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| 00:07.42 | gsdev | So last year, there were 5,107 students who submitted 7,543 proposals. 1,206 students were accepted. Interesting... |
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| 00:11.47 | olly | gsdev: there's a thick seam of junk proposals at the bottom every year though, so dividing one number by another number means little |
| 00:12.43 | olly | some students just don't "get it", so you get proposals to write you an accounting system or a social media website |
| 00:13.02 | olly | presumably sent verbatim to 4 other orgs |
| 00:13.33 | olly | and just cut and pasting the text of the idea from the list and adding a brief bio is popular too |
| 00:13.54 | gsdev_ | oh wow haha |
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| 04:03.20 | amitkm9204 | #ubuntu |
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| 04:53.58 | naga | can we participate in along with the summer internship at a different organization? |
| 04:58.19 | valorie | naga: unlikely |
| 04:58.34 | valorie | GSoC is the equivalent of a full-time job |
| 04:59.11 | naga | thanks for info: ) |
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| 05:05.13 | r0bby | Is it wrong to publicly shame really low quality proposals to show students what NOT to do? |
| 05:05.27 | r0bby | Jus had a student submit his final year project proposal -- didnt even change a thing |
| 05:05.34 | r0bby | No contact with us whatsoever |
| 05:08.17 | valorie | I wouldn't do that |
| 05:08.29 | valorie | but icky |
| 05:09.10 | r0bby | It is SO bad |
| 05:09.37 | r0bby | Like do they think it's actually gonna work? |
| 05:13.00 | valorie | I don't think so |
| 05:13.27 | valorie | "but I sent in a proposal to GSoC" |
| 05:13.55 | valorie | obv. they don't care, don't want to work, don't want to understand anything about the contest |
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| 05:13.58 | valorie | etc. |
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| 05:24.50 | olly | or "apply to gsoc" is the homework assignment for a class they're doing |
| 05:24.56 | olly | so they ticked the box |
| 05:26.24 | valorie | sadly that is possible |
| 05:26.27 | valorie | ugh |
| 05:28.17 | olly | i don't think public shaming serves a useful purpose either FWIW |
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| 05:30.38 | r0bby | It's so sad. |
| 05:30.51 | r0bby | Sometimes public shaming is a deterrent |
| 05:30.58 | r0bby | I wont do it in this case |
| 05:33.36 | valorie | it doesn't work for spam |
| 05:35.47 | r0bby | :/ |
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| 07:43.14 | Reho | hey guyzz |
| 07:44.08 | Reho | any one online |
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| 07:49.47 | gsocbot | r0bby: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 07:49.57 | r0bby | !ask | Reho |
| 07:49.57 | gsocbot | Reho: "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
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| 09:26.33 | micky | hey |
| 09:26.51 | micky | Anyone from india here?? |
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| 09:44.17 | ma08 | micky: yes |
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| 09:58.23 | micky | hey |
| 10:00.14 | micky | anyone help me about what kind of prposal i can submit |
| 10:01.17 | ma08 | ideally you should go through the list of proposals each organization puts up, get in contact with the organization regarding the project you feel like is suited to you and discuss regarding the proposal |
| 10:01.22 | panzone | what do you mean with "kind of proposal"? |
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| 10:02.05 | micky | its the first time i m going to try gsoc |
| 10:02.24 | micky | so i hv no idea where to start |
| 10:03.14 | micky | i m not very good at programming |
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| 10:09.22 | sanju | can someone help me to get started |
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| 10:23.13 | fillyh | as a mentor, can I see if a student proposed for multiple organizations? |
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| 10:44.17 | Freso | fillyh: No. |
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| 10:47.15 | fillyh | Freso: ok thanks |
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| 10:50.53 | inf3cti0n95 | Hello There |
| 10:51.08 | inf3cti0n95 | Can Anyone Help me Filling the Registration Form? |
| 10:51.32 | inf3cti0n95 | I keep getting Some Kind of error. |
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| 11:11.11 | dip | HELP |
| 11:11.22 | jn__ | dip: with what? |
| 11:11.29 | jn__ | !faq | dip |
| 11:11.29 | gsocbot | dip: "faq" is https://g.co/gsoc/faq |
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| 11:11.40 | dip | hi i am new to gsoc |
| 11:11.49 | dip | how can i join it? |
| 11:11.56 | dip | what should i have to do |
| 11:13.58 | dip | is there anyone? |
| 11:14.21 | jn__ | for a start, read the faq and the student guide |
| 11:14.28 | jn__ | !studentguide | dip |
| 11:14.28 | gsocbot | dip: "studentguide" is https://g.co/gsoc/studentmanual |
| 11:14.48 | jn__ | dip: yes. there are people here. please don't be so impatient |
| 11:15.02 | dip | yeah i read it i want to know that what to include in the proposal |
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| 11:16.19 | jn__ | dip: see http://write.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/writing-a-proposal/ |
| 11:16.52 | jn__ | and please start talking to the organizations that you're interested in |
| 11:17.13 | dip | can i get a sample template anywhere which will help me ? |
| 11:19.08 | Freso | dip: Each org. has their own template. |
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| 11:22.31 | inf3cti0n95 | Is there any issue with the Student Registration Form? |
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| 13:16.06 | harshsh | can we proposed our idea ? |
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| 15:36.55 | Vel0city | What happens if multiple organizations accept my proposal? Can I choose my preference then? |
| 15:37.18 | SIELA1915_ | first one who accepts gets it i think |
| 15:38.16 | Vel0city | So, accepting happens after the application date ends? Or during? |
| 15:38.46 | Vel0city | Because if it's the second thing I apply in order of preference |
| 15:38.51 | Vel0city | *I can |
| 15:38.56 | meflin | after |
| 15:39.03 | Vel0city | ah |
| 15:39.27 | Vel0city | So there's not way to prioritize is there |
| 15:39.48 | meflin | yes there is ... do not apply for a project you do not want to work on :) |
| 15:40.15 | Vel0city | It's not a binary thing! I prefer some projects over others that's all :) |
| 15:41.09 | Vel0city | Thank you for the help anyway :P |
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| 16:19.06 | squimrel | Will other people than the org I apply to review the draft I publish on summerofcode? |
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| 18:25.23 | PulkoMandy | squimrel: no, only the org mentors |
| 18:25.33 | PulkoMandy | unless you share the link to your proposal draft elsewhere |
| 18:25.46 | PulkoMandy | (it is just a google doc and everyone with the link get access to it I think) |
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| 18:49.26 | benstrumental | How are organizations handling requests-for-proposal-reviews? Do they have students explicitly request review publicly / directly, or do they just provide feedback on any proposals submitted online? |
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| 18:54.20 | PulkoMandy | benstrumental: each org decides how to handle that |
| 18:54.58 | PulkoMandy | in our case we try to review all submitted proposals, but there is no notification for changes, so it's maybe better if the student ping our mailing list and ask for comments there too |
| 18:55.04 | benstrumental | PulkoMandy -- sorry I wasn't clear. I understand that, I'm just asking other orgs what they have decided to do, and what is working for them... maybe a better question for the mailing list |
| 18:55.11 | PulkoMandy | (it can be interesting to get some info from people other than mentors anyway) |
| 18:55.20 | Robert_S | notifications for changes would be a nightmare. :) |
| 18:55.31 | PulkoMandy | probably |
| 18:55.40 | benstrumental | Is there a way a student can flag their proposal as "ready-to-review"? |
| 18:55.55 | Robert_S | benstrumental: That's what submit draft _is_. |
| 18:56.07 | Robert_S | Er. |
| 18:56.12 | Robert_S | That's what _share draft_ is. |
| 18:56.35 | benstrumental | oh, so we can request changes, they can un-share their draft, make changes, and then set it as draft again for review? |
| 18:56.47 | Robert_S | Draft's can't be unshared. |
| 18:56.58 | Robert_S | Sorry, you're at a different stage than I thought you were. |
| 18:57.06 | Robert_S | If you use Google Docs, then you get notified when a comment is resolved. |
| 18:57.15 | Robert_S | But you know, there's also email and they can tell you "please review again" :) |
| 18:57.24 | benstrumental | can final/draft be toggled? |
| 18:57.50 | benstrumental | yeah.. it's looking like direct emails may be the best approach |
| 18:58.03 | Robert_S | No. Final/draft can't be toggled. |
| 18:58.36 | panzone | so if a student sends a proposal as "final", that can't be changed? |
| 18:58.59 | Robert_S | Final shouldn't / can't get looked at until after the end of the proposal period. |
| 18:59.06 | Robert_S | Final PDF can be uploaded as many times as they wan't. |
| 18:59.38 | panzone | yes, I mean "as I student, I can change a "final" proposal?" |
| 18:59.43 | panzone | thanks |
| 18:59.45 | Robert_S | panzone: Yes. |
| 19:00.14 | benstrumental | hm, we have 2 students that marked their proposals as final, without receiving any feedback from mentors yet.. |
| 19:00.33 | benstrumental | but I guess we can still give feedback |
| 19:00.50 | Robert_S | benstrumental: Did they share drafts? |
| 19:01.10 | benstrumental | yeah, so we still can comment on the google doc |
| 19:01.23 | Robert_S | Exactly. |
| 19:01.31 | Robert_S | But the concept is you make the final decision based on the PDF. |
| 19:01.39 | Robert_S | That was our "line in the sand" around standardization. |
| 19:01.45 | benstrumental | understood |
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| 19:03.30 | benstrumental | thanks Robert_S! |
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| 19:04.18 | Robert_S | np |
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| 21:05.00 | Jay__ | Can someone tell me more about how the mentors and students interact? |
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| 21:06.58 | Jay__ | Do the mentors teach the student how to carry out their proposal, or are they a guiding hand for a student who already knows approximately how to do their project? |
| 21:08.02 | PulkoMandy | it depends on the student, the mentors try to help in the most useful way |
| 21:09.41 | Jay__ | About how much should participating students already know before submitting a proposal? |
| 21:10.54 | terri | Depends on the project. Some require some domain-specific knowledge, some are suitable for students who are basically beginners. |
| 21:11.02 | PulkoMandy | you can start with nothing, if you are able to do your own research for obvious things and ask the mentors when you can't find an answer |
| 21:11.17 | PulkoMandy | but yes, some projects may be harder than others to handle this way |
| 21:11.29 | terri | Usually by the time you submit a proposal, projects expect you to be able to set up your dev environment and make some code changes, but they're happy to help you learn that during the weeks before proposals are due. |
| 21:12.05 | olly | you should expect to need to do some research to put together the proposal, which the mentors should help with |
| 21:13.40 | Jay__ | If I've never contributed to an open source project before and I don't know how, what would you recommend I do? |
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| 21:14.13 | olly | pick an org from the list that sounds interesting to you and go and talk to them |
| 21:14.53 | olly | probably the majority of students haven't contributed before |
| 21:17.31 | PulkoMandy | also read the student guide if you didn't yet |
| 21:17.37 | PulkoMandy | !studentguide | Jay__ |
| 21:17.37 | gsocbot | Jay__: "studentguide" is https://g.co/gsoc/studentmanual |
| 21:17.51 | Jay__ | I read the studentguide |
| 21:18.58 | terri | And expect to spend more time hands-on learning by trying to do things that you will getting answers from people on IRC. And I'm not saying that to be mean, it's that a lot of students are used to being told exactly what to do in academia, and you have to expect that you'll get a bit less direction in this job than you might be used to. :) |
| 21:19.33 | valorie | ++ to what terri said |
| 21:19.38 | terri | It's ok and normal to muddle through a while and just pause to ask questions when you get stuck. |
| 21:20.03 | valorie | just remember to ask when you *do* get stuck |
| 21:20.08 | valorie | because you will get stuck |
| 21:20.30 | Platonides | indeed |
| 21:20.43 | Platonides | expect that you will be expected to look up things on your own |
| 21:20.47 | Jay__ | Thanks, that's very helpful. |
| 21:20.52 | Platonides | but feel free to ask at tha same time :) |
| 21:21.09 | PulkoMandy | there's a balance to find here |
| 21:22.07 | Jay__ | Just so that I'm understanding right: I will be able to ask for help from my mentor when I can't find what I need online. Even if that's pretty often? |
| 21:22.59 | PulkoMandy | yes, but not too often :) |
| 21:23.08 | terri | Jay__: Yup, but they'll appreciate it if you amke some effort to find the answer yourself first. :) |
| 21:23.24 | PulkoMandy | usually the mentor has a full time job in parallel and may not be in the same timezone as you, so there could also be communication delays |
| 21:23.42 | Jay__ | Thank you very much! That's very, very helpful. |
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| 22:05.37 | squimrel | PulkoMandy: so I'm allowed to use any other method to publish my draft |
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| 22:13.18 | valorie | squimrel: yes, via mail list or text file or or or -- whatever is convenient to you and the team you want to work with |
| 22:13.51 | olly | chisel it into stone tablets and hide in an ancient tomb |
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| 22:19.25 | valorie | olly: good call! gamify All The Things |
| 22:20.07 | light_ | hello |
| 22:20.35 | light_ | about age, what if you're not already 18 but you're already and undergraduate? |
| 22:21.05 | olly | light_: if your birthday is before the deadline for student apps, you can register on your birthday |
| 22:21.17 | olly | otherwise you'll have to wait until next year I'm afraid |
| 22:22.32 | light_ | I tried registering with my birthday but it refuse :-`( |
| 22:22.50 | olly | when is your 18th birthday |
| 22:23.42 | light_ | next year 9 feb |
| 22:23.54 | olly | ok, then you aren't eligible for this year |
| 22:24.05 | olly | but you would be next year |
| 22:24.22 | olly | (assuming same age requirements next year, which seems likely) |
| 22:24.46 | olly | you can still get involved with an open source project of course |
| 22:25.23 | Platonides | that would also help your odds that you are able to prepare a betproposal next year |
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| 22:25.26 | Platonides | *better |
| 22:26.00 | light_ | @olly how to do so ? |
| 22:26.28 | olly | find one you like and go and talk to them |
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| 22:27.59 | olly | most welcome new contributors, but perhaps a good place to start is ones which are in gsoc this year or have taken part before |
| 22:29.38 | valorie | light_: see https://openhatch.org/ which specializes in finding a good fit between you and a welcoming org |
| 22:33.08 | light_ | ok , then if I find the one I like, will they assume the same conditions as told in the doc? |
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| 22:39.30 | light_ | valorie: thanks for the link |
| 22:39.38 | valorie | you are welcome |
| 22:39.46 | valorie | openhatch are wonderful people |
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