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| 03:30.04 | Priyans | On the website it says applications closed on 9th April |
| 03:30.09 | Priyans | But today is still 9th april |
| 03:31.27 | olly | right day, but after the deadline time |
| 03:32.04 | olly | the deadline was 18:00 UTC |
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| 04:20.30 | faux__ | I was wondering if I can edit the abstract and topic shown on the website and not the actual PDF? |
| 04:20.46 | faux__ | Just the abstract on the website |
| 04:20.58 | meflin | no |
| 04:21.08 | valorie | no edits after the deadline |
| 04:21.13 | meflin | final submissions are final |
| 04:21.23 | faux__ | Sure no problems |
| 04:23.31 | olly | faux__: I think you get a chance to adjust them if your project is accepted |
| 04:24.07 | faux__ | And that will be only after may 6 right? |
| 04:24.23 | olly | yes, if that's the announcement date |
| 04:24.28 | faux__ | Sure |
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| 09:03.34 | Freso | Quozl: What project are you with? :) (Iâm from another musicâoriented org., MetaBrainz, though not myself really involved with GSoC; Iâm here for GCI.) |
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| 16:00.08 | Conan_ | Hey I applied for GSoC this year |
| 16:00.32 | Conan_ | I kept my nick name as Conan but by real name is David any issues I will get? |
| 16:01.04 | saish_ | Conan_: no i think |
| 16:01.35 | Conan_ | Thanks one of my mentor is aking for it |
| 16:02.04 | saish_ | if u changed surname |
| 16:02.24 | saish_ | fro creating nicknam,e on gsoc website then it may cause problem |
| 16:02.35 | saish_ | i thought of different itc nickname :-0 |
| 16:02.43 | saish_ | irc* |
| 16:03.53 | Conan_ | Yes I did it |
| 16:03.59 | Conan_ | Can I change now? |
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| 16:05.36 | saish_ | if u go to profile it shows that we can edit but still wait to get reply form other people |
| 16:06.47 | saish_ | it says it should match ur name on legal document so better changed it to original surname |
| 16:07.04 | Conan_ | I am unable to do it |
| 16:07.22 | Conan_ | Do I need to write a mail or something to GSoC asking for this issue? |
| 16:08.18 | saish_ | wait here i will contact my gsoc friend |
| 16:09.10 | Mc | !proof |
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| 16:19.25 | Conan_ | I am waiting here |
| 16:19.33 | Conan_ | I kept a mail to them |
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| 16:21.38 | connan | I am here by mistaken closen the window @saisa |
| 16:22.00 | saish_ | no problem |
| 17:01.23 | r0bby | connan: type /part |
| 17:01.29 | r0bby | That will help you part |
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| 20:05.31 | tkamppeter | Hi, anyone here who gets the mails to the gsoc-support e-mail address? |
| 20:12.03 | valorie | this time of year I doubt it, tkamppeter |
| 20:12.53 | tkamppeter | valorie, why? We are in preparation for this year's GSoC. |
| 20:19.42 | valorie | and so are they -- reading those emails for one thing! |
| 20:20.02 | valorie | irc would be just a distraction perhaps |
| 20:20.28 | valorie | I've found them very responsive when I've written |
| 20:31.22 | Quozl | Freso: sugar labs. we have "musicblocks" as one of our open source software products. contributions welcome. ;-) not yet one of my focii but i am familiar with it. |
| 20:46.08 | olly | tkamppeter: if it's something we might be able to help with just ask - otherwise you probably just need to wait for them to get to it |
| 20:46.16 | olly | i'd imagine they get a lot of mail around now |
| 20:47.12 | olly | i just had a response to an email sent at the weekend (about something minor and non-urgent) if you want a data point |
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| 20:51.30 | tkamppeter | olly, it is about that we have a near-blind mentor, he has to resort to text-based browsing for Google's web app and in text mode there is n WANT TO MENTOR button. |
| 20:51.55 | tkamppeter | Now I want to ask whether the admins could assign him as mentor to the desired proposal. |
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| 20:53.09 | r0bby | I almost always get a response from gsoc-support@ |
| 20:54.10 | r0bby | That said, you can probably have your org admin email them -- give them time, I think it might be down to just Stephanie right now |
| 20:54.26 | r0bby | Maybe Robert_S is helping out as well, not sure |
| 20:54.42 | r0bby | (I don't have visibilty into things, just what I see from the outside) |
| 20:55.19 | olly | there's no requirement to use "want to mentor" - it's just there as a way for mentors to indicate to admins as a tool |
| 20:55.45 | olly | it's the assignment by the org admin which matters |
| 20:57.06 | olly | i think it's fairly common to do the selection in a shared spreadsheet or similar, then just fill in the values in the web app |
| 21:06.52 | tkamppeter | olly, so when I select a student I can choose a mentor for him who did not click WANT TO MENTOR, any of our org's mentors? |
| 21:07.20 | olly | tkamppeter: i believe so |
| 21:10.01 | olly | and the recent mail says (my emphasis) "If you are interested in being a mentor for a given proposal then you *can* click the purple "Want to Mentor" button to *help* your Org Admin know that you are interested" |
| 21:10.10 | tkamppeter | olly, thank you very much. I got also an answer from Stephanie Taylor now and it is actually the case that I can choose any mentor. |
| 21:10.11 | olly | which reads as if it isn't compulsory |
| 21:10.42 | olly | cool |
| 21:12.35 | Quozl | interpretation may vary; "can" is above "may" in my mind, but that's something that a technical writer could fix. oh, that's an idea. technical writers. ;-) |
| 21:28.45 | r0bby | Quozl: the team that runs GSoC is surprisingly small and they are hiring |
| 21:38.26 | Quozl | r0bby: yes, i've met them at linux.conf.au ... had lunch. ;-) |
| 21:39.24 | r0bby | They're awesome folks -- known them for years -- aside from Cat, Stephanie is the last remaining person who has been around from the days when I was a student from 2008-10 |
| 21:39.48 | r0bby | Since thne I've mentored/OA'd |
| 21:53.27 | valorie | all the comments and marking "I want to mentor" are very helpful to me as an OA |
| 21:53.38 | valorie | they should be useful to other mentors as well |
| 21:54.26 | Mc | do you have a rule of thumb on what to base decisions for "borderline proposals" ? |
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| 21:57.00 | valorie | "go with your gut" |
| 21:57.04 | valorie | lol |
| 21:57.12 | perepujal | Forgot them unles the student has already impressed you |
| 21:57.23 | valorie | really, we look at their commits to see if they are impressive or poor |
| 21:57.41 | valorie | and their previous involvement |
| 21:58.02 | valorie | because we're not just choosing proposals, but *students* |
| 21:59.24 | Mc | involvement is recent but has made several emails on the ml (which is more than most^^), but previous commits have not been impressive |
| 22:00.07 | valorie | I mean, I rely on the mentors to make the commitment to mentor or not |
| 22:00.22 | valorie | if nobody wants to mentor, that says something important |
| 22:00.28 | Mc | (my "gut" would say there is a chance for a success but at a very high mentoring cost for the mentor to guide the student) |
| 22:01.03 | valorie | burning out a mentor -- not worth it, IMO |
| 22:01.23 | valorie | unless there is a very strong team behind them to help carry that burden |
| 22:01.40 | Mc | not really |
| 22:01.44 | valorie | mentors make the whole engine run |
| 22:02.02 | valorie | you don't burn out the engine on your car |
| 22:05.56 | Quozl | i agree. |
| 22:07.10 | valorie | in KDE our standard is two mentors per student |
| 22:07.41 | valorie | it works with just one if the student is already very experienced and student and mentor already have worked together |
| 22:08.08 | valorie | but still I like to see a whole-team involvement, because that's how the student becomes a KDE developer |
| 22:08.20 | valorie | and that's our ultimate aim with GSoC |
| 22:18.48 | Mc | thanks :) |
| 22:18.49 | Quozl | yes, that is best. unfortunately, some of the attitudes of my mentors would more closely fit an extraction or mining model rather than become a regular developer. |
| 22:19.31 | valorie | some orgs don't mind code dumps and use GSoC to get them |
| 22:19.42 | valorie | which is fine -- but it doesn't grow your org |
| 22:19.53 | valorie | and now you have more code to maintain |
| 22:19.56 | Quozl | exactly. |
| 22:21.10 | valorie | IMO one of the functions of the OA is to mentor the mentors in some respects |
| 22:21.20 | valorie | not in their area of expertise |
| 22:21.30 | valorie | but in helping them take a wider view |
| 22:21.52 | Mc | we're a very small org for gsoc ^^ |
| 22:22.18 | Quozl | yes. i'm oa with two others as oa. i'll have to ask them if they are into growth of org or code dumping. i think one is into code dumping. |
| 22:23.34 | valorie | everyone started small at some point! |
| 22:23.39 | Quozl | hey, is the 25 post thread on [gsoc mentors] about plagiarizing interesting or insightful at all? i'm hesitating looking at it. |
| 22:24.10 | valorie | it's .... OK |
| 22:24.29 | valorie | it's an issue we should all stay aware of |
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| 22:25.14 | Quozl | i'm sure we had sock puppets one year; the commit quality was fantastic for a student until they began working on their project. ;-] |
| 22:25.26 | valorie | oh dear |
| 22:25.35 | valorie | that's so discouraging |
| 22:25.53 | Quozl | i couldn't understand why they didn't keep paying their sock puppet. perhaps the price went up suddenly. |
| 22:27.12 | Freso | Quozl: Iâve seen worse threads. At least itâs not full of 25 paragraph mails. Most a single-line ones. |
| 22:27.13 | Freso | *are |
| 22:27.27 | Quozl | thanks. |
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| 22:28.02 | Freso | Do you remember with Usenet that messages would have a `Lines` count? Pepperide Farm remembers⦠|
| 22:28.09 | valorie | Quozl: lol, that's one way of looking at it |
| 22:28.17 | valorie | the other way, is |
| 22:28.24 | Freso | *-ridge |
| 22:28.33 | valorie | we want that excellent sock puppet! |
| 22:28.48 | Quozl | and if the student is the only way we can reach them ... let's do it. |
| 22:29.30 | Freso | (Of course line count is useless with all the people on the mailing list who donât know how to quote e-mailsâ¦) |
| 22:30.21 | Freso | *grumble grumble grumble* |
| 22:30.46 | Quozl | yeah. i used to care about that. i began with usenet. nowadays, if someone wants to top post, i'll top post back at them. i've never duplicated their entire quoted body eight times below my new text. |
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| 22:31.01 | Quozl | ... although that's tempting. |
| 22:31.20 | Freso | Well, part of knowing how to quote also includes knowing to not quote everything. |
| 22:31.50 | Quozl | ... but i can compensate by playing games with the reply-to address setting it to a mixed case variant of the mailing list. ;-) |
| 22:32.28 | Freso | (It also irks me when people who bottom post leave a bunch of quoted message text at the end, but then donât actually have a comment for it, the text is just leftover/left in! D:) |
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| 22:47.42 | Mc | I admire Cat's patience in ending those threads |
| 22:48.02 | Mc | Stephanie* |
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