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00:03.54anand2182Hello I would like to ask Does sending too many applications give a wrong impression to the organisation?
00:04.26anand2182and Do organisationsknow when we send proposals to other organisations?
00:05.21teepeeanand2182: they might find out if both want to accept the proposal :)
00:05.48teepeeanand2182: in general it's probably better to focus more on quality than quantity
00:06.08anand2182But the response for some organisations is not upto the mark
00:06.22anand2182to judge if they are interested in the project you want to pursue
00:07.14teepeeI doubt any org spends the time to create the idea lists if they are not interrested
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00:40.16candylineHi
00:40.37candylineanyone here ?
00:41.12teepeesure
00:41.26dfightersomeone must be!
00:41.47candylinehow does this work ?
00:41.56dfighteryou read the FAQ and you find out!
00:42.00dfighterthat's how it works!
00:42.01dfighter:)
00:42.07candylineI did thats how I got here HAHA : D
00:42.14candylineare all you guys gsoc?
00:42.42dfighterif you had read the FAQ you'd know how it works :)
00:44.07candylineahhhh I seee, makes sense, thanks
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02:29.21aslahi :)
02:29.25evnbhey :D
02:29.37aslahow many weeks is Gsoc ??
02:29.49aslaThe timetable is such a pain in the ass to read
02:29.53asla:p
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02:30.18DaSpirit13 weeks I think.
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02:30.35evnbcloser to 12 It hink ?
02:31.05DaSpiritI listed weeks in my proposal.
02:31.13DaSpiritOn 13th week, it's final evaluations.
02:31.27evnbahh, okay
02:31.27aslaAm writing proposal but I cannot be able to follow the timetable or whatever
02:31.38dumindux12 weeks till the pencils down date.
02:31.47aslaDaSpirit, how many weeks until midterm evals ?
02:31.59DaSpiritStarts 5th week.
02:32.20aslakk thx
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02:35.06digshadow-wif I happen to work for google and am interested in a particular project, is there anything I can do to help that project succeed (get accepted, support it, etc)
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02:37.52asladigshadow-w, submit a patch
02:38.39evnbI found out about this program late, is there any chance to still talk with mentoring organizations?
02:39.37aslaMaybe you should just try evnb :)
02:39.51evnbyeah, I just have low confidence, I've never contributed anything before
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02:42.53aslaevnb, depends on what project you want to contribute to,... also my opinion is there are students who have never  contributed anything BUT  are skilled enough to work on a good project
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02:51.17aslaEditing on melange is a pain - I come up with different fonts which I cannot tell which is which :o
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02:53.41ollyyou probably want to edit it in some sane editor and just paste in the update HTML
02:53.47ollythough beware that can get quite mangled
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02:56.21evnbwhat project(s) are you wanting to contribute to asla (if you don't mind me asking)?
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03:17.22aslaevnb, I want to apply to Qemu ;) to implement emulation of some hardware anyways i gotta go :)
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03:35.52SeunSince I can change proposals all I want until the deadline, should I submit a proposal template and fill it up as I go, so that I'm ensure the most recent version is submitted by the deadline?
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07:16.34alexbcn1994_hi everyone, can someone tell me where i can find my submited proposals?i just can't find
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07:20.33ManikandanHey, how do i drag a proposal in google melange
07:21.03alexbcn1994_can u see your submited proposals?
07:21.08Manikandanno
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07:21.25ManikandanI have just sent my proposal to my mentor
07:21.38ManikandanThen just created a account in gsoc page
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07:21.56ManikandanHow do i submit
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07:23.28terriManikandan: have you put in your eligibility paperwork?  it won’t let you submit an application until that’s filed, I gather.
07:23.50ManikandanMeans an enrollment form
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07:33.56|Kev|Seun: Chat to your org about that. Submitting an empty application may look like spam to them.
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07:44.13ManikandanI have submitted the enrollment and then the proposal, that was the prob:)
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09:17.38ZeekHugeHow do we submit a proposal ? Is there any prescribed format ?
09:17.56ollymost orgs provide an application template
09:18.02ollyif they do, follow it
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11:18.04ujjwalwhile submitting proposal where will I find org specific application template?
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11:31.06chickHi i wish to know if its possible to edit a proposal on melange after student application is closed?
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11:36.04VarunAgwI'm not sure but I think you have to ask your mentor for permission to edit it after application period.
11:36.37VarunAgwujjwal, Try googling "%org_name% gsoc application template"
11:36.56VarunAgwSome org. don't have any specific application template
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11:38.02ujjwalVarunAgw, I tried googling no luck :(
11:38.46ollyujjwal: ask them?
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11:39.02VarunAgwWhat is the name of org?
11:39.14ujjwalmetabrainz
11:40.00ujjwalI asked here because I thought that application proposal is also available on melange
11:40.14ujjwal*application template
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11:44.07ollyit used to be that when a student started a proposal, the template got inserted as a starting point
11:44.23ollybut melange changes each year...
11:45.24ollyand AFAIK they no longer have the test instance we can poke at to see what the students see
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13:03.10platypus_I needed a bit of clarification regarding the rule at https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a
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13:06.33banviktorhi
13:06.52banviktorif I upload a proposal that means it's final or can I update it till friday?
13:07.10gevaertsYou can update it until the deadline
13:08.21gevaertsplatypus_: what sort of clarification?
13:08.30banviktorgevaerts: thank you
13:08.44platypus_gevaerts: As per my current plans for summer, I'll be visiting my parents in a country where I cannot get a work visa
13:08.57platypus_because I'll only get a work visa if my employer is a citizen of that country
13:09.17platypus_Which isn't the case, as far as I can see.
13:09.21platypus_Does that mean I cannot apply at all?
13:09.35gevaertsProbably, yes
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13:10.36gevaertsYou have to be legally allowed to work where you are (short holidays aren't an issue of course), and with gsoc being work-from-home there isn't any visa help provided
13:10.46platypus_So a student is not allowed to visit family in summer for a couple of weeks? :/ And if she/he does it would be illegal?
13:11.27gevaertsWhat sort of periods are you talking about?
13:11.40gevaertsA few weeks, or a few months?
13:11.47platypus_Two weeks to a month.
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13:12.42gevaertsIf you can work out with your organisation that you won't be working during that period (conpensating by e.g. starting early or something like that), that might be doable
13:13.26gevaertsIt's not really gsoc's fault that most countries restrict work by foreigners without a visa...
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13:14.41platypus_gevaerts: agreed, but it would be also be unfair of gsoc to expect a student not to visit family at all
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13:15.11gevaertsplatypus_: most organisations are fine with people taking a few weeks off, *if* this doesn't come as a surprise to them
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13:15.32platypus_gevaerts: and it wouldn't be prohibited by the agreement then?
13:15.44gevaertsNo
13:16.32platypus_gevaerts: awesome! Is there any way I can get that confirmed officially so that it doesn't bite me later if someone brings it up?
13:16.53Niharikaplatypus_: It's not forbidden by agreement. You need to talk to your mentor/org admin and make sure they are okay with this.
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13:20.30danitorra!next
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13:49.38kartikgupta0909Hello, i am submitting two proposals in two different organisations, do i need to do something extra?
13:49.52kartikgupta0909i mean do i need to mention that anywhere?
13:50.35sgallaghkartikgupta0909: It may be worth letting the mentors for both organizations know, so they can account for that in their decisions.
13:50.51sgallagh(or discuss between them who needs you more ;-) )
13:51.27kartikgupta0909The problem is that portland university has no mentor for now, no irc or mailing list, so how should i contact them?
13:52.26kartikgupta0909should i mention this thing in the proposal which i prefer more that i am applying to another org and i prefer you over the other?
13:54.10VarunAgwkartikgupta0909, Don't do this. EVER
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13:55.13VarunAgwhttps://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/portland_state
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13:55.39VarunAgwCheck their contact list kartikgupta0909
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14:01.36tipoHello, how i can upload my proposal?
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14:03.23tipoHello, how can i upload my proposal?
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14:03.43gevaertstipo: there should be a large button on the melange gsoc homepage
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14:03.59gevaertsUnless you haven't uploaded your proof of enrollment of course
14:04.27tipo@gevaerts, thank you!
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14:07.15tipoI should to upload my proposal before March 28?
14:07.27teepee--yes
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14:07.30teepee--!next
14:07.32gsocbotteepee--: "next" is GSoC student applications close on 27 March at 19:00 UTC
14:07.40teepee--tipo: before ^
14:07.40VarunAgwEarlier the better
14:07.55tipoThank you!
14:08.06tipo:-D
14:08.51teepee--tipo: it's editable till deadline, waiting for the last moment is risky
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14:14.08ari___once i am submitting my proposal it is showing submitted but when i am clicking on my dashboard it is not showing anything
14:15.56ari___can anyone help me
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14:19.38blast007ari___: if you don't get a response here, you could try asking in #melange as that is the channel for the software GSoC uses
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16:36.49brlcaddrinks the tea
16:36.55carolshi brlcad
16:36.59carolshope you’re doing well
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16:37.14brlcadI've been better :)  but doing well enough
16:37.29carols:-)
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17:07.56coolsounak101Hi
17:08.01carolshi coolsounak101
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17:15.10rjkwokHi
17:15.50carolshi rjkwok
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17:18.15rjkwokSo I recieved a comment on a proposal, with suggestions.
17:18.24carolsrjkwok: okay
17:18.42rjkwokShould I amend my proposal?
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17:18.52carolsrjkwok: what does the mentoring organization say?
17:19.05carolsif they asked you to amend it, you should.
17:19.28rjkwokThey didn't specify.
17:19.42carolsrjkwok: then you should speak to them directly about it.
17:20.01rjkwokOkay, thanks
17:20.07carolscheers
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17:23.23RahulHPCan we edit the proposal before the deadline after submitting it once?
17:23.39carolsRahulHP: sure
17:23.54RahulHPThanks
17:23.57carolsyw
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17:38.39tniessenI did not receive any feedback about the validity of the documents I provided as a "proof of enrollment". Will those be evaluated after choosing the students?
17:39.12Niharikatniessen: I think so, yes.
17:39.16carolstniessen: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment “If you do not receive an email request from us for a new document you can assume what you submitted is fine."
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17:40.04tniessencarols, Niharika: thanks, great
17:40.10carolsyw
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17:43.45dfightercarols, do you ( I mean the team, not just you personally ) actually check each and every one of them, or just randomly?
17:43.57carolsdfighter: yes, we check each and every one
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17:44.23dfightercarols, then it's worse than I thought, thanks for being here for us :)
17:44.31carolsyw
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17:52.17prasad_i have fill the application form but how can i apporoach the orgnizations
17:52.29carolsprasad_: using their preferred communication method
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17:52.59prasad_k carols
17:53.59VarunAgw_prasad_, They generally list it in contact section in organisation page in google-melange.com
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17:57.50prasad_k Varun r u from india
18:00.13VarunAgw!logs
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18:00.13prasad_To approach organization last date is 27/03/15 ?
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18:01.09carolsprasad_: yes, but please keep in mind that it’s much better to make contact with an organization before you submit a proposal. and the 27th is also the deadline for submitting a proposal.
18:01.15carolsso really, you should be contacting them before then.
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18:20.21Rajdeep_Hi, i am planning to submit my proposal in sugar labs please tell what things i need to be specific in the time line for development of the project
18:20.37meflinyou should ask your project
18:20.38carolsRajdeep_: the folks who will know the answer to that question are at sugar labs
18:20.42carolsyou should speak to them
18:20.56Rajdeep_Thanks
18:21.00carolsyw
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18:22.58jdiezhello everyone, I've drafted an application for a project I'm very interested in. It's my first time applying through GSoC. Can someone take a look at my application?
18:23.16carolsjdiez: the best people to do that would be the people with the organization you’re applying to
18:23.25carolsthey will have the comments and criteria they’re looking for
18:23.41jdiezcarols: I've already asked them, and they told me it looks good. just looking for another set of eyes :)
18:23.53carolsjdiez: if they told you it looks good you don’t need us :-)
18:24.14carolsthe only people you have to impress are them
18:24.54jdiezcarols: alright then :) bit nervous about this, it's a really awesome project with a really awesome org
18:25.02carolsi can understand that
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18:25.09carolsgood luck!
18:25.13jdiezthank you! :)
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18:33.18NikolaiToryzincarols, How's the tea treating you this year?
18:33.26carolsNikolaiToryzin: good, thanks
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18:34.03NikolaiToryzincarols, Glad to hear, it always was the staple of this channels diet :)
18:34.07carols:-)
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18:52.20himangican a proposal be editted after submitting?
18:52.42meflinuntill the deadline
18:53.07himangimeflin: are you sure we can make any changes?
18:53.18himangitill 27th March of course
18:53.34meflinyes
18:54.19gevaertsWe can't guarantee you won't break your arms though, which would make you unable to type
18:54.29gevaertsSo there's always *some* uncertainty
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18:58.15abhi6823i want an abstract model to be sent ti gsoc. any help?
18:58.24abhi6823to*
18:58.34meflincheck the tags in the org list
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19:00.32meflinhttps://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015
19:00.36meflindo not PM me
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19:59.04ZabotWhat is the age requirement? I turned 18 yesterday, but the application says I cannot participate.
19:59.23carolsZabot: you must be 18 at the time you sign the student agreement
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19:59.41carolsZabot: if you’re having trouble, please file a bug with the melange developers
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20:01.04ZabotIs there anyone I can contact to make sure my propsal gets submitted if the bug isn't resolved?
20:01.31carolsZabot: yes, the melange developers, via a bug
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20:45.20mustafabHello everyone, do you think it is too late to apply for this year?
20:45.34carolsmustafab: have you had contact with your potential mentoring organization?
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20:46.20gevaertsmustafab: it's never too late, but it's always high time
20:46.29mustafabno I just skimmed the possible organizations and their projects. I haven't contacted to them.
20:47.03mustafabas far as I understand we, students, need to discuss with mentors before submitting our proposals
20:47.21carolsmustafab: well, you should always contact the organization and then submit a proposal when and if they say you should
20:47.26mustafaband I am not sure 2 days is enough for that
20:47.38carolsmustafab: well, if you feel it’s not, that’s your choice to make
20:47.54carolsbut the people who can advise you better on it are the mentors and admins of the organization
20:48.19gevaertsmustafab: I wouldn't give up yet
20:48.32mustafabso in the proposal the main point is to reflect our motivation for the project, right?
20:48.33gevaertsYou'll need to spend a lot of time on it for the next one or two days though
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20:48.56mustafab@gevaerts, I see your point and definitely consider it :)
20:49.20carolsmustafab: the main point is to begin collaborating with an open source organization
20:49.21gevaertswonders how MatthewWilkes' gsoc-proposal-in-a-day project is going :)
20:49.28carolswhether that’s through gsoc or not
20:50.21gevaertsmustafab: have you read the student guide and the FAQ?
20:50.31gevaerts!faq | mustafab
20:50.31gsocbotmustafab: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
20:50.37gevaerts!studentguide | mustafab
20:50.37gsocbotmustafab: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ or if that site is down https://web.archive.org/web/20150314235727/http://flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/
20:51.03mustafabyeah kind of but now I take it serious and start reading the manual.
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20:51.06mustafabthank you a lot
20:51.08gevaertsThe student guide has some example proposals (as well as other useful stuff)
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20:54.06mustafabcheers all, take care
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21:02.31Bhash90Hi
21:02.36carolshi Bhash90
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21:03.40Bhash90I want to know whehter is it ok to participate GSoC 2 times with the same project
21:03.52carolsBhash90: nope
21:04.15meflinhow can you do more then one project at once?
21:05.02Bhash90I mean I particiapted in last time GSoC as well
21:05.34carolsBhash90: maybe i don’t understand the question
21:05.34meflinno problem
21:05.37carolscould you rephrase?
21:07.25Bhash90Can I particiapted GSoC-2105 with same organization that I participated GSoC-2014
21:07.31carolsBhash90: sure
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21:08.40Bhash90:) my bad phrasing
21:08.40Bhash90thanks
21:08.44carolsyw
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21:14.03ismnoiethello
21:14.40carolsismnoiet: hi
21:14.51ismnoietgood @carols
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21:14.59ismnoietif have a simple question
21:15.36carolsismnoiet: sure
21:15.52ismnoietfor the proof of enrollment  if have to prive a scanned copy
21:16.06carolsismnoiet: did you read the instructions page?
21:16.22ismnoietyes of course
21:16.25ismnoieti did
21:16.53ismnoietand a get a copy of what they want
21:17.15dfightercarols, is one of they
21:17.28ismnoietthe question is can i upload a photo taken by the phone but not scanned
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21:19.01carolsismnoiet: sure, that’s fine
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21:19.49ismnoietgood and for the school certificate i have one in arabic
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21:21.32ismnoietfor the english version i have to take it to an official translator in order to translate it or i can translate it by myself ?
21:22.19carolsismnoiet: that’s included on the instructions
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21:24.28ismnoietThank you @carols i'll upload them and come back
21:24.33carolsgreat
21:24.54gevaertsismnoiet: carols' word is of course final, but I would assume that if a notarised document or anything like that were required, that would be stated explicitly
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21:26.01ismnoietyes @gevaerts i believe
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21:26.39Zabotcarols: I submitted a bug report in regards to the age verification, they said it was working as intended and that you must be 18 before the 16th, is there any way this can be changed, or at least the faq updated to include the cutoff deadline?
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21:29.03gevaertsZabot: I'd recommend email :)
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21:30.02Zabotgevaerts: yeah, missed her by 10 minutes
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21:30.09carolsZabot: sure, try again
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21:34.03Zabotcarols: yes that worked, thank you very much
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22:19.04carolsserves some afternoon tea and coffee
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22:19.16meflinmmm tea thanks
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22:20.54meflinWhite Tip Oolong, total tea apoapolix averted
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22:39.26wytrzeszczwhat project is best for "beginers"? im don't write so much code , mosty for universe
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22:40.02carolswytrzeszcz: all the projects on the respective mentoring organization’s ideas list are listed by difficulty level
22:40.29carolsso you’d find the org you want to work with and then you can decide the project you think you’re best suited for from there
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22:42.07wytrzeszczeasy on top and hard on bottom yes?
22:42.20carolswytrzeszcz: depends on how the organization has organized it
22:42.27wytrzeszczok
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22:46.45wytrzeszczand i need to write only for one Project yes? (if i want do one)
22:47.04carolswytrzeszcz: if you want to apply to participate, yes, you must submit at least one project proposal.
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22:47.20ismnoiet@carols i've submitted my files(proof of enrollment ) how can i check if they were accepted or not
22:47.33carolsismnoiet: did you read the proof of enrollment instructions?
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22:48.08carolsismnoiet: that question is answered on the proof of enrollment instructions.
22:48.16carolsso i’d recommend you read them.
22:50.53wytrzeszczwhat if i application for eg. Debian project and they say im not egounth good?
22:51.03carolswytrzeszcz: have you spoken to them?
22:51.24wytrzeszczno... just thinking now
22:51.30carolsthen that’s the best first step
22:51.58wytrzeszczanyone form Debian here ?:)
22:52.12carolswytrzeszcz: please take it to their communication channels.
22:52.28carolswe don’t have organization- or person-specific conversation on this channel
22:52.41valoriewytrzeszcz: be aware that they use the OFTC server for IRC
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23:00.18wytrzeszczok thanks a lot lets go there
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23:53.56cfochhello
23:54.17cfochwhat projects does Google OSPO have?
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23:54.33KushSHi :) I am having trouble creating my student profile. I am unable to find the " Read the terms and conditions and acknowledge by selecting the checkbox at the end." checkbox. Any help ?
23:54.40dfightercfoch,  none
23:54.51dfightercfoch, you go to them with your advisor and project idea
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23:55.13ollycfoch: read the FAQ entry about it, but it's probably not the org you want
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23:55.53cfocholly, dfighter: I was thinking it was related to products as Google Drive for example
23:56.01ollyno
23:56.07dfighterno
23:56.09ollyfor a start, google drive isn't open source
23:58.20cfochSo in Google OSPO, I *start* my own project?
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