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| 04:56.28 | tharkibaba | how many hours a week does a GSoC student are expected to spend during GSoC ? |
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| 04:59.04 | valorie | tharkibaba: a full-time job |
| 04:59.18 | valorie | in the US, that is considered 40 hours per week |
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| 04:59.40 | tharkibaba | valorie: Thanks! :) |
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| 06:20.50 | downey | valorie: more like 50+ these days :( |
| 06:21.45 | valorie | downey: that's crazy-town! |
| 06:22.12 | valorie | I think that is bad for all of us, if it lasts more than a week |
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| 06:42.22 | FjordPrefect | I registered about 3 days back and uploaded my school id. I still haven't gotten confirmation regarding it's validity. How long does this take? |
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| 06:51.34 | valorie | FjordPrefect: don't worry about |
| 06:51.42 | valorie | you'll hear back if there is a problem |
| 06:52.06 | valorie | just get on with working on your proposal, fixing bugs, and getting to know your possible mentors |
| 06:56.23 | FjordPrefect | That's reassuring, thanks for the response. |
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| 08:02.59 | akki | Hi, in what format are we required to provide our final proposal ? |
| 08:03.05 | akki | I mean does it need to be a pdf ? |
| 08:04.43 | akki | I have mine in a .rst file...will that do ? |
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| 08:09.55 | downey | akki: Yes, the final one must be a PDF. |
| 08:11.09 | satyaki3794 | downey: and can we submit the final pdf as many times as we want (and the last one counts) or only once? |
| 08:11.50 | downey | satyaki3794: I'm not sure since I haven't seen that UI yet, but I will try to find out from sttaylor :-) |
| 08:12.04 | satyaki3794 | ok, thanks ;) |
| 08:12.18 | downey | she says yes, you can submit multiple "final" PDF up until the deadline :-) |
| 08:12.26 | downey | fortunately she was next to me LOL |
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| 08:14.41 | satyaki3794 | aah ok, thanks a bunch |
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| 08:17.34 | akki | downey: Was this the case last year as well ? |
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| 08:18.20 | downey | akki: Well it was a different tool last year ... basically it was like a wiki page you could edit up until the deadline. |
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| 08:37.34 | Ch3ck | It seems I can't edit my profile, once it's created |
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| 08:37.45 | Ch3ck | on the new system |
| 08:37.50 | Ch3ck | Is this not weird? |
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| 08:41.10 | sttaylor | Ch3ck: you can?t edit your name or email, which shouldn?t change. |
| 08:41.20 | sttaylor | You should be able to edit your tshirt size, address, etc. |
| 08:43.56 | Rish | which is the last date to submit identification? |
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| 08:44.33 | Rish | what* |
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| 08:50.13 | sttaylor | your proof of enrollment must be uploaded by the application deadline March 25 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 08:56.23 | valorie | Rish: don't wait until the last minute |
| 08:56.54 | Ch3ck | sttaylor, I see |
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| 09:32.34 | cokovskis | Hi, is anyone from the admins of GSoC here? |
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| 09:40.52 | kblin | !support | cokovskis |
| 09:40.53 | gsocbot | cokovskis: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
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| 09:41.45 | cokovskis | kblin: Can I ask you? |
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| 09:42.20 | kblin | I guess, but I don't work for google. so my answer really depends on your question :) |
| 09:43.34 | cokovskis | My question is regarding the proof of enrollment. I received such a proof in my native language which has a signature and stamp from my university and I am wondering do I need to have those too on the English translation that I am writing? |
| 09:45.09 | kblin | I think I just provided a scan of the original and my own translation when I was a student |
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| 09:46.07 | cokovskis | My faculty won't give me an English one without paying. |
| 09:47.50 | kblin | !faq |
| 09:47.50 | gsocbot | kblin: "faq" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
| 09:49.34 | kblin | let me check what the faq had on that :) |
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| 09:57.47 | kblin | cokovskis: I think if there's recognizable dates and stuff on the official document, your own translation is fine |
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| 10:00.12 | cokovskis | Do you happen to know how long does it take to get a response on whether it is approved or not? |
| 10:00.38 | kblin | nope, sorry |
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| 10:22.55 | anilkumar1994 | hi |
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| 10:53.41 | Rish | valorie: where is it mentioned? |
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| 11:23.12 | hpfmn | hi |
| 11:24.03 | bshah | Rish: it is not mentioned anywhere, but if you submit early you can get feedback and you can update your proposal |
| 11:24.17 | hpfmn | I wonder how long it taks to get my proof of enrollment reviewed? I think I uploaded it on tuesday and it is still pending for review |
| 11:24.55 | Rish | bshah: ok..thankyou |
| 11:25.34 | linuxmodder | Rish, what org are you applying to ? |
| 11:25.35 | bshah | hpfmn: it will take time, just don't worry about it and focus on your proposal, if something is wrong you will be given time to fix and upload new enrollment proof |
| 11:25.53 | Rish | linuxmodder: scilab |
| 11:25.54 | linuxmodder | contact the contact folks there (mentors normally) |
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| 11:28.46 | linuxmodder | gsoc@lists.scilab.org and their mailing list send intro email and request feedback on `draft` proposal |
| 11:28.52 | linuxmodder | Rish, ^ |
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| 11:29.11 | Rish | ya doing that |
| 11:29.13 | Rish | thanks a lot |
| 11:29.53 | hpfmn | thx bshah |
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| 11:47.50 | uve | Hello |
| 11:48.10 | uve | any body here..i need help |
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| 11:55.11 | uve | Hey guys.!! |
| 11:55.18 | bshah | !ask |
| 11:55.18 | gsocbot | bshah: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 11:55.26 | bshah | !give uve ask |
| 11:56.01 | uve | I hv chosen a project to work on..wot next.. |
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| 11:56.51 | linuxmodder | uve, visit that orgs what next page |
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| 11:57.34 | uve | Visited..bt i m nt getting wot to do.. |
| 11:58.11 | uve | Wot is the common procedure after project selection |
| 11:58.33 | uve | selection means selected by me |
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| 12:00.46 | uve | ?? |
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| 12:08.49 | uve | Hello |
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| 12:15.20 | cdesai_ | Hi, I am thinking of participating in GSoC this year. There's one thing holding me back, semester exams on 24 May (same date as program start). I think I'll be able to manage, though. |
| 12:15.30 | cdesai_ | any advice / suggestions? |
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| 12:24.08 | pertschy | learning in advance :) |
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| 12:30.35 | cdesai_ | pertschy: yeah, 5 papers this time, 2 of which I won't need to learn much anyways. |
| 12:30.35 | cdesai_ | If I rephrase my question, would a mentor / organization with okay with that? |
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| 12:33.37 | linuxmodder | cdesai_, talk to that org but most are IF you have a solid roadmap and plan |
| 12:33.57 | cdesai_ | will do, thanks! |
| 12:36.22 | kblin | cdesai_: if it's on the same day as the program start, I don't think that should impact your progress too much |
| 12:37.22 | cdesai_ | kblin: it starts on that day, the entire time table isn't available yet, and I'll have 5 papers (usually with a 1-2 day gap), 3 hours each. |
| 12:38.09 | kblin | ah, ok. sure, makes sense for semester exams |
| 12:38.42 | kblin | but that basically means that there's ~2 weeks at the start where you're still busy with university stuff |
| 12:38.52 | kblin | this can be accounted for |
| 12:39.16 | cdesai_ | yep, with quite a bit of free time in between. |
| 12:39.55 | cdesai_ | I know because it'll be my 2nd semester. |
| 12:44.02 | kblin | so assuming you're not cramming for the next exam in the free time before it, that means this will impact your schedule even less |
| 12:44.40 | kblin | so personally I think this shouldn't be a problem, if you plan for this and are upfront on this with your mentoring org |
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| 12:45.13 | cdesai_ | yep, makes sense. I'll definitely do that. Thanks! |
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| 13:07.38 | anilkumar1994 | hi |
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| 13:54.44 | lordkryss | is the money given for gsoc considered a grant/scolarship? |
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| 14:05.49 | lordkryss | because we are paid for our work, but we also need to be students, and if it's considered a scolarship i could lose my other scolarship making it worthless |
| 14:06.40 | Valodim | if you are outside of the US, google does not care about any financial technicalities on your side |
| 14:07.56 | lordkryss | i know.. they will still give me the money, my question is how that money considered on their side |
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| 14:08.58 | gevaerts | As far as I know it's not a grant or scholarship, but I never fully understood what it *is* |
| 14:09.38 | Valodim | I don't think any of these terms have international meanings you could apply if you tried |
| 14:09.53 | gevaerts | True |
| 14:09.54 | kblin | so, in the Google Summer of Taxes 2005, I learned that it was independent technical consulting, as far as the IRS cared |
| 14:10.11 | kblin | but of course I can't give any tax or legal advice :) |
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| 14:10.55 | gevaerts | Sure you can :) |
| 14:11.01 | lordkryss | so it more like actual working than a scolarship? |
| 14:11.05 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 14:11.08 | Valodim | yes, definitely |
| 14:11.11 | lordkryss | that would be perfect then |
| 14:11.38 | gevaerts | Which is also I suspect why the code sample is there at the end |
| 14:11.45 | kblin | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#is_gsoc_considered_an_internship_a_job_or_any_form_of_employment <--- |
| 14:11.58 | kblin | I think this is pretty clear on the topic |
| 14:12.04 | kblin | gevaerts: that's also my guess, yes |
| 14:12.10 | Valodim | except for that word "stipend", haha |
| 14:12.40 | gevaerts | always thought a stipend was something to do with pig breeding :) |
| 14:13.01 | lordkryss | kblin: yeah i read that, it says we are not employed, but when you're paid to do something it's technically a job... |
| 14:13.52 | kblin | I'm not a lawyer (fortunately), so I'll not comment on that |
| 14:14.06 | gevaerts | lordkryss: what is "a job", legally? |
| 14:14.13 | kblin | but according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, a stipend is "a fixed sum of money paid periodically for services or to defray expenses" |
| 14:14.30 | lordkryss | could it be the case that it's just as if i was freelancing? |
| 14:14.54 | lordkryss | that still wouldn't break that FAQ since i don't think beeing a freelancer/indipendent contractor would be consireded employment |
| 14:15.14 | kblin | that's how I'd interpret "independent developer" |
| 14:15.28 | kblin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipend is also pretty relevant on this topic |
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| 14:16.35 | lordkryss | ok, the important thing for me is that it's not a scolarship :) thanks! |
| 14:17.02 | lordkryss | now i just have to figure it out how to deal with gsoc and also my exchange semester overlapping if i'll ever get accepted :P |
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| 14:33.21 | AlexP11223 | What happens when I submit Final Proposal (step 4)? Can I resubmit it before the deadline? Will the org be able to see it before deadline? |
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| 14:36.52 | kblin | yes and yes |
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| 14:37.11 | AlexP11223 | what's the point of draft then? |
| 14:37.44 | kblin | It's easier to provide comments inline in the draft |
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| 14:54.27 | teepee` | kblin: I thought the answer is "yes and no"? |
| 14:54.41 | teepee` | I understood the final version will be visible to orgs only after the deadline? |
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| 15:32.59 | Zephman | Hi |
| 15:33.21 | kblin | teepee`: oh? |
| 15:33.50 | kblin | teepee`: possibly. there is a certain logic to that that'll make it more useful to use drafts |
| 15:35.44 | Zephman | I don't understand how slots work. How do they calculate max slots for each organisation? |
| 15:36.17 | kblin | Zephman: they have a fixed budget. that gives the total # of slots |
| 15:36.31 | kblin | Zephman: each org asks for a number of slots |
| 15:37.13 | Zephman | Ah, I see. Thank you kblin. |
| 15:38.02 | kblin | in previous years orgs could specify two numbers, but I think this year is going to be a little difference |
| 15:38.05 | kblin | *different |
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| 16:07.46 | aayush | heyy could somebody please tell me do we submit the proposal to the concerned organization or is there some other procedure to send it to google? |
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| 16:15.14 | Niharika | aayush: You have to submit it on the GSoC website too. At least a link to the proposal. |
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| 16:17.57 | aayush | ohkay. Thank you. |
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| 16:50.40 | Guest93231 | hello, I have uploaded my proof of enrollment, but it is still pending. Is it just me or are others still waiting for a review? |
| 16:51.26 | gevaerts | Guest93231: you shouldn't be *waiting* for a review |
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| 16:52.04 | gevaerts | Reviewing those documents will get done, but you can work on your proposal in parallel |
| 16:53.12 | Guest93231 | what if it is still pending after the deadline? Would I be able to upload a new document in case it gets rejected? |
| 16:53.40 | gevaerts | If there's a problem with the documents, you'll be notified and you'll get enough time to fix it |
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| 16:54.05 | gevaerts | But this is *not* preventing you from submitting a proposal |
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| 17:02.12 | Pratik151 | hi, we will be able to update our proposal after deadline? |
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| 17:07.30 | meflin | in past years only if the org allowed it |
| 17:07.41 | meflin | it might be different this year |
| 17:12.03 | gevaerts | I believe it's not allowed this year |
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| 17:23.58 | kremlin | i wonder why |
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| 17:29.40 | rootlerner | Please help how to get into Gsoc with no open source development experience |
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| 17:30.16 | meflin | !studentguide |
| 17:30.16 | gsocbot | meflin: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 17:30.28 | meflin | find and org you find intersting and get involved |
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| 17:41.12 | rootlerner | Please help should i wait this year and get some open source development experience and then apply for Gsoc next year or should i try this time with all my small projects works |
| 17:42.09 | blast007 | rootlerner: did you look at the student guide? |
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| 17:45.09 | rootlerner | yes i did i was asking this with a learning perspective based on personnel experience |
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| 17:45.29 | terri | rootlerner: http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/am-i-good-enough/ <-- but the short answer is if you can write some code, it's worth applying, just make sure you find a project that works well with your skills. |
| 17:46.33 | terri | rootlerner: many, probably most students have no open source experience or very very little when they start applying for gsoc. And you'e got a few weeks before decisions are made, so ther'es plenty of time to get *some* experience if you're worried. :) |
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| 17:50.25 | rootlerner | terri ,blast007 ,meflin thanks for your time and help |
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| 18:05.56 | rio_c_r | hi... |
| 18:07.07 | rio_c_r | can we work in team for a project? |
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| 18:07.35 | meflin | no |
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| 18:19.58 | lordkryss | can i ask a probably stupid question? how "hard" is it to get accepted? i think i am a fairly good at programming but i have no experience in the fields that are needed from the projects |
| 18:20.23 | meflin | it all depends on you |
| 18:20.26 | meflin | !odds |
| 18:20.26 | gsocbot | meflin: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 18:20.49 | meflin | no time to wast getting involved in something fun and writing a good proposal |
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| 18:22.09 | lordkryss | it looks like you are well prepared to answer all of these questions ahah |
| 18:22.27 | meflin | its a common question |
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| 20:12.01 | jasvir | hi all. I wanted to ask about student status verification documentation. I have gone through the examples given here: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment#accepted_documents |
| 20:12.29 | jasvir | I just want to confirm that can I submit http://pasteboard.co/2mGz00Pg.png as a proof or not |
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| 20:14.52 | meflin | read the doc again |
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| 20:21.03 | terri | jasvir_: just submit what you think is correct, they'll let you know and give you time to fix it if they need anything else. Spend the time working on your application rather than owrrying about it. :) |
| 20:22.06 | denix56 | it is a funny feeling when you try to fix the problem in the part of code two days and then you understand that this part is needlessness |
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| 20:24.36 | jasvir | terri: ok. Thanks :) |
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| 20:24.49 | terri | jasvir: also, we know you didn't read the instructions now, because they say "If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site." |
| 20:25.03 | terri | so you might wnat to read them again! you may have missed other important stuff! |
| 20:28.34 | jasvir | terri: yeah I missed that part :P |
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| 22:16.21 | MiguelQ | hello |
| 22:16.30 | teepee | hi! |
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| 22:16.45 | MiguelQ | Is there anyone who would be able to help me wiht something |
| 22:17.27 | teepee | we could find out, if you just ask that question :) |
| 22:18.05 | MiguelQ | I wanted to attend GSoC but the things is, i have classes and exams up until the end of june, and since the coding starts in May i dont know if it would be right to apply |
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| 22:18.52 | teepee | hmm, that's a lot of overlap. is that all day long, or just an exam here and there and not full time preparation? |
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| 22:19.24 | MiguelQ | Well I have classes but the exams are spaced out |
| 22:20.16 | MiguelQ | I was wondering what sort of workload is there in such early stages of the dev process for GSoC |
| 22:20.19 | teepee | in general gsoc is supposed to be similar to a full time job time-wise - so about 40 hours a week |
| 22:20.43 | MiguelQ | Hmm, ok |
| 22:20.58 | teepee | there's always options to discuss with the project you are working with, but just having like 20 hours is not going to work well |
| 22:22.23 | MiguelQ | Because I'd really like to apply but I wouldn't like to do it if I was no able to commit to it |
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| 22:23.11 | MiguelQ | What's the worst case scenario in your opinon? |
| 22:25.01 | teepee | I guess that depends a lot on the view point, as mentor it's not very satisfying if you spend lots of time helping a student which then just drops out and does not respond anymore due to other stuff |
| 22:26.14 | terri | sometimes students can manage to do a bunch of work during the bonding period to offset the time spent on their last classes, but it depends on your project and mentors a lot. |
| 22:26.22 | MiguelQ | That's what I thought |
| 22:27.05 | MiguelQ | I know that will and hard work and commitement wouldn't be a problem |
| 22:27.19 | MiguelQ | I'm just not sure whether it would be enough |
| 22:27.53 | teepee | well, then I'd say just be open with the fact that you have the exams and discuss that with the org you want to apply to |
| 22:28.19 | MiguelQ | Ok, thanks :) |
| 22:28.49 | MiguelQ | Because I find that this a really great opportunity and that I wouldn't want to miss out on it |
| 22:28.59 | teepee | indeed |
| 22:29.18 | MiguelQ | Have you ever been on one of this GSoC's as a student? |
| 22:29.49 | teepee | was student before gsoc started |
| 22:30.33 | teepee | I've been mentor for two years now, and that was an interesting time :) |
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| 22:32.09 | MiguelQ | Oh ok and how would you feel like if you were working with someone in my situation, give all the things I've mentioned before? |
| 22:32.39 | MiguelQ | I'm just really trying to understand if it would be too much of a gamble to attempt such thing |
| 22:37.30 | teepee | well, I'd expect a plan how you would make up for the time you need for the exams |
| 22:38.24 | teepee | which most importantly also would need to be realistic. there's no point in promising 80 hours work a week - that not sustainable or healthy |
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| 22:38.42 | MiguelQ | Hmm ok, I think I going to put a little moe thought into it and then mkae my decisions |
| 22:38.47 | MiguelQ | *more |
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| 22:39.19 | dillonko | if I am a student that never graduated how can I be apart of the summer of code |
| 22:39.35 | dillonko | I do know programming in python and java |
| 22:39.59 | Calinou | you participate in GSoC while you are at university |
| 22:40.15 | dillonko | that sucks for me |
| 22:40.23 | dillonko | ok |
| 22:40.29 | Calinou | it happens in the summer, so it typically lands in holidays |
| 22:40.40 | Calinou | but you must be enrolled in a recognized university as of April 22 2016 |
| 22:40.56 | dillonko | on to the next challenge in life |
| 22:41.15 | dillonko | i really want to improve my skills |
| 22:41.25 | dillonko | thanks for letting me know |
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| 23:33.14 | Zephman | Is it honestly too late to try and find organisations and apply for GSoC? Havn't most students already spoken to organisations and crated proposals? |
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| 23:35.31 | wc1997 | Hey guys my proof of enrollment verification says it will be approved after the 25th. Isn't that the day proposals are due? |
| 23:35.35 | wc1997 | "Your Proof of Enrollment has been uploaded and will be reviewed after March 25, 2016. " |
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| 23:37.38 | gevaerts | wc1997: yes, is that a problem? |
| 23:38.06 | olly | wc1997: you can submit a proposal before it's approved |
| 23:38.19 | olly | you just need to have submitted the proof to submit a proposal |
| 23:38.20 | wc1997 | OOO ok thank you! I didn't know that |
| 23:38.36 | olly | Zephman: stop worrying it's too late, just get on and do it |
| 23:38.42 | olly | or it will be too late |
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| 23:46.26 | mithro | Yay, my post is up http://google-opensource.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/something-different-code-up-hardware-in.html?m=1 |
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| 23:56.37 | valorie | Zephman: today is the first day of teh rest of your life |
| 23:56.50 | valorie | in KDE, we're still getting new students |
| 23:57.11 | valorie | Just Do It (tm) |
| 23:59.04 | Zephman | valorie: thanks for the motivation. I just don't really feel like I have any useful knowledge to tackle most projects that I've seen. |
