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| 12:10.15 | jarvisluong | hi |
| 12:10.20 | jarvisluong | I'm so new here |
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| 12:22.46 | brainbreaker[m] | jarvisluong: Hi, we all have been new at some point of time. ;) |
| 12:22.50 | brainbreaker[m] | What are you interested in? |
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| 12:26.30 | jarvisluong | oh hi I have a deep interest in iOS Developement |
| 12:26.54 | jarvisluong | I tried to make some iOS apps on my own but I haven't submitted any of them to Apple lol |
| 12:30.49 | brainbreaker[m] | Great! So, I guess you're looking for doing iOS projects in GSoC? |
| 12:33.24 | jarvisluong | Yep |
| 12:33.28 | jarvisluong | I would prefer Swift |
| 12:33.41 | jarvisluong | though Objective C would also be okay |
| 12:33.58 | jarvisluong | how about you @brainbreaker ? |
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| 12:36.07 | brainbreaker[m] | So you can take a look at iOS projects from past year GSoC archives. Find the one you're interested in and start coding! |
| 12:36.13 | brainbreaker[m] | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/archive/search/?q=iOS+development |
| 12:36.46 | brainbreaker[m] | I find myself comfortable in Android. |
| 12:38.22 | jarvisluong | Aren't we waiting until 27th Feb to have the list of this year's projects? |
| 12:42.58 | brainbreaker[m] | Yes, but most of the time projects chosen last year are taken forward next year as well. It's good to start exploring early. |
| 12:54.25 | jarvisluong | Hmm so do I understand this right?: We suggest a new project? Or the organization has already had some for us? |
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| 13:03.16 | pombreda | jarvisluong: the orgs and mentors maintain their list of project ideas. You can come with your own, but usually I will be more interested when you submit a proposal for a project that I think is useful and needed |
| 13:03.52 | pombreda | rather than something off this list... though new ideas (at least for me) are always welcomd |
| 13:04.28 | jarvisluong | For example, with an iOS app, I can suggest a new feature? |
| 13:05.16 | pombreda | jarvisluong: an iOS app is a pretty vague topic. You will need to find an org that has an interest and a need for this |
| 13:05.41 | pombreda | jarvisluong: saying I want to build an iOS app is as vague as saying "a web app" |
| 13:06.27 | pombreda | for instance, in the orgs I admin or mentor with, I cannot fathom what we could do with an iOS app :P |
| 13:07.21 | pombreda | so my advice if you want to increase your chances to get a proposal accepted: think about finding the intersection between what you like to do and what an org needs |
| 13:07.44 | pombreda | jarvisluong: and the focus should be on the later: what the org needs |
| 13:08.01 | pombreda | first! and not necessarily what you want to do |
| 13:08.18 | jarvisluong | hmm |
| 13:08.23 | pombreda | because as an org admin/mentor I care for what I need first and not for what you want :) |
| 13:08.29 | pombreda | simple and clear |
| 13:09.18 | pombreda | so if you do not appeal to any org, then your proposal whatever merits it may have, will have 99.999% chances to be ignored |
| 13:10.13 | jarvisluong | pombreda: can I take a look at your org as well? :-) |
| 13:10.18 | pombreda | at some level, your interests are not interesting unless they intersect with the needs of an org |
| 13:10.58 | jarvisluong | Well I'm really new to this. I really want some help to understand how the search for orgs and projects work |
| 13:12.42 | pombreda | jarvisluong: sure: see https://github.com/nexB/aboutcode/wiki/GSOC-2017 and https://sourceforge.net/p/strace/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2017/ and http://wiki.spdx.org/view/Technical_Team/Ideas_List |
| 13:16.26 | pombreda | jarvisluong: things are simple: imagine you are a uni prof applying for a research grant to an org that funds research on growing potatoes |
| 13:16.59 | pombreda | yet, you submit a proposal for interesting research on growing bananas |
| 13:17.20 | pombreda | jarvisluong: will this be received by this org favorably? |
| 13:17.46 | pombreda | jarvisluong: will you receive funding there? |
| 13:17.49 | pombreda | no |
| 13:18.01 | jarvisluong | pombreda: lol I like this demonstration |
| 13:18.02 | PulkoMandy | "but bananas are cool!" |
| 13:18.13 | pombreda | well they sure are, but I do potatoes |
| 13:18.15 | pombreda | :D |
| 13:18.50 | jarvisluong | but if I propose a way of growing potatoes without soil then that is ideal? lmao |
| 13:18.54 | pombreda | so my point is not to bother applying to a potatoes org with banana projects in most cases |
| 13:19.46 | pombreda | though I may care sometimes for banatoes |
| 13:20.01 | pombreda | and potanana |
| 13:20.42 | PulkoMandy | there are a lot of organizations participating, so it's quite likely that you can find something that matches with your interests I think |
| 13:20.52 | pombreda | PulkoMandy: e.g. an org and its mentors may not care in 99% for the cool factor if this does not contribute selfishly to their project |
| 13:21.00 | pombreda | PulkoMandy: yes |
| 13:21.35 | jarvisluong | pombreda: for example, do I need to be a damn expert to propose to your org? |
| 13:22.14 | PulkoMandy | no, GSoC is for students, we expect you to have knowledge level of a student, not an expert |
| 13:22.24 | pombreda | jarvisluong: nope, as long as you can demonstrate that you have made the effort to understand things and show what you could do |
| 13:23.02 | PulkoMandy | during a GSoC project you will be assigned a mentor who can help you with technical problems |
| 13:23.03 | pombreda | jarvisluong: if you apply to strace you need to know how to spelll syscalls |
| 13:23.55 | pombreda | jarvisluong: on spdx and aboutcode, the bar is a tad lower, but in all case you need to demonstrate intereest, some understanding and the willingness to learn with enthusiasm |
| 13:24.12 | jarvisluong | pombreda: Is my way of understanding that to be Linux commands right? |
| 13:24.19 | jarvisluong | ^ about syscalls |
| 13:24.48 | pombreda | jarvisluong: well at some very basic level, yes. This is were you would need to do your own research |
| 13:25.52 | pombreda | jarvisluong: but IMHO if you do not understand what a syscall is you are likely neither a fit nor someone that could be interested in starce in most cases |
| 13:26.02 | pombreda | *strace |
| 13:27.15 | jarvisluong | got it |
| 13:27.21 | jarvisluong | so clear now |
| 13:28.10 | jarvisluong | Anw, where can I find such documentations about early orgs like yours? |
| 13:29.09 | pombreda | search for "gsoc 2016" on the web, check the last year gsoc site. |
| 13:29.31 | pombreda | actually "gsoc 2017" |
| 13:30.05 | pombreda | All candidate orgs for 2017 have published their stuff at this stage since the submission closed thursday |
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| 13:41.47 | nsurampu | Hi! I am new to open source contributions. Can anyone guide me with respect to contributing to any orgnisations? |
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| 13:49.26 | georgejsh | Hi |
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| 14:14.39 | pombreda | nsurampu: search the web and read articles. For instance: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-participate-or-contribute-in-open-source-projects |
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| 14:15.06 | pombreda | you have to learn for yourself first. |
| 14:15.58 | PulkoMandy | too late, already left :) |
| 14:16.17 | jarvisluong | I'm still here :D |
| 14:16.22 | jarvisluong | enjoying |
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| 14:16.54 | PulkoMandy | learning how to use IRC seems to be the hardest step of getting into open source projects :p |
| 14:17.25 | ss96 | indeed XD |
| 14:17.36 | jarvisluong | well at least I'm getting a bit of it |
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| 14:17.57 | ss96 | yay :P |
| 14:18.04 | jarvisluong | irc > normal chat apps |
| 14:18.06 | jarvisluong | :p |
| 14:18.14 | ss96 | aye aye captain. |
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