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| 01:07.18 | daurnimator | Is there any way to get feedback as an org? |
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| 01:13.19 | terri | !help |
| 01:13.20 | gsocbot | terri: use "!<factoid>" to display a factoid, and "gsocbot learn <factoid> = <factoid text>" to teach me a new factoid |
| 01:13.30 | terri | ah, that's not the right one |
| 01:14.45 | olly | !support | daurnimator |
| 01:14.46 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 01:14.50 | terri | that's the one |
| 01:15.13 | daurnimator | do they give feedback though? is this a common request? |
| 01:15.17 | olly | I guess there's nothing in the rejection email about it? |
| 01:15.27 | terri | daurnimator: in previous years, they told orgs who wanted feedback to email them. I'm guessing they'll still give you feedback if you ask nicely. |
| 01:15.43 | olly | they've certainly been happy to in the past |
| 01:15.54 | olly | it used to be a public session on IRC but the length got out of hand |
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| 01:17.05 | terri | lessons learned from the public session on IRC: it's mostly due to your ideas page not being what they were looking for. |
| 01:17.44 | olly | daurnimator: probably the top two things were "improve your ideas list" and "we can't accept everyone who applies" |
| 01:18.36 | terri | They also do some balance to make sure there's programming language and project diversity, but even so then you usually didn't make the cut because someone with similar properties had a better idea page. :) |
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| 01:22.18 | terri | I don't know exactly what google is looking for in an ideas page, but as and org admin for an umbrella org who reviews the ideas pages of people who work with us, there's a few ideas page problems we see a lot. |
| 01:23.43 | terri | 1. projects that don't have enough information. You kind of need to write them such that a first year university student can at least tell whether this is something they can do or not. |
| 01:24.53 | terri | 2. Projects that aren't about coding (e.g. ones about documentation, making videos, doing art) |
| 01:25.54 | cbilt | the project i am applying for doesn't really have the usual "info for GSOCers" page |
| 01:26.07 | terri | 3. Projects that have a high chance of failure due to things outside of the student's control. e.g. rely on data that hasn't been collected, collaboration with other groups who haven't been contacted, refactoring that the devs haven't done before the coding period starts |
| 01:26.08 | cbilt | maybe intentionally to repel people |
| 01:26.22 | fundamental | I know for last year's submission I spent a lot of time ensuring that the ideas page had a good diversity of tasks and skill levels |
| 01:29.53 | terri | Sometimes I complain at people if their idea is "work on this bug" and "this bug" is a 40-message long argument with no summary of what work needs to be done, and sometimes no clear consensus about the work either. |
| 01:32.34 | pixelherodev | Zig got rejected? :( |
| 01:40.49 | olly | "a link to a bug tracker is not an ideas list" as someone used to say |
| 01:47.02 | fundamental | pixelherodev: not a particularly great looking ideas list there it seems |
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| 02:26.41 | daurnimator | pixelherodev: indeed :( |
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