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| 08:35.56 | Ori_B_ | hey, quick question: When you ask 'How will you keep mentors engaged with their students?', I'm assuming that the concern is largely the students disappearing, and not the mentors? |
| 08:38.00 | tbr | is just a former mentor, but I'd actually expect both, though the emphasis may be a bit on the student side |
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| 09:34.50 | gevaerts | Ori_B: mentors losing interest or disappearing is just as real a concern as students doing that. It might be less so in your case, and if so I guess that question is the ideal place to explain how you managed that :) |
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| 14:43.43 | adis | imali neko iz Bosne |
| 14:43.47 | adis | za razgovor |
| 14:43.48 | adis | bilo ko |
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| 17:24.26 | hwpplayer1 | Hi friends , how can i join google summer of code |
| 17:24.31 | hwpplayer1 | i'm reading the website |
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| 17:24.42 | blast007 | as a student? |
| 17:24.54 | hwpplayer1 | i'm not student |
| 17:25.08 | hwpplayer1 | i've finished university |
| 17:25.25 | blast007 | are you an organization admin? |
| 17:25.47 | hwpplayer1 | i'm working for a GNU/Linux community named Pardus Community Edition |
| 17:26.10 | blast007 | in what way are you wanting to participate? |
| 17:26.22 | hwpplayer1 | i learn programming |
| 17:26.32 | hwpplayer1 | i thought that i can find a project for me |
| 17:26.44 | hwpplayer1 | my teacher told me that way |
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| 17:27.59 | blast007 | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
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| 17:29.17 | hwpplayer1 | ok i'm reading |
| 17:29.20 | hwpplayer1 | thanks |
| 17:32.37 | sttaylor | hwpplayer1: to be a student in GSoC you must still be enrolled in a university program |
| 17:33.29 | hwpplayer1 | ok i'll tell that to my friends who is still in university |
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| 19:06.35 | meflin | hmm it seems the only option is to register as an org ... what about backup admins? |
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| 19:08.13 | meflin | does that happen later? |
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| 19:24.10 | maryr | meflin: you can register backup admins when/if your org is chosen to participate |
| 19:25.39 | meflin | weird but ok |
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| 20:10.20 | maryr | meflin: I was wrong |
| 20:11.13 | maryr | whoever the person was who created the application can invitwe one other Org Admin to be the backup |
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| 20:18.13 | sttaylor | meflin: and addâl OAs can be invited after the org is accepted. People can not sign themselves up anymore, they must be invited to be a mentor or OA by an OA. |
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| 20:20.03 | meflin | nice :) |
| 20:20.42 | meflin | thanks |
| 20:21.44 | meflin | is there an invite button for the 2nd OA? |
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| 20:29.44 | Freso | meflin: Yes. |
| 20:30.22 | Robert_S | "backup admins" is not a concept. |
| 20:30.38 | Robert_S | "multiple admins" is the new concept. |
| 20:31.10 | meflin | its the old concept as well :) |
| 20:31.59 | Robert_S | there were silly names for it before. |
| 20:32.46 | meflin | and you didn't improve it with sillyer names? |
| 20:33.24 | Robert_S | Correct. Rule #17 of the new site is no silly names. |
| 20:33.46 | meflin | boo I wanted to be admin-grumpy |
| 20:35.27 | Robert_S | meflin: That violates rule #29. |
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| 20:38.33 | catallman | What about rule #42? |
| 20:38.56 | meflin | that is up to each person |
| 20:39.01 | meflin | I have a case on hand |
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| 21:02.55 | xorAxAx | is there a complete list of relevant rules somewhere? |
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| 21:06.49 | Freso | !rules |
| 21:06.53 | Freso | ... |
| 21:07.15 | meflin | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/resources/ |
| 21:07.22 | Freso | goes to have a private chat with the bot |
| 21:09.27 | xorAxAx | that doesnt give away rule #29, though |
| 21:09.51 | Freso | !rules |
| 21:09.51 | gsocbot | Freso: "rules" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/rules |
| 21:10.12 | Robert_S | g.co/gsoc/rules :) |
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| 21:10.44 | Freso | !botsnack |
| 21:10.45 | gsocbot | Freso: "botsnack" is tasty |
| 21:10.48 | Freso | :) |
| 21:11.37 | xorAxAx | thanks, much better :) |
| 21:11.45 | atul | Hey I am new to open source and I am finding it tough to begin. |
| 21:12.56 | atul | Can anyone guide me as how to start with a easy project, what tools to learn and how to understand codebase |
| 21:12.57 | meflin | find a project you like and get involved |
| 21:13.08 | xorAxAx | do you have expectations about your interactions with the open source community, atul? |
| 21:13.24 | PulkoMandy | there are a lot of open source projects and they are all different |
| 21:13.33 | PulkoMandy | and if you can't find one you like, just write your own :) |
| 21:14.34 | Freso | atul: The very first step is finding "your" project. You don't have to wed yourself to the project "until death do you part", but a lot of people have one project as their primary project that they spent most of their time with/on. |
| 21:14.38 | atul | I tried to contact tux4kids but its mailing list as well as its IRC channel seems dormant |
| 21:14.53 | Freso | Once you've found that project, the community around the project will help you from there. |
| 21:15.08 | Freso | Some projects are dead (or close to dead anyway) though. |
| 21:15.14 | xorAxAx | atul: thats not uncommon |
| 21:15.23 | Freso | If so, revive it or find another project. |
| 21:15.44 | xorAxAx | and reviving is a good challenge for a beginner, i presume |
| 21:16.10 | xorAxAx | atul: do you know what kind of projects would be interesting to you? |
| 21:16.21 | atul | Can you suggest me an easy project as of now i Know C, C++ working knowledge of python, git,linux |
| 21:16.36 | xorAxAx | atul: any constraints on the theme or size? |
| 21:16.52 | xorAxAx | does it need to be something that you also use yourself? |
| 21:17.33 | PulkoMandy | I'd say contributing to something you actually use is better. But then I'm so busy working on some of my projects that I don't have time to use them anymore :) |
| 21:17.50 | atul | may be i can also start using it if i am not now |
| 21:19.30 | atul | I saw the codebase of Libre office on github. It had far too many modules and i just couldnot understand it at all. Please suggest me some easy projects |
| 21:20.06 | xorAxAx | atul: but there is thousands of such projects ... anything you would prefer? tux4kids is very different from libreoffice (which is probably one of the largest FLOSS code bases) |
| 21:20.53 | valorie | atul: what software do you use? |
| 21:21.02 | valorie | anything you want to fix or improve? |
| 21:21.08 | valorie | that's where most people start |
| 21:21.34 | xorAxAx | indeed, that got me into open source as well |
| 21:21.53 | atul | May be this is the mistake that i am making ... I am trying to start with one of the largest codebase... suggest some small scale projects please |
| 21:22.00 | xorAxAx | impetus because of the countless bugs :) |
| 21:22.29 | atul | valorie: Software as in ? |
| 21:22.42 | xorAxAx | atul: the problem is that we do not know your preferences. i guess it wouldnt help anybody if we listed the 100 smallest, active open source projects :) |
| 21:23.18 | valorie | atul: my story is that I loved Amarok, but realized that their user docs ....lacked |
| 21:23.31 | valorie | so I showed up and volunteered to help with that |
| 21:23.47 | valorie | ended up running the user manual bit |
| 21:23.56 | valorie | at least for awhile |
| 21:24.05 | valorie | and that was my "in" to the KDE community |
| 21:24.21 | atul | thats cool |
| 21:24.35 | valorie | GCi students helped us write many of the pages of the new manual |
| 21:24.46 | valorie | the first year of gci |
| 21:25.05 | atul | xorAxAx: what do you mean when you ask about preferences? |
| 21:25.05 | valorie | so find what you love, and follow your heart |
| 21:25.13 | PulkoMandy | I could suggest some of my own small projects, but usually small projects have less developers so there is less activity. Maybe that makes it easier to get in if you can figure things out on your own. On bigger projects, it's more likely that you find people to answer your questions. And on very large projects, it become difficult to find the right people to answer your project becose there is too many people |
| 21:27.08 | Robert_S | 1. Pick an open source project you regularly use personally. 2. Identify a bug that bothers you. 3. Fix it. |
| 21:27.15 | Freso | ^ |
| 21:27.19 | xorAxAx | atul: well, i presume not all of these projects and products suit you equally well. for example, i wouldnt like working on military software that controls weapons :) |
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| 21:28.03 | Robert_S | xorAxAx: I think I read a book about that. Kids didn't realize they were flying the drones until the end. Maybe I'm thinking of Enders Game.. But I think it's been used over and over again. |
| 21:28.41 | PulkoMandy | and I enjoy working on things which will probably ever be used by 10 people in the world, while some people may prefer working on hugely popular things |
| 21:28.48 | xorAxAx | Robert_S: ah, i didnt know that story |
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| 21:30.01 | xorAxAx | yes, exactly, PulkoMandy, a sense of usefulness is good. does the project offer something where you think its missing? |
| 21:30.06 | terri | we get the "how do I choose?" question so often that we came up with a set of questions to help people figure it out. they might help you too: https://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#How_do_I_choose_a_project_or_a_sub-org.3F |
| 21:30.40 | atul | Thanks terri |
| 21:30.53 | terri | still wants to write a giant spinner than selects a random gsoc org for you, though. ;) I figure after a spin most people will notice that they do in fact have some preferences after all. ;) |
| 21:32.52 | PulkoMandy | also, most of the times, you will not get paid for what you do in open source projects. So, remember to pick something you enjoy working on for other reasons than earning money. It may be fame, fun, learning, meeting more people, or anything that keeps you motivated. |
| 21:33.46 | xorAxAx | atul: in the end, it is kind of useful to try a bit. be playful in the choice of project groups. see what they value and whether its a constructive effort. |
| 21:34.31 | atul | Thanks |
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| 21:35.23 | PulkoMandy | and you can change your mind at any time. If you get bored with a project, stop working on it and do something else. Come back a few years later and resume your work. Start contributing to just one or several dozen projects. This is a lot of quite personal choices, actually |
| 21:38.43 | perepujal | In the end the only who can reply your question about what project to choose is yourself :) |
| 21:40.08 | xorAxAx | Robert_S: was the book good? |
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| 21:44.12 | PulkoMandy | terri: nice faq, I would suggest adding a link to http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html somewhere in there maybe |
| 21:50.10 | terri | PulkoMandy: We kind of decided that we'd rather encourage students to ask questions and learn how to ask as they go than worry if they're doing it "right" |
| 21:50.44 | terri | that doc is great but maybe a bit too much background reading for the type of environment we're hoping to cultivate! |
| 21:52.15 | Freso | And it's not very newbie friendly either. |
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| 21:54.14 | terri | And reading esr can send people down a bit of a rabbit hole |
| 21:54.32 | terri | but mostly it's just too long. We've already got more information than most students read. :) |
| 21:54.43 | terri | (And that's fair! they're busy people too!) |
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| 21:58.36 | Robert_S | xorAxAx: I like Enders Game. I think it's a good book. The recent movie was decent too, surprisingly. |
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| 22:00.32 | perepujal | terri: the soc2015...@... email addres souldn't be updated to soc2016...@...? or best to just soc...@... |
| 22:00.59 | xorAxAx | Robert_S: does it contain a lot of violence? |
| 22:02.15 | meflin | perepujal: nice catch ... gsoc-admins |
| 22:03.57 | terri | perepujal: good catch, the email address has changed (and, indeed, we took out the year) |
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| 22:58.18 | benzrf | xorAxAx: define 'a lot' |
| 22:58.52 | xorAxAx | well, it seems like military scifi. i have no idea what to expect from that genre |
| 22:59.40 | benzrf | there's some violence |
| 22:59.58 | benzrf | but not all that much |
| 23:00.14 | benzrf | it's mostly from a tactics viewpoint of military stuff, less in-the-middle-of-battle |
| 23:00.25 | benzrf | inasmuch as there's in-the-middle-of-battle stuff, it's training stuff |
| 23:00.31 | benzrf | with stun guns or something |
| 23:00.47 | xorAxAx | so, its more about something that would also map to society outside of war setting? |
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