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| 01:16.50 | Robert_S | has a fun surprise for y'all tomorrow morning. |
| 01:20.39 | terri | Robert_S: you've found a way to distribute hot chocolate via irc? ;) |
| 01:21.05 | Robert_S | Better. |
| 01:21.42 | terri | ooh! |
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| 03:00.25 | r0bby | Robert_S: what's the surprise!?!?!? |
| 03:00.47 | r0bby | You're open sourcing the GSoC/GCI webapp finally (I'm not letting up on this one)? |
| 03:01.07 | olly__ | r0bby: if he told us now, it wouldn't be a surprise tomorrow morning |
| 03:01.18 | r0bby | I don't like surprises |
| 03:02.05 | olly__ | opening the webapp seems a good guess to me |
| 03:02.57 | olly | sheds the tail |
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| 03:06.19 | r0bby | olly: it'd certainly shut me up...I been pushing them to do it for a while now since they switched away from melange. |
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| 04:26.34 | downey | !hc |
| 04:26.34 | gsocbot | downey: "hc" is Have some hot chocolate and try to relax! |
| 04:39.26 | r0bby | sighs |
| 04:39.36 | r0bby | I need something to calm me down |
| 04:42.49 | bshah | !hc | r0bby |
| 04:42.50 | gsocbot | r0bby: "hc" is Have some hot chocolate and try to relax! |
| 04:43.04 | r0bby | This year's GCI has me annoyed |
| 04:51.51 | `w` | what type of annoyed |
| 04:55.55 | r0bby | around fairness in the finalist selection process. Things I can't publicly disclose. |
| 04:56.11 | `w` | rip |
| 04:57.06 | `w` | are you a mentor? |
| 04:57.08 | r0bby | In other words, the quality of the body of work isn't being considered...just the quantity. |
| 04:57.14 | r0bby | `w`: yup. |
| 04:57.19 | `w` | ah |
| 04:57.35 | r0bby | I won't say which Org |
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| 04:57.47 | `w` | ok |
| 04:58.07 | r0bby | I'm giving them the chance to potentially fix it. |
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| 10:58.28 | leonidax | hi, I've been reading the GSoC 2017 rules and I was wondering if an administrator can be a mentor at the same time |
| 10:58.55 | denutkarsh | leonidax: No, its against rules |
| 10:59.02 | leonidax | ok |
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| 11:00.02 | olasd | wjhat? |
| 11:00.39 | leonidax | even if the administrator is the mentor substitute? or the second administrator is a mentor? |
| 11:00.52 | leonidax | :/ |
| 11:00.52 | olasd | in previous years an administrator could be a mentor; in small orgs with only 2 students and 2 admins it's even kind of the norm |
| 11:01.01 | denutkarsh | leonidax, https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#can_i_participate_in_gsoc_as_both_a_mentor_and_a_student |
| 11:01.08 | leonidax | yeah we are a small organization |
| 11:01.14 | olasd | denutkarsh: that's mentor and student, not mentor and admin |
| 11:02.06 | denutkarsh | olasd, leonidax: Oh... OK |
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| 11:02.32 | olasd | leonidax: there shouldn't be an issue for an admin to be registered as mentor |
| 11:03.07 | leonidax | cool |
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| 14:44.25 | Freso | If I set the finalist positions now in GCI webapp, can I change it until the 23rd, or will it be fixed? |
| 14:45.59 | antimist- | what's the GCI webapp? |
| 14:46.03 | antimist- | if I may ask |
| 14:46.08 | Freso | https://codein.withgoogle.com/ |
| 14:46.21 | Freso | webapp, website, ... |
| 14:46.22 | antimist- | ah, Code IN |
| 14:46.40 | antimist- | Sorry, was a part of GSOC, not GCI, didn't notice the abbrev |
| 14:47.25 | Freso | "Google Code-in" is literally the first part of the channel's /topic :) |
| 14:48.32 | antimist- | Yeah, I just leave my account parked here |
| 14:48.54 | antimist- | Testing out a ZNC/IRC Bouncer, that's how I noticed your message |
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| 17:01.01 | Robert_S | Freso: You can change. |
| 17:01.52 | Robert_S | https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/01/now-accepting-organization-applications.html |
| 17:03.40 | Robert_S | That has the aforementioned surprise :) |
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| 17:06.09 | Freso | Robert_S: Gracies. :) |
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| 17:11.16 | Robert_S | Freso: Did you look at the post? |
| 17:11.49 | Freso | Robert_S: No, finishing up some GCI stuff so I don't have to think about GCI for a couple of days. :) (My gf has come to Barcelona to visit me.) |
| 17:11.52 | Freso | I'll check now. |
| 17:12.38 | Robert_S | Oh totally focus on your GF. |
| 17:13.04 | zeekhuge | ^ :D |
| 17:13.15 | dpmittal | Lol :D |
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| 17:14.26 | Freso | Robert_S: Read it now! Once my gf is back home in Sweden, I'm going to work on a "post-GCI" MeB blog post to publish on the 30th after you announce the winners. And then I think I will start poking at GSoC application. :) |
| 17:15.24 | Robert_S | Freso: Did you watch the visual part? |
| 17:20.26 | Freso | Robert_S: I did now. :) (I usually skip videos, as I trust the text to deliver the message...) |
| 17:20.35 | Freso | I guess you're referring to guy with funky hair? |
| 17:21.55 | Robert_S | Oh, just the whole video. Wasn't calling out anyone in particular. |
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| 17:26.31 | Freso | Ah. |
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| 17:26.41 | Freso | Well. It was nice to see some familiar faces at least. :) |
| 17:27.11 | Robert_S | :) |
| 17:27.16 | Robert_S | I hope pepole like it. |
| 17:27.30 | Freso | I think we'll be sending someone else to the GCI summit this year, so I won't be seeing them again anytime soon. :'( |
| 17:29.32 | Robert_S | :( |
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| 18:03.48 | MoreshwarDalvi | hello |
| 18:04.45 | MoreshwarDalvi | hello.. |
| 18:05.21 | Freso | "GSoC 2017: Thanks for submitting MetaBrainz Foundation's application" |
| 18:05.29 | Freso | The game... it's on! |
| 18:06.20 | MoreshwarDalvi | can you help me? |
| 18:07.59 | Slurpee | starts gsoc 2017 application |
| 18:08.02 | meflin | ask for what you need help with |
| 18:09.16 | Freso | MoreshwarDalvi: Not if you don't ask for the help you need. |
| 18:10.07 | MoreshwarDalvi | i am trying to fill the Google Summer of Code program |
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| 18:10.22 | Freso | MoreshwarDalvi: As a student? |
| 18:10.28 | MoreshwarDalvi | yes |
| 18:10.36 | Freso | Student application aren't open yet. |
| 18:10.49 | Freso | !timeline |
| 18:10.49 | gsocbot | Freso: "timeline" is (#1) https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline, or (#2) https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/timeline |
| 18:11.10 | MoreshwarDalvi | ohh okay |
| 18:11.11 | Freso | "March 20 16:00 UTC Student application period opens" |
| 18:11.49 | MoreshwarDalvi | okay.. |
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| 18:12.12 | Freso | !studentguide | MoreshwarDalvi |
| 18:12.12 | gsocbot | MoreshwarDalvi: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 18:12.15 | Freso | !support |
| 18:12.15 | gsocbot | Freso: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 18:13.06 | MoreshwarDalvi | right now i am working in a company, so can i apply for google program |
| 18:13.32 | Freso | !rules |
| 18:13.32 | gsocbot | Freso: "rules" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/rules |
| 18:13.36 | Freso | MoreshwarDalvi: ^ |
| 18:16.18 | MoreshwarDalvi | okay.. can you tell me how can i find any other programs of google |
| 18:18.41 | dpmittal | loves this gsocbot |
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| 18:24.23 | ignacio | by googling, srry. |
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| 19:08.13 | Kapil | Thanks |
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| 19:46.39 | terri | Robert_S: omg, the video! Beautiful editing. :) |
| 20:03.42 | Robert_S | terri: So glad you like it! I can only take credit for facilitating it. But I'll relay the message. I'm very happy with how it came out. They did a really nice job gluing it together. |
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| 21:21.13 | jsalsman | what is a proposal tag? Is there any reason I wouldn't want to just use "new feature" and "optimization" if I don't understand how they are used? |
| 21:22.45 | olly | jsalsman: they're perhaps more useful for larger orgs, especially umbrellas |
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| 21:23.15 | terri | yeah, we use them to indicate sub-orgs. Although we ran out of tags last year. ;) |
| 21:23.33 | olly | the limit did seem unhelpfully low |
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| 21:24.47 | terri | It's a shame, though, it really did help manage things when we could use tags |
| 21:25.11 | meflin | did the limit increase? |
| 21:25.15 | terri | we get a giant pile of proposals titled "my project" and until the students change titles as asked, it's hard for mentors to figure out which one they need to review. |
| 21:25.55 | terri | incidentally, students reading this: "my project" is always a terrible title, please don't use it if you want to get good, timely feedback on your project proposal. |
| 21:26.56 | terri | other terrible ones "proposal from <student name>" "Proposal for <org name>" "Idea" "<student name>" "gsoc proposal" "gsoc.doc" |
| 21:27.29 | olly | if you're starting from an idea from the list, just using the title of that is probably a good default |
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| 21:28.28 | jsalsman | so, I went with "new feature", "optimization", and "language support". I think one time we had a documentation project but there aren't any on our current Ideas List. Should I add that anyway? |
| 21:29.02 | olly | documentation projects probably aren't eligible anyway |
| 21:29.11 | jsalsman | right, I remember that now |
| 21:29.16 | terri | I think you can change the tags later if you need to, too |
| 21:29.23 | jsalsman | great! thanks all! |
| 21:33.25 | jsalsman | is it better to just have "please see [url]" linking to our wiki for Application Instructions in the Org Public Profile, or to copy out its text. It's way more than 1500 characters so I really hope the wiki link is ok |
| 21:35.12 | jsalsman | it's kind of weird that there's more characters in the Long Description than Application Instructions..... especially if you want new students to do stuff like fix small bugs as part of their application. Maybe consider upping the Application Instructions to 5000 or 7000 characters? |
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| 21:36.12 | jsalsman | anyway, I'm just linking to the wiki for now but will keep an eye on it before the deadline if it grows. Thanks again everyone! |
| 21:50.24 | Robert_S | terri: I think we raised the limit. |
| 21:50.40 | Robert_S | He's gone, but linking out to instructions is just fine. Probably leads to better documentation. |
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| 22:14.33 | Slurpee | janluca, add a bit of information with link for application instructions. Example, we link to gsoc student docs, new contributor docs, previous proposal, etc. |
| 22:15.01 | Slurpee | We even provide a proposal template that a % of students seem to completely miss ;) |
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| 22:27.52 | olly | Slurpee: wrong auto-complete? |
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| 22:32.36 | tobbi[m] | Hello. For some reason, the logo won't save on our org's application. |
| 22:32.52 | tobbi[m] | It has a size of 256px. |
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| 22:34.24 | Robert_S | tobbi[m]: email the support address with details and screenshots |
| 22:34.40 | tobbi[m] | Okay, will do. |
| 22:35.52 | Slurpee | tobbi[m], there are some fairly specific image upload requirements. Sure you followed all of them? |
| 22:36.00 | tobbi[m] | No, I am not. |
| 22:36.03 | tobbi[m] | But I will check in a minute, |
| 22:37.03 | Tobbi | Robert_S: Last year Google accepted a lot of scientific projects. Since our project is fairly non-scientific, do we have a chance? |
| 22:37.27 | meflin | Tobbi: yes you do |
| 22:37.34 | Tobbi | Alright. |
| 22:37.48 | Tobbi | Anyone heard of SuperTux ;) |
| 22:37.59 | meflin | now and then yes |
| 22:38.15 | Robert_S | What meflin said. |
| 22:38.29 | gevaerts | bets that less than half organisations last year were non-scientific |
| 22:38.47 | gevaerts | This *must* mean that scientific organisations didn't really have a chance! :) |
| 22:38.59 | Tobbi | Okay, I guess I am biased. |
| 22:39.07 | Tobbi | Since we didn't get accepted last year. |
| 22:39.14 | Tobbi | Sorry :) |
| 22:39.34 | valorie | everybody has a chance! |
| 22:39.47 | terri | Robert_S: yeay for raised limits! I'm sure I'll find something to grouse about tomorrow after I've done the initial application anyhow, though. we're such an edge case. ;) |
| 22:40.33 | Tobbi | terri: What's your project? |
| 22:40.52 | meflin | python |
| 22:41.58 | Tobbi | Ah, nice. |
| 22:42.07 | Tobbi | Python should definitely stand a chance. |
| 22:44.03 | meflin | everyone has a chance |
| 22:44.34 | meflin | everyone also has a chance of turning in a not good enough app |
| 22:44.35 | Tobbi | Sorry. |
| 22:44.39 | Slurpee | Tobbi, SuperTux is similar to NES Mario Brothers, but with Tux replacing Mario in character? |
| 22:44.54 | Tobbi | Slurpee: Yes. |
| 22:45.02 | Slurpee | Tobbi, looks cool. Checking out website. |
| 22:45.20 | Slurpee | Tobbi, it only runs in Win/Mac? |
| 22:45.27 | Tobbi | Slurpee: No, it originates with Linux :D |
| 22:45.34 | Tobbi | So, it runs on all OSes. |
| 22:45.36 | Tobbi | Well, the major ones. |
| 22:46.15 | Slurpee | Tobbi, checking out the code. Looks fun to play with and code :) |
| 22:46.26 | Tobbi | Slurpee: We're always looking for coders :D |
| 22:46.35 | gevaerts | sees that it runs on haiku, so everyone in this channel should be happy :) |
| 22:47.10 | perepujal | My child loved the SuperTux level editor more than Tux Paint ;) |
| 22:48.10 | Tobbi | perepujal: Which level editor are we talking about? Last time I counted there were at least 3 :D |
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| 22:48.53 | perepujal | Don't know, it was installed with Debian I think |
| 22:49.10 | Tobbi | How long ago approx? |
| 22:49.14 | Tobbi | This might be the very old one. |
| 22:49.28 | Tobbi | Does anyone know how I can verify the bit depth of an image? |
| 22:49.30 | perepujal | 5 years maybe... |
| 22:49.35 | Tobbi | Hmm... |
| 22:49.49 | Tobbi | I guess that might be either the 1.0 level editor or the external one... |
| 22:50.09 | terri | Tobbi: if you want the highest chance of getting in, get some other folk to review your ideas page before the deadline. It makes a huge difference, and lots of the regulars on this channel are the right combo of nosy and helpful to make a difference. ;) |
| 22:50.13 | olly | Tobbi: identify from imagemagick/graphicsmagick |
| 22:50.23 | Tobbi | olly: Okay, I'll try. |
| 22:50.27 | Tobbi | terri: I will try. |
| 22:50.28 | Tobbi | :) |
| 22:50.53 | Tobbi | I sincerely hope I can find the time to mentor... |
| 22:50.58 | olly | it's also fairly competitive - not getting selected doesn't necessarily mean your application wasn't good enough |
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| 22:53.13 | terri | Python started doing more intense reviews for our sub-org ideas pages a few years back, and we learned that it's really easy for people to forget useful info and details and proofreading that can take their page to "ok I guess" to "students are going to be really excited about this project" |
| 22:53.47 | terri | Getting someone who doesn't know your project very well tends to find a lot of that kind of thing |
| 22:55.10 | olly | it can also be enlightening to look at ideas pages for other orgs, as you'll see them more like a newcomer would |
| 23:01.50 | valorie | amen to that |
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| 23:19.55 | terri | Also, I'm always surprised by how few people put pictures on their ideas pages. Like, sure, lots of code doesn't need it, but if you're writing code for a visualizer? an image analyzer? graphing software? a game? |
| 23:25.02 | valorie | I don't think we've ever done that |
| 23:25.05 | valorie | but it's a good idea |
| 23:25.38 | valorie | I'll suggest it and add it to the suggested layout |
| 23:46.08 | Tobbi | BTW: The reason why I couldn|t upload a logo was that I was apparently logged out again. |
| 23:46.17 | Robert_S | again? |
| 23:46.26 | Tobbi | Eh. For some reason, I was logged out... |
| 23:46.39 | Tobbi | automatically, it appears. |
| 23:47.36 | Tobbi | No idea. But anyway, it worked now. |
| 23:52.55 | Robert_S | Weird. |