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| 08:57.38 | phant0mas | hey guys my proof of Enrollment has been rejected. I used the same as last year |
| 08:57.48 | phant0mas | and last year everything was okay |
| 08:58.02 | phant0mas | what happened? |
| 08:58.13 | phant0mas | it says Reason: not english/missing translation. |
| 08:58.22 | olly | add one then? |
| 08:58.46 | phant0mas | the thing is that I used the same proof last yeat and there was no issue |
| 08:59.13 | olly | i guess humans checking thousands of documents aren't 100% consistent |
| 08:59.33 | olly | if it's not in english, it is meant to have an english translation |
| 08:59.38 | olly | you can just do it yourself |
| 08:59.58 | phant0mas | but it is in both greek and english |
| 09:00.27 | phant0mas | the only difference is that it says my full name on it, which is Emmanouil Fragkiskos |
| 09:00.38 | phant0mas | while on he gsoc website it says only Manolis |
| 09:00.53 | phant0mas | which is the shorter version of Emmanouil |
| 09:00.55 | olly | i guess you need to email the OSPO people then |
| 09:01.19 | phant0mas | should I email them in the gsoc-ml? |
| 09:01.33 | olly | no, that's not helpful |
| 09:01.58 | olly | if there's no address on the rejection, i'd use the contact address on the website |
| 09:02.06 | phant0mas | ok |
| 09:02.54 | phant0mas | thank you olly |
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| 09:35.34 | j4ke | hi all, I have a problem with the proof of enrollment. Is someone disposable? thanks in advance |
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| 10:30.38 | Drag0s | Hello all! |
| 10:31.49 | Drag0s | A little question, in your application in the Proposal Details, it says "(You can come back and edit this at any time)", but I can't :S |
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| 10:34.34 | linuxmodder | Drag0s, until the final date (which was March 25th (last friday) |
| 10:36.03 | Drag0s | Ahhh okay. It is a little bit confusing because it still has the Edit button and still says "(You can come back and edit this at any time)" xD |
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| 10:41.15 | Drag0s | Another question, the Proposal Details will be public or there is a way to make it public/to share? |
| 10:43.51 | olly | j4ke: i don't think anyone from google is around - I'd suggest emailing the contact address on the website |
| 10:44.20 | olly | Drag0s: it's a new site this year, so it's hard to say |
| 10:44.28 | olly | in the past the title and abstract were public |
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| 10:44.53 | olly | and students had a checkbox to allow anyone with the link to view the full proposal |
| 10:45.26 | olly | the title and abstract were public *for accepted proposals* that is |
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| 10:58.33 | j4ke | olly: thanks for your reply, I know that someone from google will be around at 14.00 PT. I have sent an email to the contact address, for the moment. |
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| 11:03.12 | Freso | !support | phant0mas |
| 11:03.12 | gsocbot | phant0mas: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 11:03.46 | Freso | !proof | phant0mas |
| 11:03.47 | gsocbot | phant0mas: "proof" is If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved. |
| 11:04.02 | olly | that's not entirely helpful now... |
| 11:04.11 | Freso | Well, the first part still holds. |
| 11:05.09 | olly | i'd say all but that holds now |
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| 11:06.03 | Freso | !learn proof2 as If you have questions or concerns about your enrollment document, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, contact gsoc-support@google.com instead. |
| 11:06.03 | gsocbot | Freso: "proof2" is If you have questions or concerns about your enrollment document, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, contact gsoc-support@google.com instead. |
| 11:06.11 | Freso | olly: Uh. What? |
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| 11:06.41 | olly | "just upload it" isn't helpful advice to a student who's had something rejected which seems valid |
| 11:07.12 | Freso | olly: By first part, I meant up until "mailing lists". |
| 11:07.37 | olly | ah, i see |
| 11:10.16 | phant0mas | Freso olly thank you for your help, I emailed gsoc-support. |
| 11:10.16 | phant0mas | I only want to say that last year the exact same proof worked |
| 11:10.38 | phant0mas | the only possible problem is the emmanouil -> manolis |
| 11:13.11 | phant0mas | I hope I get an answer soon |
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| 11:14.15 | Freso | phant0mas: You should tell gsoc-support that, not us. We didn't see your proof last year nor can we see it this year. :) |
| 11:14.33 | Freso | Very, very, very few of the people in here are actually at Google. |
| 11:15.35 | phant0mas | Freso: I explained the situation thoroughly in my email :-) |
| 11:15.42 | Freso | ð |
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| 11:58.48 | M-aviraldg | Will a student ID card which says "2014-2018" (no date mentioned) work for the proof? |
| 11:58.52 | ankita_ | !numapps |
| 11:58.52 | gsocbot | ankita_: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
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| 12:40.42 | Uli- | we (Apache) apparently received a proposal meant for Apertium. Is there any way to move it to another org or do we just leave it as is? |
| 12:41.59 | Uli- | Also, is there any way the system's performance can be improved? It is really slow and makes my live as an org admin having to handle an umbrella org unncessary slow. |
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| 15:32.30 | mhils | Robert_S: Is there an API that gives me the list of proposals including comments? O:-) |
| 15:32.48 | mhils | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:01.15 | PulkoMandy | olly: I'm not sure "proof2" is a good idea. I'd recomend using !forget on the previous "proof" and replacing it |
| 17:01.16 | PulkoMandy | IIRC the list of factoids is already so long that trying to list it will result in freenode disconnecting someone for excess flood |
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| 17:01.16 | PulkoMandy | Freso: ^ (it seems you registered that with the bot) |
| 17:01.48 | Freso | Sure. |
| 17:01.52 | Freso | !forget proof2 |
| 17:01.52 | gsocbot | Freso: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:01.56 | Freso | !forget proof |
| 17:01.56 | gsocbot | Freso: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:02.09 | Freso | !learn proof as If you have questions or concerns about your enrollment document, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, contact gsoc-support@google.com instead. |
| 17:02.09 | gsocbot | Freso: "proof" is If you have questions or concerns about your enrollment document, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, contact gsoc-support@google.com instead. |
| 17:02.36 | Freso | My thinking was that !proof would still be useful next year, but I guess it can be updated then. |
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| 17:03.39 | PulkoMandy | yes, these things are easy to change and next year everyone will forget about proof2 already |
| 17:03.43 | PulkoMandy | thanks :) |
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| 17:05.51 | Freso | Np. |
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| 18:45.51 | ok | http://cur.lv/wo54f |
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| 18:57.08 | Uli- | kblin: that's our next step but first I wanted to get rid of all the duplicates and obviously low quality ones. |
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| 19:02.09 | terri | Is there any effect in marking proposals as "ignore" other than them being hidden from the default mentor view? |
| 19:03.04 | meflin | none that I know of |
| 19:03.24 | terri | I just want to make sure we aren't treating them as spam or something, since they're legit proposals, just didn't make the first cut. |
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| 19:25.14 | Freso | terri: They're not. |
| 19:25.23 | Freso | (Treated as spam, that is.) |
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| 20:37.58 | olly | PulkoMandy: I didn't create that factoid |
| 20:38.25 | PulkoMandy | yes sorry apparently I wasn't completely awake, Freso did fix it already |
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| 20:47.10 | Robert_S | terri: Ignored just means ignored for you. We get a count of them, but aren't using it for anything. |
| 20:47.42 | terri | Robert_S: yeay, thanks for confirming that! |
| 20:48.04 | Robert_S | It's a simple way of dealing with several birds with one stone. |
| 20:49.05 | terri | yeah, I just didn't want to use it if it turned out it was being used to have the system ignore the proposal in other ways (e.g. not sending notifications to the student or something) |
| 20:49.42 | terri | that should make sorting through some of these proposals much easier |
| 20:50.21 | olly | i am finding the workflow with the PDFs much clumsier |
| 20:53.17 | terri | so am I, but that's because I appear to have a chrome bug where the pdf display doesn't work very well. I hate to imagine if I were trying to use a screen reader. |
| 20:53.53 | Robert_S | terri: Doesn't work very ewll? |
| 20:54.23 | terri | Robert_S: currently, the pdf display in chrome shows me a blank page until I scroll, and osmetimes chunks of the document don't show up without fiddling with the scrollbars |
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| 20:54.34 | Robert_S | Ick. |
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| 20:54.43 | terri | I don't think that's your fault, obviously! |
| 20:54.50 | Robert_S | :) Me neither. |
| 20:55.14 | Robert_S | The PDFs have pros and cons, we'll definitely be evaluating how they worked. |
| 20:55.53 | terri | yeah, I like them as a hack so there's a clear final project proposal in the face of collaborative edited documents like google docs and github and wikis |
| 20:56.36 | olly | i think part of the issue is that i have too many windows |
| 20:56.43 | Robert_S | olly: There's this button you can click. |
| 20:57.19 | Robert_S | terri: There isn't another great solution that doesn't also have its share of problems. |
| 20:57.49 | olly | there's the list (and I need to make sure I keep that open to keep the page size and avoid the long wait for it), then there's the proposal page, then the PDF, then the student's draft if I want to make comments they can see |
| 20:58.09 | olly | and then if I ignore one, I have to either remember, or go through the pain of reloading the list |
| 20:58.12 | Robert_S | There are loading indicators now :) |
| 20:58.16 | Robert_S | Have you considered tabs? |
| 20:58.30 | olly | i use tabs |
| 20:59.03 | Robert_S | Have you considered a larger monitor? |
| 20:59.15 | olly | i have two fairly large monitors |
| 20:59.30 | Robert_S | Hrm. |
| 20:59.33 | Robert_S | I'm out of bad ideas. |
| 20:59.34 | olly | i'm not saying it's impossible to deal with |
| 21:00.00 | olly | but 3 windows/tabs/whatever per proposal seems clumsy |
| 21:00.05 | Robert_S | Regarding comments on the draft -- remember that acceptance is based on whatever it was on Friday. |
| 21:00.37 | olly | i know, but that's how sttaylor suggested we talk to the student in the equivalent to the old private comments in melange |
| 21:00.42 | Robert_S | nods. |
| 21:00.49 | olly | which falls down if they didn't provide a draft |
| 21:01.02 | Robert_S | I thought we exposed their email address to you too. |
| 21:01.06 | olly | but fortunately the ones who didn't weren't ones we'd consider anyway |
| 21:01.25 | olly | that lacks visibility to the other mentors though |
| 21:01.40 | Robert_S | CC private-mentor-list ? |
| 21:01.42 | Robert_S | But yes. |
| 21:01.55 | olly | and that fails when people fail to group reply |
| 21:02.29 | Robert_S | Just have everyone meet in the middle and camp out in tents? |
| 21:03.16 | olly | sorry, not just moaning here though it may seem like it - I'm trying to share why it's quite a frustrating process to work with as it is |
| 21:03.24 | Robert_S | nods. |
| 21:03.26 | olly | the old way was also frustrating |
| 21:03.30 | terri | Robert_S: I think maybe exporting to html would be a bit easier to work with than pdf, but obviously I'm biased since my pdf plugin is apparently having a hissy fit. :) |
| 21:03.45 | Robert_S | olly: We hope this way is at least differently frustrating. |
| 21:04.14 | olly | to be fair on melange, it was at least slightly differently frustrating each time |
| 21:04.27 | Robert_S | terri: I see how that could be the case. From a technical perspective, PDFs are easier -- fewer security issues. It gets very complicated to allow untrusted HTML. |
| 21:04.57 | terri | Robert_S: incidentally, meflin and I estimated that you saved us probably well over 100 hours of volunteer time during the mentor signups |
| 21:05.13 | Robert_S | You're welcome. :) That was one of our goals. |
| 21:05.28 | terri | We used to spend hours debugging confusion with melange. this year was a joy |
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| 21:06.09 | terri | so yes, thank you, it was and is amazing how much of a difference the new signup process made. :) |
| 21:06.14 | olly | the only confusion this year seemed to be mentors who expected they could sign up through the website |
| 21:06.24 | olly | which should be largely gone next year |
| 21:06.40 | meflin | that was easy to take care of |
| 21:06.42 | olly | i'd agree the invite approach is a better one |
| 21:06.55 | Robert_S | :) |
| 21:07.50 | Robert_S | The apply approach never made sense to me. It was also a huge source of complication and confusion. |
| 21:10.35 | terri | indeed |
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| 21:15.07 | xALEx | Hello! Can you help me? I accidentally pressed "Yes" on modal window and my account is inactive now. Can I make it active again? I did't want to do it. T |
| 21:15.24 | Robert_S | No, that cannot be reversed. |
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| 21:41.32 | Robert_S | terri: FWIW, some of the list bugs should be much improved today. |
| 21:42.45 | zimy | Hi all. Is there any information about Proof of Enrollment validation timelines? |
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| 21:43.11 | Robert_S | zimy: They're been looked at this week. |
| 21:45.35 | terri | Robert_S: yeay! |
| 21:46.34 | terri | Robert_S: is there any way to sort by or at least dispaly the project's tag in the list? I didn't see one, but I could just be unobservant |
| 21:47.28 | Robert_S | No, and that totally feels like a bug. |
| 21:48.16 | zimy | Robert_S: Thanks. Would I be able to reupload my Proof of Enrollement (not the same, but possible different document) before Aprill 22 deadline in case of rejecting currently uploaded? |
| 21:48.31 | Robert_S | zimy: Yes. If your document is rejected, you will have time to re-upload |
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| 21:48.58 | zimy | Robert_S: And finally thanks! |
| 21:54.31 | Robert_S | terri: Looks like a (silly) oversight. |
| 21:54.40 | Robert_S | terri: Filing a bug, can't promise it for this year. |
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| 22:13.46 | catallman | Hi all. |
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| 22:25.01 | PeterVu | Hello, I just had my proof of enrollment rejected with the reason "incomplete", I submitted part of my transcript, I have since reuploaded my whole complete transcript, is it perhaps possible for someone to tell me what is required for my proof of enrollment to get accepted? |
| 22:25.50 | Robert_S | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment |
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| 22:27.21 | PeterVu | From that page it says: incomplete: Required fields or other information is missing. But it doesn't say what is required for a transcript |
| 22:28.54 | PeterVu | As long as it has my name on it and courses enrolled during "2016 winter" it should be okay right? |
| 22:29.49 | neverpanic | 2016 winter doesn't include April 22nd, does it? |
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| 22:30.22 | PeterVu | It does for my school, for my school 2016 winter is January - end of april, graduate in June |
| 22:30.32 | neverpanic | and does that transcript say that? |
| 22:31.04 | PeterVu | No it just says "2016 Winter  Bachelor's Degree Program" |
| 22:33.02 | PeterVu | I guess I should be safe and go ask for a letter of current enrollment from my registrar |
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