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| 08:03.56 | anshuman73 | sorry |
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| 08:42.09 | amsharma | Indian here. Haven't received the gsoc tshirt yet. Is it time to send out an email to gsoc support? |
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| 08:43.36 | jn__ | amsharma: in germany, i've received mine a week ago, so it may still be on the way |
| 08:44.15 | jn__ | amsharma: but i don't know when it *should* arrive |
| 08:44.32 | amsharma | i found the email from support, it says they should arrive by 8th october. so i guess, i should mail them now... |
| 08:45.20 | gevaerts | I'd say it's not too early for email |
| 08:45.30 | gevaerts | I mean, it's been (just) over a month now |
| 08:46.14 | gevaerts | Most of those should have arrived, so even if everyone who didn't get anything sends an email today, that's not going to be a massive burden :) |
| 08:47.40 | amsharma | gevaerts: what information should i supply in the mail? |
| 08:47.43 | amsharma | my address etc? |
| 08:49.07 | gevaerts | amsharma: I don't know, but I'd assume they need your name, your address and the email address you use on the gsoc webapp |
| 08:49.29 | amsharma | ok, providing that! |
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| 17:11.37 | downey | Such a difficult decision to make about what chocolate to bring to the mentor summit ;-) |
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| 17:21.14 | terri | downey: yeah. i brought some moonstruck stuff last time, but there's several chocolatiers in the Portland area and I feel like I should try another. |
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| 17:34.51 | downey | terri: think i'll stop by cacao and try to find some fringe stuff |
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| 19:14.55 | nikivi | can there be any hints found on what kind of organisations will be up in 2017 |
| 19:15.52 | meflin | no |
| 19:16.18 | meflin | you can check last years ... but every year is different , orgs have not even applyed yet |
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| 19:33.54 | olly | "kind of organisations" -> it's a fairly safe bet they'll be organisations releasing open source software |
| 19:34.06 | olly | or else the character of gsoc will have fundamentally changed |
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| 19:35.11 | olly | it's impossible to know which specific orgs will be in though |
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| 19:57.23 | downey | I think it's fair to say that a large % of the orgs (but of course not all) are the same from one year to the next |
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| 20:28.41 | terri | downey: for 2016 year 24% were new: https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/02/2016-google-summer-of-code-mentor.html |
| 20:28.58 | downey | i like that ratio |
| 20:29.19 | terri | I'm too lazy to dig back through previous year's blogs, but I'd guess it's something similar every year. influx of new orgs but some stability as well. |
| 20:29.47 | meflin | ratio sounds about right |
| 20:30.28 | terri | okay, I lie, I looked at 2015. 137 orgs, 37 new |
| 20:30.38 | terri | so it was 27% new in 2015 |
| 20:31.52 | terri | and 190 orgs 45 new, for a percentage of 24% |
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| 20:32.01 | terri | in 2014, which was the bigger 10th year |
| 20:32.12 | terri | so yeah, probably a somehwat intentional ratio |
| 20:32.47 | terri | which is to say that checking last year's orgs is totally a good place to start until the orgs are actually announced. |
| 20:33.54 | gevaerts | Yes, but when talking to them early, you should only spend 75% of the effort you normally would, to compensate :) |
| 20:34.34 | terri | Honestly, I can't say you get a great response talking to orgs right now anyhow. I mean, it's always a good time to get involved, but you're just going to get mehs if you ask about gsoc specifically. ;) |
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| 20:35.12 | meflin | well it is the off season mentors need to rest up |
| 20:36.11 | terri | this is a much better time to focus on fixing bugs. *any* open source experience is useful, don't worry about whether it's with a gsoc org or not until February. |
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| 21:13.10 | Guest4589 | everyone |
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| 21:14.08 | meflin | if you have a question just ask |
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| 21:37.12 | Freso | anshuman73: You're always welcome in #musicbrainz ;) |
| 21:37.51 | anshuman73 | Haha yes ! I was meaning to talk to you |
| 21:39.33 | Freso | terri: Are those numbers just from one year to the other or overall (e.g., if one org. takes a break one year, will they be counted as 'new' the following year)? |
| 21:40.24 | Freso | terri: Also idk. I think I'd rather know a newcomer is joining up with GSoC in mind that finding that out later. |
| 21:41.00 | olly | i believe the "new orgs" are entirely new |
| 21:41.19 | olly | and there's also a lot of returning-but-not-participating-last-year |
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| 21:41.55 | olly | there's probably quite a few unclear cases, where an org is the natural successor to another org, but has a different name |
| 21:42.06 | olly | and forks where both halves continue for a while |
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| 22:01.26 | perepujal | Freso: I don't know if they count as new for statistics, but for slot allocments they count as experienced orgs |
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| 22:20.59 | nikivi | I am just worried that once everything is announced I won't have time to contribute anything |
| 22:21.04 | nikivi | and make my proposition good |
| 22:21.19 | nikivi | as I am still quite new to open source and working wi big projects |
| 22:21.36 | meflin | so start now .. the experince will help |
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| 22:43.34 | Haxxa | Hi Everyone, I was looking to apply for the gsoc next year but I'm a bit confused after reading the student manual - When submitting a proposal, do you offer a proposed fix/addition/enhancement to an existing project or are they suggested by the project maintainers? |
| 22:43.56 | olly | Haxxa: you can do either |
| 22:44.24 | olly | orgs provide a list of suggests ideas you can choose from, or you can build a proposal based on your own idea |
| 22:44.28 | olly | or some mixture |
| 22:44.43 | olly | but do talk to the org before spending a lot of time on an idea of your own |
| 22:45.23 | olly | some of the best projects ideas are proposed by students, but it's also true that many of the worst are too |
| 22:46.34 | Haxxa | olly Ok, so are these specifically posted on the GSOC website or do you find a suggested idea based on the respective project websites. I'm kind of confused if its all handled on the GSOC site or directly with maintainers. |
| 22:47.10 | olly | there's a page for each org on the gsoc site, with a link to their ideas list |
| 22:47.50 | olly | e.g https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4851161802735616/ and click "VIEW IDEAS LIST" |
| 22:49.05 | olly | makes more sense to let the orgs manage their lists, etc as they want, rather than having to build a web app with functionality for maintaining ideas list, etc and forcing everyone to use it |
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| 22:49.49 | Haxxa | olly, thanks make sense, Are these the current projects for next year? Or just a reference from this year to give some idea of what to expect. |
| 22:50.53 | valorie | Haxxa: those are the actual ideas pages from last year |
| 22:50.57 | olly | that's just the first org on the 2016 list |
| 22:51.05 | valorie | presumably they will always exist |
| 22:51.18 | valorie | for some value of $always |
| 22:51.19 | olly | well, until we move to webapp+1 |
| 22:52.09 | valorie | I would hope that we don't move our ideas list elsewhere! |
| 22:52.39 | olly | oh, I was thinking the org pages |
| 22:53.22 | olly | yeah, the org idea lists will tend to persist and get overhauled for the next GSoC |
| 22:57.26 | Haxxa | Ok, so come February 29 next year (after organisations have been announced), I can expect a similar page where I can submit proposals? For example, say Gnome had DPI issues on certain dual monitor configurations - I could propose to work to fix this, fill all the criteria needed for project details and if selected contribute to that project. |
| 22:57.26 | Haxxa | Also on said organisation page, there will be an ideas list of some suggestions that could be worked on? Have I got the right idea? |
| 22:59.40 | valorie | well, if I were you, I would embed myself in the team that would superintend such a project |
| 22:59.54 | valorie | and get to know the underlying problems |
| 23:00.11 | valorie | and work with the devels to come up with a project proposal |
| 23:00.26 | valorie | because usually mentors write the ideas |
| 23:00.41 | valorie | and students, inspired by those ideas, make a proposal |
| 23:01.02 | valorie | teams choose which students they want, based on those proposals |
| 23:01.17 | Haxxa | valorie, I'm confused I thought, a mentor was allocated to you after a successful proposal? |
| 23:01.20 | valorie | and assign mentors, again based on the proposal |
| 23:01.42 | valorie | ideas are general |
| 23:01.49 | valorie | proposals are very specific |
| 23:02.27 | valorie | so students don't fill the ideas page |
| 23:02.39 | valorie | prospective mentors do that |
| 23:04.03 | Haxxa | Ok so you propose to work on an idea, if said team likes it they may select you, then you work with them for writing a more specific proposal in the mean time I should try and get associated with the team now to get an idea of the dynamics and how the project is handled? |
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| 23:10.02 | terri | Haxxa: You generally want to work with them on a more specific proposal *before* they make their decisions, but that's the general idea. |
| 23:11.23 | terri | they put up a list of potential ideas, you look at them and propose to either do something off the list or your own thing, they help you refine your proposal so it fits their architecture and project goals, then you submit it. |
| 23:12.05 | terri | The most important thing to do in that phase is to take suggestions and make modifications. You want to prove that you're good at listening and understanding their needs. |
| 23:12.56 | terri | Then they select students form all the people they've worked with, and if you're selected, you work with them to complete the project. Sometimes that'll require some more changes if something doesn't work, sometimes it'll be implemented exactly the wya you planned. :) |
| 23:13.43 | olly | orgs are looking for students who can successfully complete their proposed projects, not students who can write a good looking proposal unaided |
| 23:13.56 | Haxxa | terri, Thanks for clearing that up, the list of potential ideas won't be out I gather until 2017, I don't really have any specific idea in mind rather than just been interested in contributing to an opensource project |
| 23:14.27 | terri | But yeah, right now, go get a development environment set up, meet the team, learn about what they want done (and also what they don't want done!) and try to fix some bugs or help them update documentation or whatever. |
| 23:15.14 | terri | Haxxa: yeah, no need for a specific idea yet. Start by fixing known bugs and getting to know the project, and maybe you'll have a defined idea later on once you know what a great feature for that project would look like. :) |
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| 23:18.27 | terri | and since you're early, don't forget that it's totally reasonable to try fixing a bug with a couple of different projects, and choosing the one where you find you like the code or the developers or even the logo the most ;) |
| 23:23.39 | Haxxa | terri, I assume most of last years major Organisations are taking part? It would be a shame to get acquainted with the team to find out they are not participating... Also one final question, given these are real teams & projects often writing software that millions use, I guess a lot of students will get turned down as well? |
| 23:24.11 | meflin | no one knows what orgs will be accepted ... they haven't even apllyed yet |
| 23:24.19 | meflin | any org will gain you valuble skills |
| 23:25.19 | terri | Haxxa: We were looking this up earlier. around 75% of each year's orgs have participated in a previous year, so ther'es definitely some rotation. |
| 23:25.41 | Haxxa | terri, Thanks for all the information |
| 23:26.32 | terri | Haxxa: We don't even apply as orgs until February, but usually you can tell sometime in late January if an org is debating ideas on the mailing lists or whatever. |
| 23:27.37 | terri | Haxxa: and as meflin says, any open source experience will help your application look good and help you know how to ramp up quickly on a new project. :) |
| 23:28.32 | terri | Haxxa: Plus, i can tell you that I've had entire groups decide to get involved in GSoC just because there's a specific student who they want ot hire, so if you make a great impression you might inspire an org to participate. :) |
| 23:28.40 | Haxxa | terri, Will do, I will look to do some basic bug fixes and get familiar with how the process works. |
| 23:29.32 | Haxxa | terri, once again thanks for the information and to @meflin as wlel |
| 23:30.54 | Haxxa | bye o/ |
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