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11:33.55aliaIs org allowed to change their choices?
11:34.20aliaas a student asking
11:34.32NiharikaNow? Nope.
11:34.45aliaya now
11:34.50aliaok not
11:35.43aliaNiharika: wat was d last date of locking choices ?
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11:36.20Niharikaalia: I don't know what date you are talking of.
11:36.33NiharikaOh, locking student choices?
11:36.41NiharikaI think 24th.
11:36.42aliayep
11:36.58aliaok that meeting day of duduplication
11:37.04aliaright Niharika
11:37.05NiharikaYes.
11:37.07aliaok
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11:37.17aliathanks Niharika
11:37.24NiharikaYou're welcome.
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12:21.06IAMVIRGINhey gerrard?
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12:52.04esornep!next
12:52.05gsocbotesornep: "next" is GSoC 2015 students will be announced on 27 April at 19:00 UTC
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13:25.31AbhiToChillhmm
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13:27.22tonghuix!help
13:27.22gsocbottonghuix: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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13:27.53tonghuix!command
13:28.00AbhiToChilli cant recall what command it is for all commands
13:28.05AbhiToChillit was somthing help ______
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13:28.15gsocbotAbhiToChill: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/
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13:28.24gsocbottonghuix: "time" is http://xkcd.com/now
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13:28.39raincrashhelp list i guess.
13:28.54AbhiToChill!help list
13:28.55gsocbotAbhiToChill: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
13:29.47tonghuix!date
13:29.58gevaerts!botabuse
13:29.58gsocbotgevaerts: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid>
13:30.06tonghuix!date
13:30.09AbhiToChillnevermind i guess its better to do in private tong
13:30.23raincrashtonghuix, ^
13:30.24AbhiToChilljust as gevaerts said
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13:31.17gevaertsAlso, just for the record (and maybe for easier searching) technically you're not looking for a list of commands
13:31.27gevaertsWhat you want is factoids
13:31.55gevaertsCommands are the things that give you error messages, factoids are the things that give you information :)
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13:33.32AbhiToChilleven gsoc bot is very intolerant :P
13:33.34AbhiToChill<gsocbot> You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
13:33.42AbhiToChilli was doing in private to it lol
13:34.34gevaertsYes :)
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13:51.29errr_is the melange website down?
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13:52.39gevaertsSeems to wotk for me
13:53.19raincrasherrr_, Works for me (student portal).
13:54.00errr_giving me this error(DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN)
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13:58.34raincrashThat seems to be chrome's error, here's how you resolve it: http://www.fixerrs.com/2015/01/Dns-Probe-Finished-NxDomain.html
13:58.46raincrashaaand he's gone.
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15:21.50AbhiToChilleee this wait is harddd
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15:23.28raincrashTrue man. It's harder than I thought.
15:23.35AbhiToChillright
15:24.43gsoc450if you did something productive instead, then it wouldnt be
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15:24.57AbhiToChillothers did too you know?
15:25.12AbhiToChillwhat about the fact that for one project only one student will be selected
15:25.41gsoc450thats not true
15:26.29gsoc450https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#11._What_happens_if_two_students_are
15:26.44AbhiToChillthat is only applicable on rare case
15:26.59AbhiToChillmostly it is set .. one student per project
15:27.27gevaertsWhat does "project" actually mean in the first place?
15:27.39gsoc450if the student is deserving then it is the 'rare case'
15:27.49AbhiToChillone idea*
15:27.51AbhiToChillper idea*
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15:27.54AbhiToChillone u apply for
15:28.22gevaertsI'd say that two proposals based on the same idea aren't necessarily the same project. You're expected to provide your own input, and that can make the proposals diverge quite a lot
15:28.32gevaertsAnd no, you don't apply for an idea :)
15:28.55gsoc450very true
15:28.59raincrashTwo students can work on the same idea on different pieces of code.
15:29.06AbhiToChilli mean like my proposal was for "social media analytics"
15:29.25raincrash*?
15:29.25AbhiToChillam pretty sure selecting 2 students for that same thing.. wud be bit unneccesary
15:29.36gevaertsIt's going to be rare, yes
15:30.04gevaertsBut you could have interpreted that idea in a way that's complementary to someone else's interpretation
15:30.20AbhiToChillin a lot cases that wont be case
15:30.33AbhiToChillwell in any case
15:30.56AbhiToChillover-confidence is way to unhealthy
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15:31.04gevaertsTrue, but I'm pedantic and therefore such practical concerns won't stop me arguing :)
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15:31.20AbhiToChilland when there is no over-confidence...you must feel nervous
15:31.40neverpanicGSoC isn't all about the ideas – I'd pick two students for the same idea (or pitch a different idea to one of them) if I really wanted the student
15:32.02AbhiToChillneverpanic.. two students making exact same thing?
15:32.32neverpanicyes, if I want to keep the student and there's a good chance he/she'll keep working on the project after the summer
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15:32.50AbhiToChillthan just keep that one? why the other one?
15:32.59AbhiToChillor just give other one a different project maybe?
15:33.11gevaertsIdeally you'd try to adjust both projects to overlap as little as possible
15:33.29AbhiToChillbut to do that.. i guess student will be needed to inform earlier?
15:33.45neverpanicAbhiToChill: I'm talking about the case where I want both students.
15:34.20AbhiToChillneverpanic wont better solution will be as u said.. pitch different idea to one of them
15:34.21gevaertsInformed that you'd like to see a change, yes. Informed about getting accepted, no. The latter would probably not be decided at that point anyway
15:34.27neverpanicand no, you don't have to tell a student you're planning to accept him. You could just tell him "there's already lots of people proposing something similar, but we're looking for somebody to do X, would you be interested?"
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15:34.46AbhiToChillexactly that would be better option
15:35.07|Kev|More than 'don't have to tell', 'exactly must not tell'.
15:35.43AbhiToChillgeez :p is student geting bit nervous over tommorows results that unacceptable to u guys?:P
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15:36.14gevaertsAbhiToChill: yes, because the channel has an official 100% effective remedy: drink tea :)
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15:36.37AbhiToChilldrank one an hour back
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15:36.43AbhiToChilltoo much tea wont really be a good choice?
15:36.53gevaertsAnd if you obsess about tea as much as some people here do, you don't have time to be nervous!
15:37.45PulkoMandynot being selected is not the end of your life
15:37.50PulkoMandyit happened to me and I'm still here
15:37.52AbhiToChillright
15:38.04AbhiToChillbut dosnt mean i wont be sad?
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15:38.20DaSpiritI will be sad :(
15:38.44AbhiToChillPulkoMandy you a student or a mentor or a org admin?
15:38.48DaSpiritGoogle Summer of Code is better than looking for a real job in ways, because you have more control over what you want to do.
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15:39.07PulkoMandynothing this year, I was a student in 2009, and a mentor in 2010,11,12,14
15:39.39AbhiToChillmentoring dosnt have any age limitations or somthing like students does
15:39.40AbhiToChillright?
15:39.44PulkoMandy(and a failed application as a student in 2008 - but that didn't stop me)
15:39.45john_ramboDaSpirit:  what happened?
15:39.59gevaertsAbhiToChill: it has exactly the same age limitations
15:40.07raincrashPulkoMandy, That's awesome! I want to be a mentor too. Despite my selection/rejection this year (I am a first timer).
15:40.19gevaertsIn the old days there were no age limitations for mentors, but I guess lawyers got involved
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15:40.54PulkoMandyraincrash: well, just continue contributing to the project, and see what happens
15:41.10raincrashyep.
15:41.35AbhiToChill!tea
15:41.35gsocbotAbhiToChill: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax!
15:41.45AbhiToChilloffers his cup to anyone who likes
15:42.36AbhiToChillam gonna get myself a cup of real tea
15:42.37AbhiToChillbrb
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15:57.05gsocbotwhiteSkull: "next" is GSoC 2015 students will be announced on 27 April at 19:00 UTC
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16:32.39Niharikagevaerts: Could you elaborate upon the age limitations you mentioned about mentoring? Any relevant link? I've never heard of it strangely.
16:33.29gevaertsNiharika: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page#6._What_are_the_eligibility_requirements
16:33.47gevaerts"Representatives and mentors for the organizations must be at least 18 years old"
16:34.15NiharikaAh. Thanks. I got confused thinking there's a max age limit.
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16:34.34gevaertsThere isn't, but there isn't one for students either
16:34.49AbhiToChillbut students have to be students
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16:35.07gevaertsYes, but that's not related to age
16:35.13AbhiToChillright
16:35.31AbhiToChillin a way though.. but yeah
16:35.43AbhiToChilland am not gonna argue on this with u
16:35.47gevaertsIn a way? I know people in their sixties who are eligible for gsoc...
16:36.19AbhiToChillas i said.. am not going to argue
16:36.32Niharikagevaerts: That's very unusual in some countries, like India. :)
16:37.01gevaertsIt *is* unusual, yes
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16:37.21meflinI've had a student in there 50 apply
16:37.42gevaertsBut don't forget PhD students are eligible, and getting a PhD later on isn't unheard of at all
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16:39.38whiteSkull!next
16:39.39gsocbotwhiteSkull: "next" is GSoC 2015 students will be announced on 27 April at 19:00 UTC
16:40.07|Kev|gevaerts: Although once they're a bit older, people are usually smart enough not to get a PhD :D
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16:40.32gevaerts|Kev|: I had a great uncle who got his PhD around his 80th birthday :)
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16:40.40|Kev|'usually' :)
16:40.58|Kev|Although, yes, doing one after retirement seems sensible enough.
16:41.15gevaertsAnd my former boss is trying to get his PhD done before he reaches his retirement age :)
16:42.21gevaertsHe's *much* too busy for gsoc though
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16:46.45gevaertsAh, http://google-opensource.blogspot.be/2014/06/google-summer-of-code-2014-by-numbers.html is useful
16:47.12gevaertsThe oldest student last year was 57, apparently
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17:02.06utpalanyone nervous ?
17:02.22Valodimnah it's chill
17:02.59utpalEither you must be sure you are in or not that's why it might be
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17:16.30AbhiToChillhe is org admin
17:16.32AbhiToChillthats why it is lol
17:16.41Valodim8)
17:17.05AbhiToChilloh he has left already
17:17.05AbhiToChilllol
17:17.20AbhiToChillif it makes any difference.. i am nervous :P
17:17.21AbhiToChilllol
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17:18.47teepeeconfirms a pretty relaxing day for mentors :)
17:18.49esornepany live timer running ?
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17:19.13icodemachinethere is a day left right?
17:19.25raincrashI have one set
17:19.25raincrashhttp://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=GSoC%20Announcement&p0=1440&swk=1&year=2015&month=4&day=27&hour=19&min=0&sec=0
17:19.38esornepthanks :)
17:19.41teepeethere's one on the gsoc homepage
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17:20.22AbhiToChill!countdown | esornep
17:20.23gsocbotesornep: "countdown" is Don't start countdown. You will be kicked.
17:21.06raincrashAbhiToChill, How to identify with gsocbot?
17:21.08esornepi didnt ask for a countdown ... so asked it as timer :P
17:21.29AbhiToChillraincrash am not sure i understood ur question
17:21.38raincrash!countdown
17:21.39gsocbotraincrash: "countdown" is Don't start countdown. You will be kicked.
17:22.01raincrashnevermind
17:22.14AbhiToChillteepee but its not really that relaxing day for students :P
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18:00.02rikvikHi Everybody!!
18:00.23AbhiToChillhi
18:00.58rikvik@AbhiToChill did you applied for it this year>
18:01.00rikvik?
18:01.07AbhiToChillyup
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18:02.17rikvikDoes anyone know an approximate selections this year (on 27)?
18:02.28AbhiToChillnope
18:02.35rikvikOh
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18:11.47iCHAIThello everyone
18:12.03AbhiToChillhi
18:12.09iCHAITActually I was a bit paranoid about the GSOC results
18:12.17iCHAITSo ended up making this
18:12.18meflinhave a tea and relax
18:12.19AbhiToChillall students are
18:12.25AbhiToChill!tea | iCHAIT
18:12.25gsocbotiCHAIT: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax!
18:12.39iCHAIThttps://gsoc-timer.herokuapp.com
18:12.53AbhiToChill!countdown | iCHAIT
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18:13.12AbhiToChilljust dont start it here on this channel :)
18:14.21dufferzafariCHAIT: Looks good :)
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18:14.31AbhiToChillyeah looks good though
18:14.52dufferzafarsets this as homepage
18:15.03iCHAIT:)
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18:16.08gautam__OldMonk: welcome, been a while since I have seen oldmonk :)
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18:17.13OldMonkhopefully you'll have some tomorrow after you've got selected ;) (assuming you are a student)
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18:20.39gautam__GSOC is always a big deal for students, How much of a big deal it's for mentors?
18:21.24gautam__any mentors here ?
18:21.33AbhiToChillmentors are in resting mode
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18:49.14masterminkawkward silence :P
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18:50.57mndar1just another 24 hours
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19:09.50|Kev|gautam__: It's different for mentors, but still a 'big deal'. These are projects people really care about, and communities they care about bringing new blood into.
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19:24.47swookI think we as students care more about results because there's a lot of interaction during the application process, pre and post.
19:24.55swookI haven't seen anything like GSoC elsewhere
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19:25.33|Kev|Well, plus the mentors know who's getting accepted at this point.
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19:26.13swookWhat I meant to say is that it's a very different experience to apply for GSoC
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19:26.27|Kev|It is.
19:26.28swookwhich is good and bad, good in that you feel like you've earned it if you get in
19:26.41swookand bad because most of my classmates are too busy to apply...
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19:28.01|Kev|Why is that a bad thing?
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19:38.35Valodimif they're too busy to apply, they would probably be too busy to participate
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19:41.59swookValodim: not necessarily... GSoC coincides with holiday periods mostly
19:42.08swookbut in this case you might be right, since our exams occur post-holidays
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19:43.53|Kev|I think very few University programmes don't give you enough free time to apply for GSoC.
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19:44.56PulkoMandysome orgs are flexible with that
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19:45.02swook|Kev|: I really had to compromise on some coursework to apply this time. Not complaining about it, just saying it's a barrier to entry
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19:45.31PulkoMandyif you warn them that you'll have exams during the coding period, and you show that you can plan your time well enough to have a good application while still having courses, things are all fine
19:45.35swookPulkoMandy: true, I did resolve PRs and submit samples post application deadline
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19:46.12PulkoMandyif you can't organize yourself and can't find time to prepare your application, you will probably have similar problems during all the summer
19:46.24PulkoMandyso, better learn how to organize yourself first :)
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19:50.02swookPulkoMandy: I'm just saying that some people are legitimately busy during the application window
19:50.07swookNothing more
19:50.27swookOf course, one can infer many things from how a student deals with their application in terms of organisation and communication
19:50.48meflinnon-studends are even more bussy
19:50.58PulkoMandysome students (most of the south hemisphere) are busy for the whole "summer"
19:51.05swookI appreciate that
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19:51.30PulkoMandyand in several countries the GSoC timeline doesn't exactly match the summer vacations
19:51.48PulkoMandyorgs are used to dealing with that, some students can handle it, some can't
19:51.49swookI believe they've tried to shift it around to see if it improves participation
19:51.57swookIn the end a correlation couldn't be found easily...
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19:52.21meflinone of my best students was from south america   .
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19:52.43meflinlots of time issues final degree exams ect
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19:54.33coder11Can an organisation select another student if they by mistake selected a wrong student instead of a right one ?
19:54.45meflinnot after acceptance no
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19:55.15swookcoder11: how can this mistake occur?
19:55.20swookoh
19:55.31swooknevermind
19:55.58coder11I am just asking if a mentor can select another student right now?
19:56.03coder11Or is everything locked?
19:56.04|Kev|They cannot.
19:56.19|Kev|Everything was settled in the dedupe meeting on Friday.
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19:56.36meflinthere is still time to drop a student ... but not replace
19:56.41|Kev|Well. They can still choose to not take a student, but not pick a new one.
19:56.42|Kev|Right :)
19:56.48coder11Ohk
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19:57.38meflinthat is a corner case that is so rare it should not be considered
20:04.27bond007Is it polite to ask mentors if he is selected * just wondering * ?
20:04.37|Kev|Very much not.
20:04.47Rish:P
20:05.10AbhiToChilllol
20:05.31gabox8888is there a limit to how many people are accepted to gsoc in total? Like does google put a limit on how may students they can take on that will be split among the organizations?
20:05.47PulkoMandyyes
20:05.51|Kev|How that works is known only to Google.
20:06.05AbhiToChillgoogle works in mysterious ways
20:06.18PulkoMandythe way they chose the limit is known only to Google, but there is a limit
20:06.24|Kev|They allocate a limited number of slots to orgs. How they choose how many slots to allocate isn't known.
20:07.09Rishhow to know how many slots they have given to a particular org
20:07.19|Kev|Wait until Monday and then look at how many students they have.
20:07.23neverpanicRish: you can ask the orgs, and they can tell you, but don't have to.
20:07.45swookRish: If you're applying to a well established org, take a look at their previous years
20:07.45|Kev|And you may just annoy them by asking.
20:08.32Rishi asked they said its against the guidlines
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20:09.11swookIt's not relevant to you personally anyway... unless there are too many projects for the org to choose from
20:09.28AbhiToChillwell its not against.. they can tell number
20:09.33AbhiToChillbut they can choose not to
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20:09.47meflinenough is the correct answer :P
20:09.48|Kev|It's not against /Google's/ guidelines to say how many slots they have. It may be against the org's rules.
20:09.49AbhiToChillbut as far as i know.. its not against
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20:10.10AbhiToChillofcourse they cant tell results or selected or rejected status
20:10.21swookI don't see how knowing that could help... would only mislead
20:10.26neverpanicthe number of slots tell you nothing if you don't know the number of applications as well, so why even bother?
20:10.48meflinits not a game of chance in any case
20:10.51|Kev|There's only one edgecase where it tells you anything even if you know the number of applications.
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20:10.58|Kev|(Which is where the numbers are the same)
20:11.22neverpanicEven then, it doesn't mean that the org accepted all of them.
20:11.27|Kev|It does.
20:11.42PulkoMandyand tomorrow you'll know everything anyway :)
20:11.49neverpanicthey could have returned some of the slots
20:11.53|Kev|They could have backed out later, of course, but you don't get more slots than you're accepting students.
20:12.06AbhiToChillthey lied to me when they said i will get results on monday :(
20:12.14swook7pm UTC, Monday
20:12.38PulkoMandypatience is an important thing to have, especially in the open source world
20:12.39AbhiToChillsadly its tuesday for me
20:12.40AbhiToChill:P
20:12.47AbhiToChill12:30 am tuesday
20:12.47AbhiToChill:P
20:12.54PulkoMandyis working for a project that started 15 years ago and has still not released a first stable version
20:12.57swookAbhiToChill: hardly a lie, timezone was specified...
20:13.28AbhiToChillnot in that particular message though :P
20:13.50|Kev|Personally, if one of my students announced in here that I'd been lying to them when they're just being silly, I'd be deaccepting them right now :p
20:13.55swookoh but come on, the earth spans all timezones...
20:15.24AbhiToChillseiously :P
20:15.36|Kev|Seriously. I dislike being called a liar.
20:15.51AbhiToChillsarcasm or jokes dosnt come on chatwindow
20:15.56swooknope
20:15.58meflinits a loaded word best not to joke about it
20:16.01swookand #gsoc doesn't like sarcasm
20:16.38AbhiToChillwell sorry kev if that offended u in anyway i was just like kidding really
20:16.50AbhiToChillany way*
20:17.41|Kev|Thanks.
20:17.56AbhiToChillps : i never said who though i said they :P..
20:17.59AbhiToChillbut anyway i get it
20:18.01AbhiToChillso yeah
20:18.04AbhiToChillam sorry
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20:59.09indrora22h remain.
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21:18.26utkarshnsit would be great if ppl x-gsoc'rs could share their experience of what they did in the pre-coding period
21:18.53Valodimcode
21:18.54meflintalk to your comnity get your kit running and code
21:21.27utkarshnsand things "NOT to DO" would be great
21:21.32utkarshnsfor newcommers
21:21.45meflinalways follow the will wheeton rule
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