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00:49.40 | wannix | anyone know how many student applications are allowed to submit per a student? any limitations for particular organization? |
00:50.00 | meflin | as I recall its 5 |
00:50.09 | meflin | but quanity is nothing compaired to quality |
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00:53.23 | wannix | yeah I know, I have multiple choices ;) thanks for your time! :D |
00:53.35 | meflin | quality always quality |
00:53.44 | meflin | apps with no quality go in the bin |
00:55.00 | wannix | meflin: thanks for the tip, I'll try my best |
00:55.57 | meflin | get involved with your chosen project now and fix bug and become awsome |
01:02.07 | wannix | I tried couple of simple patches in apache, but it seems like eclipse has more interesting ones |
01:02.19 | meflin | go with what you find fun |
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01:05.02 | wannix | cheers! |
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03:59.29 | mbtamuli12 | I have read the irc guidelines. But what should one do if no one replies? |
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04:05.01 | meflin | mbtamuli12: wait |
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04:05.15 | meflin | also check if the org has other ways of talking |
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07:11.53 | Ruks | I'm interested in submitting my project proposal for Project 4 (Droidbot). Anyone who knows what is the procedure? |
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07:57.12 | valorie | Ruks: have you found a good team to work with in your org? |
07:57.27 | valorie | do you know some of the people who might mentor you? |
07:57.55 | valorie | those are the people to whom you should share your draft proposal |
08:00.25 | Ruks | @valorie : no i don't have a group to work with, please let me know how to start |
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08:01.42 | valorie | you'll need to contact your org and make those discoveries |
08:01.48 | valorie | noone can do that for you |
08:02.01 | valorie | this is how you start in free and open source |
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08:07.34 | Ruks | ok, thanks Valorie, I misunderstood your question previously, I'm representing my campus (SLIIT), where I have a super-wiser, I think that is the group you are mentioning. I already submitted my proposal to the campus and stared working with that, |
08:08.23 | Ruks | What i need is to get a mentor form GSOC and get registered with them..Still I don't have a member ship etc |
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08:16.21 | valorie | ah, you are a mentor |
08:16.54 | valorie | in that case, speak to the admin, give them your google-connected account email, and you'll be invited to the webapp |
08:17.17 | valorie | you can no longer register as a mentor without being invited |
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08:20.18 | Ruks | oh that is fine.. next question is how can I contact an admin? |
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08:21.26 | valorie | your org should know -- that is up to each org |
08:21.46 | valorie | the Google team doesn't do this |
08:22.06 | valorie | for instance, I'm an org admin for KDE |
08:22.11 | valorie | we have 5 |
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09:00.56 | Rask_ | Hi Anyone who work with Droidbox, Droidbot, please share your contact details.. |
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09:09.41 | valorie | Rask_: it will be on the org list which is in the topic of this chan |
09:09.57 | valorie | each org MUST provide contact details |
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09:12.56 | Rask_ | i have looked in the org list, >>https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations .. not able to find any |
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09:14.20 | valorie | if they aren't there, they aren't participating |
09:14.52 | valorie | at least not as an independent org |
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09:18.10 | nicolassebrecht | Rask_: I just joined. What are you looking for? |
09:20.14 | Rask_ | i look forward to work on droidbot project, need to find out an organization who is interested on that |
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09:33.40 | Rask_ | nicolassebrecht : anyone has experiences on working on droidbox? |
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09:34.03 | nicolassebrecht | Not me. |
09:34.17 | nicolassebrecht | You might send a mail to the mailing list. |
09:35.55 | Rask_ | thaks |
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14:15.56 | nightwalker95 | Anyone mind answering a small doubt about proposal?? |
14:19.25 | kvps | yes |
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14:21.14 | nightwalker95 | thanks kvps |
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18:18.44 | karmicyodha | Hi, If we have already secured an internship for the summer, can we still participate in Google Summer of Code ? |
18:19.59 | meflin | yes, but I dont see how you could have the time ... GSOC is a full time job |
18:20.12 | tbr | it is not recommended. The failure rate with people trying to juggle both is incredible. |
18:21.54 | karmicyodha | Okay. Thanks for clarifying. |
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18:43.12 | quim | Anyone knows some project for gsoc which use mainly golang? I've searched at gsoc official page but I couldn't find anything |
18:43.34 | quim | There're some ones who use a little of golang, but not as a main language |
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19:16.05 | frimelle | Hey, I have a quick question and was wondering whom I could ask- I'd like to participate in the summer of code as a student, but I am between my Bachelor's and Mater's program, so technically not a student. Is there still a way to participate? |
19:16.53 | tbr | you need to be a student at the due date, that's what counts |
19:17.12 | meflin | the requirements are in the student guide |
19:17.43 | teepee | frimelle: if you can get a document that says "enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution" you are good |
19:18.33 | frimelle | The due date being the date of the application or the start of the program? |
19:18.40 | frimelle | And thank you so much! :) |
19:18.54 | teepee | no, check the rules, there's the date somewhere |
19:19.00 | frimelle | Okay, thanks! |
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20:58.58 | lpop | do you guys think that can you be a beginner coder and successfully complete a project? |
21:00.14 | thiago | yes |
21:00.19 | thiago | that's the objective of gsoc |
21:02.04 | lpop | well i was just looking through past proposals/completed projects and many students seem to have advanced knowledge in multiple languages, have examples of their code on github, etc |
21:02.15 | lpop | whereas I've never worked on any open source dev project before |
21:02.52 | lpop | is anyone here in the same position? |
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21:04.40 | valorie | lpop: most students propose something they can do, but will be a challenge as well |
21:05.11 | valorie | you make the proposal, so gauge your own knowledge and work habits as you lay your plan |
21:05.27 | thiago | it needs to be something you can accomplish |
21:05.42 | thiago | but if your proposal isn't as interesting as everyone else's, you may not get selected |
21:06.24 | PulkoMandy | it's not just about the technical skills |
21:06.40 | lpop | right, and I assume if you have clearly communicated your goals + background to the mentoring organization and they are on board then it's a good sign |
21:06.46 | lpop | who exactly makes the final call though? |
21:07.07 | PulkoMandy | I remember of at least one case where we had two students applying for the same project, one obviously had the required technical knowledge and skills, and the other not quite |
21:07.09 | lpop | we submit our proposals to GSoC but is it the mentor who will select which student will work on their project? |
21:07.13 | meflin | each org makes there own decision |
21:07.35 | PulkoMandy | we picked the second one because he asked lots of questions trying to understand the problems, and came up with a more detailed proposal in the end |
21:08.12 | lpop | but GSoC can reject the proposal even if the mentor is already on board with it? |
21:08.20 | lpop | thanks, that's a good example |
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21:09.17 | PulkoMandy | the selection of students is entirely up to each organization, no one from Google has a say on that. The only constraint Google applies is they decide how many students each org can accept |
21:10.09 | lpop | alright thank you! I couldn't find clear information on that. Up to the organization as a whole right? Not just the mentor for the project? |
21:10.49 | meflin | yes , but mentors are part of the org |
21:10.59 | lpop | Do most people have a good idea after submitting their proposal whether or not they'll get accepted in the end? Waiting till the end of April is quite a while.. and then you might be left without a summer job |
21:11.07 | PulkoMandy | yes, since there is a fixed number of students for the org, they have to make decisions at that level. How each organization makes the decision is up to them |
21:11.13 | PulkoMandy | !numapps |
21:11.13 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
21:11.19 | lpop | Have you guys completed a GSoC before? |
21:11.30 | PulkoMandy | this gives you an idea of the number of students and accepted students each year |
21:11.46 | PulkoMandy | (so roughly 1/4 students are accepted) |
21:11.51 | lpop | thanks for sharing! :) |
21:12.11 | blast007 | !odds |
21:12.15 | gsocbot | blast007: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
21:12.21 | meflin | lpop: you wont know untill the result come out |
21:12.48 | PulkoMandy | I was a student in 2009 (after a failed attempt in 2008) and now I'm mentoring. Well, when my org is accepted in GSoC anyway, so not this year |
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21:13.14 | lpop | how was your overall experience? was it challenging to set milestones and meet them? |
21:14.04 | olly | that really doesn't mean *your* chances are 1/4 though - there's a thick seam of terrible proposals at the bottom with have a 0% chance of being accepted |
21:14.40 | lpop | but if you have your mentor go over your proposal and tell you that it looks great, I'm assuming your chances are quite high |
21:14.52 | lpop | if as you say, they're making the final call? |
21:15.09 | olly | people who just pasted the idea straight from the list, or posted a placeholder proposal to make the deadline, or in one memorable example, offered to write us an accounting system |
21:15.14 | lpop | I kept thinking GSoC would be judging the proposals first then sending them to orgs |
21:15.37 | olly | gsoc's run by a very small number of people at google |
21:15.38 | PulkoMandy | olly: or sending an unmodified letter template to all orgs |
21:15.58 | olly | yeah - at least the limit is now 5 (it was 20) |
21:16.06 | olly | i suspect the accounting system was one of those |
21:17.04 | olly | lpop: so it's not really feasible for them to view 6000+ proposals |
21:17.16 | lpop | so could you not just ask the org if they're thinking of taking you before the april 22 announcement then? |
21:17.22 | PulkoMandy | lpop: as for my experience as a student (and later on, working alone at home on the project), it does take some self-discipline to spend ~40 hours per week on the project |
21:17.34 | olly | lpop: google ask us not to discuss that with students |
21:17.47 | olly | so it's better not to put them in an awkward position |
21:17.51 | PulkoMandy | but I got lot of help from the mentors, so there weren't too much problems, and I learnt a lot during the process |
21:18.18 | lpop | alright thank you guys! this cleared up some confusion for me |
21:18.37 | PulkoMandy | which is why I think the technical aspects are not essential. Most important is abilities to communicate and work that way. The technical stuff you can learn along the way |
21:19.18 | olly | if you've discussed the proposal with the org and taken feedback on board, they'll at least be considering your proosal |
21:19.25 | PulkoMandy | whereas if you can't motivate yourself to work in such conditions, or if you have trouble communicating with the mentors and other developers over IRC and mailing lists, you may have a lot of technical knowledge and still not manage to get anything useful done |
21:19.30 | lpop | it's reassuring to know beginner coders can successfully complete this program! I was under the impression that most students were expert level |
21:19.47 | olly | the thick seam of junk gets discarded quickly |
21:19.58 | PulkoMandy | (no matter how skilled you are, the mentors are working for years on the project you'll be contributing to, so they know better anyway) |
21:20.17 | olly | some orgs are better set up for novice coders, by the nature of what they're doing |
21:21.06 | lpop | good to know! |
21:21.19 | lpop | are there any meet-up events at the end of summer or anything? |
21:21.28 | lpop | has anyone actually gone to visit their mentoring org in the end? |
21:21.35 | olly | there's a summit at google for mentors and admins |
21:21.43 | lpop | I know it's good to remain a part of the community and keep contributing after |
21:21.47 | olly | and the 10 year one has students too |
21:21.53 | olly | *had |
21:22.27 | lpop | will it be posted anywhere how many proposals have been submitted per project vs how many spots are avail? |
21:22.33 | PulkoMandy | in my case I visit the yearly meeting of the project, but that's not something officially related to GSoC. So, you'll have to see how it goes with the org you apply with |
21:22.42 | lpop | the waiting game seems so stressful ahh |
21:23.12 | olly | i know debian usually tries to get their students to their annual conference |
21:23.22 | PulkoMandy | lpop: only after the students are accepted. Google usually does a blog post with some stats (nuber of countries, universities, etc) |
21:25.31 | teepee | olly: right, they are also encuraged to present the results there, I had the chance to see that last year |
21:25.45 | lpop | sorry asking this once again just to be certain - your proposal is only judged by the mentoring organization and they will decide whether or not they will accept you? |
21:25.46 | lpop | that's cool |
21:26.35 | teepee | lpop: yes, only the org will look at the proposals and decide |
21:27.18 | teepee | same for the evaluations, google pretty much only collects the results from the orgs |
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21:28.39 | lpop | okay. Thank you guys so much for answering my qs. All the best! |
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