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| 04:42.15 | Tahir | !numapps |
| 04:42.15 | gsocbot | Tahir: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 04:43.24 | Riddler | Can anybody help ? |
| 04:43.50 | Riddler | It says i am not registered :/ |
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| 05:36.08 | Raul | Hii.. |
| 05:36.22 | cokovskis | Hi. |
| 05:36.37 | Raul | I have submitted my final proposal before the deadline |
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| 05:37.20 | Raul | but as in the proof of enrolment column I just say the date 22nd April so I thought i will do it later |
| 05:37.25 | gaurav_ | hey |
| 05:37.27 | gaurav_ | need help |
| 05:37.40 | Raul | now is there any way so that I can upload or mail my proof of enrolment |
| 05:38.08 | gaurav_ | i forget to upload the |
| 05:38.18 | gaurav_ | proof enrollment |
| 05:38.20 | gaurav_ | now what |
| 05:38.26 | gaurav_ | is m out of this |
| 05:38.36 | cokovskis | I don't think you can do anything about it. |
| 05:38.49 | cokovskis | The deadlines were quite clear. |
| 05:38.53 | gaurav_ | so what to do now |
| 05:38.58 | atul | Raul: Is the upload button working ? |
| 05:39.07 | gaurav_ | no not working |
| 05:39.08 | Raul | can we mail it to anyone now |
| 05:39.52 | atul | It worked up to little later after the deadline |
| 05:39.59 | atul | they may have fixed |
| 05:40.04 | Raul | @gaurav.. I just say the date 22nd April |
| 05:40.17 | Raul | *saw |
| 05:40.28 | cokovskis | You didn't pay attention. |
| 05:40.36 | Raul | can we mail the proof of enrolment directly to the mentors now..?? |
| 05:41.02 | atul | mentors have nothing to do with proof of enrolment |
| 05:41.13 | gaurav_ | but it showing a msg ... the deadline is passed you've not submitted any proposal |
| 05:41.26 | cokovskis | 22 April is when accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2016 site. |
| 05:41.42 | Raul | In my case it says you have successfully uploaded the proposal |
| 05:42.08 | atul | gaurav_: because you didn't uploaded the document(maybe) |
| 05:42.09 | gaurav_ | but not in my |
| 05:42.14 | QunWei | The proposal was choose by mentor or organization? |
| 05:42.18 | gaurav_ | yeah i forget |
| 05:42.26 | gaurav_ | so what should i do now |
| 05:42.27 | cokovskis | As far as I know, the only thing that matters to the mentors is the project proposal. |
| 05:42.56 | Raul | gaurav have you uploaded the proof of enrolment.? |
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| 05:43.06 | atul | QunWei: A team of people from org evaluate( AFAIK) |
| 05:43.15 | cokovskis | gaurav_: This is your final reminder to be sure you have submitted BOTH your Final PDF Proposal and your Proof of Enrollment before March 25th at 19:00 UTC. Failure to do so means that your proposal will not be be considered for GSoC 2016. |
| 05:43.30 | cokovskis | As you can see, you can't do anything right now. |
| 05:43.53 | cokovskis | Didn't you receive this in your mailbox? |
| 05:44.17 | atul | Remainder emails were sent ... |
| 05:44.26 | cokovskis | Yes. |
| 05:44.41 | gaurav_ | no i dont submitted the proof |
| 05:45.22 | gaurav_ | i just forget it |
| 05:45.22 | gaurav_ | is there any other way |
| 05:45.45 | atul | gaurav_: I don't think there's a chance left ( try to upload by the button if it works) |
| 05:46.00 | Raul | no the button is inactive now |
| 05:46.01 | atul | otherwise , no way |
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| 05:46.38 | gaurav_ | ??? |
| 05:46.56 | cokovskis | gaurav_: No, there is no other way. |
| 05:47.05 | cokovskis | You should have paid attention. |
| 05:47.16 | gaurav_ | okay thank you . . . that means i am out of this already |
| 05:47.43 | cokovskis | Yes. |
| 05:48.01 | gaurav_ | yeah i just forget about it . . working on my project all day i think thats why |
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| 05:55.38 | valorie | gaurav_: you can still work in your chosen org |
| 05:55.51 | valorie | work in FOSS is always worthwhile |
| 05:56.31 | gaurav_ | okay thanku @valorie |
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| 05:57.12 | markedsea | So, what happens during the tenuous month wait? |
| 05:57.17 | ankita_ | !numapps |
| 05:57.18 | gsocbot | ankita_: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 05:57.27 | Raul | if i forgot to upload the proof of enrolment, can the mentor still see my proposal |
| 05:57.50 | valorie | markedsea: hopefully, you continue to bond with your org, fix bugs, etc. |
| 05:58.11 | valorie | as I said, work in FOSS is always worthwhile |
| 05:58.17 | markedsea | That's a given. I was curious more so on Google's end; I'm not sure if they mentioned what happens on the site. |
| 05:58.20 | atul | Raul: I guess NO |
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| 05:58.45 | valorie | markedsea: now begins some hard work for us admins and mentors |
| 05:59.13 | valorie | we must read, evaluate and rank all those proposals, and choose which students we want to request slots for |
| 05:59.27 | valorie | huge task |
| 05:59.42 | valorie | for instance, KDE got 120 proposals! |
| 05:59.56 | cokovskis | valorie: Are you from the KDE project? |
| 06:00.00 | markedsea | Yep, I heard this about requesting slots. The organizations' mentors have to decide which proposals will be sent off to Google or something? |
| 06:00.04 | valorie | one of the admins, yes |
| 06:00.10 | valorie | yes |
| 06:00.20 | valorie | of course we can't mentor 120 students |
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| 06:00.40 | valorie | so we must decide what is worth our work and attention |
| 06:01.50 | cokovskis | I think that Wine got 7 (probably including mine) proposals for GSoC. |
| 06:02.07 | markedsea | Alright. Let's say that 20% of those students are considered worth the work. Those proposals are then sent off to Google, and Google has a final decision on which proposals are accepted? |
| 06:02.24 | olly | google don't generally look at the proposals |
| 06:02.32 | olly | they just tell each org how many they can take |
| 06:02.36 | markedsea | Aah, okay. |
| 06:02.38 | olly | and the org pick which |
| 06:03.08 | valorie | they base how much they trust each org by how well previous students were treated |
| 06:03.08 | markedsea | And they give the organizations a month to decide? |
| 06:03.09 | cokovskis | I think that if your proof of enrollment is okay, you get accepted by Google only if the organization you applied for forwards you. |
| 06:03.38 | markedsea | Aah, hence the two evaluations. |
| 06:03.41 | valorie | cokovskis: right, it would be silly to spend time verifying IDs for people who will not be chosen |
| 06:04.17 | valorie | if someone does not check out, none of the orgs will be able to choose them |
| 06:05.53 | cokovskis | valorie: Do you happen to know how the verification process works? |
| 06:06.02 | cokovskis | Do they contact our faculties? |
| 06:06.05 | valorie | no, orgs don't deal with that |
| 06:06.10 | valorie | no idea |
| 06:06.57 | olly | google have this big facility with an infinite number of monkeys |
| 06:07.01 | cokovskis | valorie: How many students were accepted for KDE in last year's GSoC? |
| 06:07.22 | bshah | olly: lol |
| 06:07.31 | valorie | hmmm -- let me check |
| 06:07.32 | bshah | cokovskis: 39 AFAIK |
| 06:07.57 | markedsea | Wow, that's still a lot of students. |
| 06:08.13 | valorie | https://dot.kde.org/kde-and-google-summer-code-2015-wrapup |
| 06:08.52 | valorie | we've done over 50 before, but that is just exhausting for the mentors and admins both |
| 06:09.38 | bshah | this time we have gotten 121 including 3 spam or offtopic proposals |
| 06:09.52 | bshah | lets see how many slots we will need |
| 06:09.53 | bshah | :D |
| 06:09.59 | markedsea | 3 down, 118 to go! :P |
| 06:10.08 | cokovskis | This is my first time, hope everything goes well. |
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| 06:10.32 | olly | bshah: wow, only 3? |
| 06:10.40 | bshah | olly: yep |
| 06:10.41 | valorie | so far |
| 06:10.44 | valorie | lol |
| 06:10.45 | olly | i wonder if your definition of spam is tighter than mine |
| 06:10.51 | bshah | no this is final count.. |
| 06:11.09 | valorie | that's excellent then |
| 06:11.35 | bshah | olly: well.. we have got some proposals which you will say no in first go... but they are at least on topic |
| 06:11.45 | gsoc236 | Anybody got stats on the number of applications this year and stuff like that? |
| 06:11.51 | bshah | !stats |
| 06:11.51 | gsocbot | bshah: I have 4 registered users with 4 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 06:11.56 | gsoc236 | !stats |
| 06:11.56 | gsocbot | gsoc236: I have 4 registered users with 4 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 06:11.58 | bshah | !numapps |
| 06:11.58 | gsocbot | bshah: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 06:12.05 | olly | ah ok, I include "has done esentially no work investigating idea" as spam |
| 06:12.32 | bshah | olly: we've got that too.... obviously.. |
| 06:12.35 | olly | gsoc236: sttaylor said it was a record number, and would publish stats next week |
| 06:13.08 | gsoc236 | @olly thanks! :) |
| 06:13.33 | bshah | olly: just out of curiosity which org you handle? |
| 06:13.41 | olly | bshah: xapian |
| 06:13.56 | bshah | oh.. :-D |
| 06:14.04 | bshah | you know in KDE we have user of it.. ;) |
| 06:14.06 | bshah | baloo |
| 06:14.11 | olly | i do indeed |
| 06:14.25 | gsoc236 | Man, I can't wait for April 22! |
| 06:14.47 | bshah | gsoc236: get time machine.. :p |
| 06:15.06 | bshah | unless of course Doctor who is your friend |
| 06:15.29 | valorie | gsoc236: don't wait! |
| 06:15.33 | valorie | fix bugs |
| 06:15.36 | valorie | fix documentation |
| 06:15.47 | valorie | you will make invaluable friends |
| 06:16.20 | gsoc236 | I'll anyway have to wait for Game of Thrones till Apr 24. Might as well wait for this :) |
| 06:16.28 | gsoc236 | Oh and I'll definitely be contributing :) |
| 06:16.38 | valorie | glad to hear it |
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| 06:18.38 | olly | bshah: ok, by a stricter spam definition we have 1 or 2 out of 31 |
| 06:18.53 | bshah | :D |
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| 06:19.07 | bshah | I wonder if it is similar spam we have got.. |
| 06:19.27 | cokovskis | I sense that you guys will get the work done a lot earlier than the 22nd of April. |
| 06:19.59 | olly | (a price comparison search engine is sort of on topic I guess) |
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| 06:20.56 | bshah | that works.. given by your org. |
| 06:20.56 | bshah | but.. we've got two proposal for building something like facebook |
| 06:20.56 | bshah | xD |
| 06:21.07 | valorie | well, the mentors have to fight it out -- no matter how good a proposal is, if nobody is inspired to mentor it, we can't do it |
| 06:21.14 | olly | cokovskis: some of the decisions are very easy, but they get harder |
| 06:21.54 | olly | bshah: it's hard to tell for sure, as the proposal detail was just the abstract |
| 06:22.04 | valorie | what if you have a fantastic proposal from a student whom you don't know, vs an OK one, from a student who has been working hard in the past few weeks? |
| 06:22.49 | valorie | we have to decide where to spend our energy, and we want to spend it on students who will stick around to support their code |
| 06:24.20 | valorie | wants a crystal ball that *works* |
| 06:24.25 | cokovskis | I haven't been previously involved in any open-source projects and I am curious, how skilled are the developers which maintain certain projects? |
| 06:24.49 | valorie | some are the smartest people I've ever met |
| 06:25.17 | valorie | all are not only skilled, but interested in being better |
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| 06:30.06 | valorie | cokovskis: by the way, that is true all over FOSS projects, not just KDE |
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| 06:31.28 | markedsea | I think it's the nature of FOSS projects, talent doesn't gather because of the high pay, but because of a genuine interest in the project and a desire to make something better. |
| 06:31.39 | valorie | exactly |
| 06:31.50 | valorie | love drives quality |
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| 06:47.37 | cokovskis | > because of the high pay |
| 06:47.39 | cokovskis | Nice one. |
| 06:49.12 | markedsea | Hm? |
| 06:49.43 | cokovskis | markedsea: [07:31] <markedsea> I think it's the nature of FOSS projects, talent doesn't gather because of the high pay |
| 06:50.23 | markedsea | I'm unsure of the remark. |
| 06:50.50 | cokovskis | The "high pay" part. |
| 06:51.08 | cokovskis | As far as I know, usually there is no pay at all in open-source projects. |
| 06:51.30 | olly | well, that's clearly not true |
| 06:51.34 | markedsea | As in, compared to other programming jobs, not just pertaining to open-source. |
| 06:51.43 | olly | a load of students are about to be paid for it as part of gsoc |
| 06:52.30 | markedsea | Apologies if that was unclear. |
| 06:53.10 | bshah | also.. well at my current job I get paid to work on opensource.. |
| 06:53.11 | cokovskis | olly: But GSoC doesn't take place through out the whole year. |
| 06:53.33 | cokovskis | throughout* |
| 06:53.49 | cokovskis | And only students can apply. |
| 06:54.14 | Raul | the proof of enrolment button is active |
| 06:54.26 | Raul | but when i upload the file is says field error |
| 06:54.59 | PulkoMandy | I did some paid work (donatin funded) for a free software project, outside of GSoC. But certainly the pay wasn't high in that particular case |
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| 06:55.11 | valorie | Raul: the deadline was many hours ago |
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| 06:55.20 | olly | Raul: the deadline for proof of enrollment was close to 12 hours ago |
| 06:55.29 | valorie | many people are paid to work on free software |
| 06:55.34 | Raul | ya i know but now suddenly its active |
| 06:55.48 | Raul | so i thought i can upload it now |
| 06:57.07 | valorie | obv. not |
| 06:57.45 | wasiq | valorie, how do they get paid to work on free software? |
| 06:58.24 | valorie | many governments and companies use free software |
| 06:58.42 | valorie | how do you think companies like Red Hat and Canonical keep going? |
| 06:58.51 | bshah | free software != free software |
| 06:58.51 | valorie | and good grief, Google..... |
| 06:59.01 | valorie | FOSS, then |
| 06:59.06 | valorie | libre |
| 06:59.16 | wasiq | bshah, mind = blown |
| 06:59.34 | valorie | the software itself might be free as in beer, but people pay for support, and development |
| 06:59.42 | PulkoMandy | wasiq: also, user donations to projects, when there is no company with enough resources to hire developers directly |
| 07:00.11 | cokovskis | wasiq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrcdhzr2qnk |
| 07:00.15 | wasiq | So, a career in open source is an option? |
| 07:00.22 | PulkoMandy | as part of my paid job, which mostly involves writing non-free software at the moment, I use a lot of free software as well, and when I make changes there, I take care to submit them back to the developers |
| 07:03.18 | wasiq | nice,I would never have imagined there were so many people committed to writing free code. |
| 07:05.40 | uajain | I guess there's no company exist that *does not* use open source code for their services given to client |
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| 07:39.13 | cokovskis | valorie: Are you here? |
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| 07:44.50 | valorie | yes |
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| 07:46.51 | cokovskis | Do you happen to know a site where I can explore popular open-source and/or free software projects? |
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| 07:47.07 | valorie | tell me what you are interested in? |
| 07:47.35 | M-aviraldg | Github :) |
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| 07:47.50 | valorie | github is not free software |
| 07:48.18 | M-aviraldg | Right, but you can explore open source software projects |
| 07:48.31 | cokovskis | M-aviraldg: GitHub is a bit too chaotic for me. |
| 07:48.38 | cokovskis | In that regard. |
| 07:48.40 | M-aviraldg | Chaotic? |
| 07:48.42 | valorie | that said, KDE does mirror our codebase there, but we don't accept pull requests there |
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| 07:49.18 | cokovskis | valorie: I am mainly interested in projects which use C and or C++, since that is what I know best. |
| 07:49.35 | valorie | cokovskis: what I meant was, do you love low-level coding? applications? |
| 07:49.35 | M-aviraldg | I've found Github's explore section is pretty good for discovering popular projects |
| 07:49.35 | cokovskis | I tried searching on GitHub, but I don't like the way the data is presented. |
| 07:49.37 | PulkoMandy | there is freecode and openhatch, I think |
| 07:49.40 | PulkoMandy | also openhub |
| 07:49.52 | valorie | gitlab is open |
| 07:50.01 | PulkoMandy | github is not designed to explore and discover the software, just host it |
| 07:50.03 | valorie | of course KDE hosts our own code |
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| 07:50.27 | cokovskis | PulkoMandy: Yes, that is why I've had a hard time there. |
| 07:50.35 | cokovskis | I want to explore and discover such projects. |
| 07:50.49 | cokovskis | I don't really have a clear idea of what I want to work on. |
| 07:50.50 | valorie | cokovskis: I started with my favorite application, Amarok |
| 07:51.07 | valorie | I'm not a coder, but a writer, so I pitched in on the user docs |
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| 07:51.20 | valorie | ended up writing a few books |
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| 07:52.37 | valorie | that's why I asked what you LOVE |
| 07:54.03 | cokovskis | I don't have a definitive answer to that question. |
| 07:54.41 | cokovskis | I would really want to see graphics drivers on Linux to work as good as on Windows, so maybe that. |
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| 07:56.45 | valorie | cokovskis: that is really important work |
| 07:57.35 | cokovskis | Yes, and I have no idea on how to get started. |
| 07:59.16 | valorie | cokovskis: perhaps begin to work on your favorite free driver? |
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| 08:00.33 | cokovskis | The free driver is far behind NVIDIA's driver for Linux and NVIDIA's driver for Linux is a bit behind their driver for Windows. |
| 08:01.03 | PulkoMandy | for Linux you can join the Nouveau project for nVidia drivers |
| 08:01.20 | PulkoMandy | alternatively, there are some other operating systems which need a driver for nVidia cards :) |
| 08:01.22 | valorie | cokovskis: https://paste.kde.org/p9pgnzw3w |
| 08:01.33 | PulkoMandy | (hint: I contribute to www.haiku-os.org) |
| 08:01.46 | valorie | what is available in kubuntu/debian |
| 08:04.35 | valorie | well played, PulkoMandy |
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| 08:04.38 | valorie | :-) |
| 08:05.08 | cokovskis | The thing I noticed is that new projects just keep popping up and the work is very spread. |
| 08:05.47 | cokovskis | I think that graphics drivers should be a high-priority since bringing gaming to Linux will obviously attract more users. |
| 08:07.21 | markedsea | What about Vulkan's API, then? |
| 08:07.51 | markedsea | I don't know of any Linux implementations, but it should be an interesting project to contribute to. |
| 08:10.02 | cokovskis | What's that? |
| 08:11.10 | kblin | morning folks |
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| 08:13.45 | markedsea | I believe it was touted as the next generation OpenGL. |
| 08:14.17 | markedsea | As I see it, it's a standard akin to DirectX 12z |
| 08:15.48 | kblin | hm, nice to see that the new webapp also sucks at remembering how many proposals I want displayed at a time |
| 08:16.06 | kblin | hint: All of them, not 10. never 10. who thought 10 was a good idea? |
| 08:16.16 | kblin | </rant> |
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| 08:20.26 | markedsea | Doesn't the web app transfer information about the applications using JSON? |
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| 08:34.26 | olly | kblin: already noted as very very annoying |
| 08:41.11 | kblin | markedsea: I assume it does, it's too sluggish for a server-side-generated page |
| 08:41.34 | kblin | that's the main reason I want it to display everything at once |
| 08:41.49 | kblin | that way I can open the page and go do something else while it's loading |
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| 08:49.32 | uajain | cokovskis: https://www.openhub.net/ check this out |
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| 08:53.24 | cokovskis | uajain: Thanks, but someone already recommended it to me. |
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| 09:03.41 | uajain | oh, I didnt see that |
| 09:04.29 | uajain | create a profile there. It keeps track of all your open source contributions especially if you are contributing to multiple projects |
| 09:08.40 | PulkoMandy | it looks like this (totally random deveopler profile): https://www.openhub.net/accounts/PulkoMandy |
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| 09:58.06 | superrcoop | hello |
| 09:59.05 | mshubhankar | Sir, I have made a huge mistake |
| 09:59.26 | mshubhankar | yesterday night i have uploaded the wrong pdf at the final proposal link |
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| 10:00.03 | mshubhankar | Instead of the proposal.pdf i have uploaded the proofofenrollment.pdf |
| 10:00.17 | superrcoop | how is the preferencing done in GSOC, is it that whoever registers first has higher preference that the ones who registered late or is that who ever submits a proposal first has higher preference ? |
| 10:00.36 | mshubhankar | Now sir i dont have the option to upload the right document |
| 10:00.42 | superrcoop | who u submitted to mshubankar ? |
| 10:00.46 | mshubhankar | Please help me sir |
| 10:01.10 | mshubhankar | the final proposal link sir , on my dashboard |
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| 10:01.46 | superrcoop | which organization u submitted to ? |
| 10:01.54 | PulkoMandy | it's too late if you missed the deadline, you can't make any changes now |
| 10:02.02 | mshubhankar | aimacode |
| 10:02.10 | AlexP11223 | superrcoop: it's not lottery, only proposal quality matters (+ contributions to org, etc.) |
| 10:02.30 | superrcoop | oh, your screwed mshubhankar |
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| 10:02.39 | mshubhankar | It was an honest mistake sir. |
| 10:02.47 | PulkoMandy | superrcoop: if you submit early, you have feedback from mentors and you can improve on your proposal according to that. If you submit in the last minute, you don't have time to makesuggested improvements. There is no other ranking done on submission order |
| 10:02.57 | superrcoop | contributions to organization ? ????? |
| 10:02.59 | mshubhankar | I have worked hard for this project and atleast i want to finally submit a proposal |
| 10:03.37 | mshubhankar | I understand sir.. but i only have the draft submitted |
| 10:03.49 | mshubhankar | not the final proposal |
| 10:04.15 | superrcoop | oh oh okay |
| 10:04.17 | mshubhankar | I had't uploaded the final proposal. I was saving it for the last . |
| 10:04.34 | PulkoMandy | you shouldn't have done that. now it's too late |
| 10:04.35 | mshubhankar | I wanted to make all the changes and then submit the final pdf |
| 10:04.40 | superrcoop | n idk what to tell ya mshubhankar, try again next year |
| 10:04.53 | mshubhankar | Can anything be done sir ?Please |
| 10:04.57 | superrcoop | mshubhankar: try again next year |
| 10:05.02 | superrcoop | mshubhankar idk |
| 10:05.07 | mshubhankar | Please sir |
| 10:05.13 | mshubhankar | i have made no changes |
| 10:05.23 | superrcoop | lol, im not a mentor.. im a student as well |
| 10:05.33 | M-aviraldg | Begging will not help, afaik they are very strict when it comes to deadlines. |
| 10:05.34 | mshubhankar | no sorry then |
| 10:05.56 | M-aviraldg | Which is why they recommend you upload several versions a while before the deadline. |
| 10:06.00 | mshubhankar | I understand. I have mailed to them the first thing in the morning |
| 10:06.06 | PulkoMandy | nothing can be done, deadlines in GSoC are strict |
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| 10:06.31 | mshubhankar | I have done the same to the draft but not in the final prposal |
| 10:06.36 | AlexP11223 | and they mentioned in e-mail that you should not wait for the last minute to upload the final pdf, it was possible to reupload before deadline |
| 10:07.03 | superrcoop | What are my chances of getting accepted after submitting a proposal ? |
| 10:07.20 | mshubhankar | Can anything be done ? Anything at all. |
| 10:07.23 | superrcoop | what do i do if i dont get accepted, just simple try again next year ? |
| 10:07.35 | superrcoop | mshubhankar: i honestly dont know. |
| 10:07.35 | M-aviraldg | superrcoop (IRC): yes |
| 10:07.49 | M-aviraldg | also, continue to contribute to the same org |
| 10:07.55 | AlexP11223 | !odds |
| 10:07.55 | gsocbot | AlexP11223: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 10:08.04 | mshubhankar | Thanks superrcoop |
| 10:08.09 | superrcoop | M-aviraldg: lol, sontribute how ? |
| 10:08.37 | PulkoMandy | submit patches, write documentation, help people on IRC channels and mailing lists |
| 10:08.38 | superrcoop | M-aviraldg: contribute* |
| 10:08.38 | M-aviraldg | They're OSS orgs, they can always do with more help |
| 10:08.44 | wasiq | superrcoop, offer to do projects not under gsoc, help solve bugs etc. |
| 10:09.17 | superrcoop | M-aviraldg: are you a mentor from buildmlearn ? |
| 10:09.27 | PulkoMandy | wasiq: well, unless there really was a shortage of slots, I don't think they would be ok with doing the project outside gsoc |
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| 10:09.45 | wasiq | M-aviraldg, whats OSS? |
| 10:09.48 | tbr | the experience is worth far more than the money anyway |
| 10:09.53 | M-aviraldg | open source software |
| 10:10.11 | superrcoop | wasiq: i believe oss is an organization |
| 10:10.23 | superrcoop | oh lool, i was wrong |
| 10:10.27 | M-aviraldg | PulkoMandy (IRC): don't see why that would be the case, most orgs would be 100% fine with receiving contributions outside GSoC |
| 10:10.33 | wasiq | google let me down.damn |
| 10:11.04 | M-aviraldg | superrcoop (IRC): no |
| 10:11.56 | PulkoMandy | M-aviraldg: I'm not sure about that, mentoring students takes a lot of efforts from the org (and mentors would usually be more efficient in writing the code themselves). It depends on the org, how many mentors they have, etc |
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| 10:12.21 | PulkoMandy | if an application from a student is rejected there usually are good reasons for that. But it is a different thing in each org, I guess |
| 10:14.00 | tbr | the overall number of students is limited, so some good roposals are bound to be rejected too |
| 10:15.18 | wasiq | tbr, yeah that's a possibility. The slots given to a organisation depend on the organisation size also right? |
| 10:15.32 | PulkoMandy | it depends on how much slots the org asks for |
| 10:16.12 | M-aviraldg | most importantly, new orgs do not get more than 2-3 slots |
| 10:16.16 | PulkoMandy | there are some smallish orgs with lots of people motivated to mentor students, and some very large orgs which only want a few number of students because not everyone wants to mentor |
| 10:16.36 | PulkoMandy | and yes, new orgs get a low number because they often underestimate how difficult the mentoring work is |
| 10:17.01 | wasiq | Is there a cap on the number of projects a mentor can oversee? |
| 10:17.19 | PulkoMandy | 1 project is already quite a lot of work |
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| 10:25.11 | tbr | yes, unless the mentor can dedicate himself to gsoc full-time. which most can't as they have dayjobs |
| 10:26.45 | Banana_ | hey. I have submitted my proposals but seem to have missed submitting my proof of enrollment.. is there some way i can make it right? |
| 10:27.49 | atul | Sorry , no way |
| 10:28.37 | Banana_ | oh. damn.. |
| 10:29.12 | marncz | when should we get our proofs accepted/rejected? |
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| 10:29.29 | Banana_ | 22 april |
| 10:29.44 | mr-karan_ | April 14, I think. |
| 10:30.34 | Banana_ | its the topic of the discussion... GSoC 2016 Projects will be announced on April 22nd |
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| 10:31.39 | marncz | "Your Proof of Enrollment has been uploaded and will be reviewed soon. You will receive an email once it has been accepted or rejected." |
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| 10:53.30 | trueutkarsh | Hey, I had submitted the bonafide certificate of my institution as proof of enrollment ? It is dated this february but valid for complete sophomore year. Will that work ? |
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| 10:59.49 | PulkoMandy | they will let you know if there is a problem with it |
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| 11:07.52 | Varun_ | hey, anyone knows how to reach out particular organization? |
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| 11:08.25 | Varun_ | ?? |
| 11:08.58 | bshah | well, they will have contact info in their organization page |
| 11:10.15 | Varun_ | thanks @bshah |
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| 12:57.40 | MarkX | ð |
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| 12:58.28 | teepee | hey |
| 12:58.28 | MarkX | Its pretty cool |
| 12:58.38 | MarkX | hey |
| 12:59.05 | M-aviraldg | Try Vector/Matrix: https://vector.im/develop/#/room/#freenode_#gsoc:matrix.orgIt's pretty cool too, and it's one of this year's orgs :) |
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| 15:32.20 | jam_ | hey guys, how should proposal discussions be taken place? public over mailing lists or on google-docs as comments? |
| 15:33.11 | jam_ | if you're wondering, i'm a student |
| 15:33.34 | jam_ | s/if/in case |
| 15:33.46 | teepee | it's org internal, the rules don't allow information about acceptance before the official google anouncement |
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| 15:36.03 | jam_ | teepee: what about proposal feedback? there's no comment section for the final PDF |
| 15:36.32 | meflin | there is no feedback the proposal is final |
| 15:36.55 | jam_ | meflin: not even for the abstract? |
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| 15:37.17 | meflin | that is frozen as well |
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| 15:37.37 | teepee | you'll be able to change the abstract later (from what I heard) but why would you need feedback for that? |
| 15:39.14 | jam_ | teepee: say, if the mentors have a suggestion for improving the abstract or disagree with something on the abstract |
| 15:39.35 | meflin | this isn't the tie to worry about that |
| 15:39.39 | meflin | time |
| 15:39.50 | jam_ | meflin: ah, okay then :) |
| 15:40.00 | jam_ | thanks for the info meflin, teepee! |
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| 15:40.22 | teepee | yeah, don't worry about things you can't change. work with the org you've chosen, that's much better use of time :) |
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| 16:52.58 | rishimuj101 | Hey ! Who is the head or incharge for Gsoc proposal ? I have a problem and the org says i need to get it approved by google so who should i tak to ? |
| 16:54.04 | meflin | proposals are final ... what kind of problem are we talking about? |
| 16:56.28 | rishimuj101 | Is the org forced to judge me only on the basis of the proposal . Is it possible if I work on the project after proposal sow them some code. Talk to them about it . Can't they use also that as a basis whether or not to select me ? I haven't put much amount of work in my submitted proposal but i am really interested ! |
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| 16:57.10 | meflin | the proposal cannot be changed, that doesn't stop you from working with them |
| 16:57.41 | rishimuj101 | No but still are they forced to judge me only on the basis of the proposal ??? that's the point |
| 16:57.48 | meflin | who is your org? ... they can ask such questions on the email list for mentors |
| 16:58.00 | rishimuj101 | my org is matrix |
| 16:58.02 | meflin | this isn't a question for students to be asking |
| 16:59.15 | rishimuj101 | well they told me to talk to some gsoc admin anyway i will tell to talk to use guys directly |
| 16:59.42 | meflin | they should take this to the mentor email list |
| 16:59.54 | rishimuj101 | ok thanks |
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| 18:29.27 | nightwalker_ | hey , are we just supposed to wait till 22nd?? |
| 18:30.16 | meflin | why stay involved with your org, fix some bugs, familiarize your self with the code ect |
| 18:31.44 | nightwalker_ | my project is at very initial stage |
| 18:32.05 | nightwalker_ | ok thanks for the advice |
| 18:32.34 | meflin | lots of stuff you org could probably use help on |
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| 19:12.31 | siaw | hello |
| 19:13.03 | siaw | does anyone know where i can get a list of stats of number of students from all countries from the beginning of gsoc till now? |
| 19:15.16 | gevaerts | I think you're in for a bit of random searching |
| 19:15.25 | gevaerts | doesn't think there's a single source for that |
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| 19:19.40 | siaw | ah i see |
| 19:19.55 | siaw | would be interesting to know how many people from my country got into it, if any at all |
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| 19:23.18 | gevaerts | searching for "gsoc country statistics" is probably useful |
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| 19:35.07 | siaw | yeah did that already |
| 19:37.49 | markedsea | I don't think I've seen country-based statistics from Google about GSoC, only number of students. |
| 19:37.56 | markedsea | Probably somewhere. |
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| 19:40.45 | teepee | sure in the gsoc blog |
| 19:40.45 | teepee | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/resources/stats |
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| 19:48.03 | siaw | yeah i saw this link |
| 19:48.10 | siaw | but didnât want to search through one by one |
| 19:53.14 | markedsea | Part one from each year seems to have the stats. |
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| 19:54.19 | siaw | yeah |
| 19:54.20 | siaw | thanks |
| 19:54.23 | siaw | another question |
| 19:54.32 | siaw | who selects students? is it google or the organizations? |
| 19:54.56 | meflin | orgs |
| 19:55.24 | Guest58767 | hello..I want to know what proceduer for applying in this program |
| 19:55.49 | meflin | its to late to apply for this year |
| 19:56.23 | Guest58767 | okay..but what are produre |
| 19:56.29 | meflin | check the info https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ |
| 19:56.37 | meflin | there is a student guide and faq |
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| 20:45.43 | marncz_ | "If this proposal is accepted, you will be able to edit the title and the abstract of your proposal after April 13, 2016." |
| 20:45.54 | marncz_ | why is that? |
| 20:45.58 | meflin | that is a typo |
| 20:46.04 | meflin | you wont know untill the 22nd |
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| 20:46.12 | marncz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.19 | meflin | its an error |
| 20:46.19 | marncz_ | and now 13 |
| 20:46.21 | marncz_ | k |
| 20:46.51 | marncz_ | thank |
| 20:48.04 | meflin | after the 22nd if you are accepted then those small parts should be editable |
| 20:48.12 | meflin | the main proposal will not |
| 20:48.29 | markedsea | Is the title and abstract shown elsewhere? |
| 20:48.42 | markedsea | Hence the editing ability later on? |
| 20:48.49 | meflin | no idea ... this is the first year we have seen this software |
| 20:49.07 | meflin | there are reasons your org might want your tital edited that I can think of |
| 20:49.25 | marncz_ | maybe it going live? |
| 20:49.35 | markedsea | Ah, right, because of the shift from Melange. |
| 20:49.46 | marncz_ | and will be visible publicly? |
| 20:49.51 | meflin | for my org we want your tital -> suborg-name:tital |
| 20:49.57 | meflin | makes the workflow work |
| 20:50.17 | s_aly | meflin, whatever happened with the people who were able to upload their proofs after the deadline? were they accepted? |
| 20:50.23 | meflin | marncz_ first year we have used this system ... we have no idea :) |
| 20:50.43 | meflin | s_aly, no idea ... |
| 20:50.51 | marncz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.58 | meflin | I could speculate .... but my speculation and $1 ... leaves you $1 ;) |
| 20:53.15 | olly | markedsea: in previous year, the project title and abstract were public |
| 20:53.21 | olly | for accepted projects |
| 20:53.30 | olly | I'd imagine that's the case still |
| 20:55.45 | markedsea | Ah, okay. |
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| 21:04.26 | s_aly | i see. would be interesting to find out what really happened. |
| 21:05.34 | s_aly | is there a list of all accepted proposals from last year anywhere? |
| 21:06.06 | marncz_ | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2015 |
| 21:06.19 | meflin | achive mode and wont be around long |
| 21:06.56 | s_aly | thanks marncz_ |
| 21:10.14 | shubham03 | !numsapp |
| 21:11.01 | valorie | I think it's numapps |
| 21:11.08 | valorie | !numapps |
| 21:11.08 | gsocbot | valorie: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 21:12.19 | shubham03 | thanks valorie |
| 21:13.56 | valorie | yw |
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| 22:32.05 | Freso | sttaylor: Thanks for that follow-up e-mail. :) |
| 22:32.43 | sttaylor | the thread went into a few different topics so I didn?t see that one but decided to put a bunch of info in there |
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| 23:02.26 | guest | Hi! I have applied for a project in GSoC, but also have a once in a lifetime opportunity for an absolutely magnificent job. If I were to get this job AND accepted for GSoC, would it then be a problem if I were to politely decline the GSoC project? This would of course be with a heavy heart, but I feel like IF I were to get this job I would HAVE to take it. |
| 23:02.58 | meflin | you should talk to your mentor |
| 23:03.16 | meflin | if you withdraw after acceptance that slot is lost |
| 23:04.00 | meflin | do not blind side your mentors |
| 23:04.16 | guest | Okay, then I will definitively email them about this. Thank you |
| 23:06.08 | olly | guest: it's a very antisocial thing to do to drop out after the point where the org is able to pick someone else |
| 23:06.34 | guest | Oh I know, that's why I asked. I don't want that to happen. |
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| 23:09.43 | olly | Robert_S: was the CSV export disabled because of the bug I reported? If so, could it be reenabled now? Trying to rank proposals externally is going to be a pain without being able to export a list |
| 23:12.55 | Freso | olly: Uh. I can export CSV of proposals just fine? |
| 23:13.19 | olly | Freso: hmm, where's the button for it? |
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| 23:14.07 | meflin | olly, dashbord->exports |
| 23:14.11 | Robert_S | olly: Not as far as I know. (Also, remember, IRC isn't the best way to contact me for important stuff.) |
| 23:14.39 | meflin | its right of admin for |
| 23:14.47 | Freso | olly: What meflin said. |
| 23:14.48 | meflin | confirmed can export ... some file |
| 23:14.49 | olly | ah, I was misremembering it being on the list |
| 23:14.54 | olly | sorry for noise |
| 23:15.07 | Robert_S | THAT'S NOT NOISE. THIS IS NOISE. :) |
| 23:15.15 | Freso | ð |
| 23:15.25 | Freso | NO. THIS IS PATRICK. |
| 23:15.33 | Robert_S | NOW WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE. |
| 23:15.48 | Freso | WOOHOO! |
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| 23:16.07 | meflin | A LITTLE BIT SOFTER NOW, a little bit softer now |
| 23:18.18 | olly | id "5.3048240022487E+015" - thanks libreoffice |
| 23:18.50 | meflin | +015 is dumb the student you want is +019 |
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| 23:41.47 | valorie | gosh, eardrums blown out guys! |
| 23:41.50 | valorie | lol |
| 23:43.00 | meflin | valorie, -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haypxj24_Uw |
| 23:48.02 | valorie | I remember..... |
| 23:48.15 | meflin | heh |
| 23:48.21 | valorie | 1983, my goodness |
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