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| 14:56.14 | jijumahan | hello I want to know when org will select students? |
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| 14:58.14 | jijumahan | is it after 18 hours? |
| 14:58.23 | gevaerts | jijumahan: they're busy selecting now. The selections will be announced by google on the 27th, as on the timeline |
| 14:58.59 | jijumahan | before deduplication period they would be ready with selected students? |
| 14:59.10 | jijumahan | gevaerts: |
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| 15:03.15 | gevaerts | jijumahan: I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 15:03.18 | jijumahan | gevaerts: ? |
| 15:03.43 | downey | !next | jijumahan |
| 15:03.44 | gsocbot | jijumahan: "next" is GSoC 2015 students will be announced on 27 April at 19:00 UTC |
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| 15:05.05 | AbhToChill | jijumahan they have already selected their students.. but now dupes are being sorted.. 18 hours one is that dupe correction deadline.. once that is sorted result will be announced on 27th |
| 15:05.52 | jijumahan | AbhToChill: already selected? |
| 15:06.08 | AbhToChill | well most probably mentors and orgs have already selected their students |
| 15:06.23 | AbhToChill | although there still can be some changes |
| 15:06.31 | jijumahan | AbhToChill: but they have choices to change |
| 15:06.32 | jijumahan | ok |
| 15:06.33 | AbhToChill | nothing is final written on stone till 27th |
| 15:06.43 | jijumahan | AbhToChill: ok thanks |
| 15:06.49 | jijumahan | :) |
| 15:06.50 | AbhToChill | no prob jijumahan |
| 15:06.52 | AbhToChill | :) |
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| 15:52.53 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 15:53.07 | AbhToChill | carols |
| 15:53.13 | carols | yes? |
| 15:53.25 | AbhToChill | yesterday you said that it was org's choice to |
| 15:53.34 | AbhToChill | ask students in |
| 15:53.39 | AbhToChill | incident of dups |
| 15:53.42 | AbhToChill | am i right? |
| 15:53.46 | carols | yes |
| 15:53.51 | carols | they donât have to |
| 15:53.53 | carols | but they may |
| 15:54.04 | AbhToChill | but if that happens? wont it voilate the term of not disclosing selection |
| 15:54.30 | AbhToChill | because student being told in dupe is obviously selected by two orgs so is in dups? |
| 15:54.36 | carols | AbhToChill: itâs an exception iâm willing to make. |
| 15:54.41 | carols | iâd really prefer the orgs didnât ask at all. |
| 15:54.45 | carols | but theyâre allowed to. |
| 15:54.53 | AbhToChill | ohk cool... i was just wondering :) |
| 15:55.08 | AbhToChill | takes a cup of tea and relaxes |
| 15:56.35 | downey | carols: is it true that students can express some preference in proposals in melange by ordering them? not a student so I'm unclear |
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| 15:56.57 | carols | downey: no idea, thatâs a good question for the melange team |
| 15:56.58 | AbhToChill | is there anything like that?:O |
| 15:57.21 | downey | AbhToChill: I don't know for sure, I heard some people talking about it but don't know the details |
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| 15:57.46 | AbhToChill | well i am a student... i am pretty sure there isnt anything like that being told.. or stated anywhere |
| 15:57.57 | decltypeme | yes, we can drag proposals to "order" them, but do not know how is that significant |
| 15:58.03 | AbhToChill | it just sorts in order of being filled |
| 15:58.24 | downey | decltypeme: ahh, hmm. thanks :) |
| 15:58.30 | AbhToChill | oh wow i never noticed it .. just did mine:P |
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| 15:58.41 | AbhToChill | but downey.. as org admin |
| 15:58.43 | AbhToChill | are u able to see |
| 15:58.48 | AbhToChill | the order of ur students proposal? |
| 15:59.04 | AbhToChill | because if u guys arnt able to see.. that it dosnt make any value anyway |
| 15:59.42 | downey | AbhToChill: sadly no ... a few years ago at mentor summit, the org admins asked to see a list of all proposals a student created for all orgs. unfortunately the request was not accepted :) |
| 16:00.05 | AbhToChill | well it can just show the proposal position in order list(a number) |
| 16:00.18 | downey | the overall limit on total number of applications seems to have helped reduce the problems/duplications though |
| 16:00.39 | AbhToChill | because it dosnt have any significance if the deciding party(org admin/mentor) cant see or know order |
| 16:00.41 | raincrash | AbhToChill is correct, I am a student too. and I am pretty sure there's no way to order proposals by students. They get chronologically stacked up. And there's no relation with that order and preference afaik. |
| 16:02.03 | AbhToChill | so that concludes that it dosnt have any deciding factor or preference order as its not been visible to deciding party :) |
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| 16:02.57 | downey | AbhToChill: I just had a crazy idea that it could be possible for a student to express their preference in advance, without having to be asked by orgs :-) |
| 16:03.49 | AbhToChill | yeah its a nice thought...instead of telling the org the proposals by student.. it can just tell the position of the proposal in order? |
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| 16:04.47 | AbhToChill | that way.. while org discussion still stays major... students preference gets in consideration too even a bit but it does.. and somehow in that case.. student wont be disappointed as he would never know he was in duplication and yet give his preference |
| 16:05.13 | AbhToChill | even if decision is against his preference .. student wont know.. |
| 16:05.18 | AbhToChill | so that solves that issue |
| 16:05.29 | downey | AbhToChill: I'm sure someone would appreciate your ideas at https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
| 16:05.50 | AbhToChill | :) will type it out tonight |
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| 16:06.18 | gevaerts | Maybe search first. I'm sure this has been discussed before, so there may well be an issue for this already |
| 16:06.27 | AbhToChill | good point |
| 16:06.37 | raincrash | What if students might even submit more proposals just in case. Every student might submit 4-5 proposals expecting some org might accept. |
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| 16:07.33 | gevaerts | raincrash: you mean what if neither of the duplicate orgs is number 1 and therefore it's not immediately obvious? |
| 16:07.59 | raincrash | gevaerts, Exactly. |
| 16:08.08 | gevaerts | Org admins can still exchange the numbers then I guess |
| 16:08.09 | meflin | rare corner cases anyway |
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| 16:08.29 | gevaerts | Or melange could just tell org admins the ranking of all involved organisations |
| 16:08.54 | gevaerts | But yes, I expect duplicates involving students with more than two applications to be rare |
| 16:09.07 | AbhToChill | well in anycase.. if that is to be considered to be preference order.. it would still need to be mentioned to students in our dashboard most probably |
| 16:09.24 | gevaerts | '/me nods |
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| 16:11.00 | downey | gevaerts: i've had a few 3-way-ties over the years |
| 16:12.18 | gevaerts | downey: I can't say I'd have expected that |
| 16:12.26 | gevaerts | Time to readjust my preconceptions :) |
| 16:12.35 | downey | s/few/two/ |
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| 16:12.53 | downey | when a student is good, they tend to submit good applications to all orgs |
| 16:13.31 | gevaerts | Yes, but there's the work involved in a good proposal |
| 16:14.48 | gsoc446 | hello i have applied to two orgs but havent got any kind 'hint' from either of them. i am worried |
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| 16:15.14 | meflin | no need to worry results be emailed to all applicants tommorow |
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| 16:15.24 | gevaerts | meflin: not tomorrow :) |
| 16:15.31 | sambuddhabasu1 | meflin: its on 27th |
| 16:15.33 | raincrash | 27th |
| 16:15.34 | AbhToChill | gsoc446 you will better discussing with org's themselves :) |
| 16:15.36 | gevaerts | gsoc446: no need to panic. Many organisations don't talk much during the selection process |
| 16:15.36 | gsoc446 | is it usual for orgs to not have any communication with students during this time |
| 16:15.37 | meflin | oh monday sorry |
| 16:15.40 | AbhToChill | try talking to them on irc |
| 16:15.42 | downey | meflin: no |
| 16:15.45 | AbhToChill | but as other said |
| 16:15.49 | downey | (sorry, couldn't help it) |
| 16:15.49 | AbhToChill | many dont talk |
| 16:15.52 | gevaerts | Poor meflin :) |
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| 16:16.17 | AbhToChill | i do wonder what is between 24th and 27th? |
| 16:16.28 | meflin | a long nap |
| 16:16.30 | AbhToChill | deadline is 24th for proposal matching.. |
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| 16:16.51 | gevaerts | AbhToChill: I've always assumed it's a buffer to deal with unexpected issues |
| 16:17.00 | gevaerts | And to double-check everything |
| 16:17.26 | AbhToChill | thought so same |
| 16:18.33 | decltypeme | meflin: is tomorrow here literal or metaphor? |
| 16:18.55 | meflin | time is just a concept :) |
| 16:18.57 | gevaerts | decltypeme: organisations have to finalise their selections by tomorrow |
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| 16:19.14 | meflin | !timeline |
| 16:19.14 | gsocbot | meflin: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2015 |
| 16:19.22 | gevaerts | And meflin usually sits on the org admin side, so he may have had that deadline in mind |
| 16:19.41 | decltypeme | so no student emails "tomorrow" by its literal meaning? :D |
| 16:19.53 | gevaerts | No |
| 16:20.00 | meflin | correct the email time is on the timeline |
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| 16:20.10 | decltypeme | take care , that was a negated question :D |
| 16:20.29 | gevaerts | All emails are expected on Monday, around 19:00 UTC (they have been known to go out a few minutes before the stated time) |
| 16:20.44 | decltypeme | (Y) thanks |
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| 16:28.30 | gsoc446 | !history |
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| 16:37.00 | carols | gsoc446: youâre probably looking for !logs ? |
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| 16:39.24 | raincrash | I was wondering if the given edit permissions are locked tomorrow or anytime soon. Will one be able to make changes to the implementation details during the coding period (If one gets selected). |
| 16:40.14 | carols | raincrash: if you get accepted, any modifications to the project plan should really be done directly with the org, not via melange |
| 16:40.29 | carols | thatâs not really what melange is intended for |
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| 16:42.42 | raincrash | Okay. Got it. Thanks :) |
| 16:43.03 | gsoc446 | carols logs get updated once a day is there a way to see recent chat history? |
| 16:43.19 | carols | gsoc446: nope, youâll just have to wait |
| 16:43.28 | carols | or if you have a question you could just ask it |
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| 16:48.30 | quaid | I've got a quick question about conflict resolution process |
| 16:48.40 | carols | quaid: sure |
| 16:48.43 | carols | go for it |
| 16:49.00 | quaid | carols: I think we've got all resolved, I just don't know what to do with the answers :) |
| 16:49.14 | carols | quaid: um? |
| 16:49.20 | carols | i donât think i understand your question :-) |
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| 16:49.23 | quaid | carols: does each org accept/reject to resolve the conflict, or do we email you all with the answers? |
| 16:49.49 | carols | quaid: are you talking about right now if youâre in a duplicate situation? |
| 16:49.54 | carols | or tomorrow during the meeting? |
| 16:50.06 | quaid | carols: yes, right now we have duplicates and have generally resolved with everyone who gets which student |
| 16:50.25 | carols | quaid: then i donât want to know, and i donât care :-) just have the org that doesn |
| 16:50.33 | carols | doesnât get the student unaccept the student |
| 16:50.34 | quaid | carols: do we wait for the meeting or can we close today? (so slots can go back to the pool earliest, for example) |
| 16:50.41 | quaid | perfect, makes sense |
| 16:50.45 | carols | quaid: please donât wait for the meeting! |
| 16:50.49 | quaid | +1 |
| 16:50.50 | meflin | sooner is better |
| 16:50.52 | carols | i would love it if i could cancel the meeting entirely |
| 16:51.06 | carols | i would love to say âno duplicates! everyone can go on with their life!" |
| 16:51.11 | carols | but that never happens :-( |
| 16:51.14 | quaid | that's what I figured, just wasn't sure if 'unaccept the student' was the right process. |
| 16:51.27 | carols | unaccept the student is all you need to do if you donât get the student. |
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| 16:53.15 | exploreshaifali | carols, so whenever multiple applications of a student gets accepted by multiple orgs, it is been asked to students which project they want to work on? |
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| 16:53.52 | meflin | only if the orgs choose to |
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| 16:54.39 | exploreshaifali | meflin, you mean only if org want to ask that to student? |
| 16:54.47 | meflin | yes |
| 16:55.02 | meflin | students by putting in an application agreed to do that work |
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| 16:56.52 | exploreshaifali | okay, so that mean in tomorrow's meeting orgs will discuss to accept those students that they deadly want to work for thier org? |
| 16:57.20 | meflin | yes ... hopefully the orgs are already talking |
| 16:58.00 | exploreshaifali | okay! Thanks meflin :) |
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| 17:00.15 | sils | carols, Hi, I'm from GNOME. We were now able to resolve all duplicates and have another slot to give back. Could you approve your existing slot transfer request when you get the chance so we can put this one in the queue soon? |
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| 17:07.31 | carols | sils: sure |
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| 19:47.36 | c3lol | quick question about the 27th |
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| 19:48.09 | kblin | yup |
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