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| 14:42.07 | d3r1ck | hello |
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| 14:42.39 | d3r1ck | I wish to ask a question about GSoC to any admin |
| 14:42.56 | AbhToChill | well just ask.. if anyone else can answer they will |
| 14:42.56 | d3r1ck | If he/she is around, should just write me so i ask my question |
| 14:43.06 | d3r1ck | ok |
| 14:43.38 | AbhToChill | if no one can than u shud wait for admin but first ask it here anyway |
| 14:44.03 | d3r1ck | What is the most necessary activity in the GSoC program? |
| 14:44.18 | d3r1ck | or *most important* |
| 14:44.23 | AbhToChill | Writing a good code |
| 14:44.25 | AbhToChill | ? |
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| 14:44.51 | d3r1ck | Now why is there a need for a proposal before GSoC? |
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| 14:45.05 | AbhToChill | to do selection? |
| 14:45.30 | d3r1ck | In the proposal, there is a part for implementation details right? |
| 14:45.53 | AbhToChill | yh |
| 14:46.18 | d3r1ck | Is it the design of the project that does there or the Codes? |
| 14:46.44 | AbhToChill | its implementation details... umm name says it all |
| 14:46.45 | blast007 | d3r1ck: that probably dpends on the organization you're applying to. In general I'd assume there would be some details about how the project would be accomplished along with a rough timeline. |
| 14:46.52 | AbhToChill | its more like design |
| 14:47.12 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: nice, now you see in my line of reasoning |
| 14:47.24 | AbhToChill | i dont... |
| 14:47.38 | AbhToChill | if u cant plan a structure of program... you cant code it |
| 14:47.54 | d3r1ck | So from my own opinion, Melange looks at the design of the system and see if it is feasible for the project to be implemented during the summer right? |
| 14:47.57 | AbhToChill | implementation details u describe the structure more like... |
| 14:48.30 | d3r1ck | blast007: Its Design |
| 14:48.49 | AbhToChill | they see that you are having knowledge to implement it? like do u actualy have a idea what you are implementing... databases tables algorithims requires technologies |
| 14:49.20 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: so they focus on the design when reading proposals right? |
| 14:49.24 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: not codes |
| 14:49.43 | AbhToChill | they focus on what u know and do u seem like one who can implement it? |
| 14:49.52 | d3r1ck | ok |
| 14:49.57 | AbhToChill | and do u have any idea how it will be implemented |
| 14:50.02 | AbhToChill | u dont only gotta show frontend |
| 14:50.03 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: There are people who can code but can |
| 14:50.08 | d3r1ck | sorry about that |
| 14:50.16 | AbhToChill | but u gotta explain how code will work |
| 14:50.24 | AbhToChill | just not write lines of codes |
| 14:50.38 | AbhToChill | same time u can send few patches and fix few bugs in ur org |
| 14:50.43 | AbhToChill | to prove ur efficiency |
| 14:50.43 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: There are people who can code but can't implement but if you can implement, then you have an idea of coding. Do you understand what i am saying? |
| 14:51.15 | d3r1ck | *who can code but can't design* |
| 14:51.42 | AbhToChill | derick i am same |
| 14:51.46 | AbhToChill | but its not about frontend design |
| 14:51.55 | AbhToChill | when one says design and implementation they mean the coding design |
| 14:52.00 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: There are people who can code but can't design but if you can design, then you have an idea of coding. Do you understand what i am saying? |
| 14:52.22 | AbhToChill | lets say...a project about printing all even numbers... |
| 14:52.22 | d3r1ck | Implementation is coding |
| 14:52.27 | AbhToChill | in implementation details |
| 14:52.39 | d3r1ck | while design is the abstract or method |
| 14:52.40 | blast007 | d3r1ck: some organizations also require that students complete some code-related task, for instance, fixing a bug, writing a code sample, modifying the source code and compiling it to show an understanding for the build system, etc |
| 14:52.41 | AbhToChill | you will write somthing like this "i will achieve this by a loop that increments by 2" |
| 14:52.58 | d3r1ck | blast007: exactly, that true |
| 14:53.15 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: thats the design or say algorithm |
| 14:54.08 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: but developing an algorithm is not sufficient enough for you to say you can program it in a language(implementation or coding) |
| 14:55.00 | dfighter | that's why they typically give you tasks to complete |
| 14:55.00 | d3r1ck | What i want to understand is that does melange look at your proposal? |
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| 14:55.15 | dfighter | d3r1ck, Melange doesn't look for anything, Melange is just a platform |
| 14:55.38 | dfighter | as for what organizations look for exactly, that's up to them |
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| 14:56.43 | dfighter | however it's typically a combination of your proposal, your results with those little tasks ( if they gave you ), your behavior, etc |
| 14:57.21 | dfighter | consider the selection like if it was a selection for a job |
| 14:57.22 | AbhToChill | ^ |
| 14:57.24 | dfighter | a job interview |
| 14:57.31 | dfighter | or an application for a government tender |
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| 15:03.20 | d3r1ck | ok i am back |
| 15:03.43 | d3r1ck | my machine went down abnormaly |
| 15:04.03 | d3r1ck | I was talking about GSoC |
| 15:04.29 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill, blast007, dfighter, So what about a new idea that you want to start working on from scratch? |
| 15:04.46 | AbhToChill | you should be able to explain it to org |
| 15:04.51 | dfighter | d3r1ck, what do you mean? |
| 15:04.54 | dfighter | what about them? |
| 15:04.56 | AbhToChill | so that they can analyse that is it even worth it? |
| 15:05.12 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: ok seems like it |
| 15:05.28 | d3r1ck | dfighter: i am talking about you starting something new for the organisation |
| 15:05.42 | dfighter | d3r1ck, I understand that, but what is your question? |
| 15:05.44 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: Can someone use the process of SDLC to do GSoC? |
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| 15:06.44 | AbhToChill | ??? |
| 15:06.55 | AbhToChill | when u mean to do gsoc what exactly do u mean |
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| 15:07.25 | dfighter | actual sdlc artifacts would be probably an overkill as a gsoc proposal :P |
| 15:07.44 | d3r1ck | dfighter: meaning do you need to fix bugs before developing a new idea? |
| 15:08.04 | dfighter | d3r1ck, that depends on the organization |
| 15:08.06 | AbhToChill | derick its more like u shud be able to present urself in ur proposal... u should be able to show that u know what u are doing...and that u can do it.... |
| 15:08.22 | dfighter | d3r1ck, however probably they will want to know you |
| 15:08.28 | dfighter | also they have to like your idea |
| 15:08.31 | dfighter | find it useful |
| 15:08.59 | d3r1ck | ok |
| 15:09.10 | teepee | d3r1ck: the bugfixing is intended to see the student can work with the existing codebase |
| 15:09.34 | teepee | d3r1ck: essentially the org (often) knows nothing about the student when gsoc starts |
| 15:09.38 | d3r1ck | teepee: now there is no code base for my project |
| 15:09.46 | blast007 | d3r1ck: for a new idea that they didn't have on their list, you would discuss that with the organization prior to writing the proposal to see if it's even something they want |
| 15:09.47 | AbhToChill | teepee than u just gotta present |
| 15:09.49 | AbhToChill | show past experience |
| 15:09.53 | AbhToChill | derik* |
| 15:10.19 | AbhToChill | u gotta show them.. what u propose is usefull and u can achieve it |
| 15:10.38 | d3r1ck | blast007: you don't understand me yet |
| 15:10.45 | AbhToChill | basicaly... think about one thing .. i can claim to be a proffessional c developer while i dont know c at all |
| 15:10.57 | d3r1ck | blast007: they idea is on the list but it has not yet been implemented and has no codebase |
| 15:11.02 | AbhToChill | dont know programing but i am taking part in gsoc |
| 15:11.09 | AbhToChill | how do u really think thats gonna work out |
| 15:11.16 | blast007 | d3r1ck: talking with the organization is still the answer then |
| 15:11.26 | blast007 | (again, prior to writing the proposal) |
| 15:12.11 | blast007 | communication in GSoC is very important |
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| 15:13.01 | teepee | agrees very much with blast007 - also for open source in general |
| 15:13.14 | d3r1ck | blast007, AbhToChill: ok |
| 15:13.40 | d3r1ck | Because i know Coding is the most important thing during GSoC |
| 15:14.06 | AbhToChill | derick.. if u cant develop a logic... what good is coding? |
| 15:14.08 | d3r1ck | but before GSoC, one can do some work too for a new idea like UML design of the system right? |
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| 15:14.31 | blast007 | you don't need GSoC to contribute to open source projects |
| 15:14.38 | d3r1ck | blast007: yes |
| 15:14.45 | d3r1ck | but i am talking about GSoC here |
| 15:14.58 | blast007 | but you said before GSoC |
| 15:14.59 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:15.02 | AbhToChill | learning coding is like easiest thing in world ..... but learning to develop logics and algorigtms is totaly ifferent |
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| 15:15.30 | d3r1ck | blast007: i mean before the program begins in May |
| 15:15.39 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: yeap |
| 15:15.59 | d3r1ck | Is SDLC useful during GSoC or in the GSoC program? |
| 15:16.08 | blast007 | ask your org |
| 15:16.29 | d3r1ck | blast007: ok i will do that |
| 15:16.47 | d3r1ck | But was i reasonable in my questions and discussion? |
| 15:16.49 | AbhToChill | every org have different mentor.. every mentor is different person |
| 15:17.01 | AbhToChill | every person have different ideology |
| 15:17.04 | d3r1ck | AbhToChill: yes |
| 15:17.06 | AbhToChill | different demands |
| 15:17.08 | d3r1ck | thats true |
| 15:17.14 | AbhToChill | different expectation |
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| 15:22.02 | d3r1ck | Thanks so much for your time and contribution for the topic |
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