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| 16:35.10 | sandmanx | Hey everyone! |
| 16:36.01 | bluesomewhere | hello hello |
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| 16:38.14 | sandmanx | I wanted some help in beginning to contribute to opensource |
| 16:38.53 | PulkoMandy | !studentguide | sandmanx |
| 16:38.53 | gsocbot | sandmanx: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 16:39.06 | PulkoMandy | this could be a good start unless you have more specific questions already |
| 16:40.25 | bluesomewhere | what PulkoMandy said :o) happy to take more specific questions, but if you're just getting oriented that resource may be a good starting point |
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| 16:41.32 | sandmanx | Thanks @bluesomewhere and @PulkoMandy , but I have some specific questions. |
| 16:41.42 | PulkoMandy | well then, just ask! :) |
| 16:43.19 | sandmanx | Suppose I know a language, then at what extent of knowing that language I am capable enough to contribute? Like how do I gauge my knowledge is sufficient to contribute? |
| 16:44.04 | PulkoMandy | !goodenough |
| 16:44.04 | gsocbot | PulkoMandy: "goodenough" is Am I good enough to be a student for GSoC? http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
| 16:44.13 | PulkoMandy | this bot knows everything :) |
| 16:44.42 | PulkoMandy | anyway, it depends on the project, I'd say just try it |
| 16:45.22 | PulkoMandy | in a lot of projects (most of the ones I contribute to, at least), there are not a lot of people contributing and we'd really need more. So we'll make all the efforts to help newcomers get up to speed |
| 16:45.33 | bluesomewhere | right, just diving in and trying to contribute is often a good way to stretch yourself or master a skill you've been developing. if you hit a road block there are often people willing to help |
| 16:45.52 | PulkoMandy | (and there is no better way to learn than trying to write some code then refining it until it is good enough to be accepted in a project) |
| 16:46.39 | aghisla | you can also start by translating documentation, so that you will test the software more attentively than just by using it |
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| 16:49.36 | sandmanx | You mean to say if I know even a little bit of python, I should dive straight in, and learn new things on the fly? |
| 16:50.28 | bluesomewhere | sandmanx: opinions may differ, but I say yes! I've always learned the most by getting my hands dirty with real world work |
| 16:51.07 | bluesomewhere | aghisla's suggestion is a good one, too. working on documentation will give you intimate knowledge of a project and put you in a good position to do code contribution |
| 16:53.48 | sandmanx | One last thing, any pro tip for choosing an organisation? |
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| 16:55.16 | PulkoMandy | that will be faster than trying to figure things out all by yourself, yes |
| 16:55.27 | PulkoMandy | well, I think writing good docs is harder than writing good code |
| 16:55.29 | PulkoMandy | translating may be a bit easier, never tried so I don't know |
| 16:56.14 | aghisla | sandmanx: I would go for the ones that host GSoC and Code-in. Code-in tasks would also be ideal for beginners, even if you plan to take part to GSoC next year or soon. |
| 16:56.50 | aghisla | these orgs already identified tasks suitable for newcomers and have probably mentors at hand even outside of coding periods |
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| 17:00.26 | sandmanx | thanks @aghilsa @bluesomewhere and @PulkoMandy , you all have been of great help :D |
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| 17:01.11 | bluesomewhere | sandmanx: yvw :D PulkoMandy++ aghisla++ |
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| 17:02.59 | aghisla | sandmanx: yw! |
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| 17:12.02 | Rish_ | If I submit blog post link in the final evaluation, will I be able to edit my blogpost later? |
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| 17:21.57 | bluesomewhere | Rish_: I don't see why not but I'm also not 100% sure - that question may be better suite to gsoc-support@google.com :o) |
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| 17:47.53 | Freso | !timeline |
| 17:47.53 | gsocbot | Freso: "timeline" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
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| 18:30.07 | Rish | bluesomewhere: thanks |
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| 18:30.23 | Rish | I hope they allow..I need to make just smalll change |
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| 18:35.20 | alexsomai | Rish please let me know if you get any response, I'm in a similar situation |
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| 20:02.40 | gasuleg | Is it possible to do two GSoC in the same organisation? |
| 20:02.53 | Robert_S | Yes, in different years. |
| 20:03.29 | gasuleg | Are you sure about this information? |
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| 20:04.57 | meflin | yes |
| 20:05.37 | gasuleg | ok perfect! thank you Robert_S and meflin |
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| 20:08.33 | olly_ | gasuleg: the rules allow it, though some orgs may have their own policy not to select students for a second time |
| 20:11.43 | gasuleg | good point, thank you olly_ for this information |
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| 20:52.38 | medfly | stupid question, what can I do if I can't login to my email? (it's through some university thing that might be down, hopefully not for much longer) |
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| 21:01.24 | gevaerts | medfly: a good first step would probably to ask someone who might have a chance to know about it instead of some random irc channel |
| 21:01.37 | medfly | ;-) |
| 21:01.50 | medfly | like who |
| 21:02.00 | gevaerts | How should I know? |
| 21:02.09 | medfly | I know right |
| 21:02.15 | jn__ | your university's admins? |
| 21:02.19 | Robert_S | Maybe the people who run the unversity thing that might be down. |
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| 23:02.09 | Zabot | Is a link to the final pull request on github with my code and remarks acceptable for the work product submission? |
| 23:02.34 | Robert_S | A blog post or web page with more explanation is better. |
| 23:03.25 | Zabot | What is required in the way of explanation? |
| 23:04.17 | teepee | the pull request can have also a good description |
| 23:04.28 | Robert_S | 1) It should clearly demonstrate (via summary words and links) what work *you* did. |
| 23:04.44 | Robert_S | 2) It should be possible/easy/obvious for someone else to find/use/extend the work you did. |
| 23:05.13 | Robert_S | If all of your work is being packaged into a single pull request, then that might be equivalent, depending on how much description is there. But it's kind of inflexible. |
| 23:05.56 | Robert_S | These links serve multiple purposes. They're both for your mentor to say "this is the work that was done" but also for the world to see "this is work produced during GSoC". |
| 23:06.22 | teepee | in our case https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/1751 |
| 23:06.31 | Zabot | This is what I have right now, I'm still writing it up, but I just want to make sure I don't fail because of a misunderstanding: https://github.com/tordanik/OSM2World/pull/112 |
| 23:08.16 | Robert_S | Those seem perfectly reasonable from my perspective, in that they satisfy the requirements. |
| 23:08.24 | Robert_S | Failure is determined by your mentor, so you should ask them if it's ok. |
| 23:08.33 | teepee | offical requirements are listed in https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/work-product |
| 23:09.24 | Zabot | Oh- ok. I already talked to my mentors, they said they weren't sure, but it would probably be fine. I just wanted to make triple sure. |
| 23:09.39 | teepee | wait a minute, that changed from 2 days ago |
| 23:10.21 | olly_ | "It should be in a stable location. It cannot be changed after submission" seems one that's not really fulfilled by many of the ways that are apparently OK |
| 23:10.40 | teepee | indeed |
| 23:10.43 | olly_ | wiki pages can be deleted, and definitely changed after submissions |
| 23:10.50 | teepee | but pull requests should be fine actually and are not mentioned |
| 23:10.55 | Robert_S | olly_: I'll fix the text. "The URL cannot be changed after submission." |
| 23:10.59 | Robert_S | teepee: Give me 5 minutes. :) |
| 23:11.00 | Zabot | Same thing with a public gist |
| 23:11.03 | Zabot | Ah- ha |
| 23:11.09 | olly_ | Robert_S: ah, that makes more ense |
| 23:11.15 | Zabot | Thats the biggest thing that was giving me trouble with the PR |
| 23:11.15 | olly_ | sense |
| 23:12.04 | teepee | yup, but also means you can't really link to a branch as that might go away easily |
| 23:12.17 | teepee | that: "(if you committed to another branch, change URL.)" |
| 23:12.29 | Robert_S | teepee: In hindsight, we shouldn't have included the list of changes option, but we can't remove it now. |
| 23:12.52 | Zabot | Note that the requirements say that the GSoC commits need to be easily distinguishable, so if you're going to use a pull request that might not get immediately pulled, you might want to add a note indicating the last GSoC commit |
| 23:13.05 | olly_ | TBH it all seems a huge improvement over the random pile of changes in a useless format we used to have |
| 23:13.21 | Robert_S | olly_: Exactly. |
| 23:13.26 | olly_ | if it takes one iteration to smooth out the wrinkles, that's not a big deal |
| 23:13.39 | Zabot | It seems to me like linking a PR is the most intuitive option, it was the first thing that came to my mind |
| 23:13.44 | teepee | yeah, I agree it's much better than uploading zip files |
| 23:14.08 | Zabot | A nice change log, list of commits, and developer comments all in one place |
| 23:14.40 | teepee | yep, and it stays there after merge by default |
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| 23:17.35 | Zabot | ^ It even gives the extra information about what happened to the project afterwards |
| 23:17.41 | Zabot | If it ever got merged and the likes |
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| 23:22.00 | Robert_S | I look forward to next year when we can link to good examples. |
| 23:23.05 | Robert_S | docs updated. |
| 23:23.47 | Zabot | Robert_S: If I link to a PR, can I continue to update it after I've submitted the final evaluation? |
| 23:24.01 | Robert_S | I can't stop you. |
| 23:24.18 | Zabot | I still have a bit of write up to do, but I want to finish the submission early |
| 23:24.57 | Robert_S | Will there be more commits? |
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| 23:26.22 | Zabot | Possibly, but I'll be sure to clearly label then end, something like This was started for GSoC 2016, the last GSoC commit was xxxxx |
| 23:26.31 | Robert_S | Seems reasonable. |
| 23:26.48 | Robert_S | Just remember your mentor is the one who will review it. |
| 23:30.40 | Zabot | Alright, thanks |
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