do, I was admin during that perioud
16:30.46gevaertsIf it's an actual self-sufficient codebase, sure
16:30.55meflinMatthewWilkes: merlin .. snif sob
16:30.59gevaertsBut those tarballs with patches some poeple have?
16:31.06MatthewWilkesmeflin: I can't stop my mac autocorrecting things
16:31.08MatthewWilkesIt's REALLY annoying
16:31.18meflinheh mine does that as well
16:31.26MatthewWilkesIf anyone can tell me how to fix it I'll buy them a pint
16:31.27agliodbsgevaerts: some of these projects contain partitially implemented ideas, and sometimes we have new students pick up incomplete old projects and complete them
16:31.29MatthewWilkesSeriously.
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16:31.44agliodbsso AFAIC, they're valuable enough to spend 5 minutes each on
16:31.50MatthewWilkesagliodbs: You should have had an email from google code about how to use to automatic github and source forge importers
16:31.51gevaertsYes, that's useful
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16:32.50MatthewWilkesagliodbs: tl;dr: https://code.google.com/export-to-github/
16:32.56MatthewWilkesExcept it's overloaded atm
16:33.00agliodbsMatthewWilkes: yeah, it just wasn't clear that I have permissions.
16:33.22agliodbsalso, oddly, it doesn't mention the individual projects, just the GSOC meta-projects
16:33.33agliodbsbut i'll poke around.  expect me back here looking for help ;-)
16:34.08agliodbsin fact, this summer we're going to have a student completing an incomplete project
16:34.19agliodbs(which turned out to be much harder than the mentor & student originally thought)
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16:34.44meflinproject : move all our old stuff to new stuff :\
16:34.58|Kev|Surely you mean "Thus summer we might have..."?
16:35.35|Kev|Unless you've already somehow ranked the not-yet-applied students.
16:35.48agliodbsthe big problem is making sure I remember to do this since we have until august
16:36.17agliodbs|Kev|: yeah, it's possible that the student(s) in question could go astray before the application time
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16:36.55agliodbs|Kev|: but we've pretty much had students pitching on our development list, so the impression I get is that some of them are selected already as long as they follow-through and qualify
16:37.00agliodbsnote that I'm NOT a mentor this year
16:37.03meflinagliodbs: you could also end up in the worst possible gsoc situation ... more excelent students then slots
16:37.08agliodbsso I don't know for sure
16:37.17agliodbsmeflin: that is not a bad situation
16:37.26agliodbsbesides, it
16:37.27meflinyes it is :)
16:37.33agliodbsit sure beats the alternative
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16:38.08agliodbsanyway, it's a situation we're used to.  we have a hard time finding mentors, so we usually have more good students than slots
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16:38.44meflinI've had that problem as well ... both are non-good ;)
16:38.49agliodbsI'm pretty sure that Google would offer us 1 or 2 more slots if we could take them; we've had higher in the past.  but we don't ask for slots we can't mentor effectively.
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16:39.39agliodbswhen we dropped from 7 to 4 slots, our "disappearing mentor" problem went away, and I'm sure Thom wants to keep it that way.
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16:40.10meflingood call ... try "disappearing sub org" ;)
16:40.16agliodbsmeflin: !!!
16:40.22agliodbsmeflin: mind you, we had that too
16:40.26meflinwhole sub weent poof mid season
16:40.29|Kev|agliodbs: I'd dearly hope it's not the case than any orgs have preselected students at this stage. Have current favourites, sure, but it's too early for decisions to have been made.
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16:40.34agliodbsbut, fortunately, before acceptance
16:40.52agliodbs|Kev|: see above about me not being part of the voting this year
16:41.06|Kev|meflin: That's...impressive. Hasn't happened to us yet, but it might.
16:41.14agliodbsmeflin: what project are you?
16:41.20|Kev|agliodbs: You not being responsible doesn't change my opinion on that :)
16:41.31meflinthat was Python .. I'm also with minowboard.org this year
16:41.57meflinbefore my time but I have standby mentors just for that case
16:42.14agliodbs|Kev|: it just means that I'm not speaking authoritatively, since I don't actually know how the voting is going
16:42.44agliodbsclearly, since I didn't know that it hadn't started yet
16:43.21|Kev|Fair.
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16:46.04agliodbsmeflin: I'm so glad I never Admin'd one of the big meta-projects
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16:46.12agliodbsI think it would drive me bananas
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16:53.15|Kev|Just the small umbrellas is hard enough.
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16:56.54agliodbs|Kev|: well, I handle payment processing for SPI, and that's an RPITA
16:57.09agliodbs|Kev|: I'm *still* trying to pay back some mentors from GSOC2014
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16:59.29sss_|Kev|: Hello, Are there any python based projects in your org.?
17:01.55|Kev|agliodbs: Ah. We just don't pay mentors :)
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17:02.18agliodbs|Kev|: GSOC summit
17:02.19|Kev|sss_: Yes.
17:02.23|Kev|agliodbs: Ah, right.
17:02.49|Kev|After 8 years of on/off mentor/adminning I've still yet to have a year I could make it.
17:05.04sss_|Kev|: does your org has projects which I can work on?
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17:07.09carolsserves some tea and coffee
17:07.39downeymmm, tea
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17:09.41|Kev|sss_: We haven't decided on any students yet, if that's what you mean (we couldn't have, we don't know how many slots we'll have, or what applications we'll receive)
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17:11.40sss_|Kev|: I'm just asking as if your org has any project in which the participation of student is not much and is very important for your, so that I can contribute to that project
17:11.54sss_your org*
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17:12.41carolssss_: student participation is equally important for all gsoc projects.
17:12.45carolsmaybe i’m missing something?
17:13.19|Kev|sss_: All the projects are about student participation. Some are more /difficult/ than others, but they all involve participation. I'm not sure if you're asking for an easy ride to get paid or something.
17:13.38iptopcarols: Can you please look at the mail I sent you ?. It's regarding an organization
17:13.55iptopnot taking people from outisde their university
17:13.59carolsiptop: i look at all mail that’s sent to me when I’m able.
17:14.04|Kev|sss_: But I'm generally not interested in students asking for the easiest way to get paid. I want students excited to work with our projects.
17:14.08carolsiptop: no organizations are taking any students right now
17:14.13carolsapplications haven’t opened
17:14.25iptopThey are responding to people who are from their own university only
17:14.26iptopokay..
17:14.27iptopfine
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17:14.33iptopwill wait for the application period
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17:14.47carolscheers
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17:15.24|Kev|iptop: Remember that if you think than an org isn't a good fit for you, you can look elsewhere.
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17:28.52kshitijSharmaIf someone want to propose his idea in Google Open Source Programs Office, should it be discussed here first or one has to directly submit a proposal?
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17:30.23carolskshitijSharma: you should already have a research project and an advisor as per the rules, and then just submit the proposal
17:30.28carolsno need to discuss it here
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17:32.58kshitijSharmaThanks carols, just wanted to confirm that.
17:33.04carolscheers
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17:33.12barbadoHi there. Can I submit distinct applications to different mentoring organizations?
17:34.18carolsbarbado: sure, if you like
17:34.24carolsquality is always better than quantity
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17:36.48|Kev|barbado: Orgs usually like to know students before an application appears from them, so it does mean putting in the legwork to get to know two communities, submit patches etc. It's more work, but allowed.
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17:38.06barbadocarols: Yes, I agree. It's just that I've been informally talking about GSoC with mentoring parties, and wow, so many wonderful works being done.
17:38.37carolsbarbado: indeed, i agree
17:38.50carolsalways an embarassment of riches with the gsoc orgs
17:39.33barbado|Kev|: Thanks for the tip :-)
17:40.00agliodbsbarbado: pitching projects to hour development mailing list makes a HUGE difference in probability of acceptance with us.
17:40.11agliodbssorry, to *our* development list
17:40.51agliodbsif you find the development list scary (which it is, a bit), we also have a "students" list.
17:41.04agliodbsI think that many other projects are similar to us in this way
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17:41.57barbadoagliodbs: Hi. Thanks for your input. Which organization you from? (Is this allowed to ask here?)
17:42.19carolsbarbado: you’re allowed to ask, but if you want to speak to agliodbs further please take it to his channel or a PM
17:42.42agliodbspostgresql
17:42.47barbadocarols: Ah OK, sorry.
17:42.58carolsno need to apologize
17:43.00agliodbsand actually, if you specifically want to ask about PostgreSQL, I'll refer you to the -students mailin glist
17:43.04carolsjust continue the conversation elsewhere :-)
17:43.10agliodbssince I'm the "past admin", and not even a mentor this year
17:43.11barbadocarols: :-)
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17:59.03carolshope everyone’s having a nice friday/saturday
17:59.15downeysaturday is great :)
17:59.17carolsand prepping their applications for monday :-0
17:59.19carols:-)
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17:59.30carolsdowney: it generally is :-)
17:59.44downeythanks to OSPO for sponsoring FOSSASIA, it's going great :-)
17:59.50carolsglad to hear it
17:59.52downeyand lots of gsoc students attending
17:59.56carolsgreat!
18:00.11carolshopefully lots who are working on their applications for monday
18:00.27downey800-some attendees, so i'm sure they're busy making plans
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18:00.33carolsexcellent
18:01.07downeyis hoping for students to submit proposals earlier rather than later
18:01.24downeyrushing at the end never turns out well because there's so often something missing, incomplete etc
18:02.18carolsyeah, i always hope for that too
18:03.48iptopcarols : Any rough estimate on the number of students who will be selected this time ?. I am assuming it will be considerably less than last time!
18:04.06carolsiptop: nope, don’t know how many we’re accepting until we accept them
18:04.07downeyiptop: why do you assume that, just curious
18:04.13carolsjust focus on makng a great application
18:04.18carolsthat’s all you need to worry about
18:04.48iptopOh. Alright
18:04.56downeywe always ask for slots based on how many solid proposals we get
18:05.13carolsdowney: as all orgs should :-)
18:06.34downeythe worst thing is having to sit at the keyboard in the last few hours on friday copy & pasting a response to the student that they didn't follow the application template, and telling them they have only N minutes to update their proposal before the deadline
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18:07.09downey"Please go back and re-read the directions carefully to make sure you've included everything we need to evaluate your proposal." :-)
18:07.38carolsdowney: kinda how i feel when orgs have 404s for their ideas pages :-(
18:07.45downeylol
18:07.54downeycarols: that hit a sore spot for me :D
18:07.58carols:-)
18:08.03carolsi bet it did
18:08.06downeywell maybe not 404 but at least the wrong URL
18:08.09meflinwell the 2 limiting factors are mentors and excelent proposals
18:08.34downeywe always just submit a short URL so it's always the same :)
18:08.41carolsdowney: good plan
18:08.46downeyi guess i just spilled our secret
18:08.53downeynot many secrets in open source anyway
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18:09.57ujjwalstudent proposal is locked after 27th march? after that, we can discuss it but can't edit it?
18:10.21meflindang you are getting ahead of yourself
18:10.35meflinmake it good first wory about the cut off later
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18:11.30downey27 March: 19:00 UTC Student application deadline.
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18:11.57downeythat means your proposal is dead if it's on the other side of the line :)
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18:12.39downeywe've already got lots of students preparing their proposals with our mentors ... so no need to wait
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18:16.29garvitdelhihey, can we edit our proposals once we have uploaded it on our profile?
18:17.06meflinuntill the cut off yess
18:17.27garvitdelhiokay :)
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19:45.20annonymousHello
19:45.36meflinhola
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19:45.57annonymousplease any one help me know how to chat with mentors for project ideas
19:46.29meflincheck the web page find a project you are interested in and use the contact info
19:47.12annonymousi have selected my project org. how to chat with that org.
19:47.25meflinchecjk there contact info
19:47.43annonymousis this chat window is also used to talk mentors
19:47.54meflinno
19:48.02meflinthis is gsoc-general
19:48.11annonymousgsoc query
19:48.21meflineach org in melang lists there contact info
19:48.55annonymoushanks
19:48.58annonymousthanks
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20:25.59carolsserves some afternoon tea and coffee
20:25.59himangihi.....
20:26.03carolshi himangi
20:33.52ChristianMadds some cookies to the tea and coffee
20:34.31carolsthanks ChristianM
20:34.36carolshappy friday
20:34.42ChristianMfor you as well :)
20:36.48carolsthanks :-)
20:37.50piymisHappy Saturday (IST) :)
20:38.14carolshappy saturday :-)
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21:25.45chuongv!next
21:25.46gsocbotchuongv: "next" is Student application period opens on March 16th at 19:00 UTC.
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21:26.53carolssoon!
21:26.54carolsvery soon
21:27.04carolshope everyone’s got their applications ready
21:27.34asyI'm working on my draft !
21:27.45carolsgood luck asy
21:28.15scribblemaniaclooks nervously at a blank text document
21:28.16asyThank you !
21:31.42carolsyou still have the weekend to figure something out scribblemaniac
21:31.42carols:-)
21:31.55carolsand surely you’ve been working with a potential org already
21:32.00carolsso they can help you
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21:39.09scribblemaniaccarols: yeah it's a busy weekend for me
21:39.32carolsi know how that is
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22:32.26barbadoHi again :-) suppose I want to propose an idea to Google Open Source Programs Office. So, in that case, I should send my application form to <google-summer-of-code-discuss@googlegroups.com>. Is this correct?
22:32.52meflinnot sure why are you doing that?
22:33.44barbadomeflin: Google Open Source Programs Office is also a mentoring organization.
22:34.05meflinonly for very rare special projects
22:34.34meflinhave you been in contact?
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22:35.43gevaertsis fairly sure that the generic gsoc mailing list isn't the correct address to send that to
22:35.52barbadomeflin: With them? No. Only with other organizations. Point is, I do not know whether my proposed idea will be accepted.
22:36.17meflinospo@google.com
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22:36.41barbadomeflin: Thank you.
22:36.56meflinvery rare to run that way
22:37.05gevaertsGuess what? *nobody* knows whether their proposal will be accepted!
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22:38.13barbadogevaerts: Yes, and that is one of the reasons why I'm asking.
22:38.39meflinno reason to ask all proposals are accepted when they are
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