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00:23.00*** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code | Student Registration ends April 3rd @ 16:00 UTC | https://g.co/gsoc
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01:44.01stargazer180trivial question: How many people apply for GSoC each year? I haven't seen any official stats for this..
01:46.32olly!numapps | stargazer180
01:46.33gsocbotstargazer180: "numapps" is 2016: 178/369 orgs; 1206/7543 proposals, 5107 students. 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 props, 4425 students. 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 props, 4420 students. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 props, 4144 students. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 props, 4258 students. 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 props, 3731 students. 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 props, 3464 students
01:47.14ollydividing numbers by other numbers doesn't tell you anything very useful about your "chances" though
01:55.54stargazer180that's aight olly
01:56.26stargazer180its just fascinating how so many people are connected by the Open-source community
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02:11.42TimBoexHello everyone!
02:15.18TimBoexWhere does one find some sample project ideas? I want to make sure that mine is up to par with others.
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02:23.11olly!studentguide | TimBoex
02:23.11gsocbotTimBoex: "studentguide" is https://g.co/gsoc/studentmanual
02:23.13ollythere are a couple in the back of that
02:24.31ollythough they are from nearly a decade ago, and the bar of expectations has risen somewhat - they're rather briefer than I'd expect to see these days
02:25.15ollyyou can probably find more recent ones with a web search engine - some students make theirs public (and some orgs require that)
02:25.53ollyTimBoex: hmm, I assume you meant sample *proposals*?
02:26.14ollyfor project ideas, each org has a list of suggested ones
02:27.15stargazer180TimBoex I think you should ask the mentors over at the organisation you want to apply for as well. They may show yo some sample proposals if its okay with them.
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02:35.45TimBoexOk thanks everyone,  another quick question.  Do we have to attempt to work on the bug before the application or are we just choosing the ones that interest us?
02:36.41TimBoexBecause I am looking at Scikit-learn for python and they are looking for people to work on bugs or implementations, but I just don't know if they want me to start working on it before hand
02:37.41ollyTimBoex: probably a question for them
02:37.52TimBoexThanks olly
02:38.55ollythough to make a difference to your appliation you need to have done the work on it when they're reviewing proposals after applications close
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02:59.51shobiHi!! this is shobika, pursuing my second year B.Tech in Information Technology. I have some queries regarding gsoc. What are the works that a student will do being a part of gsoc???
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04:06.10ollyhmm, i just invited a mentor and got an "are you sure" dialog - i could swear that didn't happen when I invited another earlier today
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04:11.16ollyRobert_S: as an admin, my dashboard shows "NEXT 4th April Slot Requests", but I think that should be 17th (4th is the student application deadline)
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05:59.25naveen17797Should i need to include community bonding period in my time linr
05:59.29naveen17797Line
06:04.51Cervatornaveen17797: you could, especially if you want to have a particular focus yourself, like preparing for the work period by working with specific contributors on prerequisites
06:05.50naveen17797Thanks
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07:38.53bhasky93Hi
07:40.27bhasky93I am not a student and not pursuing any graduation right now. Currently, I am working in a software company. Can I also apply for GSOC as a students?
07:40.30bhasky93I am not a student and not pursuing any graduation right now. Currently, I am working in a software company. Can I also apply for GSOC as a student?
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07:45.10bhasky93Hi
07:45.16bhasky93I am not a student and not pursuing any graduation right now. Currently, I am working in a software company. Can I also apply for GSOC as a student?
07:46.23l4rrybhasky93: read your questioin again and you’ll see the answer. You are a perfect example of  very ineligible
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07:46.56l4rrybhasky93: even when you are a student and have another job or internship, you are not eligible
07:47.33l4rrybhasky93: not been a student makes it final. you are not eligible. I’ll recommend you apply as a mentor instead
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07:53.29bhasky93Ohh Ok. I thought that since it is related more to open source contribution, anyone can join GOSC, because no one would reject the chance of working under great organizations with mentors who have already contributed a lot to open source community.
07:53.58bhasky93l4rry: Ohh Ok. I thought that since it is related more to open source contribution, anyone can join GOSC, because no one would reject the chance of working under great organizations with mentors who have already contributed a lot to open source community.
07:54.17bhasky93l4rry: Anyway, Thank you for clarification.
07:54.29l4rrybhasky93: its meant to introduce students to open source
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07:55.00l4rrybhasky93: you can get involved with open source at anytime you wish and you’ll still have access to these mentors
07:55.45l4rrybhasky93: googles just going extra miles to motivate students. its not like the mentors you get during the program are different from everyday contributors of the project
07:59.21bhasky93l4rry: Yeah!, I agree with you. That is the way now I am left with :)
07:59.38l4rrybhasky93: :)
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08:29.42aman_d1996if i submit a final proposal, and later i wish to change it before deadline, will i be allowed to change the final proposal again?
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08:42.40pradyunsgaman_d1996: You can.
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10:16.47pyc0d3rhello there
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13:05.03facybercan anybody tell me when I translate school letter confirmation that proves I'm a their student, can it be for example just editet photo with content on english, or it can be simple translated text, well formated?
13:11.40intrigus!proof facyber
13:11.44intrigus!support facyber
13:11.58intrigus!prrof | facyber
13:12.05intrigus!proof | facyber
13:12.05gsocbotfacyber: "proof" is If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved.
13:12.17intrigus!support | facyber
13:12.19gsocbotfacyber: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com.
13:13.11facyberOh I apologize, I thought this question could be solved here. I apologize once again.
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14:00.26pradyunsgintrugus: What's the time frame? Getting rejected due to incorrect paperwork would be a bummer so...
14:00.54pradyunsg*intrigus (my bad)
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15:13.15Fresopradyunsg: If a student submits incorrect paperwork, they'll get time to sort it out once Google has reviewed the first round.
15:13.46FresoBut there's no reason to review paperwork from students who do not even submit an application at all, so they won't be reviewing anything until after the submission deadline.
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15:15.39pradyunsgFreso: Awesome! Thanks! ^.^
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17:37.25PhilBackAny takers for some Pharo fun? https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6491780443799552/
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17:46.08sumit_what is the profit of submiting all five proposals?
17:47.15meflinquality of the submission is the only thing that maters ... very few people can make 2 quality submissions
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20:14.15pombredastill cannot fathom why so many students submit mostly empty, junk proposals, even after many years as an admin or mentor. And why they seem to come mostly from one locale.
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20:14.31pombredaa definite head scratcher
20:15.08meflinthe power of positive pessimism .. makes it simple to sort the proposal list :D
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20:15.26pombredameflin: indeed
20:16.19pombredameflin: this would be a great research topic for a social scientist IMHO
20:17.20PulkoMandyI wonder why we don't get any of those in our org
20:17.27pombredaand even worth, most of the junk proposals are not open for draft feedback, so there is no oppty to help these poor souls improve
20:17.29PulkoMandy(well, not yet, at least)
20:17.47meflinMDO ( the most desirable orginization )  was created after a applicant  sent proposals to many dozens ( perhaps  all ) orgs with an automated program
20:17.50pombredaPulkoMandy: we received 17 such
20:18.04meflinirony showed a bit of skill in the spaming :D
20:18.11pombreda:D
20:18.14pombredaa keeper!
20:18.54PulkoMandywell, a bit only. I think his program failed to replace "most desirable organization" with the actual org name in his template
20:19.23meflinPulkoMandy: file a bug report ! ;)
20:19.46pombreda:D
20:20.43PulkoMandymh… I see that we just got one proposal which is mostly copy-paste of the title of one of our ideas
20:20.57pombredaanother interesting pattern: I did some rotation of which project ideas is at the top of our page. And this correlates directly with receiving more or less interest from students for the top project
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20:21.23pombredawhich is a well know thing, but funny nonetheless
20:21.33PulkoMandysounds like a too long ideas page :)
20:21.33gsocerhi
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20:25.25vivekpsorry, wrong chan (please ignore)
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20:30.39ma08Iff it's any consolation, I submitted a proposal which was at the bottom of the ideas list of the org :). makes me proud
20:32.33pombredaPulkoMandy: nah not that long. but even then placement of ideas drives more or less interest.
20:33.14PulkoMandywell  checked our ideas list and the most popular one is roughly in the middle
20:33.15pombredama08: that's the spirit. especially in our case. The placement is rather random.
20:33.56PulkoMandy(and fortunately we can easily have multiple students working on it)
20:34.40pombredaPulkoMandy: I always tried to stay away from that. this can work but increases the coordination effeorts imho
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20:35.15ma08I was lucky to maintain a line of communication with the mentors from february end giving me ample time to discuss, hopefully I make the cut. The key thing I found was communication. If you are strong at that, you have a good chance.
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20:36.11SIELA1915_notes all this stuff for in... *calculates* 3 years...
20:36.15SIELA1915_good luck ma08 :D
20:36.15PulkoMandypombreda: well, in this case, it should work (adding more file systems to our operating system, with each student working on a different filesystem it should be ok)
20:36.29PulkoMandyhowever, we will need to have enough mentors for all of them
20:36.30pombredama08: way to go. a good brain and a good attitude matters to me. Everything else can be learned
20:37.00PulkoMandyand yes, communication
20:37.00pombredaPulkoMandy: and enough slots ;)
20:37.08pombredayep
20:37.28PulkoMandypombreda: that too, but if we don't have the mentors we won't request the slots. One step at a time
20:37.41pombreda:) of course
20:38.28ma08pombreda: SIELA1915_: thanks :). Most of the mentors I see in this channel and the ones from the org I am applying are really helpful. Thanks for your patience in guiding students :)
20:40.41ma08I feel embarrassed for not doing gsoc earlier seeing how smooth rewarding the process is. Even if I don't make the cut, I am sure I will contribute in some way to the org which serves the purpose of gsoc I guess
20:40.43ma08*smooth and
20:40.59pombredama08: :)
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