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00:00.32dfightercfoch, the FAQ actually explains it, please read it
00:00.41dfighterwhy should we reiterate when it's written down..
00:00.53valorieat this late date, cfoch, probably not
00:01.15olly!ospo | cfoch
00:01.15gsocbotcfoch: "ospo" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#no_org
00:01.18ollyhmm
00:01.20olly2012
00:01.32olly!forget ospo
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00:01.58cfochthanks
00:02.24olly!learn ospo is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
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00:02.29olly!learn ospo as http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
00:02.29gsocbotolly: "ospo" is http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
00:02.50olly!learn ospo as https://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
00:02.50gsocbotolly: "ospo" is (#1) http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization, or (#2) https://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
00:02.54olly!forget ospo 1
00:02.54gsocbotolly: "ospo" is https://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#16._What_if_there_is_no_organization
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00:45.16SeunWhen are midterm evaluations?
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00:46.01meflinit is on the timeline
00:46.05meflinwhy?
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00:47.37SeunFor planning milestones, where is the more in-depth timeline? The homepage only shows the basic breakdown.
00:47.53meflinthe time line on the home page is the timeline
00:48.02meflinstart-midterm-fina
00:49.07Seunok nvm thx
00:50.18meflinfor more advice talk to your org
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01:21.57ollySeun meflin: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 is the detailed timeline, the "slices of a ring" timeline graphic on the homepage isn't as detailed
01:24.16Seunafter August 21, can we still work on the project?
01:24.29ollyof course
01:25.00ollythe evaluation for gsoc purposes is only up until then though
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01:25.14olly"pencils down" isn't really a good term for it
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01:26.10ollyyou also shouldn't only start writing tests on 17th, as the timeline seems to suggest
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01:49.37SeunHow do I get a mentor?
01:50.20DaSpiritThe organization chooses one for you.
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03:37.13EdesCan I apply to multiple organizations and then ditch one if I can't work on more than one project at a time?
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03:57.21cfochEdes: I think you have to choose *one* project. You cannot work on more than one project.
03:57.24cfochBut I am not sure.
03:57.41RetroidYou can apply to more than one though
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04:02.32Edesoh that's great then
04:02.50EdesI didn't want to get chosen for multiples or something and then end up having to work full time on both of them
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04:11.24ollyEdes: just note that it may not be your choice which project you get
04:11.59ollyif you have a preference, tell at least one of the orgs you apply to, but it still may not be followed
04:12.06Edesalright
04:12.19Edesto be honest I want to work first, and then work on something I like second
04:13.53ollyyou're going to be spending 3 months full time on it (plus some time before at least) so I'd pick something you'll enjoy doing
04:13.53duminduxolly: that mean if we havent told the preference first we might not get a chance to choose the project we like after getting selected to multiple organizations?
04:14.09ollythere's enough orgs doing enough different things you should find something
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04:14.34ollydumindux: you may never even know you were
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04:14.57ollyit's a difficult area for the orgs as google tell us not to discuss acceptance with students before the announcement
04:15.18ollyand asking them about preferences for orgs is kind of crossing that line
04:15.44ollyin practice orgs often do ask, but it's easier for us if we know up front
04:17.28duminduxif the student does not tell and if he is selected for two orgs, then what will happen?
04:17.44ollythe org admins discuss and pick
04:17.52ollyif they can't agree, carols will decide
04:17.58RetroidUnless you are tight on money, I would only apply to things that interest you, but maybe thats a bad way to look at things
04:17.59ollypretty much at random
04:18.32ollyi reckon you're more likely to get a project you're actually interested it
04:18.34olly*in
04:18.41ollyit shows in the proposal and discussions with the org
04:18.53Retroidyeah, I'm only applying for one project but I'll be working on it regardless of if I get selected
04:19.24Retroidwhat do you mean discussion with the org? Is there an interview?
04:19.28ollybut as for why you may not get your choice of multiple project - for example, if you're the only student one org wanted to accept, while the other has more good students than they can accept, it's more sensible to let the first org take you
04:19.30duminduxhm great!.
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04:19.45ollysome orgs hold formal interviews
04:19.59ollymany expect to have discussed projects with students, on IRC or in comments
04:20.01Retroidahh, I guess the one I am applying for does not
04:20.13ollyit's relatively rare I think
04:20.23ollywe've done it before, but it takes a lot of time
04:20.29RetroidYeah, mine has a mailing list, but it is really cluttered at this point, full of people saying the same thing over and over
04:20.58RetroidNot many replies
04:21.15RetroidAlthough, I have never used a mailing list before, so I am probably doing something wrong
04:21.21ollyis it mostly students asking very generic questions (or non-questions)?
04:21.33Retroidnon-questions, and the occasional question about building
04:21.40ollythat seems to be getting more common each year sadly
04:21.44RetroidBasically people saying where they are from and that they are interested in the project
04:22.11RetroidI honestly don't think I'll get selected, just because I found out about this late, but at least it introduced me to something I think I could contribute to
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04:23.12RetroidWell, not just because I found out about this late, I am also still learning and have never contributed before
04:23.24ollymost students haven't
04:24.03Retroidyeah, but I am sure they will pick someone that has, my only luck is that everyone is on the same playing field and I can somehow stick out
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04:24.55Retroidbut unless I'm mistaken, all this program does is give payment to people who complete it and a mentoring system?
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04:44.08ExoticCarManis there a general template for a proposal listed anywhere?
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04:45.11ollyExoticCarMan: orgs generally have their own
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04:46.05sgulatiHey...the registration form has a field name "major"...do we have to fill the major project we are doing in our academics?
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04:46.54ollyExoticCarMan: if not, see https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#5._What_should_a_student_proposal_look
04:47.18ExoticCarMansgulati: Your major at the university.
04:47.24ollysgulati: it means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_%28academic%29
04:48.20ExoticCarManolly: thanks. I doesn't look like this specific org has an outline to the "your project proposal" part
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04:48.38ollyhave you asked them?
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06:00.50eklavya1Can a proposal be edited after submitting it?
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06:10.35valorieyes, up to the deadline
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06:14.04eklavya1Thanks valorie.
06:14.39valorieyou're welcome
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07:39.48gsoc335hello does mentioning if you are submitting another proposal affect your chances?
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07:45.17NikolaiToryzinThat's up to the org
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07:52.19|Kev|gsoc335: I imagine that most orgs would just take it as par for the course. We know students apply to multiple places, and saying so would just let us plan for possibilities, rather than reducing someone's chance. I can't promise, though.
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07:53.12gsoc335but simply not mentioning it is not bad, right? given that the org doesnt have a set proposal template
07:53.26|Kev|Equally, whether students apply to other orgs is something we ask. If a student said 'no', and we found out they were lying, I'd not select the student on that basis.
07:53.46|Kev|gsoc335: If they don't ask, I don't see a reason to mention it unless you want to.
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07:54.13gsoc335okay, thanks!
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09:15.35coolsounak101Hi
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09:21.14canishi does KDE have any specific proposal template? Also are there any questions that KDE asks a student ?
09:22.09kblincanis: shouldn't melange display the template?
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09:22.35caniskblin: melange doesn't display any template
09:22.35kblinvalorie or Nightrose might know more as well, not sure if either of them is online right now, though
09:22.48caniskblin: are you from KDE?
09:23.08kblinnope, I haven't even used KDE since whenever KDE4 was released :)
09:23.46caniskblin: oh ok. There is nothing specific on melange. I just selected my org as KDE and got the melange editor
09:23.56SeunBuntuthe gsoc I'm intrested in has a py library with buggy examples, is fixing them basically the same as other bug fixes?
09:24.00canisso I just wanted to make sure if I am missing out on something
09:24.33canisI don't want to find out later that KDE had some questions that were required to be answered or something
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09:25.22kblinSeunBuntu: ask your mentoring org?
09:25.29Nightrosecanis: hey
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09:25.55Nightrosecanis: if you join #kde-soc then there is a link to successful past proposals in the topic
09:26.06Nightroseyou can use those for example as a guide for your proposal
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09:26.31Nightroseyour mentor might also want you to fix a small bug or something. best reach out to him/her for that
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09:26.58canisok thanks Nightrose
09:27.13Nightroseyou're welcome
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09:28.59ExoticCarManHow bad is a week off during gsoc?
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09:29.43gevaertsExoticCarMan: usually not very, if it's planned or properly discussed in advancde
09:30.14ExoticCarMangevaerts: thanks. I got worried reading over one organization's gsoc that I'd fall too far behind
09:30.34ExoticCarManone org's page
09:30.51ollyit's up to the org, so ask them not us
09:31.02gevaertsExoticCarMan: discuss it with your mentor, if you know it already mention it in your proposal. I'd expect most orgs to be fine with it then
09:31.21ExoticCarManthanks, will do
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10:53.02coolsounak101Hi, I am willing to work with Beagleboard.org in PRU applications domain. I have already posted my proposal in the beagle-gsoc irc. Kindly review my proposal and suggest how to proceed
10:54.21ollycoolsounak101: this is a general channel - you need to talk to the beagleboard people
10:54.25gevaertscoolsounak101: the only thing we're going to do here is redirect you back to beagleboard
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10:55.31coolsounak101ok no prob....
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11:52.07arav93How long does it take to know if my enrolment form is accepted or not?
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11:54.33kagimubhi. hope all is well. When does the actual coding begin for the program?
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11:59.27Antoniogra7both questions can be answered if you look at the events timeline in gsoc webpage
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12:01.59kagimubok thank you. let me check it out
12:04.08kagimubthank you. I have read it
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12:13.17coder_dzHello everybody, I want to know how to apply to a project? Let's say, I have ideas to add to Drupal, then where should I apply? On Google's website or to Drupal's itself?
12:13.59gevaertscoder_dz: you discuss the ideas with the drupal people and you formally apply on the melange website
12:13.59Niharikacoder_dz: You should discuss the idea with Drupal folks and then apply on Melange.
12:14.07gevaerts!faq | coder_dz
12:14.08gsocbotcoder_dz: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
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12:14.14gevaerts!studentguide | coder_dz
12:14.15gsocbotcoder_dz: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ or if that site is down https://web.archive.org/web/20150314235727/http://flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/
12:14.28coder_dzThanks guys! Really great!
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15:51.12swookIt's comforting to know that hasn't changed over the years
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16:18.52carolshi quim
16:20.51jkridnerolly: if you are wondering where to send people looking for BeagleBoard.org, you can send them to #beagle-gsoc
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16:24.14quimcarols: can't I enroll to gsoc without involving my highschool?
16:24.34carolsquim: um, to participate in gsoc you must be an accepted or enrolled university student
16:24.52carolsbut you don’t “involve” the school, regardless, it’s between you and the mentoring organization
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16:30.47quimcarols: there's a minimum age or semthing like that? I'm not from the US and I don't know if university level there is the same as here
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16:31.39suyashHi, I just had a simple question to ask. How are conflicts resolved if a student gets selected for 2 orgs ?
16:31.55gevaerts!faq | quim
16:31.55gsocbotquim: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page
16:31.59gevaerts!studentguide | quim
16:31.59gsocbotquim: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ or if that site is down https://web.archive.org/web/20150314235727/http://flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/
16:32.09gevaertsThose should answer most of your questions
16:32.34gevaertssuyash: the org admins talk to each other to resolve the conflict. The *may* talk to the student too
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16:33.34gevaerts!eligible | quim
16:33.35gsocbotquim: "eligible" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#1._Are_there_any_age_restrictions_on
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16:33.43gevaertsThat's the specific link
16:33.55quimgevaerts: carols thanks for the links!
16:34.06gevaertsBut read the rest too. It's full of useful information :)
16:34.14carolsyw
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17:23.02doovdHi I've just uploaded my proof of student status
17:23.10carolsdoovd: great
17:23.13doovdWould it be possible to know when it'll be reviewd as the deadline is close?
17:23.16doovd*reviewed
17:23.26carolsdoovd: did you read the proof of enrollment instructions?
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17:24.28KalmaneCKNHello guys.. I have a small doubt.. I alredy sent a proposal to an organization.. Can i edit this proposal evev after the application deadline is over??
17:24.32doovdI did indeed and I am aware it said that asking about it on IRC is unnecessary (sorry), I was just worried if my proof is sufficient or not
17:24.57carolsKalmaneCKN: only if your organization chooses to allow it. but no, not by default
17:25.07carolsdoovd: you’ll be contacted if we need another form from you
17:25.54doovdBrilliant, thank you!
17:26.00KalmaneCKNOh..ok..Thank you..
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17:40.18ketulhello as a student I want to ask if I upload two proposals in different orgs, whether all the org members are able to watch it or the particular org's member to who I applied?
17:40.40carolsketul: only the org to which you applied can see the application for their org
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17:56.55carolsserves some more tea and coffee
17:57.40meflinmmm tea thanks
17:57.44carolsyw meflin
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18:22.05shiprehello say If my application get selected in 2 orgs . Then what will be the next?
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18:22.21meflinthe orgs will conference and choose
18:22.28carolsshipre: they’ll decide amongst them who accepts you
18:22.53shiprestudent will have no choice?
18:22.57carolsnope
18:23.08carolsso please don’t apply for any org you don’t want to be accepted by
18:23.30shipreok
18:23.38shiprebut want to be more clear.
18:23.45carolssure, about what?
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18:24.20shipreif one is selected in both. then is there any possibility of not getting selected in none?
18:24.29carolsshipre: no
18:24.41carolsif you’re not accepted, that’s because no one accepted you
18:24.47carolsnot because more than one org accepted you
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18:26.46shipreok so in first phase org will accept the student without knowing the student's application in others. So if he gets selected in both then they will do conference and decide. So there will be no chance of not getting selected,. Am I right carols?
18:27.15|Kev|Only scenario I could see would be that orgs found out there was a conflict, the student had said they were only applying to one org, and neither wanted them any more because of the lie.
18:27.25carolsshipre: correct
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18:28.20shiprekev didn't get
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18:29.21meflinAFAIK that case has never happened
18:29.33|Kev|meflin: I didn't claim it had.
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18:29.40carolsreally, you need to focus on making one good application and getting selected by one org
18:29.47carolsthat’s the thing that you need to care about
18:29.54carolswe don’t get that many duplicates each year.
18:30.01carolswe don’t accept a lot of students, though
18:30.02Corey84shipre,  you can apply to many orgs if there comes a conflict gsoc will notify YOU and the orgs and it will be ironed out
18:30.20carolsCorey84: that’s not true
18:30.23|Kev|Is that true? I didn't think melange notified the student.
18:30.29carolswe don’t notify students if they’re in a duplicate situation
18:30.51carolsCorey84: please make sure you have your info correct in the future before you tell folks things
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18:31.39shiprecarols ya that i know but I am willing to participate in the orgs that have almost same domain. So I would trying to apply in 2 orgs
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18:31.49carolsshipre: great, good luck!
18:32.04shiprethanks man. nice time with u
18:32.11carolsit’s ma’am
18:32.13carolsyou’re welcome
18:32.13|Kev|shipre: Then you don't need to worry about conflicts. As long as you want to participate with any org you apply to, you're golden.
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18:33.07naveenvalechaMy college period is finished by the end of this june, but I did not find any case regarding the same on the gsoc melange.So Am I eligible for same ?
18:33.21carolsnaveenvalecha: that’s answered in the faqs.
18:34.14suyashcarols: it would actually be more comfortable to know that there is "exactly" this particular aspect that comes into play, when resolving a conflict, that there is exactly a particular thing that will matter when resolving it
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18:34.29carolssuyash: i’m not sure what you mean, sorry
18:34.42meflinthere is no exactly
18:35.00meflinits not something students need to be concerned about
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18:35.57naveenvalechacarols: Not found the answer for the above question. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#8._I_graduate_in_the_middle_of_the
18:36.10naveenvalechacarols: need help
18:36.11carolsnaveenvalecha: not found? or did find?
18:36.20carolsnaveenvalecha: i’m not sure what you need help with?
18:36.22|Kev|naveenvalecha: You pasted exactly the answer to your question!
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18:38.13gedarenaveenvalecha: you can participate if you meet the other req'ts. most european students have a similar issue as you.
18:38.37suyashmeflin: exactly my point, but here's the thing, students like me applying to multiple orgs do have a preference order, and there are multiple things that can happen, for example what if my first preference org doesn't get enough slots, or the fact that I actually like both the projects, and would be willing to work on either of them, but would still prefer
18:38.37suyashworking on one over the other
18:38.50naveenvalechagedare: I have enrolled in 2011 and my college is finished by the end of june 2014 and after that I'm gonna join some company after few months.So in this case did not get any problem later ?
18:39.15meflinsuyash: do not apply to orgs you do not want to work with .. done
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18:39.41gedarenaveenvalecha: sure, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#8._I_graduate_in_the_middle_of_the is pretty clear i think.
18:39.51sttaylorsuyash: rarely do students get accepted by multiple orgs, it really isn’t an issue you should worry too much about
18:40.06|Kev|naveenvalecha: June 201*4*?
18:40.15gedaregood point about the year though.
18:40.19naveenvalecha*2015
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18:40.27naveenvalechagedare: Thanks!
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18:42.22suyashjust a final question, this is my first time, and I am not really familiar with the process, but when the results come out, will a student be notified of *every* org he was selected for, or just the one assigned to him
18:42.49meflinjust the one
18:43.17suyashthanks, cheers !
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18:45.11gevaertsTechnically you're never selected for more than one org
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18:59.12Diego89Does the document college tuition this year is valid in the enrollment form?
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19:00.28meflinDiego89: read the FAQ its in there ... I think its enrollment not tuition .. could be wrong tho :)
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19:01.29Bennz__I have a question.
19:01.38carolsBennz__: sure, we’ll try to help if we can
19:01.45Diego89meflin: I know, but in Spain my student card haven't the year of the course and we don't have transcript
19:03.09Bennz__I was trying to add image to my proposal however I could not load an image from the C drive. How do you add images to your proposal with google Text box?
19:03.24carolsBennz__: you can’t, you’d need to just make a url
19:04.11aalekhn_Bennz__: there are many online services for help, for instance use imgur.
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19:04.38meflinDiego89: did you read the faq about this?
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19:04.42Diego89Also I don't have a letter from my college this year because I was admitted in 2013
19:04.53carolsDiego89: did you read the instruction sheet?
19:04.59Bennz__how do you make a url if you have a diagram or lets say a pipeline to your proposal?
19:05.18carolsBennz__: just type in the URL, it’s a WYSIWYG editor
19:05.53Diego89Yes, but I can only show that I am studying in college up the enrolled
19:06.11carolsDiego89: did you read the whole thing?
19:06.50carolsDiego89: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment “Rather than ask questions on the mailing list or in IRC about whether or not the document you have is acceptable as proof of enrollment, simply submit the document to Melange. If it is not what we need, we will request an alternate document from you. If you do not receive an email request from us for a new document you can assume what you
19:06.51carolssubmitted is fine.”
19:06.51Diego89@carols: I have read this URL https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/proofofenrollment
19:07.16Bennz__The url that I have is C drive: C:\\program file\my\proposal.doc will this work
19:07.34carolsBennz__: no, that won’t work
19:07.39carolsyou’ll need to do more research on this
19:07.52geeksparkin what format are we supposed to submit our proposal..??
19:08.10carolsgeekspark: in the format of the text box for the proposal.
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19:09.08Bennz__The images I have is .jpg files.  Do I need to add them to Internet like facebook?
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19:09.16Diego89carols: thank you and sorry. I just wanted to make sure it was valid.
19:09.27geeksparkI mean pdf or word file...?
19:09.39gedareBennz__: you need to upload the image to a file or image hosting service and provide the link to the file in your proposal.
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19:10.11gedareBennz__: yes, on the internet
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19:11.52gevaertsgeekspark: the proposal ends up as html with some restrictions
19:12.33geeksparkwhat restrictions..?
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19:13.13gevaertsI don't know the details. Things like no script tags at least, maybe more
19:13.23gevaertsIIRC some style attributes might not work
19:15.21Bennz__How can I load images from amazon account. Do they have to have a public access enabled to url it into GSoc site?
19:15.58carolsBennz__: how about this. why not ask your potential mentoring organization what they’d like you to do?
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19:16.12gevaertsBennz__: just try...
19:16.15carolsthey can give you the instructions on what they want.
19:16.32gevaertsYou can't expect people here to know the details of all possible image hosters on the net
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19:17.31Bennz__This question was related to GSoC platform they might not be experts here.
19:17.59carolsBennz__: they might not be, but you might as well try
19:18.18Bennz__okay
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19:25.52geeksparkcan we include images in our proposal..?
19:26.17meflinno but you can link to them
19:26.17carolsgeekspark: no, only urls
19:26.34geeksparkcarlos:thnx :)
19:26.41gedareasciiart might work.
19:26.51geeksparkcarols"thnx:)
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19:36.34sevteenAnyone here?
19:36.43formapyes
19:36.59sevteenOk, just testing (new to irc)
19:37.12formapokay :)
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20:01.05bhash90Hi
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20:01.40meflinhi
20:02.35carolsdid you have a question bhash90, or just saying hello?
20:03.06bhash90is it possible (or how often) a good, detailed proposal miss GSoC due to lack of a mentor for particular project
20:03.19meflinrare
20:03.29meflinif it is good
20:03.34carolsbhash90: yes, it’s possible.
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20:03.39carolsbut it’s not likely.
20:05.11bhash90most of the active community members in the organization I'm working are unlikely to appoint as mentors :(
20:05.39carolsbhash90: well, we can’t force people to mentor who don’t want to
20:05.41carolsnor should we
20:06.05meflinbe unconcerned and be excellent
20:06.47bhash90:)
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20:07.48gedareit would definitely happen if a better, more detailed proposal exists with a mentor
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20:08.12gedarebut, if you make a great proposal, the community will probably step up for you
20:09.05gedarethere are almost always more good projects than mentors, unfortunately. that's just the way of open source
20:09.11gevaertsI'd expect orgs to have mentors in mind for all of the ideas they list, which would mean that at worst you're competing against other students
20:09.25gevaertsWhich you are anyway :)
20:09.36gedare+1 gevaerts
20:09.49gedareor maybe +2.
20:10.23vin-ivarand, well, slots
20:10.32gevaertsOf course, if you proposed your own idea, not finding a suitable mentor suddenly becomes more realistic
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20:11.44bhash90it is more a proposal made by me based on a discussion we had
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20:11.59gedarethat's risky, if you don't enlist a mentor
20:13.03bhash90not listed in idea page. But community really like that idea
20:13.17carolsbhash90: that’s a great conversation to have with the org
20:13.39carolsthey’re the ones who will decide if a mentor gets assigned
20:13.42carolsit’s all up to them
20:13.55gedarebe convincing. :)
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20:14.56bhash90thanks for the advice
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20:18.02bhash90is it possible for me to choose Google Open Source Program Office as the second option for the project?
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20:18.26carolsbhash90: is this a research project under the supervision of your university advisor?
20:18.45bhash90project involve some research and I can find a mentor from uni
20:19.04carolsbhash90: i’d suggest you read over the FAQs for the OSPO umbrella.
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20:27.06dargor0hi, a quick question: can I mentor a project from a different sub-org I registered? I guess yes... am I right?
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20:27.40meflindepends on the umbrella you would need to ask them
20:28.00dargor0of course, I'd ask permission first :)
20:28.14meflinthis is first so you did not
20:28.33meflinwhat umbrella?
20:29.31dargor0ah, sorry, I meant to ask this in python-gsoc :p
20:29.43meflinthen you should
20:29.48dargor0yeah, I'm from Python umbrella
20:29.59meflinso ask there
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20:32.08Mandeep_Singhhi, My question is : What if someone copies a part of my proposal and he submits it before me? :)
20:32.56meflinhow can that even happen?
20:33.09carolswhat meflin said
20:33.24Mandeep_SinghBecause I may haven't completed mine yet :P
20:33.36carolsMandeep_Singh: but how would someone see it to copy it?
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20:35.01Mandeep_Singhjust in case
20:35.27carolsi’m not sure what’s “just in case” this isn’t something i can see happening, so i’m not sure what you’re preparing for
20:35.57downeyanyone for fresh tea?
20:36.02carolsdowney: yes please!
20:36.13carolsis actually having chinese tea and cookies in real life too :-)
20:36.16meflinI could use some tea
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20:36.24carolsawww
20:36.28carolslolcookie left
20:36.30carolsjust before the tea
20:36.32downeyhttp://s.quickmeme.com/img/95/95c6d2e44bc716d5f5aa106de2574371d5b349842efdb2468a1d2eb9d4ab9a67.jpg
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20:42.16downeyponders baking "LOL" cookies
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20:42.35carolsdowney: oh, please do :-)
20:42.39carolsand serve them in here
20:42.59downeysomething like http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/339/9/b/__lol___cookies_by_sagethemouse-d34ai9p.jpg
20:43.07carolsyes
20:43.18downeymy skill level might be up to something like that
20:44.00meflinbah bake a sugar cookies and pipe frosting on it with LOL
20:44.12meflinI wonder if I can get those on a plane ....
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20:54.24soumiwhts happening here?
20:54.36soumilol cookies and stuff? :P
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20:56.13carolssoumi: you can help yourself to some tea as well if you’d like.
20:56.31meflinand some nice coffee
20:56.49meflinwe also have chocolate croissants
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21:05.55soumiThere something like a GSOC reunion i guess
21:06.14soumi:P we'd have it there
21:06.16soumi:P
21:08.09siticI can update a proposal after I've submitted it, correct?
21:08.40carolssitic: until the deadline
21:08.48siticthanks :-)
21:09.01carolsyw
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21:10.23meflinsoumi: ?
21:10.55soumimeflin: nuffin man, just let it go
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21:38.37soumiWho is the youngest in here?
21:38.42soumi:) JFF
21:39.05meflinoff topic
21:39.24carolssoumi: yes, please take that to the off topic channel
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22:30.40gangil1hi, how should I format the text in the editor so that there are line breaks? I am pasting my proposal from a gist to the editor and it has quite a few long single lines
22:30.46gangil1the preview isnt helping
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22:31.29carolsgangil1: have you tried ediitng the html?
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22:32.32gangil1carols: I can try that, but I was just wondering if there is a easier way.
22:32.43carolsgangil1: maybe there is, that’s just my suggestion.
22:32.48carolsmaybe other folks here have other ideas.
22:33.01gangil1has a feature request: Import proposals from github or support markdown editor
22:33.15gangil1/s/github/gist
22:33.39carolsgangil1: for feature requests in melange, please file a bug.
22:33.49carolsalso, melange is open source, so you’re also welcome to submit a patch.
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22:42.31|Kev|Submitting patches for open source projects? It'll never take off.
22:43.11carols|Kev|: i know. it’s really a hope i maintain against all other evidence to the contrary.
22:43.30gedarethe world needs dreamers.
22:43.53|Kev|Google should put some of its money into encourage it. Maybe catch people while they're young?
22:43.59|Kev|*encouraging
22:43.59carols|Kev|: huh
22:44.05carolsthat sounds like an interesting idea.
22:44.12carolsi should talk to some folks.
22:44.15|Kev|Please.
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22:44.20carolsrun it up the flagpole as it were.
22:44.55gevaertsThe thing is of course that melange is a bit of a niche app
22:45.16carolsgevaerts: sure is, which is why it’s in the state it’s in
22:45.17|Kev|gevaerts: Yes, but then a number of its users are really quite motivated by the thing they're using it for, so ...
22:46.00gevaerts|Kev|: most of them only use it when they have a looming deadline on something else...
22:46.07|Kev|Point.
22:46.24carolsvery good point.
22:47.18gevaertsWhich is of course why so many applications come in near the deadline. Students are working on melange, *nearly* know how to fix the issue they're working on, and then suddenly remember their gsoc proposal
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22:56.32gangil1found a workaround http://pytest-commit.git.net/sympy/msg10670.html
22:58.33andreimariusIf I will be Google Intern this summer, am I eligible to be GSoC mentor?
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23:02.00valorieandreimarius: that is up to the org
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23:02.16andreimariusvalorie: thanks
23:02.19valoriein KDE at least, we want established community members as mentors
23:02.34valorieor at least well-known to us
23:02.48valoriebut I don't think that is true everywhere
23:05.28Slurpeevalorie, but there is no rule again Google staff/interns participating as a mentor?
23:05.30gedareyou can't be both thhe same summer.
23:05.38gedareoh, nevermind. :0
23:05.43gedarei misread the question!
23:06.13valorieSlurpee: not to my knowledge
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23:30.49travs_Hi there, I have a question about enrolment proof that is not answered in the FAQ, nor the manual. Is someone able to help me?
23:31.29dfighterask the question
23:31.34dfightermaybe we can help, maybe we can't
23:31.44dfighterwe'll never know, unless you ask ;)
23:33.28travs_Haha ok. I am accepted into my university, but through some red tape I'm not able to get proof of enrolment by March 27th, though I will be accepted before the April 27th deadline. I have my proposals complete, but am not able to submit them until I have uploaded enrolment proof
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23:34.07travs_Is there any way to get my proposals up and defer the proof of enrolment until shortly after the March 27 proposal deadline?
23:34.24dfighterno extensions
23:34.52dfighterthat's for sure
23:34.54dfighteras for the rest
23:35.00dfighteryou should mail Carol
23:35.07dfighterI'm sure she can help
23:35.18travs_Ok, awesome. What's her email?
23:35.19chickHi how can a submit a second proposal on melange? I cant find a link on dashboard to upload a second proposal
23:35.40dfighterin earlier years we didn't need to submit the proof right away
23:35.51dfighterso it was probably changed because many people forgot about it
23:36.00travs_Makes sense
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23:36.30travs_what's carol's email?
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23:36.54dfightercarols@google.com
23:37.19gsoc_manmadrazr: How long are we allowed to edit our proposals? ( Can I edit my proposal after 27th? )
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23:37.35dfightergsoc_man, only if the org allows it
23:37.42travs_great, thanks dfighter
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23:37.52dfighterchick, the same way you submitted the first one
23:38.51gsoc_mandfighter: Thanks! does that mean they have an option to make my proposal editable? If so till when will I be allowed to edit?
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23:39.11chickdfighter, Thanks
23:39.32dfightergsoc_man, that really depends on them
23:39.40gsoc_mandfighter: thanks
23:39.42gsoc_man:)
23:39.44dfighterusually they don't allow it
23:39.48dfighterso don't count on it
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23:40.12gsoc_mandfighter: Ah... that was why I asked... that was really helpful thanks!
23:40.19dfighter:)
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23:40.31dfightergsoc_man, you really need to ask tho
23:41.11gsoc_manYea I just joined my org's irc :D thanks!
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23:41.36gsoc_mandfighter: If I may ask, are you a student?
23:41.48dfighteryes to both of the questions
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23:42.01gsoc_manhaha atb :)
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23:44.17dfighterwhat's an atb in this context? o.O
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