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| 00:40.14 | mneise | I am a student at Georgia Tech with the Online Master of Science in CS program http://www.omscs.gatech.edu/. Am I eligible to participate at gsoc? |
| 00:43.48 | teepee | !eligible | mneise |
| 00:43.48 | gsocbot | mneise: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on |
| 00:45.03 | teepee | mneise: to make sure, you'll have to check if it's an "accredited institution" |
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| 00:50.45 | mneise | teepee: Thank you, I already had a look at this. I am enrolled and Georgia Tech is definitely a accredited institution. Just wanted to make sure that there is no rule excluding the omscs program, as it is an online program and fairly new. |
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| 00:51.23 | teepee | well, the faq says you have to be enrolled and older than 18. so anything else should not matter |
| 00:52.51 | mneise | teepee: Perfect, thank you :) |
| 00:53.12 | teepee | you'll need a proof of enrollment anyway to present when applying |
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| 03:27.07 | randomnick | Any people from GSoC mentoring/ organization side? |
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| 03:27.50 | randomnick | I have a question: If a student is selected in 2 different projects, does he has an options to choose? |
| 03:28.13 | downey | randomnick: hi there |
| 03:28.15 | randomnick | Can we rank the organizations we are applying to while submitting multiple proposals? |
| 03:28.25 | downey | randomnick: The organizations work together to resolve the duplication |
| 03:28.39 | downey | randomnick: In most cases, the student is consulted |
| 03:28.40 | randomnick | But we can't rank them? |
| 03:28.49 | randomnick | ok |
| 03:28.59 | downey | randomnick: If I were you, I'd make a note or comment in your proposals about it. |
| 03:29.00 | randomnick | just wanted to know that... |
| 03:29.15 | randomnick | what should the note look like? |
| 03:30.04 | downey | "NOTE: I've submitted proposals for Org A and Org B. While I'd really enjoy working with your project, if there were a tie, I'd prefer Org B." |
| 03:30.08 | downey | something like that. |
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| 03:32.52 | downey | randomnick: honestly about that will make your org admins happy |
| 03:32.59 | downey | and it won't hurt anyone's feelings |
| 03:34.06 | valorie | I know that KDE would prefer students to be upfront about that |
| 03:34.21 | valorie | whether we're ranked first or second |
| 03:34.32 | downey | yep |
| 03:35.28 | downey | If there's no indication, the orgs will "fight" (not really fighting) over the student, or end up asking the student herself if there's no clear decision |
| 03:35.33 | downey | so the earlier to solve the problem the better |
| 03:36.07 | dberkholz | downey: i would tend to advise against that, and only bring it up in the event of a conflict. |
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| 03:36.42 | dberkholz | it can hurt your initial eval |
| 03:36.53 | dberkholz | (hey i'm kind of interested but really this is my fallback) |
| 03:37.20 | downey | not if your mentors are objective. :-) |
| 03:37.20 | valorie | it wouldn't with KDE |
| 03:37.26 | dberkholz | lack of perceived enthusiasm is a problem |
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| 03:37.50 | valorie | dberkholz: that's a different issue, IMO |
| 03:38.04 | dberkholz | downey: objective about what? the summer's work or the long-term prospects to recruit them as a contributor? |
| 03:38.17 | dberkholz | downey: for the latter, enthusiasm is critical. for the former, it's still very important. |
| 03:38.47 | downey | enthusiasm is not a finite resource. I'm enthusiastic about a lot of FOSS projects. :-) |
| 03:38.58 | dberkholz | i'd certainly want to hear it in the event of a conflict, and i'd put a heavy weight on the student's preference |
| 03:39.32 | downey | definitely agree with you there :) |
| 03:40.03 | dberkholz | but there are cases where it may not win out |
| 03:40.40 | dberkholz | for example, org A has extra slots and B has way too few, while the student's app to A was also stronger than to B |
| 03:40.47 | dberkholz | if the student prefers B, they still may not get it |
| 03:41.14 | dberkholz | and if they stated up front to A that it was a fallback, A might not rate the app as highly |
| 03:41.39 | dberkholz | it all depends on who's rating it and what their criteria are, but there are cases where that's a bad move |
| 03:42.00 | valorie | I suppose |
| 03:42.03 | downey | For us, GSoC is about the students, not the org, so we have always yielded to what they prefer. |
| 03:42.30 | dberkholz | downey: the tough call is when you've got similarly rated apps from two students, while one said it's a fallback proposal. |
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| 03:43.00 | valorie | for us, we take their preference into consideration, but really, deduplication is up to the two orgs |
| 03:43.04 | valorie | not the student |
| 03:43.17 | randomnick | One idea is that if you are interacting with a mentor, you can mail him that in case of tie, his is the preferred project and that mail can act as a "proof" for resolution...good at all ends maybe ? :) |
| 03:43.21 | dberkholz | sure, definitely agree valorie |
| 03:43.55 | valorie | their preference is certainly important, as is enthusiasm, skill, and the prospect of them supporting their code long-term |
| 03:44.05 | dberkholz | randomnick: the interesting bit is that orgs aren't actually required to ask the student's opinion in the event of a conflict |
| 03:44.07 | gangil1 | just curious how many duplication cases are there on average? |
| 03:44.36 | valorie | most are fixed before the meeting |
| 03:44.43 | dberkholz | i'd guess around 15% per year initially, at least for the orgs i've seen |
| 03:45.06 | dberkholz | admins try to resolve them in advance, and then the unresolved ones get sorted out by google at the meeting |
| 03:45.19 | valorie | we've also worked in tandem with other orgs for a few projects where that made sense |
| 03:45.36 | valorie | one mentor from us, one from the other org |
| 03:45.50 | randomnick | dberkholz: I meant sending the mail in the initial phase itself and not during deduplication period... |
| 03:47.18 | dberkholz | ah, i see. |
| 03:47.26 | dberkholz | telling the first choice and just not saying anything to anyone else |
| 03:47.32 | dberkholz | has a lot of potential |
| 03:47.51 | randomnick | :) |
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| 04:06.51 | valorie | that seems very unfair to the other org |
| 04:07.15 | valorie | oh well, remove the "very" |
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| 07:42.30 | ec2 | Hi all |
| 07:42.42 | ec2 | Does anybody know email ID of Carol? |
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| 07:48.58 | ec2 | Please PM me email id of Carol |
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| 10:32.55 | TuomasKatajisto | Hello! |
| 10:34.28 | TuomasKatajisto | Could someone here answer a few questions? |
| 10:38.16 | AnujSharma | TuomasKatajisto: Don't ask to ask, Just ask..! |
| 10:42.54 | TuomasKatajisto | So i am from Finland and i have no idea of american education system. |
| 10:43.09 | TuomasKatajisto | Do i have to be in a university to parcipate? |
| 10:43.43 | darnir | TuomasKatajisto: Yes |
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| 10:44.34 | TuomasKatajisto | So that means you have to be atleast 15 to parcipate? |
| 10:46.03 | darnir | !faq | TuomasKatajisto |
| 10:46.04 | gsocbot | TuomasKatajisto: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 10:46.45 | TuomasKatajisto | I think read that but ill read again. Probably due to bad english. |
| 10:47.28 | MatthewWilkes | TuomasKatajisto: The bit starting here: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on is the most important for you right now |
| 10:47.42 | TuomasKatajisto | thanks |
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| 11:49.03 | ujjwal | hi aditya_dev_s, you will get answer to this questions on GNU mailman irc channel or mailing list |
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| 12:10.21 | gevaerts | valorie: I don't really see how that's unfair. Sure, one organisation has more information than the other, but it's information we all seem to agree shouldn't influence the decision anyway |
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| 12:15.10 | darnir | gevaerts: IIUC, this would be resolved during the deduplication *before* the final list of selected students is deccided upon? |
| 12:15.51 | gevaerts | darnir: yes, that's the idea of deduplication, isn't it? :) |
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| 12:16.54 | darnir | Just to doubly clarify. :) In which case I agree with you. It's not very unfair to the other organization |
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| 12:17.30 | gevaerts | It's nice to know early of course, but I can easily understand reluctance to tell an org they're not your first choice... |
| 12:17.54 | gevaerts | And while I believe I wouldn't be negatively influenced by that, I can't say I'm 100% sure |
| 12:18.30 | darnir | I think I wouldn't want to be negatively influenced by that. |
| 12:19.42 | gevaerts | *want*, yes |
| 12:19.50 | gevaerts | But humans being humans... |
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| 12:21.23 | gevaerts | Also, I'm fairly sure there *are* mentors around who don't see it that way and who believe this is actually a real negative |
| 12:23.16 | gevaerts | I don't agree with them, and I think they're objectively wrong and missing out on good students because of it, but that doesn't make them disappear |
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| 12:41.13 | sgulati | Are the student proposals ranked on the basis of their date of submission as well? |
| 12:42.15 | gevaerts | No |
| 12:42.44 | gevaerts | There does seem to be a correlation between early submission and quality though |
| 12:43.27 | gevaerts | And interacting with the community as much as possible (which implies as early as possible) is strongly recommended |
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| 12:43.40 | Crofton|work | correlation != causation :) |
| 12:44.23 | gevaerts | Crofton|work: I know! I have the tshirt! |
| 12:44.40 | sgulati | Does that mean the ranking process will start after the deadline of submitting student proposals? |
| 12:45.21 | gevaerts | Crofton|work: http://store.xkcd.com/collections/apparel/products/correlation :) |
| 12:45.31 | Crofton|work | sgallagh_afk, yes |
| 12:45.45 | Crofton|work | also if you get yours in early, you may benefits from feedback :) |
| 12:45.51 | gevaerts | sgulati: people will start looking as soon as proposals come in, or even as soon as students show up in the community |
| 12:46.06 | gevaerts | It's a continuous process |
| 12:47.25 | gevaerts | The two important factors are quality of the proposal and confidence in the student's ability to actually achieve what's proposed |
| 12:47.54 | gevaerts | Both benefit from frequent interaction |
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| 12:59.20 | garvitdelhi | hey, community people see our proposals and reply to our mails when we submit our proposals on gsoc profile or they review and reply when we send the org personally? |
| 12:59.42 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 13:00.04 | garvitdelhi | yes for gsoc or sending personally? |
| 13:00.12 | gevaerts | Yes for it depends :) |
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| 13:00.53 | garvitdelhi | that means depend on org? |
| 13:00.58 | gevaerts | You obviously need to submit your proposals on melange, and for some orgs that's the main (or even only) way to interact |
| 13:01.21 | gevaerts | Other organisations like to see the proposals evolve on a wiki, or want to discuss it on a mailing list |
| 13:01.56 | garvitdelhi | ok thanks :) |
| 13:02.04 | gevaerts | And some probably want private email discussions with mentors. I don't really understand those, but then who am I to judge? :) |
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| 13:02.59 | gevaerts | I'd recommend interacting early on mailing list, irc, forums, ..., and reading the documentation (ideas page, application template) carefully. That way you'll know what a specific organisation expects |
| 13:04.13 | garvitdelhi | yeah that is must i think without discussion one can't formulate a good proposal :) |
| 13:05.18 | gevaerts | Yes, that's probably the one insight that separates the students with a chance from the hopeless ones |
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| 16:01.34 | lazar | hello! |
| 16:01.48 | meflin | hi |
| 16:01.59 | lazar | I got some questions |
| 16:02.09 | lazar | I accidentally registered as a mentor, but I'm a student :D |
| 16:02.30 | lazar | and I saw this after the registration If you plan to participate as a student, you should not register as an organization member now. |
| 16:02.32 | meflin | you shouldn't do that ;) talk to your org find the admin and put that connection down |
| 16:03.07 | lazar | I'm not registered as an organization, but as an individual |
| 16:03.12 | meflin | you might need #melange to kill that off |
| 16:03.14 | gevaerts | I think you need to talk to the melange folks |
| 16:03.22 | lazar | okay I'll do that now |
| 16:03.23 | lazar | thanks guys |
| 16:03.30 | gevaerts | Either that or become a mentor :) |
| 16:03.48 | meflin | we do love cunchy tasty mentors :D |
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| 16:03.55 | lazar | Hahah |
| 16:04.30 | gevaerts | Ah, found it! |
| 16:04.34 | gevaerts | !unmentor | lazar |
| 16:04.35 | gsocbot | lazar: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
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| 16:05.14 | gevaerts | I assume that's still valid |
| 16:05.24 | meflin | sounds right to me |
| 16:05.33 | gevaerts | isn't sure why carols wants to be cc-ed on those, but that's what it says... |
| 16:06.06 | meflin | I would go with #1 and talk to your org and tell them you oopsed |
| 16:06.13 | Ashishdeep | gevaerts: Can you help me with gsoc bots commands |
| 16:06.24 | lazar | yeah but what Org? |
| 16:06.28 | lazar | I'm not part of any orgs |
| 16:06.35 | gevaerts | meflin: orgs can't do much about this |
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| 16:06.59 | meflin | lazar: you did not form a connection then? good .. nothing orgy to fix .. I was assumeing that you had |
| 16:07.07 | gevaerts | Ashishdeep: if you mean, can I give you a list of known factoids, then no |
| 16:07.27 | gevaerts | My technique for finding factoids is try to remember them and then check logs :) |
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| 16:08.05 | Ashishdeep | Okay, there must be a command list for gsocbot |
| 16:08.19 | meflin | you can play with the bot in /msg |
| 16:08.23 | lazar | I wrote to melange-soc and carols as CC |
| 16:08.28 | gevaerts | There isn't really |
| 16:09.14 | gevaerts | There's a way to ask for a list of factoids (which aren't the only "commands", actually), but (a) I can't remember what it is, and (b) it's not useful because it refuses to give you lists that are too long |
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| 16:09.41 | gevaerts | And (c) there really isn't much there that's not in the FAQ |
| 16:09.44 | teepee | Ashishdeep: I think it's https://github.com/kblin/supybot-gsoc |
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| 16:10.02 | meflin | more or less the bot if full of FAQ items |
| 16:10.35 | gevaerts | The *only* things gsocbot knows about that aren't in the FAQ are things like "where is the FAQ?" :) |
| 16:10.45 | meflin | and |
| 16:10.48 | meflin | !next |
| 16:10.49 | gsocbot | meflin: "next" is Student application period opens on March 16th at 19:00 UTC. |
| 16:11.19 | gevaerts | Yes, but that information is in the timeline as well, which it can point you to :) |
| 16:11.22 | gevaerts | !timeline |
| 16:11.23 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 |
| 16:11.31 | meflin | nice |
| 16:11.53 | gevaerts | The way I see it, these things are mainly there to help us regulars save on typing |
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| 16:12.06 | meflin | if we can remember ;) |
| 16:12.11 | gevaerts | !previous |
| 16:12.11 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "previous" is Student applications opened for GSoC 2014 on 10 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 16:12.25 | gevaerts | !forget previous |
| 16:12.25 | gsocbot | gevaerts: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:12.44 | meflin | I was a lot younger back then ;) |
| 16:13.01 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 16:13.11 | lazar | meflin: no I didn't form a connection, just registered and touched nothing else |
| 16:13.26 | meflin | should be a simple melange fix then |
| 16:14.29 | lazar | awesome! |
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| 16:15.45 | meflin | tea time .. |
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| 16:55.42 | olly | gevaerts: you at least used to be able to ask for all factoids matching a* |
| 16:55.52 | olly | but I failed to make it work last time I tried |
| 16:56.09 | gevaerts | olly: yes, but even then it often told you there were too many of those |
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| 16:56.21 | olly | aa*! |
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| 16:56.36 | olly | you could also return all factoids matching a pattern |
| 16:56.37 | gevaerts | Yes, good luck! |
| 16:56.49 | gevaerts | After five of those it made you wait a bit |
| 16:56.50 | olly | thankyou |
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| 19:14.47 | Monis | Hi |
| 19:14.59 | darnir | Hi Monis |
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| 19:16.04 | Monis | This group is regarding general information of GSOC or any specific organisation |
| 19:16.24 | mridul_seth | GSoC general info |
| 19:18.33 | Monis | I am new to it, just want to ask few Question, |
| 19:19.17 | Monis | It allows individual participation or team participation |
| 19:19.33 | darnir | !faq | Monis |
| 19:19.33 | gsocbot | Monis: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page |
| 19:19.49 | Monis | ok |
| 19:19.53 | Monis | thanks |
| 19:20.01 | darnir | !studentguide | Monis |
| 19:20.01 | gsocbot | Monis: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 19:20.30 | darnir | Try reading these two documents first. If you still have any further queries, we're happy to help :) |
| 19:20.55 | Monis | ok, thanks |
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| 19:27.56 | htrap | hello everyone. |
| 19:30.02 | meflin | hi |
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| 19:31.05 | htrap | A quick question i had about setting milestones for a project in my proposal, what if i had two ideas in how the project workflow should go during the gsoc period, then sshould i submit two seperate proposals for the same project or add both the workflows in the same proposal? |
| 19:32.05 | meflin | you should ask your org/mentor |
| 19:33.15 | htrap | okay i will do that but as per melange can we submit 2 proposals for the same project? |
| 19:33.18 | olly | i doubt sumitting two proposals is ever the sensible answer, but you can discuss the alternatives now and probably get steered towards one |
| 19:33.30 | olly | htrap: melange allows it |
| 19:33.36 | meflin | 2 proposals for the same project is insane |
| 19:33.40 | olly | you get up to 5, and there are no restrictions as to the orgs |
| 19:33.51 | meflin | get with your mentor and sort it .. so you have one stronger one |
| 19:34.18 | olly | yeah, given the amount of work involved in a good proposal, it's crazy to send two to the same org |
| 19:34.32 | meflin | olly: for the same project as well ;) |
| 19:34.52 | htrap | meflin: olly |
| 19:34.57 | htrap | sorry |
| 19:35.07 | olly | that's almost less crazy, as at least you'd not have to do all the work twice, just the workflow part |
| 19:35.09 | meflin | don't be sorry this is the time to ask :) |
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| 19:35.19 | darnir | To be honest, a lot of the work in such a set of proposals would be duplicate. |
| 19:35.38 | meflin | 1 solid plan with a mentor is better |
| 19:35.52 | darnir | Applying for two projects under the same org is crazier. |
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| 19:36.04 | meflin | 2 apps for same project ;) |
| 19:36.30 | olly | darnir: if you're sending proposals to two orgs and there's a lot of duplication between them, I think you're probably doing it wrong |
| 19:36.33 | htrap | okay thanks a lot everyone ill discuss my workflows with the mentor and go with the one he suggests me to go with. |
| 19:36.59 | darnir | olly: I meant two proposals for the same project to the same org |
| 19:37.08 | olly | oh, right |
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| 19:38.28 | darnir | But olly, if someone's following your scenario, that's not necessarily doing it wrong. It could just be smart play. Two organizations working on the same kind of thing isn't unheard of. |
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| 19:38.51 | meflin | that is a mater of opinion ;) |
| 19:39.21 | olly | it's usually pretty obvious when you have a proposal being shopped around |
| 19:39.37 | meflin | I have been in de-dupe before tho .... nonfun |
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| 19:40.38 | darnir | It's obvious yes. And not always the best use of your resources. |
| 19:40.42 | meflin | that student was beyond excellent and help others with proposals for the same project ( I kept an eye on that part ) |
| 19:42.59 | darnir | I think two of my potential students are currently helping each other with their proposals for the same project. |
| 19:43.19 | meflin | nice keep an eye on it |
| 19:43.38 | meflin | that student improved everyone else proposals |
| 19:43.53 | darnir | I only know because one of them goofed up and sent a few messages to the IRC channel. |
| 19:43.59 | meflin | you might be able to spy why he became a mentor ;) |
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| 21:13.24 | pranav | hi |
| 21:13.34 | meflin | hi |
| 21:15.08 | pranav | would my chances of selection in gsoc reduce if have started contacted them right now , most of the candidate have started approaching the ORG way before they were selected for gsoc |
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| 21:15.41 | meflin | it is not a contest |
| 21:15.49 | meflin | start as soon as you can |
| 21:16.24 | pranav | yes i have started now |
| 21:17.03 | pranav | but would it affect my chances ? |
| 21:20.43 | meflin | its not a game of chance so there are no "chances" |
| 21:29.05 | monokles | meflin, but aren't there a number of slots assigned to each org? Doesn't that mean that they will have to reject people if there are more applicants than slots? |
| 21:29.41 | meflin | nope |
| 21:30.02 | meflin | slots have not even happened yet |
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| 21:30.40 | monokles | oh |
| 21:30.44 | meflin | in my personal experince finding food students is the hardest thing mentor next |
| 21:30.54 | meflin | err good |
| 21:31.59 | meflin | I have moved heaven and earth to get the resources for a good student |
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| 21:42.19 | MatthewWilkes | We (Plone) have returned slots two years because we thought they would be better used by other orgs that were struggling to choose between excellent students whereas we only had an okay student to offer it to |
| 21:42.50 | meflin | nodes |
| 21:42.59 | meflin | if you student isn't excelent ... |
| 21:43.05 | meflin | returned slots last year |
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| 21:55.24 | monokles | you guys are almost making me wanna back out because there might be better students lol |
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| 21:56.28 | olly | there's almost always someone better than you - that's not a reason to give up |
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| 21:57.27 | monokles | yeah I'm definitely going to apply |
| 21:57.38 | monokles | it is a good excuse for me to finally start contributing to open source |
| 21:58.03 | teepee | monokles: also in my books I'd reate a not so experienced student applying with an awesome proposal for an easy project idea also as excellent |
| 21:58.11 | teepee | so as always, things are relative ;) |
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| 22:10.53 | toky | any pointers on filtering twitter traffic on google analytics? |
| 22:12.05 | toky | im starting a website and im tweeting when i make a new post, i would like to know how much traffic comes to my site from twitter, i dont care (for now) about what exact tweet/link was clicked, just if they came from twitter |
| 22:12.47 | olly | toky: that's off-topic here |
| 22:13.28 | toky | olly: ok, figured i asked vs asking to ask... |
| 22:13.41 | toky | is there another channel i can try? |
| 22:14.01 | olly | i don't think google generally offer support by IRC |
| 22:14.23 | olly | i guess you might find a channel where users help each other |
| 22:15.20 | toky | well not looking for google support, more in the vicinity of "i have made some blog post that says how to..." from individuals |
| 22:15.46 | toky | most of the stuff i find via google searches are about products that will sit ontop of GA to do this things |
| 22:16.04 | toky | thanks anyways |
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