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| 00:31.01 | Jaskirat_ | olly: yeah ..! But i think if different accounts then name also might needs to be different !! |
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| 11:52.10 | qaiseralikhan | HELP |
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| 15:16.10 | CarlFK | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/dashboard/proposals/shared/ one of the columns is "Organization" - who is that for? |
| 15:16.41 | CarlFK | and really, can I get a "number of mentors assigned" column added? |
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| 18:48.18 | MaxD | Org Admins: is it acceptable to ask how many slots you got approved for? |
| 18:48.50 | meflin | its not forbien I find it very anoying .. its also useless information |
| 18:51.40 | MaxD | Thanks @meflin. I'll try not to ask, but it feels like a long way away until April 23rd...but you're right, it does seem useless |
| 18:51.59 | meflin | get to work :) works either way |
| 18:53.28 | MaxD | Haha, true |
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| 18:59.39 | braverock_wk | MaxD: completed projects from prior years are on the GSoC website. so you can back into the distribution from the normal 1-2 for a 'new' org to larger numbers for an established org with big mentor teams and a track record |
| 19:00.44 | braverock_wk | a 'new' org that asked for 10 slots is still only going to get 1-2, no matter how much they wanted more... you kind of need to demonstrate over several years that you have the people and processes to handle more slots |
| 19:01.00 | braverock_wk | speaking from experience (10 yrs as an org admin) |
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| 19:05.56 | MaxD | braverock_wk thanks, gonna check past year's projects |
| 19:12.00 | Amaan | braverock_wk: Wow, 10 years? Has your experience been positive overall? (Or is it more bittersweet?) |
| 19:14.12 | braverock_wk | well, more than ten years actually. we were an org in year two, if I recall, and I got involved in year 3 or something |
| 19:14.45 | braverock_wk | we're in the middle of one of the most time-consuming parts for an org admin, with proposal review, right now |
| 19:15.32 | braverock_wk | changes over the last couple years to reduce spam proposals have helped a lot.... we used to get maybe 75% spam, this year is was more like 10% spam |
| 19:15.47 | Amaan | What do you mean by spam proposals? |
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| 19:16.17 | meflin | many proposals have nothing to do with your org ... sometimes just a name and nothing more |
| 19:16.36 | braverock_wk | or someone submits their resume |
| 19:16.46 | Amaan | Jesus |
| 19:17.42 | Amaan | I did see a few of other students that rambled on for paragraphs with filler text (wikipedia summaries on their topic copy-pasted instead of actual introductory text), which I personally wasn't a fan of |
| 19:18.04 | Amaan | But the spam proposals seem very annoying as hell |
| 19:18.30 | Amaan | At least the ones I had a slight problem with were well-meaning on the whole |
| 19:18.33 | braverock_wk | we try to give students feedback on that sort of thing to get them to more directly demonstrate knowledge of the topic covered by a project idea |
| 19:18.53 | braverock_wk | and a template for an application, to make sure we get all the information we need to start evaluating them |
| 19:19.36 | Amaan | Only gets you so far, though, right? |
| 19:20.00 | Amaan | In my experience, early community engagement helps a ton |
| 19:20.41 | meflin | Amaan: spam used to be so prevelent that ingenious student spamms perhaps all the orgs with the same proposal |
| 19:21.18 | Amaan | Google's automatically filtering these out somehow now? |
| 19:21.46 | meflin | limited the # of proposals |
| 19:22.11 | Amaan | Makes sense |
| 19:23.01 | Amaan | I'm quite curious about how most orgs handle upstreaming the GSoC projects - it seems like it would be quite difficult to do for a lot of students all at once |
| 19:23.27 | braverock_wk | feature branches, and dedicated reviewers |
| 19:23.39 | Amaan | I imagine it depends primarily on how much your mentor can help in terms of dedicatedly reviewing your code? |
| 19:23.44 | Amaan | Ah, yeah |
| 19:23.47 | meflin | also no different that having a lot of contributes |
| 19:24.01 | Amaan | Yeah, I guess that's true |
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| 20:26.18 | olly | meflin: though you don't typically get N contributions all being completed the same week |
| 20:27.11 | olly | Amaan: our approach is to push to get the projects split into a series of mergable chunks so we can merge as we go |
| 20:28.07 | Amaan | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Must be a fair bit of work for the mentors in that case to be reviewing all that on top of the regular contributions, right? |
| 20:28.14 | olly | otherwise you often just end up with a branch at the end with 3 months of work that needs further work, and the student no longer able to devote full time attention to it and it drags on and on and meanwhile master slowly diverges making the job if anything harder |
| 20:28.34 | olly | yes - the students often need more iterations too |
| 20:28.37 | olly | at least to start with |
| 20:28.58 | olly | more patch review iterations than a typical contributor that is |
| 20:29.16 | Amaan | Right! |
| 20:30.00 | Amaan | I'm glad that the org I applied to has a pretty healthy responsive community and their coding conventions documented, which made it easier to catch up |
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| 20:32.38 | valorie | the above discussion shows why it can be *bad* for an org to get too many students |
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| 20:32.47 | valorie | even if they are fabu |
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| 20:34.56 | olly | yeah, whether you're aiming to get more code written or get more longer-term contributors, taking more students than you can comfortably handle doesn't help |
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