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| 09:43.16 | iojk | Hi. Does somebody know if all accepted students get informed on April 23rd? AFAIK organisations had to send accepted proposals to Google this week and I wonder if the selected ones get contacted earlier. |
| 10:25.55 | chronic_ | Iojk: everyone that is selected will be informed on April 23 (chosen proposals should show up on GSOC website+e-mail notifications will be sent too). No one is contacred before April 23, thay's against the rules. |
| 10:29.08 | iojk | What if two different orgs accept the same student? He selects the org he wants to work for after April 23rd? |
| 10:30.04 | Amaan | iojk: I believe the orgs negotiate it amongst themselves before then |
| 10:34.06 | iojk | Okay, thanks |
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| 11:56.40 | HoloIRCUser | As there are only few days for selected students announcement, I'm feeling very anxious and excited. Finger Crossed!! |
| 12:00.04 | Amaan | Hahaha popped in just to drop that message, huh? |
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| 19:49.06 | olly | Amaan: the way it works now (since a few years ago) is that the first org to select a student has priority |
| 19:49.24 | olly | other orgs who try to select can see who selected the student with email contact addresses |
| 19:49.35 | olly | up to them if they contact or go for another choice |
| 19:49.55 | olly | and up to the first org if they hand over the student |
| 19:52.46 | olly | it's fairly rare though - < 10% contacts for us at least under the current system |
| 19:54.04 | braverock_wk | yeah, I've only had a few collisions over many years |
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| 19:55.10 | olly | someone was complaining on the mentor list that the new system favours those who can jump in right away when the slots get announced |
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| 19:55.24 | meflin | piffle |
| 19:55.30 | olly | but really clashes are rare enough that I don't really see it as an issue |
| 19:55.54 | olly | the old system allowed the slack admins to create a mess |
| 19:56.03 | olly | the new system favours those who are on the ball |
| 19:56.12 | braverock_wk | well, I wouldn't exactly call it a mess |
| 19:56.21 | braverock_wk | the de-dupe meetings weren't that big of a pain |
| 19:56.39 | olly | they were messy though, and leaked a lot of information about student selections |
| 19:57.02 | braverock_wk | that's true |
| 19:57.07 | olly | which we're repeatedly told not to do, yet the system did by design |
| 19:58.18 | meflin | its still slightly leaky |
| 19:58.40 | olly | i think actually the new system favours those who have managed to finalise decisions enough to select students the first day, which seems fair enough |
| 19:59.09 | meflin | meh .. better then all alternitives IMO |
| 19:59.48 | olly | yeah, overall I think it's a good approach |
| 20:00.03 | olly | meflin: slightly leaky? |
| 20:00.19 | meflin | I see things :) |
| 20:00.41 | olly | you should see someone about that |
| 20:01.04 | meflin | they told me it was all in my mind ;) |
| 20:02.28 | olly | i'd be very interested to see stats on what proportion of students make X proposals vs what proportion of *accepted* students do |
| 20:03.16 | meflin | not a bad idea could help students not to shotgun bad proposals ... dupes are rare |
| 20:03.23 | olly | the average seems to always be somewhere under 1.5, so most must only send one proposal |
| 20:03.55 | olly | meflin: yes, i think it would be something useful to point students at |
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| 20:44.42 | chronic_ | Any student ever have all 3 proposals accepted? How'd that work out? |
| 20:45.32 | jn__ | chronic_: no, that can't happen |
| 20:47.10 | meflin | AFAIK it has never happened but it can happen |
| 20:47.58 | jn__ | i thought there's enough coordination in place to prevent this |
| 20:48.35 | meflin | no |
| 20:49.09 | meflin | well sorta only one app can be accepted in the current system |
| 20:49.17 | jn__ | that's what i mean |
| 20:49.46 | meflin | it is still possible to 3 orgs to mark as accepted 1 student |
| 20:49.58 | meflin | the de-dupe is handled in that case |
| 20:50.31 | meflin | AFAIK no student has been accepted 3 ways ... just 2 is very rare |
| 20:50.31 | terri | Well, now the first person marks the student as accepted and anyone else just gets a warning screen that won't let them select. |
| 20:50.33 | jn__ | ok, so a slightly better term in that case would be "pre-accepted" or something, IMHO |
| 20:51.38 | meflin | terri: I guess my knowledge of that shall not be named is better then the current |
| 20:51.51 | terri | In theory a student could make multiple accounts and get selected on each of them, but then they get banned from the program when their docs get checked so no one accepts them. |
| 20:52.40 | terri | so, uh, don't do that. :) |
| 20:52.57 | meflin | crunchy cruncky students I love to eat them :D |
| 20:52.59 | terri | meflin: well, yeah, barring bugs. |
| 20:54.19 | meflin | I am not aware of any bugs and if I was I would not be disposed to discues them |
| 20:54.34 | terri | But yeah, I can't remember any 3-way ties back when we had the dedupe meetings |
| 20:55.22 | meflin | I was always the DD at de-dupe and I dont recall any |
| 20:56.35 | meflin | students who worry about such things should know the trade value has been publicly set |
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| 21:25.45 | olly | there's a famous and much over-cited case of a student getting accepted by N orgs (and then deduplicated) in the early days |
| 21:25.53 | olly | I think N might even have been 5 or so |
| 21:26.55 | olly | but that was before orgs expected some sort a patch submission as part of the process, which seems close to ubiquitous now |
| 21:27.33 | olly | and one outlier is curious, but not really indicative |
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| 21:52.34 | statt | Did the org got 5 slots this time also? |
| 21:53.04 | olly | statt: 5 different orgs tried to select the same student |
| 21:53.14 | olly | or some quite large number anyway |
| 21:53.32 | olly | but this was more than 10 years ago, and gsoc has changed significantly since |
| 21:53.32 | braverock_wk | I remember a few large de-dupes |
| 21:54.01 | braverock_wk | and there was often a mess of the new selection creating a another round that needed to be deduped |
| 21:54.22 | braverock_wk | but that was also when students could submit many more applications |
| 21:54.29 | statt | yeah, the selection process is quite tedious |
| 21:55.22 | statt | should be 6-7 this time? |
| 21:55.29 | braverock_wk | we thankfully had fewer than 100 applications this year (our student proposals are typically about 10 pages long) |
| 21:55.38 | olly | anecdotally I'd say the average number of orgs applied to by students we accept is not much over 1 (we ask if they've applied elsewhere so we're prepared with enough backup choices) |
| 21:55.48 | olly | statt: the number of slots each org gets varies widely |
| 21:56.03 | braverock_wk | yes, from 1 to a very large number |
| 21:56.05 | olly | typically from 1 to 50 or more |
| 21:56.28 | olly | you don't get more than you ask for, and new orgs are typically limited to 2 |
| 21:56.54 | olly | and good feedback from past students helps apparently |
| 21:57.30 | statt | I guess slots are allotted already? ;) |
| 21:57.38 | olly | yes, and assigned |
| 21:57.42 | olly | there's just more checking now |
| 21:57.52 | olly | and sorting out any replacements that requires |
| 21:57.57 | braverock_wk | and students will be announced next week |
| 21:58.02 | statt | I don't know why google takes so much time? |
| 21:58.14 | olly | i think they do a preliminary check of the proofs |
| 21:58.15 | braverock_wk | because there are thousands of students who need to be verified |
| 21:58.21 | braverock_wk | :) |
| 21:58.40 | olly | that's for all students who submitted a proposal, then a more detailed check for the students actually being accepted |
| 21:58.48 | braverock_wk | and the GSoC team is tiny |
| 21:59.31 | braverock_wk | so once it is past automation, it is a lot of work for a very small number of hard-working Google folks |
| 22:00.07 | olly | perhaps one day we'll see captchas asking "click all the valid proofs of student ID" |
| 22:00.10 | statt | Yeah, plone should be good with 10-12 , i guess not more :) |
| 22:00.53 | statt | @olly: :) |
| 22:02.23 | statt | Is it okay to ask the org how many slots are alloted? |
| 22:02.48 | olly | we're recommended not to say |
| 22:03.03 | olly | as a student it doesn't really tell you much anyway |
| 22:03.34 | olly | but if you know we had 8 slots and then see we select 7 students but not you... |
| 22:03.51 | statt | @olly: :) |
| 22:04.12 | statt | true...... |
| 22:04.28 | olly | and the reasons can be complicated |
| 22:04.47 | braverock_wk | when the selections are announced, the number of selected students is public information |
| 22:05.31 | statt | one more thing, Did the org get more slots than last year slots? |
| 22:05.48 | statt | please don't mind .... |
| 22:05.51 | olly | statt: you keep saying "the org" |
| 22:05.58 | olly | there are a lot of orgs |
| 22:06.13 | statt | organisations :) |
| 22:06.16 | olly | some are new, some will probably get more, some probably fewer, some maybe the same |
| 22:06.56 | statt | Thanks for the time @olly |
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| 22:28.50 | valorie | and some of us don't really think the more/less slots question is even interesting |
| 22:29.07 | valorie | the question is how many mentors do we have available for the really good students we want? |
| 22:29.35 | valorie | sometimes we have to no select Really Good students because we don't have suitable mentors available |
| 22:29.40 | valorie | not |
| 22:29.45 | valorie | <--- KDE |
| 22:30.33 | klaxa | :( |
| 22:32.15 | olly | i can see why students think it's interesting at this point though |
| 22:33.29 | valorie | sure |
| 22:33.47 | valorie | they don't realize that It Doesn't Matter |
| 22:34.17 | valorie | they have not learned to enjoy suspense |
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| 23:32.42 | chronic_ | Yeah I was loke that first |
| 23:32.49 | chronic_ | like* |
| 23:34.25 | chronic_ | All a student needs to worry about is having a solid proposal with contributions to the community and getting feedback early |
| 23:36.00 | klaxa | man i remember being impatient, nowadays time goes by too fast |
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