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| 00:33.59 | terri | interesting. so far, most of our worst proposals use the same teal/orange/brown template |
| 00:39.36 | cbilt | the google drive one? |
| 00:39.47 | terri | cbilt: I assume so, yeah |
| 00:40.01 | cbilt | glad i rolled my own :P |
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| 00:50.42 | olly | terri: looks like if you create a google doc then you're offered several templates and that's the one for "Project Proposal" |
| 00:53.43 | terri | olly: that would explain it! |
| 00:54.07 | cbilt | yep |
| 00:54.16 | olly | we've had proposals using that in the past (though at least one was decent) |
| 00:56.15 | olly | but i'd rather students didn't fixate on formatting - so long as it's readable, formatting of the proposal is about the least important detail |
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| 04:24.47 | botanic_ | anyone know if there is a filesize limit on the final proposal pdf's? |
| 04:26.55 | olly | probably, but I don't recall many people complaining about hitting it |
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| 04:28.07 | botanic_ | ya we want to store those for future students, so our system id like to match google if there is one |
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| 04:59.48 | valorie | 100 pages is far too much |
| 05:00.00 | valorie | 4 pages is skimpy |
| 05:01.36 | olly | the appropriate length is somewhat dependent on what's being proposed too |
| 05:02.09 | valorie | I appreciated when figures and mockups etc. are smaller rather than full sized |
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| 05:56.03 | r0bby | olly: 5-6 page; maybe max 8 pages -- wireframes could push that to maybe 10-12 pages at times... |
| 05:56.22 | r0bby | Is that unreasonably sized? |
| 05:56.22 | r0bby | 3 |
| 05:57.19 | olly | i care much less about page or word counts than whether they've gone into sufficient detail |
| 05:57.36 | r0bby | very true |
| 05:57.52 | r0bby | I'm unlikely to count pages -- more so I'm looking for a clear structure |
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| 06:09.50 | valorie | same here |
| 06:10.09 | valorie | I don't think I've ever read a good one that's too long |
| 06:10.25 | valorie | bad ones get bad after page 1 |
| 06:10.57 | valorie | I don't see a reason to set an upper limit |
| 06:11.43 | cbilt | got some advice from mozilla to limit myself to 7500 characters |
| 06:12.35 | cbilt | they also have some sample applications which are all fairly short (old successful ones) |
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| 06:27.12 | valorie | yuck |
| 06:27.58 | valorie | I tell the students that their proposals should be complete enough to give us confidence that they will be successful, AND good enough to guide them through the summer |
| 06:28.35 | cbilt | valorie: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode/SampleApplications/2 what do you think about this? (and the others, replace 2 with 1/3) |
| 06:29.02 | valorie | wow |
| 06:29.11 | valorie | that's crap |
| 06:29.16 | cbilt | IMO that is very brief and vague |
| 06:29.21 | valorie | it gives no detail whatsoever |
| 06:29.22 | cbilt | yeah, but they say it's "good enough". heh |
| 06:29.43 | cbilt | my mentor told me to not go into too much detail (not mozilla), "keep it high level" |
| 06:30.03 | valorie | wow |
| 06:30.13 | valorie | well, each org has their own rules |
| 06:30.17 | cbilt | but who knows, maybe he thinks i'm crap ;) |
| 06:30.21 | cbilt | sabotaging me! |
| 06:30.42 | valorie | https://community.kde.org/GSoC#Student_proposal_guidelines |
| 06:31.01 | valorie | only the good students bother to read it |
| 06:31.03 | cbilt | well KDE is suit-and-tie according to Mr Robot isn't it |
| 06:31.04 | valorie | obv |
| 06:31.08 | valorie | rofl |
| 06:31.17 | valorie | we're an anarchist collective |
| 06:31.29 | valorie | I'm sure some of the men own suits and ties though |
| 06:31.33 | cbilt | wow. i wish we had a guide this good. the guide i have is a quite badly formatted 1/4th of a Wiki page :P |
| 06:31.44 | valorie | used to be crap |
| 06:31.55 | cbilt | sadly i don't use KDE :( |
| 06:31.57 | valorie | but we found that every time we were more clear and more strict |
| 06:32.11 | valorie | the better the student applicants were |
| 06:32.18 | valorie | kde is a community |
| 06:32.21 | valorie | ! |
| 06:32.28 | valorie | we do make lots of software though |
| 06:32.52 | cbilt | well strace has almost no information. "hey, go and write some code and come back when you're done". libreoffice holds your hand. mozilla and kde seem to be even more applicant-friendly |
| 06:32.53 | valorie | but gosh, everything from a few commandline things to a DE |
| 06:33.24 | valorie | and WikiToLearn is a KDE project |
| 06:33.31 | valorie | that's not even programming |
| 06:33.34 | cbilt | KDE was my first |
| 06:33.55 | valorie | well, I don't think you would recognize it now |
| 06:34.20 | valorie | the DE I mean |
| 06:34.23 | cbilt | i may be wrong, but e.g. a gnome application comes with many many megs of dependencies |
| 06:34.35 | cbilt | so if i only want the gnome-terminal i need a few hundred megabytes of extra stuff |
| 06:34.37 | valorie | which is what most people think of when they say KDE |
| 06:35.09 | valorie | we now have the kde frameworks rather than monolithic KDE-libs |
| 06:35.18 | valorie | which everyone used to complain about |
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| 06:35.30 | valorie | for some years, actually |
| 06:35.49 | valorie | we even have android apps |
| 06:36.02 | valorie | and most of the applications run on mac and win as well |
| 06:36.34 | valorie | flatpak/snap/appimage as well |
| 06:36.44 | cbilt | what's your role in KDE? |
| 06:37.07 | valorie | admin for GSoC -- well, Student Programs |
| 06:37.17 | valorie | and the Community Working Group |
| 06:37.27 | valorie | and various other little stuff |
| 06:38.00 | valorie | about the only group that welcomed in a non-coding grandma |
| 06:38.37 | r0bby | cbilt: that mozilla proposal is pretty bad |
| 06:38.45 | valorie | I also work with Kubuntu |
| 06:39.08 | r0bby | Your proposal is how you wow us -- show us you are the best for the job |
| 06:39.26 | valorie | #1 doesn't start out too bad, but then it quits with no timeline |
| 06:39.43 | valorie | I would never accept a proposals without a detailed timeline |
| 06:40.06 | r0bby | All those proposals to me are crap |
| 06:40.44 | valorie | all too general, and too short |
| 06:40.54 | valorie | I wouldn't even accept that from a well-known student |
| 06:41.19 | valorie | like, one who had done a previous top-notch project |
| 06:41.40 | valorie | because to me the proposal is the blueprint |
| 06:42.00 | valorie | and if you have a fuzzy blueprint, how will you have success? |
| 06:43.12 | r0bby | Why did they think those were good -- I expected more from Mozilla |
| 06:43.13 | valorie | and it should be good enough to guide the student when they temporarily get into the weeds |
| 06:43.26 | cbilt | r0bby: yeah i didn't model my proposal on them, wrote it first then compared. i did go into a lot of detail first, but my mentor told me to not be too technical |
| 06:43.49 | cbilt | i just made sure to cover all the points they (LO) require |
| 06:43.50 | valorie | why, why, why? |
| 06:44.00 | valorie | that's bad advice I think |
| 06:44.07 | cbilt | valorie: my project is sort of "original work" (small external project) |
| 06:44.19 | cbilt | tho... i don't know! |
| 06:44.24 | cbilt | i'm nervous :p |
| 06:44.27 | valorie | so you need even MORE detail, and better planning |
| 06:44.33 | cbilt | :/ |
| 06:44.44 | valorie | for yourself if not for the mentor |
| 06:44.56 | valorie | to guide *yourself* |
| 06:45.00 | cbilt | i agree. i write weekly plans for my personal projects and log everything and write out exactly what to do |
| 06:45.07 | valorie | in a big project, one can get lost |
| 06:45.08 | cbilt | implement x, implement y |
| 06:45.22 | valorie | and getting the order clear is important |
| 06:45.26 | valorie | imo |
| 06:45.40 | valorie | sequencing is so important in good code |
| 06:45.49 | cbilt | he's going to give me a detailed review of the draft soon so i hope i'll get some clarity :) |
| 06:47.00 | valorie | wow, no critique yet? |
| 06:47.17 | valorie | they could be getting slammed though |
| 06:47.22 | valorie | we sure aren't |
| 06:47.32 | cbilt | i don't think so? i can't see any action on mailing list or IRC, and i'm there all the time |
| 06:47.37 | r0bby | cbilt: Let me dig upmy proposals -- I think I still have them on my Google Drive somewhere |
| 06:47.42 | r0bby | I got accepted three times |
| 06:47.59 | valorie | ooooo, we got a new one |
| 06:48.00 | r0bby | 2008,9 and 10. |
| 06:48.26 | r0bby | I'm worried we're not gonna have a lot of students |
| 06:48.40 | valorie | I know we're not |
| 06:48.47 | valorie | we have only 20 proposals |
| 06:49.02 | valorie | our high mark was over 200 I think |
| 06:49.16 | valorie | that's when we started cranking up our standards |
| 06:49.28 | valorie | because fully half of those were utter junk |
| 06:52.25 | r0bby | I really wish I put together a sample proposal |
| 06:52.35 | r0bby | I need to work on documentation |
| 06:52.51 | valorie | we have some old ones somewhere |
| 06:53.04 | valorie | I don't think samples help much |
| 06:53.40 | cbilt | sorry i keep getting disconnected and my bouncer sucks |
| 06:58.10 | valorie | we don't see it, cbilt |
| 06:59.04 | cbilt | r0bby did you link your proposal? |
| 06:59.17 | r0bby | I did not |
| 07:02.22 | valorie | btw we didn't get a new proposal |
| 07:02.34 | valorie | instead one of the students uploaded a final |
| 07:02.38 | valorie | fooey |
| 07:03.10 | cbilt | do you get notifications when someone submits a draft/final? |
| 07:03.37 | r0bby | cbilt: No we do not |
| 07:03.42 | r0bby | I check periodically |
| 07:03.51 | r0bby | Usually once or twice a day |
| 07:04.09 | cbilt | should i worry if they haven't said anything about my draft? |
| 07:04.39 | r0bby | cbilt: Ping them again -- mentors are busy sometimes |
| 07:06.34 | r0bby | cbilt: something to remember: none of us are paid for this work |
| 07:07.11 | cbilt | oh i am not demanding anything. just nervous |
| 07:07.14 | valorie | the students who have been involved already for some months have been getting feedback all along |
| 07:07.32 | valorie | the newer students have a harder time breaking through |
| 07:07.47 | valorie | which is why I keep urging students to get involved early |
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| 10:34.20 | Freso | "08:31:29 <@valorie> I'm sure some of the men own suits and ties though" I wouldnât be surprised if some of women and nonâbinaries do too. :) |
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| 11:41.56 | fundamental_ | Looks like someone decided to submit a set of slides which never once mention the organization as their proposal. |
| 11:42.08 | fundamental_ | We'll have to see how that bold move pays off |
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| 12:50.30 | cbilt | maybe they want to submit the same slides to many orgs? ;) |
| 12:50.41 | cbilt | someone was asking about that the other day |
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| 13:06.14 | no | hi can someone help me with registering for gsoc? |
| 13:06.35 | no | please |
| 13:06.36 | Mc | you already have a project with an org ? |
| 13:06.39 | no | no |
| 13:07.32 | Mc | the find an org, make a project with a mentor, then register with their help |
| 13:07.34 | Mc | then* |
| 13:07.56 | Mc | you might be ~3 months late |
| 13:09.42 | blast007 | Mc: it's only been 37 days since the organization list was announced... |
| 13:10.32 | no | i want to apply as a student? And I have received admits from a university and am yet to receive a decision from another university. So the thing is, while registering for gsoc, it asks for an admit letter. I can submit the admit letter I have got but if I get an admit from the other university can I change it on gsoc afterwards? |
| 13:12.23 | blast007 | no: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment it specifically says not to ask on IRC about whether your proof of enrollment is acceptable |
| 13:13.11 | blast007 | I'd suggest reading that entire page, but get in contact with organizations ASAP |
| 13:14.55 | blast007 | many students were in contact with organizations after the organization list was announced on Feb 26th, and some were in contact even before then |
| 13:16.00 | no | First of all, I apologize for asking that question. |
| 13:16.56 | no | Second, should I contact the orgs before registering on GSOC? |
| 13:17.57 | cbilt | before applying yes |
| 13:20.22 | no | ok |
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| 13:23.21 | Freso | blast007: Itâs generally good to get involved with your org. even before the list is announced. You can always "jump ship" if it turns out your specific org. doesnât get accepted, but youâll still have gotten experience in getting and being involved with an open source project which will likely get your "adoption" into your new org. to go much more smoothly. |
| 13:23.55 | Freso | We often get GSoC aspirants as GCI is winding down. |
| 13:24.02 | Freso | So December/January. |
| 13:32.07 | cbilt | i wish i had known that |
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| 13:38.34 | teepee | I think orgs should not just prefer students that get in contact early. not everyone can know upfront about things and first time students don't have a couple of years knowledge about the proceedings like most mentors have |
| 13:40.11 | cbilt | i saw people getting in touch with my org around 25th march being accepted last year |
| 13:40.40 | teepee | sure, those early students have a head start and maybe can safe a couple of stressful days, but telling people to *specifically for gsoc* even before it's announced feels wrong - recommending to get experience in general open source regardless is much better |
| 13:41.47 | teepee | for me the critera is 1) communication and 2) a good proposal - in that order :) |
| 13:43.41 | fundamental | teepee: +1, good communication skills are an essential component to having a good chance of completing whatever is proposed |
| 13:44.03 | fundamental | it would be a shame to have a student with a great proposal, but one which can't ask the right questions once they do get stuck |
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| 14:25.01 | Freso | teepee: I mean, weâve taken students that came in almost-last-minute before over students that have been around for months. But in 90+% of the cases, it just so happens that the ones that came in early are the ones that actually have an idea of how the project(s) and community work and can thus actually write a proposal that reflects this. |
| 14:28.03 | Mc | +1 |
| 14:29.30 | Freso | So itâs not that itâs a requirement to get involved in a project early, it just puts you at a disadvantage (wrt writing a great proposal) to those who did if you donât. |
| 14:31.02 | fundamental | a fairly major one if projects utilize a code contribution as a factor within the proposal |
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| 14:41.08 | teepee | I would call that an unfair one actually |
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| 16:19.07 | no | I am having a hard time understanding some aspects. |
| 16:19.43 | no | I dont understand. On the github Ideas page, since the ideas are already given, what do we have to state in the proposal, the complete algorithm? |
| 16:20.14 | no | *github ideas page of mlpack for example. |
| 16:21.57 | Mc | usually ideas are rough sketches of what can be done, but you can specify what exactly you are planning to do and the schedule of your deliverables and why |
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| 16:28.21 | no | In mlpack the projects are already planned. I dont understand what I supposed to write in the proposals. I can't repeat what they've already mentioned. |
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| 17:18.35 | embden | hello, I have uploaded my student id on the site. But it is written on it that it is not valid without a pass. is it ok? |
| 17:23.30 | terri | embden: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment |
| 17:23.43 | terri | embden: the relevant bit says "If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, do not ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site." |
| 17:24.26 | terri | embden: and also "Forms will be reviewed in the weeks after the Student Application deadline has closed. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved (or rejected and needs to be fixed)." |
| 17:27.43 | embden | thanks, terri: I've read it but since the phrase "not valid without a pass" is quite common I thought there is a simple answer on my question. But it's ok for me to wait for the response from Google. |
| 17:31.11 | intrigus | !proof test |
| 17:31.12 | gsocbot | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 17:32.35 | meflin | !proof |
| 17:32.35 | gsocbot | meflin: If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved. |
| 17:32.50 | terri | embden: regardless of the question and why you asked it, the instructions do say NOT to ask here |
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| 17:45.29 | embden | terri: yes, I agree, that's why I haven't asked about acceptability of the document itself. |
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| 17:48.17 | Mubashir | Hello, My name is Mubashir and I have complete my graduation in december 2018 I am not enrolled yet for master programmer, I wanted to participate in this program is there any way I can apply since I am not a student now |
| 17:50.30 | Mc | you need a proof of formal enrollment for this year or next year as of May 6, 2019 |
| 17:51.42 | olly | enrollment *or acceptance* |
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| 17:55.56 | olly | Mubashir: you need to provide one of the options detailed at https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment (note option 4 may work if you aren't yet enrolled) - if you can't then you aren't eligible |
| 17:56.22 | olly | but you can still get involved with an open source org outside of gsoc |
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| 18:41.20 | mubashir | I am not a student I have completed my graduation last year how can I participate in this programme |
| 18:41.40 | meflin | not as a student no |
| 18:41.52 | fmunir | you can't |
| 18:42.37 | mubashir | thanks |
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| 19:12.46 | fmunir | I want to contribute to vscode extension... How can I reach the related org(s) or mentors? |
| 19:13.26 | meflin | check there page for contact info |
| 19:15.27 | fmunir | Couldn't get it... which page? |
| 19:16.12 | meflin | no idea not familure with that project did you check the org list ? |
| 19:16.42 | blast007 | fmunir: which Visual Studio Code extension are you referring to? |
| 19:23.27 | fmunir | I've my own idea which could be accomplished by extension/plugin... It could be any IDE/Code editor like vscode, JetBrains', Atom etc. |
| 19:23.54 | PulkoMandy | gsoc doesn't work like that, you work on existing projects |
| 19:24.03 | PulkoMandy | if you have your own idea, start your own project :) |
| 19:25.23 | teepee | not really, there's a number of orgs that welcome suggestions that are not on the list |
| 19:25.45 | teepee | however you have to make a good point why it should be mentored |
| 19:27.07 | olly | there's off-list ideas for projects, and then there's having an idea and trying to shop it around to likely orgs |
| 19:27.29 | olly | the first can be successful, but I really have my doubts that the latter ever is |
| 19:27.45 | PulkoMandy | yes, we do welcome suggestions off the list, but it requires good knowledge of the project to do that |
| 19:28.40 | fmunir | I thought #gsoc is about mentoring the newbies to open source comm. |
| 19:29.00 | olly | fmunir: yes, so find a community you want to join and get involved |
| 19:29.26 | PulkoMandy | it is about Google Summer of Code, a program with its own rules. We can also give some advice outside that, if you want, but in the scope of GSoC, I'm afraid your idea doesn't fit the way it works |
| 19:29.31 | fundamental | mentors come from pre-established organizations. Students then apply with project ideas in the scope of an accepted organization |
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| 19:36.42 | Adizbek | Hello everyone. |
| 19:37.41 | Adizbek | I want to attend to gsoc 2019. I am student from Uzbekistan, I have several question about gsoc. |
| 19:37.48 | fmunir | How research base projects fits in? Like neural networks, NLP etc. |
| 19:38.25 | Adizbek | Can anyone help me? |
| 19:38.29 | meflin | fmunir: look over the slected orgs |
| 19:38.59 | meflin | Adizbek: only if you ask a specific question |
| 19:39.33 | fundamental | fmunir: there are multiple orgs which have projects related to the implementation of those sorts of algorithms, though it's generally not going to be freeform open-ended research Q's |
| 19:39.46 | Adizbek | Where it will be held ? |
| 19:40.13 | meflin | Adizbek: worldwide |
| 19:40.54 | meflin | work happens over the internet |
| 19:42.51 | Adizbek | @merlin: It means we shouldn't go anywhere? We can participate over internet. Am I right? |
| 19:42.58 | meflin | yes |
| 19:42.59 | valorie | teepee: why is it unfair to require commits in advance of the beginning of the program? |
| 19:44.24 | teepee | valorie: if I learn about the program in time where the official time line says "potential students begin to talk with orgs" and I end up with just about 10% chance of getting selected whatever I do, that is unfair |
| 19:44.59 | valorie | that is plenty of time to fix a couple of bugs |
| 19:45.20 | valorie | if it's not, you are hardly likely to complete a major project in just 3 months |
| 19:45.53 | valorie | how else are the mentors to know what your work is like? |
| 19:46.16 | olly | that date this year was Feb 26th, so over 5 weeks ago |
| 19:46.43 | teepee | yes, and I was refering to comments that required stuff *before* that date |
| 19:46.44 | valorie | not all orgs require this |
| 19:46.51 | olly | if you started to get involved then, I'd expect your chances are better than 10% |
| 19:46.55 | valorie | no, nobody requires that |
| 19:47.07 | teepee | well, I did read the comments differently |
| 19:47.21 | valorie | KDE for instance requires links to commits to be part of the proposal |
| 19:47.42 | teepee | my point is that someone starting at about that feb 26th should have all chances to be selected |
| 19:47.56 | valorie | and I agree with you |
| 19:48.03 | fundamental | teepee: ah, I could see how the comments could be misread |
| 19:48.07 | Adizbek | @Meflin: what about requirements for candidats? Can everybody take part ? |
| 19:48.14 | meflin | that is how it works in my xp teepee |
| 19:48.20 | Snow-Man | getting commits into PG is, perhaps, harder than most, but that doesn't mean a GSoC project isn't going to be successful.. |
| 19:48.32 | PulkoMandy | in our case we will allow you to make commits while we review the proposals as well. But usually students who start early have better results anyway |
| 19:48.35 | meflin | Adizbek: the website has some rules about uni and countryes |
| 19:48.44 | valorie | Adizbek: all students can participate, if they follow the rules |
| 19:48.58 | olly | !eligible | Adizbek |
| 19:48.59 | gsocbot | olly: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#what_are_the_eligibility_requirements_for_participation |
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| 21:15.05 | Freso | teepee: I donât think anyone has said anything else? Well, other than you anyway. :) |
| 21:20.46 | valorie | Freso: I might have said "previous commits" which could imply earlier than the opening of the program to students |
| 21:21.13 | valorie | which isn't what I meant, but could have been construed that way |
| 21:21.49 | valorie | I don't blame students for feeling antsy at this point |
| 21:21.54 | valorie | deadlines approach |
| 21:26.08 | teepee | Freso: you did, and I'm totally to lazy to copy paste that |
| 21:27.08 | Freso | teepee: I said that they have an advantage coming in earlier, which they do. I also said that weâve taken near-last-minute applicants before over applicants that came in months early. |
| 21:28.02 | Freso | You also donât need to read the course literature for a university course before it starts, but you gain an advantage during the course if you already know the literature. |
| 21:29.24 | Freso | That doesnât mean that other students that didnât read beforehand wonât do better than you though regardless. |
| 21:30.56 | olly | it's pretty obvious that getting involved before Feb 26th will tend to mean you're more familiar with things than students who get involved after, but are you expecting us to down rate students who do? |
| 21:32.00 | olly | IME they're sufficiently rare that they're definitely not filling up the majority of the places and excluding other students |
| 21:33.29 | valorie | unfortunately rare IMO |
| 21:33.51 | valorie | rare and valuable, because the good ones help the other students |
| 21:39.43 | terri | yeah, definitely rare. I'd guess the year we had 72 students, maybe 7 of them showed up really early? |
| 21:40.51 | terri | and some of them even convinced other mentors to join us because they were so excited to see the work students were doing, so I think we wound up with net more slots than we might have requested if those students hadn't shown up. |
| 21:43.03 | valorie | wow, what a great experience, terri |
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| 23:42.22 | r0bby | teepee: Here is the secret to GSoC -- there is no real way to "crack it" -- it's a numbers game -- we get a limited number of slots and you just have to write a proposal which shows us that you are the best candidate for the project |
| 23:42.36 | r0bby | Sometimes it's really hard |
| 23:45.03 | r0bby | teepee: The ones who engage us earlier have an advantage but at the end of the day -- we require you have contributions prior to the close of the application period |
| 23:45.57 | teepee | give it a rest, I don't need student advice, I was voicing my concerns from mentors viewpoint |
| 23:46.00 | valorie | well, for me it is not a numbers game, but a *mentor* game |
| 23:46.23 | valorie | and for a good student I will move heaven and earth to find a mentor |
| 23:47.30 | r0bby | teepee: what? |
| 23:47.49 | r0bby | teepee: sorry about that -- was reading it quickly :) |
| 23:48.03 | r0bby | which org you with teepee ? |
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| 23:53.26 | teepee | I don't like to hold up the name here in the general channel - who really want's to know it's trivial to find though |
| 23:53.40 | r0bby | teepee: also there was absolutely no need to lash out that way -- FYI was selected 3x back in 2008.9 and 10; plus have either run or mentored GSoC since... |
| 23:53.50 | r0bby | so the advice was sound |
| 23:54.17 | teepee | who is lashing out? if it sounded that way, it was not intended |
| 23:54.22 | r0bby | you did. |
| 23:57.27 | r0bby | Except for a small handful I've known for years, it's difficult to know who's a mentor vs who's a student. |
| 23:58.11 | valorie | same here -- I assume that most are students |
| 23:58.17 | valorie | but time for dinner |
| 23:58.44 | teepee | and that's actually totally irrelevant for this specific discussion we had earlier |
| 23:59.15 | teepee | both students and mentors can have their view on how the rules are set and handled by different orgs |
| 23:59.56 | r0bby | teepee: This community is insanely small -- let's not be rude. |
| 23:59.57 | teepee | and in general it's probably a good thing that the project is flexible enough to accomodate different styles of how orgs handle things |