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| 07:03.14 | |Kev| | olly: Taking the 13th as a sample, about 8%. |
| 07:04.03 | |Kev| | Rising to over 25% if you include all the botplay. |
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| 08:36.38 | decltypeme | 24 April:Student acceptance choice deadline. |
| 08:36.53 | decltypeme | Does this mean all students will be notified if they have offers on 24th April? |
| 08:39.24 | valorie | !next |
| 08:39.25 | gsocbot | valorie: "next" is GSoC 2015 students will be announced on 27 April at 19:00 UTC |
| 08:39.41 | valorie | so yes |
| 08:39.54 | Niharika | Er, no? |
| 08:40.16 | decltypeme | yes means students will be notified on 24th or 27th only? |
| 08:40.26 | valorie | oops, what you quoted is that orgs need to tell Google that |
| 08:40.28 | Niharika | decltypeme: The students who have duplicate offers may or may not be notified about duplicate offers and asked for a choice. |
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| 08:40.42 | valorie | and then deduplication happens if necessary |
| 08:40.45 | Niharika | By 24 April. |
| 08:40.59 | decltypeme | So there is no "official melange" acceptance notification before 27th? |
| 08:41.07 | Niharika | decltypeme: No. |
| 08:41.11 | valorie | orgs are forbidden from telling students they are accepted |
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| 08:42.03 | valorie | certainly if Niharika's situation comes up, they can intuit that they will be accepted |
| 08:42.42 | Niharika | My situation valorie? |
| 08:42.54 | decltypeme | Great.. have a great day/night... |
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| 08:43.07 | decltypeme | Niharika: I believe he means if student is notified of duplication |
| 08:43.25 | Niharika | She* |
| 08:43.34 | Niharika | Ah. |
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| 08:44.17 | decltypeme | She ... sorry :D |
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| 08:52.38 | icodemachine | Niharika: Do you have a duplicate acceptance issue? |
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| 09:17.34 | Niharika | is not a student (not in context of GSoC, that is) |
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| 09:28.20 | kblin_ | I'm only still a student as in "you can lure me to a talk with free food" |
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| 12:58.11 | r2b | Hi, What happens if a student continues to work on his/her gsoc project in this period and when accepted students are announced the student is accepted and the project is halfway done? |
| 12:58.52 | Niharika | r2b: Nothing happens? Good for the student though. |
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| 12:59.59 | r2b | Niharika: Hm. That's cool. Thanks. |
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| 13:16.19 | soumitra | Is there a possibility that an accepted organisation doesn't get any slots? |
| 13:16.52 | soumitra | Also whether an organisation can withdraw its project midway between the coding period? |
| 13:16.55 | gevaerts | soumitra: there's a possibility that they ask for no slots |
| 13:17.35 | soumitra | gevaerts: And why would they do so? I mean they put it up for GSOC for a reason right> |
| 13:17.52 | gevaerts | Because they got no proposals they think are good enough |
| 13:18.30 | soumitra | gevaerts: and what about withdrawing midway between the coding period? |
| 13:18.46 | gevaerts | In what way? |
| 13:18.56 | gevaerts | They can fail the student at midterm |
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| 13:26.19 | soumitra | gevaerts: Nope, whether they can as an organisation, step back from GSOC. |
| 13:26.40 | gevaerts | I haven't heard of that happening |
| 13:26.43 | soumitra | gevaerts: I know about students being failed at midterm but that is not relevant here |
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| 14:07.06 | vin-ivar | i don't know whether I ought to mail my org or not :s |
| 14:07.19 | vin-ivar | on the one hand, i don't want to nag them, on the other, i'd like some idea |
| 14:11.02 | vin-ivar | gsocbot should do magic 2-ball, anybody could roll when they're going through a quarter-life crisis |
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| 14:14.37 | kblin | patches welcome |
| 14:15.37 | vin-ivar | where's the repository |
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| 14:16.02 | kblin | https://github.com/kblin/supybot-gsoc |
| 14:16.11 | vin-ivar | cheers |
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| 15:05.52 | scottyp | wow, there is a lot of people on this channel |
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| 15:26.20 | scottyp | I imagine this is going to be pretty dead until the announcement |
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| 15:27.21 | dfighter | scottyp, it depends |
| 15:27.25 | dfighter | when there's something to discuss |
| 15:27.27 | dfighter | we discuss it |
| 15:27.30 | scottyp | ahh |
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| 15:27.33 | dfighter | when there isn't, it's dead |
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| 15:28.44 | scottyp | ok. I am just a straggler - not doing any type of proposals. I do help a project thought, so interested in seeing if the two candidates are selected |
| 15:29.57 | scottyp | seeing what type of activity went on here |
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| 15:30.27 | dfighter | nothing in here's going to affect those candidates tbh |
| 15:31.02 | dfighter | as nothing is actually decided here |
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| 15:31.19 | dfighter | Google and the orgs make the decisions, and communicate it privately at first |
| 15:31.39 | dfighter | and then when there's some announcement, people discuss it here |
| 15:31.48 | dfighter | or ask for help |
| 15:31.52 | scottyp | so this is just their communication platform? ahh. it is just a discussion channel |
| 15:32.06 | scottyp | nothing official actually goes on here |
| 15:32.38 | gevaerts | That's not entirely true |
| 15:32.52 | gevaerts | Things like the final deduplication meeting are in here |
| 15:33.58 | dfighter | ofc |
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| 15:35.45 | scottyp | what is the purpose of 'deduplication'. It seems like an ambiguous word |
| 15:36.00 | scottyp | *in a meeting context |
| 15:36.24 | dfighter | when a student is wanted by two or more orgs |
| 15:36.32 | dfighter | they need to decide who gets the student |
| 15:36.47 | scottyp | they meaning the student? |
| 15:36.57 | scottyp | the organization decides then |
| 15:37.00 | dfighter | yes |
| 15:37.05 | dfighter | the organizations |
| 15:37.37 | scottyp | I thought students create proposals to specific projects. I am guessing students propose many projects to different organizations. |
| 15:37.54 | dfighter | yep |
| 15:38.03 | dfighter | they can have 5 proposals |
| 15:38.11 | dfighter | possibly to 5 different orgs |
| 15:38.21 | scottyp | ahh. I can see how that could get troublesome |
| 15:38.28 | dfighter | if all 5 want the student they need to decide who gets him/her |
| 15:38.37 | scottyp | do they play rock paper scissors? |
| 15:39.10 | dfighter | no idea |
| 15:39.10 | scottyp | if they are a good candidate, I am sure they will all want them |
| 15:39.17 | dfighter | never paid attention to those meetings |
| 15:40.07 | scottyp | too bad students can't add a priority number for what they are most interested in |
| 15:40.14 | scottyp | ...or maybe they do |
| 15:40.19 | dfighter | they can... |
| 15:40.40 | dfighter | you can order proposals by priority this year |
| 15:40.53 | dfighter | well, not anymore I guess |
| 15:40.55 | scottyp | I don't see why an organization would decide. That decision seems better left to the student. |
| 15:41.00 | dfighter | but up until the deadline you surely could |
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| 15:41.17 | scottyp | the student is the one that will have the passion to do the most work |
| 15:41.46 | dfighter | the orgs put in the resources to mentor that student |
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| 15:42.02 | dfighter | also by submitting a proposal it's assumed you'd gladly work on that project |
| 15:42.09 | dfighter | why would you put in a proposal otherwise? |
| 15:42.15 | scottyp | ahh. so the priority thing doesn't really matter then |
| 15:42.26 | dfighter | it should matter, that's why it was added |
| 15:42.38 | dfighter | you just asked why the orgs would decide |
| 15:42.39 | scottyp | they just want to do something...because they don't have an internship. :) |
| 15:42.43 | teepee | I don't see how that can matter... orgs see only their own proposal |
| 15:43.08 | dfighter | teepee, carols can probably see and mediate |
| 15:43.12 | dfighter | but I am just guessing |
| 15:43.15 | scottyp | ahh. so organizations don't talk with each other |
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| 15:43.40 | teepee | true, but I'm sure she'd like to only solve the cases that remain unsolved otherwise |
| 15:43.46 | dfighter | scottyp, just to do something is a very very very bad reason for doing GSOC |
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| 15:44.03 | teepee | I'm pretty sure the expectation is that orgs discuss and decide |
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| 15:44.18 | scottyp | dfighter: I agree it is a bad reason. But sometimes people don't have good reasons to do something |
| 15:44.24 | MatthewWilkes | Duplicates can happen during the meeting, in general orgs won't have time to work it out out of band. A student can express a preference for an org but it's only relevant if everything else is equal |
| 15:44.54 | MatthewWilkes | If one org is a lot bigger than the other, or has more students they wanted to accept but can't, or it's a particularly difficult proposal, etc |
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| 15:45.05 | MatthewWilkes | It's quite common for one org to give up the student without much fuss |
| 15:45.43 | scottyp | MatthewWilkes: I am sure many factors play into how easily they 'give up' a student. If a student has been involved with a project prior, I imagine there would be more resistance |
| 15:46.20 | scottyp | ...maybe not though. I am not an organizer |
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| 15:47.24 | MatthewWilkes | scottyp: Sure, the point is that it's unusual for the student's preferences to be as important as the operational concerns of the programme. That's why it's for the orgs to decide |
| 15:48.12 | scottyp | MatthewWilkes: true. The organization has to live with their code after gsoc is done. A student is often times involved only for the gsoc period |
| 15:48.48 | MatthewWilkes | scottyp: That's more of an accept-or-not decision |
| 15:48.51 | MatthewWilkes | not reduplication |
| 15:50.04 | scottyp | ahh. ok. so that is a different part of the process |
| 15:50.42 | scottyp | sorry for my ignorance of the process |
| 15:51.07 | scottyp | it seems like it has the potential to get complex |
| 15:52.06 | MatthewWilkes | scottyp: The orgs decide who they want to accept which is usually more than the number they're allowed to accept. They mark the ones they're going to spend their 'slots' on as accepted. Then we iterate over checking if students have at most 1 offer. If they have more than 1 they're 'deduplicated' in that meeting. When an org unassigns a proposal from a slot they can either assign a new student to that slot or give the slot back to be assigned to |
| 15:52.07 | MatthewWilkes | another org. |
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| 15:52.47 | MatthewWilkes | scottyp: It's even possible to have to deduplicate the same student more than once. |
| 15:53.10 | dfighter | MatthewWilkes, that's why I said if 2 or more |
| 15:53.14 | dfighter | so I guess he realized that :) |
| 15:53.17 | dfighter | or she |
| 15:53.29 | scottyp | I am a he :) |
| 15:54.36 | scottyp | I always love learning about these type of processes in case I would need to borrow ideas |
| 15:54.42 | MatthewWilkes | dfighter: Org 1 and org 2 want student A. They deduplicate, org 1 takes A - org 2 takes Z. Org 2 and Org 3 want student B, they deduplicate, Org 2 takes B, Org 3 takes A. Then Org 1 and Org 3 need to de-dupe A despite Org 1 and Org 2 already having done so. |
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| 15:55.22 | MatthewWilkes | That's different to Org 1, Org 2 and Org 3 all want A and them de-duping together |
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| 16:01.04 | scottyp | thanks for your help guys. much appreciated |
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| 16:07.25 | m2n | Is it possible that finally A end up getting rejection by all ? :? |
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| 16:12.33 | |Kev| | m2n: Conceivably. Not terribly likely, but conceivably. Until Google announces students, nothing is final. |
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| 16:17.34 | MatthewWilkes | m2n: I don't believe so. It might be, but I think if two orgs or more said they both wanted a student, went into dedupe then none of them took the student there'd be some harsh words said about wasting time. |
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| 16:38.36 | garvitdelhi | !slots |
| 16:38.36 | gsocbot | garvitdelhi: "slots" is Slot allocation is done manually by OSPO, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask for. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2. https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentallocations |
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| 17:39.43 | gsoc689 | any org admins here? |
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| 17:43.07 | Niharika | gsoc689: Just ask. |
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| 17:43.50 | gsoc689 | are you satisfied with the number of slots you have been allocated? |
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| 17:53.28 | |Kev| | The orgs are getting slots from Google to bring in new blood, completely for free. Why would they not be satisfied? |
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| 17:58.41 | heller | Right. There is absolutely nothing to complain about |
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| 18:05.08 | up | Hi guys |
| 18:05.28 | up | Is there any way in which we can know the slots allocated to individual orgs |
| 18:05.37 | |Kev| | Only if they're willing to tell you. |
| 18:05.51 | |Kev| | But I wouldn't suggest asking, as it's potentially going to irritate them :) |
| 18:06.20 | up | ok |
| 18:06.41 | |Kev| | The knowledge will do you no good, and you'll know anyway in a couple of weeks :) |
| 18:06.57 | up | In a week |
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| 18:12.41 | abhitochill | hnm |
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| 18:23.23 | vin-ivar | the rolling stones summarise GSoC pretty well |
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| 18:23.54 | vin-ivar | orgs get fewer slots than they wanted => (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction |
| 18:24.07 | vin-ivar | Google response => You Can't Always Get What You Want |
| 18:24.23 | |Kev| | up: A week and a half. It wasn't so far off it needed correcting :) |
| 18:24.26 | vin-ivar | students' response => Mixed Emotions |
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| 18:30.48 | wwwBUKOLAYcom | help me pls |
| 18:31.07 | Niharika | ... |
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| 18:39.19 | gpt | Hello has slots been allocated to orgs, if yes can anyone tell how many student will google select this year? |
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| 18:45.15 | heller | gpt: the slots have been announced and the total number will be a lot. Yet the final number will only be known after April 27th |
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| 19:09.45 | Andre_H | how to find out which orgs would like more slots? |
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| 19:16.59 | Plast | as a student is there any way I can know how many slots a certain organization has? |
| 19:17.11 | Plast | before the 27th announcement of the accepted proposals |
| 19:17.20 | meflin | you can ask but we do not have to answer |
| 19:17.34 | meflin | your probably just annoy |
| 19:17.42 | |Kev| | And I'd recommend against it, because you may well irritate the org. |
| 19:17.58 | |Kev| | What meflin said :) |
| 19:18.04 | Plast | ah ok just wondering |
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| 19:19.38 | gevaerts | Your best bet is to be around when someone else asks :) |
| 19:19.55 | |Kev| | Heh, sneaky. |
| 19:20.33 | Niharika | Or...change your nick, put on a proxy and ask. :P |
| 19:20.38 | downey | Plast: Any particular reason to ask? |
| 19:20.56 | Plast | I'm curious thats all |
| 19:21.16 | meflin | ask after the 27th for that |
| 19:21.27 | |Kev| | I'll give you a clue, if you want. It's a natural number, in our case. |
| 19:21.59 | Niharika | Prime in my case. |
| 19:22.26 | |Kev| | That's already giving away more information than I want to :) |
| 19:22.29 | gevaerts | Is it part of more than one sequence on oeis.org? |
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| 19:24.21 | Niharika | What's a possible reason behind keeping these numbers secretive? |
| 19:24.49 | meflin | they are not final and students thing more slots == more chance and it doesn't |
| 19:25.09 | gevaerts | The numbers still change, and you might not want to tell people you gave back a slot rather than accept them' |
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| 19:25.28 | |Kev| | Niharika: Partly that I just don't want to answer questions from students about this stuff, partly because the information can't help the students anyway so I don't want them jumping to any conclusions, partly because I'm paranoid about somehow giving the impression someone will be accepted/not and incurring the wrath of carols. |
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| 19:25.51 | Niharika | Ah, okay. Makes sense. |
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| 22:31.18 | tnkhanh | hi has the students already been chosen? |
| 22:31.34 | tnkhanh | can I try to improve my proposal? |
| 22:32.10 | olly | orgs will have at least made some sort of short list at this point |
| 22:35.42 | valorie | tnkhanh: you should be in contact with your probable mentor(s) |
| 22:35.58 | valorie | you can't do anything but add comments on melange at this point |
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