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| 12:19.13 | braverock_wk | hola gseiko |
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| 15:16.00 | zeekhuge | !commands |
| 15:16.02 | gsocbot | zeekhuge: Not a factoid |
| 15:16.10 | zeekhuge | !factoid |
| 15:16.12 | gsocbot | zeekhuge: Not a factoid |
| 15:16.21 | zeekhuge | well .. |
| 15:16.39 | zeekhuge | where is the rule book for organization ? |
| 15:17.28 | zeekhuge | specifically, is there a way an organization can ask a student to submit (make edits) to proposal ? before the accept date ? |
| 15:17.54 | zeekhuge | :s/ask/allow\\ask/ |
| 15:20.00 | braverock_wk | zeekhuge: no |
| 15:20.07 | braverock_wk | yes, there's a rule book |
| 15:20.20 | braverock_wk | but no, we can't ask students to change the scope of their proposals now |
| 15:20.44 | braverock_wk | it used to be quite common for students to keep editing their proposals up to the acceptance date |
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| 15:21.38 | braverock_wk | at some point in the past couple years, that was explicitly discouraged for a variety of reasons including fairness to other students, and signalling issues (only students orgs were really interested in would still be in communication) |
| 15:22.36 | braverock_wk | and now it says right on the interface "Base your decision on the Final PDF and do not encourage the student to change their draft. It is unfair to allow students to continue to modify their proposal after the deadline." |
| 15:24.00 | zeekhuge | braverock_wk: I might be mis-informed but, in past 4-5 years, it was possible to allow student to edit the proposal if the mentors considered it worth it. right ? |
| 15:24.39 | braverock_wk | yes, like I said, it used to be common. |
| 15:25.02 | braverock_wk | but now it is explicitly and obviously off-limits, as the quote from one of the proposal pages makes clear :) |
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| 15:25.39 | zeekhuge | braverock_wk: okay ! got it ! Thank you ! |
| 15:29.04 | braverock_wk | only a little more than a week before we can start the community bonding period with our slotted students, and make the first adjustments to project scope |
| 15:29.26 | braverock_wk | until then, radio silence |
| 15:31.20 | _daniel_ | should we reach to the selected candidates |
| 15:31.28 | _daniel_ | and tell them that they were selected? |
| 15:31.41 | _daniel_ | or everything is secret until gsoc announces it? |
| 15:32.49 | braverock_wk | everything is secret until it is announced by Google |
| 15:33.32 | braverock_wk | we're not supposed to give the students any indication one way or the other at this point |
| 15:34.29 | braverock_wk | so make sure your selections are done on the summerofcode website, and sit tight until next week after the official announcements |
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| 15:37.09 | braverock_wk | I'm pretty sure all this guidance is in the mentor guide or the org admin guide, in one form or another |
| 15:37.34 | _daniel_ | ok, how about a student being accepted by two organizations? |
| 15:39.39 | gevaerts | That can't happen. The application will prevent it |
| 15:40.55 | braverock_wk | you'll get a notification and information on how to proceed |
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| 17:20.48 | CarlFK | "select which proposals" means just selecting some mentors, right? |
| 17:21.00 | CarlFK | the 1)select mentors 2) Accept makes me think there is a 2nd step |
| 17:21.20 | PulkoMandy | yes, there is an "accept" button in the proposal details |
| 17:21.43 | PulkoMandy | if everything is ok, the proposals will be bold in the list and the dashboard will show N used slots and 0 remaining |
| 17:21.45 | CarlFK | Not any more- now I have Edit and Unaccept |
| 17:22.01 | sclv | ok then if you have "unaccept" that means you have already accepted |
| 17:22.07 | braverock_wk | well, that suggests that you successfully accepted it :) |
| 17:22.07 | CarlFK | k - I see the "and 0 remaining" so that's good. |
| 17:22.17 | PulkoMandy | yes, looks like everything is in order :) |
| 17:22.42 | CarlFK | thanks - I'd hate to hear "sorry, deadline passed, you didn't do this thing." |
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| 19:38.12 | olly | i always found it suboptimal that we had this deadline for submitting and then a general expectation from students that they could work on the proposal after that |
| 19:39.08 | olly | so while you were trying to sift through a pile of proposals to decide which to take, they were evolving around you |
| 19:40.12 | olly | and even if you made a firm "no updates after the deadline" rule for your org, you still had to fend off students who had heard we could enable edits for them |
| 19:40.35 | CarlFK | olly: +1. I love hard deadlines for stuff like this. |
| 19:43.51 | chronic_ | Just 1 week! Why does everything seen like a hint of me being accepted? We shall see soon ;) |
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| 20:49.30 | Robert_S | olly: We like hard deadlines too |
| 20:50.26 | olly | not sure I really like hard deadlines, but the old scheme didn't really work for me |
| 20:51.37 | olly | the current one tends to result in a lot of proposals right in the last day or so, and if they want feedback that's hard to give in time for them to do anything useful about it |
| 20:52.00 | Robert_S | Rule #1 of GSoC: Don't wait for the last minute. |
| 20:52.25 | achillion | s/ of GSoC// |
| 20:52.45 | olly | i'm always amazed how many orgs still haven't filled in the slot requests as that deadline looms |
| 20:52.46 | valorie | amen, amen, and amen to that |
| 20:53.17 | olly | i always put in some plausible numbers once we've done an initial proposal review round, then revise as needed |
| 21:01.52 | PulkoMandy | it's not the numbers now, it's selecting the actual projects which gets the slots |
| 21:07.53 | braverock_wk | olly: yes, my starting point is that the max number is the largest plausible number given the credible applications we've received for unique project ideas. (lots, almost half, of our ideas get multiple submissions) |
| 21:08.19 | braverock_wk | then I revise the max number downward as we do more review and weed things out as implausible or incomplete |
| 21:10.41 | chronic_ | Best thing to do is submit a proposal early, even if it's shitty, just so you can get feedback in time. Lesson learned for next time |
| 21:11.59 | PulkoMandy | chronic_: yes, you can never be too early and there are a lot of people willing to help |
| 21:12.15 | PulkoMandy | if that is not documented in the student guide we should try to improve it |
| 21:13.29 | valorie | we literally got one last minute "proposal" that was a pdf of some certifice of a class the person had earned |
| 21:13.35 | valorie | that was the total proposal |
| 21:13.53 | Robert_S | valorie: That's the best kind. You don't have to spend any time thinknig about it. |
| 21:13.59 | Robert_S | PulkoMandy: Patches welcome! |
| 21:14.04 | valorie | it was good for a laugh |
| 21:16.49 | chronic_ | Ha! |
| 21:20.18 | braverock_wk | we tell our prospective students that every year the best applications were started at least a month early, and most successful applications post drafts in the first couple days of the student application period so that we can give feedback and ask questions |
| 21:26.51 | terri | valorie: We got one where the "proposal" was a form for some completely unrelated award. I... guess they grabbed the wrong pdf? |
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| 21:27.41 | valorie | I am assuming they read none of our intro material and didn't talk to any of us either |
| 21:28.02 | valorie | so we gave them the same attention they gave us |
| 21:28.05 | valorie | :-) |
| 21:28.55 | valorie | I assume they thought this was some random summer job, but even then you usually have a cover letter? |
| 21:29.28 | valorie | oh well |
| 21:32.05 | terri | I imagine reading the instructions is hard when you submit in the last 10 minutes. ;) |
| 21:32.07 | braverock_wk | valorie: we got one submission that was just a resume/CV |
| 21:37.27 | diehlpk_work | valorie, We got 10 such submissions. Around two pages and next to the CV the student told us he will work on the project |
| 21:50.54 | valorie | terri: lol, yeah |
| 21:51.04 | valorie | braverock_wk: sigh |
| 21:51.28 | valorie | I guess the word is getting out there, but not in enough detail |
| 21:51.37 | valorie | diehlpk_work: 10! |
| 21:52.52 | terri | We always get a few resumes and cover letters. the best one this year was a resume that included a "lorem ipsum" which is a common placeholder text (graphic designers use latin so that the text doesn't distract from the design) |
| 21:53.27 | terri | No clue whether the resume was just the wrong version or if the person submitted it thought maybe it was a latin incantation for "please give me a job" |
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| 22:01.34 | valorie | lol |
| 22:01.56 | jn__ | LaTeX even has a macro for that (\blindtext) |
| 22:02.22 | valorie | a macro for "please give me a job"? |
| 22:02.26 | valorie | llol |
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| 22:12.34 | Yoonseok | helpme |
| 22:12.56 | jn__ | Yoonseok: what do you need help with? |
| 22:13.39 | olly | hmm, beyond help |
| 22:14.56 | achillion | The system works |
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