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| 07:47.47 | Rish | hey, I am from India..I wanted to know whether we would be getting a google debit card? |
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| 08:58.12 | gsoc594 | hi i want to start contributing in open source but i dn't know any language(backend) ,,how should i start with? |
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| 09:21.34 | terri | gsoc594: I'd suggest you browse through the list of orgs, see which ones you might like to work with, and see which languages they use. |
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| 09:41.37 | spindas | Rish: I believe Payoneer does bank transfers for India |
| 09:42.26 | spindas | Rish: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/studentpaymentcards#registration |
| 09:43.33 | darnir | spindas: I don't think he's online anymore. |
| 09:44.05 | spindas | darnir: Ah, woops. |
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| 11:17.49 | lipeilun | Hello! |
| 11:18.26 | lipeilun | I wonder if it's ok to sign the Student Foreign Certification form and submit a digital photo of it? |
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| 11:30.49 | swook | lipeilun: I took a photo via the Android Google Drive app which processed it to look like a proper scan |
| 11:30.58 | swook | I imagine it should be fine as long as the details are legible |
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| 11:45.25 | lipeilun | swook: Thanks! I will try Google Drive ^_^ |
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| 12:39.16 | gingerninja23 | Hi everyone |
| 12:39.32 | gingerninja23 | Does anyone else get this error "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" in the Projects page on the Main Dashboard ? |
| 12:39.49 | jigyasa__ | Nope |
| 12:39.52 | jigyasa__ | IDONT |
| 12:40.04 | jigyasa__ | *I dont |
| 12:40.43 | braverock | works for me |
| 12:41.51 | teepee-- | gingerninja23: i'm getting that when clicking before the page is fully loaded, maybe it's just slow? |
| 12:43.30 | vineet | I am getting that error too |
| 12:43.48 | gingerninja23 | :( |
| 12:44.17 | kblin | ask in #melange |
| 12:44.20 | kblin | I guess |
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| 12:44.37 | gingerninja23 | What are we supposed to see in the Projects section ? |
| 12:44.38 | vineet | Infact a lot of people complained about that earlier |
| 12:44.49 | gingerninja23 | The project for which we have been selected ? |
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| 12:48.14 | gingerninja23 | vineet: Have you been selected for GSoC this time ? |
| 12:48.26 | vineet | gingerninja23: yups |
| 12:48.45 | gingerninja23 | vineet: Great! |
| 12:49.15 | gingerninja23 | vineet: What are we supposed to see in the Projects section ? Any idea ? |
| 12:49.26 | vineet | gingerninja23: nopes |
| 12:49.33 | vineet | it's my first time |
| 12:49.46 | gingerninja23 | vineet: Mine too |
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| 12:50.32 | vineet | It has a column with name "status" |
| 12:50.50 | vineet | so i guess something my be related for evaluation |
| 12:51.04 | gingerninja23 | Hmm ... |
| 12:51.09 | vineet | or may be for those who applied for many orgs |
| 12:51.16 | raincrash | gingerninja23, I have the same issue too. |
| 12:51.26 | vineet | about their status of each proposal |
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| 12:52.16 | vineet | raincrash: You complained about it about earlier too |
| 12:52.21 | vineet | is it not solved till now |
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| 12:53.14 | vineet | anybody filed the bug on melange ? |
| 12:53.23 | garvitdelhi | even i have this issue |
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| 12:53.37 | gingerninja23 | vineet: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2089 |
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| 12:55.31 | gingerninja23 | vineet : Are you from India ? |
| 12:55.43 | vineet | yes |
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| 12:55.56 | vineet | easy to guess by name :) |
| 12:56.10 | vineet | your name is mysterious :P |
| 12:56.23 | vineet | where are you from ? |
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| 12:58.03 | vineet | gingerninja23: ^^ |
| 12:58.57 | gingerninja23 | vineet : I am from India too :P We are supposed to submit only the Foreign certification form as the Tax Form right ? |
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| 12:59.37 | vineet | gingerninja23: I think so |
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| 13:03.09 | gingerninja23 | vineet : Okay |
| 13:03.16 | jigyasa__ | Same doubt :P |
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| 15:21.05 | gyani | hi |
| 15:21.30 | gyani | i am about to load my `foreign student certification` |
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| 15:22.04 | gyani | *upload. does this follow the same `it is ok if you are specifaccly told to upload another` rule as the identification card did? |
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| 15:24.35 | icodemachine | foreign student ceritification ~ Tax form? |
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| 15:36.13 | gyani | yeah |
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| 15:54.09 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:00.10 | icodemachine | i don't understand, i don't have any info on foreign student certificate? I only got an email mentioning the tax forms |
| 16:00.33 | carols | icodemachine: the foreign certification form is the tax form for students entirely outside the US. |
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| 16:01.37 | ketul | carols: all can be in printed form except sign. right? |
| 16:01.45 | icodemachine | it's the same form right? I can't see any mention of it..i have submitted my tax form , will i receive any update in case it is invalid? |
| 16:01.51 | carols | printed form except sign? i donât understand. |
| 16:01.51 | icodemachine | carols:^ |
| 16:02.16 | carols | icodemachine: youâll be contacted if thereâs a problem with the form you submit, yes |
| 16:02.50 | ketul | carols: I meant that sign should be hand written. address , name, etc. can be printed |
| 16:03.04 | carols | ketul: yes, thatâs fine. |
| 16:03.05 | ketul | and after that it can be scanned |
| 16:03.33 | ketul | carols: thanks |
| 16:03.39 | carols | yw |
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| 16:06.27 | eMBee | do mentors get a package for gsoc at this time? |
| 16:06.33 | carols | eMBee: now? |
| 16:06.34 | carols | no |
| 16:07.03 | eMBee | ok, then the package i am getting is the gci promo stuff |
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| 16:09.07 | eMBee | it's stuck in china customs again... |
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| 16:12.54 | eMBee | on a different topic, i have been wondering there is no way to know how many of the 6000+ proposals were actually good enough to be acceptable (like how many had to be rejected simply because resources are limited) |
| 16:15.13 | blast007 | eMBee: probably because each organization would handle the review of proposals differently and may not mark the status of proposals using the same method |
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| 16:16.21 | eMBee | yes, we didn't use the scoring for example. it's to bad, that number would have been interesting |
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| 16:18.14 | eMBee | also would like to know how many slots in total were requested by all orgs together... |
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| 16:21.59 | carols | eMBee: the number of slots requested isnât really a number that tells you anything. most orgs overestimate the number of students they can accommodate, particularly new orgs who in their first year ask for 20 students |
| 16:22.05 | carols | it doesnât reflect proposal quality |
| 16:22.12 | carols | just ambition on the orgâs part |
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| 16:22.27 | carols | which is why we donât release that number |
| 16:23.06 | eMBee | hmm, good point |
| 16:23.38 | carols | the number of _accepted_ students much more accurately reflects proposal quality + org ability |
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| 16:24.33 | raincrash | Is the welcome package already dispatched or do I still have the chance of changing the shipment address. |
| 16:24.42 | carols | raincrash: the labels are already printed |
| 16:24.46 | carols | they havenât shipped yet |
| 16:25.27 | raincrash | carols, okay.Thanks. |
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| 16:41.22 | lpr | carols, I have sent my new address to Christian but he didn't answer, should I be worrying? |
| 16:41.44 | carols | lpr: generally you should never be worrying. |
| 16:41.51 | carols | anxiety is really just a waste of energy. |
| 16:41.59 | carols | you could use it for coding instead |
| 16:42.01 | carols | :-) |
| 16:42.15 | lpr | oh ok :) |
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| 16:53.52 | mansaMusa | hello guys, I just want to find out if the payoneer cards |
| 16:54.04 | mansaMusa | are shipped separately or they all come in the welcome package? |
| 16:54.11 | carols | mansaMusa: please ask payoneer |
| 16:54.30 | carols | the welcome package is shipped by google, payoneer ships their own stuff |
| 16:54.52 | mansaMusa | carols, thanks I see |
| 16:55.22 | mansaMusa | I hear something about tax forms ? |
| 16:55.32 | mansaMusa | what is that? and how do i get to fill the form? |
| 16:55.40 | carols | mansaMusa: all that info is included in the email you received and on the documents in the email |
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| 16:56.24 | mansaMusa | *oops* I was probably so happy to finish reading the email *slaps* his face |
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| 17:08.57 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 17:11.31 | n1cky | carols: still not able to get onto the student mailing list |
| 17:11.45 | carols | n1cky: okay, then please email me |
| 17:12.26 | n1cky | can you please pm your email? |
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| 17:14.56 | carols | n1cky: my email is carols@google.com |
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| 17:15.04 | carols | itâs posted pretty much everywhere, itâs not a big secret :-) |
| 17:15.10 | carols | but thank you for being respectful of my privacy |
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| 17:16.42 | mansaMusa | carols, I thought students were automatically added to the students list? |
| 17:16.55 | n1cky | mansaMusa: checking my email now, I do see some. |
| 17:16.59 | mansaMusa | Looks like i missed that invitation |
| 17:17.22 | n1cky | but clicking the mailing list link on melange still gives me a permission error |
| 17:17.44 | n1cky | is there a google-groups UI for it? |
| 17:18.01 | n1cky | whatever, this is fine. Thank you carols |
| 17:18.08 | carols | yw |
| 17:18.30 | carols | mansaMusa: yes, accepted students are automatically added |
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| 17:19.17 | mansaMusa | carols, has that been done already? Looks like i missed an email |
| 17:19.25 | carols | mansaMusa: yes, itâs been done |
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| 17:19.42 | sgarrido | I have been added, but I did not receive the email |
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| 17:21.20 | mansaMusa | thanks carols I see the mails now |
| 17:21.25 | carols | yw |
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| 17:24.11 | mansaMusa | sees the link to the ForeignCertifica.. thx |
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| 17:32.32 | mansaMusa | carols, Sorry for really bugging you just want to find out when the GSoC stats will be published |
| 17:32.46 | carols | mansaMusa: whenever i get some time |
| 17:33.00 | carols | iâm currently responding to emails on the students list. |
| 17:33.32 | mansaMusa | carols, guess one week will be the Worst case ;) |
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| 17:34.04 | *** topic/#gsoc by carols -> Students for GSoC 2015 have been announced: http://goo.gl/fhq6pM | For more information about GSoC please visit google-melange.com. |
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| 17:53.14 | asy | Hello carols, I was accepted in gsoc but I can't find how to join the student mailling list ? Could you tell me how I can join ? |
| 17:53.23 | carols | asy: youâre automatically added. |
| 17:53.48 | asy | Ok, then I will wait and see, thank you. |
| 17:53.51 | carols | yw |
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| 18:16.51 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:16.55 | carols | sips some coffee |
| 18:17.03 | carols | already a lot to do and itâs not even noon :-) |
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| 18:17.46 | gingerninja23 | carols, I get this error in the Projects page on my Dashboard : "Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again" |
| 18:17.55 | gingerninja23 | Should I be worried ? |
| 18:17.57 | carols | gingerninja23: please file a bug with melange |
| 18:18.19 | gingerninja23 | carols : Okay. Thanks :) |
| 18:18.31 | carols | yw |
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| 18:22.45 | gingerninja23 | carols: I'm from India. I only need to submit the scanned copy of the signed Foreign Certification form right ? |
| 18:23.00 | carols | gingerninja23: itâs up to you to determine that but the documentâs pretty clear. |
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| 18:23.08 | carols | you should read it over and see if that clarifies it for you |
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| 18:24.59 | d4r3topk | carols: what is the foreign certification about? is it for the students? |
| 18:25.08 | carols | d4r3topk: itâs for accepted students, yes |
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| 18:25.26 | d4r3topk | Well, should I have received a mail regarding it? |
| 18:26.06 | carols | d4r3topk: yes, itâs in the acceptance email |
| 18:26.11 | carols | well, the document is linked there |
| 18:26.17 | carols | not all the info is in the one email :-) |
| 18:26.21 | carols | itâs a lot of info :-) |
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| 18:26.59 | d4r3topk | thnx |
| 18:27.28 | carols | yw |
| 18:28.13 | gingerninja23 | carols: Thanks :) |
| 18:28.17 | carols | yw |
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| 18:37.19 | kinggreedy | I'm still unclear about the "Listing google in CV" so I want to verify if I understand it correctly: Google cannot be listed as your employer or whatever. But my orgs can be listed and I'm student developer. Except from the Accepted Project page and the certificate, Google will not verify my participation but my org may (it's up to them if they want or not). Is that correct ? |
| 18:37.36 | carols | kinggreedy: correct |
| 18:37.47 | kinggreedy | thank you carols |
| 18:37.55 | carols | yw |
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| 19:01.29 | neverpanic | kinggreedy: just list Google Summer of Code as-is. Most tech companies nowadays have heard of the program and know what it is. |
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| 19:02.06 | dfighter | successfully finish GSOC first imo |
| 19:02.19 | dfighter | worry about listing it afterwards |
| 19:02.21 | dfighter | ;) |
| 19:02.57 | neverpanic | yeah, that as well. |
| 19:03.37 | vin-ivar | i don't think a lot of people understand the difference between an internship and a project |
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| 19:07.15 | kinggreedy | @dfighter: I just got confused because of the email from people today |
| 19:07.56 | kinggreedy | @neverpanic: yeah thank you for the advice |
| 19:08.13 | meflin | have a tea and write some code :) |
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| 19:09.24 | dfighter | kinggreedy, nothing to be confused about |
| 19:09.28 | dfighter | you are doing volunteer work |
| 19:09.32 | dfighter | but you get a stipend for it |
| 19:09.44 | dfighter | which is not employment |
| 19:09.51 | dfighter | it's like getting pocket money from your parents |
| 19:09.53 | dfighter | so you can study |
| 19:10.02 | dfighter | instead of working to buy candies |
| 19:10.13 | dfighter | ( or w/e you liked to eat/drink when you were a kid ) |
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| 19:11.06 | kinggreedy | Yeah I understand that part already |
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| 19:12.46 | kinggreedy | after reading the mail from people today, I got confused (because I went to the state of unsure about my understanding). But now I got it cleared again by asking :) |
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| 19:17.13 | dfighter | ah now I can see what you meant by "email from people" |
| 19:17.42 | dfighter | I disabled mails from the mailing lists, and check on the lists with google groups every now and then |
| 19:17.50 | dfighter | so I don't get these funny mails :P |
| 19:18.59 | dfighter | especially the complaining ones are good to get rid of |
| 19:19.17 | meflin | i object |
| 19:19.26 | dfighter | why meflin? |
| 19:19.38 | meflin | that was a small joke ;) |
| 19:19.42 | dfighter | ah |
| 19:19.44 | dfighter | :D |
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| 19:21.47 | dfighter | btw that was re to the mail complaining about GSOC not being an internship. IMO GSOC is one of the best things that can happen to a programmer |
| 19:21.58 | dfighter | you get to work on a project of your choosing, and you get paid for it too |
| 19:22.20 | kinggreedy | The thing I like is the proposal plan |
| 19:22.27 | kinggreedy | which does make sense more than the interview |
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| 19:23.41 | braverock | thinks GSoC is probably better than a traditional internship for most participants. if nothing else, you can point to the work you did on future job interviews and let potential employers review what you accomplished |
| 19:24.10 | dfighter | it's a kind of interview, also hopefully by now most orgs make you fix some bugs, or give you some other tasks |
| 19:24.14 | dfighter | to assess your aptitude |
| 19:26.28 | Naph | You don't always get to work on a project of your choosing |
| 19:26.42 | Naph | Some organizations accept proposals but shuffle around the work |
| 19:28.30 | dfighter | hmm, that's interesting |
| 19:28.40 | dfighter | first time I read about it too |
| 19:29.00 | dfighter | that kind of defeats the purpose of the proposal |
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| 19:30.19 | teepee | indeed, modifying parts is probably reasonable and sometimes needed, "shuffling around" seems wrong to me |
| 19:31.25 | dfighter | is this even "legal"? |
| 19:31.30 | kinggreedy | dfighter: mmmm , i don't want to get to deep about personality, but well, I have problem with expressing during interview. Proposal plan makes it better because I can clearly state what I'm going to do, how I do it, my design and some preferences |
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| 19:32.02 | dfighter | kinggreedy, you have more time too |
| 19:32.04 | kinggreedy | @Naph: "shuffle around the work", so they give some new work for student ? |
| 19:32.05 | dfighter | to think it through |
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| 19:32.47 | kinggreedy | yeah, to design it perfectly. Some even give out some advice about how to do it better, like everyone has an equal chance. |
| 19:32.52 | Naph | Sorry, I went afk for a while. I'm currently in a situation where I do not think I will receive the task of working on the project for which I submitted a proposal. |
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| 19:34.39 | kinggreedy | and by saying "Equal chance", i mean that you cannot be eliminate by just a small disadvantage (for example, not submitting a contribution/patch for the community) |
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| 19:37.06 | kinggreedy | @Naph: that sounds really bad, but have you and your mentor discussed about it ? And do you like the new task you think they are going to give you ? |
| 19:37.32 | braverock | Naph: you should be flattered. that type of thing typically only happens when an org gets multiple great proposals on a single project idea. |
| 19:37.55 | braverock | we've split project ideas a couple of times, and redirected students to something else once or twice |
| 19:38.23 | braverock | to give a slot to an obviously talented student who had nevertheless submitted the 'second' proposal for a given project idea |
| 19:38.45 | braverock | I don't know how the process inside your org works, of course, just speaking from my own experience |
| 19:40.04 | braverock | I guess I'd also say that the process of working on a large code-base always involves compromises and tradeoffs, including working on bits that might not have been your first choice. |
| 19:40.08 | Naph | braverock: Thanks for the insight. |
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| 19:41.13 | braverock | definitely talk to the mentors and org admins for your org though, and try to understand what and why they're proposing changing things |
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| 22:09.40 | swook | dfighter: it happened to me in 2013 |
| 22:10.17 | swook | I applied for a different project to the one I eventually carried out. Several weeks were lost acquainting myself to the new task and designing the proposed changes. |
| 22:10.26 | swook | Well, 'lost' is a pessimistic way of putting it. |
| 22:10.32 | swook | spent is better |
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