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| 03:36.17 | shaif | hi what is the difference bteween draft and final proposal?? |
| 03:37.03 | olly | shaif: orgs can see the draft and comment on it |
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| 03:37.13 | olly | they can't see the final one until after the deadline |
| 03:40.31 | shaif | Is it necessary to send draft link or they will see it themselves? |
| 03:41.36 | olly | we can see proposals if we look at the dashboard on the website |
| 03:41.43 | olly | there's no email notification, so it' |
| 03:41.57 | olly | so it's probably worth letting the mentors know |
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| 03:43.06 | shaif | And another question when do orgs generally request slots?? |
| 03:44.06 | olly | after the student application deadline |
| 03:44.24 | olly | we don't know how many we want until all the proposals are in |
| 03:45.18 | shaif | olly: thanks a lot.. |
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| 04:37.43 | thabraze | Hello GSoC, |
| 04:37.58 | thabraze | I'm willing to organize a GSoC information session in my college |
| 04:39.45 | thabraze | How do I contact GSoC informing them about the session?! As it is mentioned in the website, to give an advance notice of 4 - 6 weeks. |
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| 06:53.55 | sandarumk | I have a question about the eligibility criteria. The student states that he already has his acceptance for the degree next year. Is the student eligible to participate |
| 06:54.18 | sandarumk | The rule is "You must be a full or part-time student at an accredited university (or have been accepted as of April 22, 2016)" |
| 06:56.41 | tbr | no |
| 06:57.08 | tbr | he must be studying at that point in time already (or still) |
| 06:57.22 | tbr | hmmm, actually |
| 06:57.27 | tbr | it says "accepted" |
| 06:57.30 | tbr | forget what I said |
| 06:57.36 | tbr | apparently has no clue |
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| 06:58.50 | sandarumk | Yeah that is why I was wondering. It says "accepted" |
| 06:59.56 | sandarumk | on a side note in the https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment#accepted_documents it says that A letter from your college or university stating that you have been accepted to attend the school for the next semester/grading period starting on or before September 30, 2016. |
| 07:00.25 | sandarumk | may be that is what the "accepted" means |
| 07:02.57 | tbr | sounds like it |
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| 13:52.22 | freecoder | hey is it allowed to submit multiple proposals for the *same* organization? |
| 13:52.31 | tbr | yes |
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| 16:09.57 | markedsea | Oh. Before the deadline, organization mentors can opt to review and ask for more detail, and you can continually modify your proposal? |
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| 18:59.57 | ibestvina | Hi! Is anyone else having problems with final proposal uploads? I select my document, click Upload, upload form closes, but nothing happens. |
| 19:00.15 | meflin | try chrome |
| 19:00.29 | ibestvina | I did, both firefox and chrome do the same thing |
| 19:00.29 | Calinou | yes, Firefox uploads seem to be broken |
| 19:01.26 | ibestvina | The upload button turns to grey for a few seconds, saying "Saving", and then just turns back to the purple Upload button |
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| 19:20.26 | olly | ibestvina: it'll probably work if you create a new firefox profile and use that to upload |
| 19:20.53 | olly | firefox unhelpfully remembers mime types it's seen in downloads of an extension and reuses them for uploads |
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| 19:25.31 | ibestvina | tried it, neither chrome, firefox, nor IE work |
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| 19:59.53 | liquiddeer | question: I'm a high school student and I hvae been accepted to college, but am not technically enrolled. Can I still apply? |
| 20:00.10 | kvps | yes |
| 20:00.13 | kvps | why not |
| 20:01.15 | liquiddeer | idk it says u will need to provide proof of enrollment to an accredited educational institution and i wont be enrolled by april 22 |
| 20:01.29 | kvps | that u have to do |
| 20:01.29 | markedsea | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment#accepted_documents |
| 20:01.44 | markedsea | Acceptance letter works. |
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| 20:02.06 | kvps | but you have to be 18+ |
| 20:02.31 | liquiddeer | oh. cool. didnt see that. ok thanks |
| 20:02.54 | thegsocer | hey ,I sent my proposal 11 days ago to my mentor and got feedback 4-5 times |
| 20:03.10 | thegsocer | where does that place my selection chance?? |
| 20:03.59 | markedsea | Depends on if the organization chooses you. |
| 20:04.10 | markedsea | I mean, they're very helpful with their feedback. |
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| 20:04.31 | kvps | what feedback they gave to u |
| 20:04.45 | thegsocer | I got a lot of feedback , a mail every couple of days |
| 20:05.18 | kvps | so what did they tell u about your proposal |
| 20:05.24 | thegsocer | everything alright looking good each time with some corrections I had to improve upon |
| 20:05.44 | markedsea | Well, consider the nature of the feedback. What exactly do they look at? Is the feedback becoming more specific about how your proposal should be shaped? If it's progressing to something better each time, then you shouldn't worry. |
| 20:05.44 | kvps | ok |
| 20:05.56 | thegsocer | nothing explicit but " looks good " |
| 20:06.14 | thegsocer | naa the feeback is about the implemention part |
| 20:06.15 | kvps | is this your first time for gsoc |
| 20:06.42 | thegsocer | ltold me to think things i missed first time yes my 1st time |
| 20:06.55 | kvps | okzz |
| 20:07.33 | thegsocer | i m kinda worried about my selection ,I think it's natural |
| 20:07.48 | kvps | ya |
| 20:08.05 | kvps | so, you are a undergraduate |
| 20:08.07 | markedsea | If it's a good proposal and you really want to work on it, GSoC doesn't have to be the main motivator. You can just do it to learn if you're not accepted. |
| 20:08.14 | olly | if you're expecting someone to say you have a 91.4% chance of selection, that's not an answer anyone can realistically give |
| 20:08.18 | thegsocer | how much feedback is considered good ?? |
| 20:08.37 | olly | but if you're engaging with the org and they're giving you feedback and you're responding, that's a good sign |
| 20:08.49 | olly | thegsocer: that depends a lot on the org |
| 20:08.55 | olly | some don't give any apparently |
| 20:08.58 | thegsocer | obviously not a number but I expect "good going kinda " answer |
| 20:09.10 | markedsea | I mean, this is a general channel for GSoC anyhow. |
| 20:09.29 | thegsocer | exactly I thought it was a good sign |
| 20:09.30 | markedsea | The organization/mentors would have a better sense of your particular chance. All we can do is give a ballpark. |
| 20:09.32 | gevaerts | Also, how much feedback you get might well depend on how much improvement your proposal needs |
| 20:09.39 | thegsocer | yup undegraduate |
| 20:09.46 | thegsocer | 2nd year in fact |
| 20:10.25 | kvps | great , even i am bit worried about my proposal |
| 20:10.31 | thegsocer | gevaerts: that is what I thought ,As of now I know about project more than anyone |
| 20:10.50 | thegsocer | I have looked at it from a lot of perspectives |
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| 20:11.31 | kvps | so can you tell me that , my proposal should consist of theory of the project only |
| 20:11.45 | kvps | or some written code make a difference |
| 20:12.11 | thegsocer | I sent my metor a 12 page proposal with 5 diagrams made by me 12 days ago,What do you make out of that?? |
| 20:13.11 | thegsocer | make the techniques u are using very easy to understand ,employ diagrams and flowcharts like the one used in secondary grades kvps |
| 20:13.15 | markedsea | Uh. You're very dedicated. I wish you the best of luck. |
| 20:13.38 | thegsocer | just applying to this one project |
| 20:13.47 | thegsocer | thanks markedsea |
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| 20:15.45 | kvps | can we contact any organization after gsoc also |
| 20:16.10 | kvps | for the development of the project |
| 20:16.43 | thegsocer | yeah I will be going ahead with my project even if not selected though less vigourously but will not let my 25 days plan go to waste |
| 20:17.01 | thegsocer | u can and u should |
| 20:17.49 | kvps | hmm |
| 20:19.04 | olly | kvps: most open source orgs welcome new contributors |
| 20:19.16 | olly | gsoc just provides a formal structure for it |
| 20:19.27 | olly | and the stipends so that students can devote a summer to it |
| 20:19.51 | olly | or a winter, depending on hemisphere |
| 20:20.08 | kvps | ok |
| 20:20.51 | thegsocer | I kinda need that stipend partially since I will be kinda homeless this summer ,that is why the worry |
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| 20:21.25 | kvps | don't worry every thing will be good |
| 20:21.56 | thegsocer | i hope so |
| 20:22.40 | kvps | if there is will there is a way,don't worry just code |
| 20:23.36 | thegsocer | I learnt so even while writing my proposal let alone code |
| 20:23.53 | thegsocer | now I know how a software is built from scratch |
| 20:24.10 | kvps | coool |
| 20:25.39 | kvps | see u soon, can mail me at snahilindoria8@gmail.com, |
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| 21:15.30 | mvlabat_ | Hello to everybody! I have a question about proposals... Can I anyhow specify my priority for my proposals? For instance, if I have a chance to enter KDE's project, I don't want to be accidentally accepted to another |
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| 21:16.07 | meflin | you can point out your preferences but its not your call |
| 21:18.41 | lordkryss | so if we get accepted by 2 projects, it's up to them to chose which one we will do? |
| 21:18.50 | meflin | yes |
| 21:19.05 | meflin | those projects may or may not ask the student |
| 21:19.16 | mvlabat_ | I have an option just not to send proposal where I don't want to participate very much, but I'm also afraid being accepted not to the "right" project |
| 21:19.18 | meflin | only apply to a project you want to do |
| 21:19.29 | olly | the way it works this year is that the first org to accept you gets priority |
| 21:19.37 | mvlabat_ | and just being not accepted |
| 21:19.45 | olly | if another org tries to then select you, they get told the other org has and can contact them |
| 21:20.05 | olly | we aren't supposed to discuss acceptance with students, so if you have a preference make it clear up front |
| 21:20.25 | olly | as we can't really ask you as that would be revealling you're likely to be accepted |
| 21:21.12 | mvlabat_ | Can an organization accept anybody before the proposal deadline? |
| 21:21.13 | olly | and as meflin says, only apply for projects you want to do |
| 21:21.19 | olly | no |
| 21:21.29 | olly | not until we have the slots allocated |
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| 21:21.51 | olly | and we don't know how many slots we'll want to ask for until we've seen all the proposals |
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| 21:22.50 | mvlabat_ | Can an organization assign more than one student to the same idea? |
| 21:23.17 | meflin | yea but not as a team |
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| 21:23.26 | meflin | very rare case |
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| 21:24.34 | mvlabat_ | If all of them succeed, will everyone receive the prize? |
| 21:25.03 | meflin | each student is juged individualy |
| 21:25.13 | mvlabat_ | very rare case - as a team? |
| 21:25.26 | meflin | there is never a case of a team |
| 21:25.30 | meflin | its forbiden |
| 21:26.19 | mvlabat_ | So it's a rare case just to have several students working on the same idea. Right? |
| 21:26.29 | meflin | yes |
| 21:27.01 | mvlabat_ | okay. Thanks for your answers, meflin and olly. :) |
| 21:27.07 | olly | there's no "prize" in gsoc |
| 21:27.57 | mvlabat_ | I expressed it wrong) |
| 21:28.17 | mvlabat_ | Stipend? |
| 21:28.20 | olly | yes |
| 21:28.28 | mvlabat_ | alright) |
| 21:28.33 | olly | you passing the midterm and final isn't dependent on other students failing to |
| 21:28.39 | olly | so it's not a competition |
| 21:29.00 | mvlabat_ | yea, I got that |
| 21:29.03 | mvlabat_ | Thanks |
| 21:30.23 | mvlabat_ | Good luck to everyone ) (Not to everyone really, I want to pass too :D) Bye bye =)) |
| 21:30.30 | olly | the project ideas are just ideas - sometimes an org has a fairly fixed idea of what needs doing, but often they are quite nebulous or open ended. So two students may take an idea in different directions, such that their projects have little overlap, and it's quite feasible to accept both then |
| 21:31.06 | olly | or the idea might be "support a new $X" and students may pick different values of X |
| 21:31.44 | mvlabat_ | That's clearer now, thanks |
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| 21:48.19 | ibestvina | Please help: I am unable to submit my final proposal - after I select the document and click "Upload", the upload form closes, the button changes to gray with "Saving..." written on it. After a few seconds, it just turns back to the purple "Upload" button as it was before. I've tried it in Chrome, Firefox and IE, and in all three browsers it is the same. |
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| 21:55.18 | valorie | !support | ibestvina |
| 21:55.19 | gsocbot | ibestvina: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 21:55.33 | valorie | it seems to be a bug hitting a few people |
| 21:55.48 | jonax | Hi #gsoc. Looking at the draft proposal upload page: Who will my draft link be shared with? Only with potential mentors? Is it a good idea to put personal information that I would like to keep private in my draft proposal (e.g. a personal phone number for my mentor)? |
| 21:55.55 | jmatos | ibestvina: do a sanity check on the format and size of the document you're trying to upload. |
| 21:55.56 | jmatos | (generic advice, I don't have any insight on this particular situation) |
| 21:56.07 | ibestvina | I've managed to upload it now from a different computer |
| 21:56.21 | ibestvina | same file, only different pc |
| 21:56.21 | valorie | jonax: only with potential mentors and the org admins |
| 21:56.34 | ibestvina | I have no idea what could be the problem |
| 21:57.00 | jonax | valorie: And they're not supposed to share it on public org channels, are they? |
| 21:57.10 | valorie | Just say that your will supply your mentor(s) with your phone number |
| 21:57.21 | valorie | jonax: no reason to do that, right |
| 21:57.39 | valorie | each mentor & admin has their own dashboard in the webapp |
| 21:58.26 | valorie | in KDE, we've asked students not to share their links in channels because a few students doing that have been hit by spam |
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| 22:04.42 | jmatos | Is it normal for participating students to work on their GSOC projects whilst preparing for their finals? |
| 22:04.56 | jmatos | The my semester's evaluation period overlaps with GSOC's midterm evaluations. |
| 22:05.06 | jmatos | s/The// |
| 22:06.45 | jonax | It's the same for me and I noted that in my proposal timeline. |
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| 22:09.43 | valorie | jmatos: just be upfront about any overlaps like that, and how you plan to work around them |
| 22:10.11 | valorie | many students begin early, to get around such hurdles |
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| 22:30.12 | jmatos | jonax, valorie: thank you. I'm still weighing whether I should apply at all, considering this overlap and my status as a full-time student. |
| 22:31.07 | valorie | well, it is a full-time job, so that is worth considering for sure |
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