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| 04:43.07 | aseemtejpal | Hi! Is it too late to talk to organisations because I am pretty late and the student applications have already begun. |
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| 16:08.26 | r0bby | Basim: email their mailing list and ask questions about the project |
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| 17:49.10 | r0bby | Is the GSoC site slow for any mentors? |
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| 18:19.05 | olly | seems ok to me |
| 18:19.39 | olly | tip for students - if using google docs for your draft version, check it's readable using a private/incognito browser windows |
| 18:20.04 | sakshichopkar | If this time I don't get selected for GSOC then how many chances do I have to participate in it again? |
| 18:20.11 | olly | failing to make the proposal readable is a very common failing |
| 18:20.27 | olly | sakshichopkar: as many times as you're a student still |
| 18:20.50 | olly | there's a limit if you're accepted, but not just for applying |
| 18:21.10 | sakshichopkar | Okay. Than you so much olly |
| 18:39.32 | r0bby | olly: I wish there was a limit for applying to discourage those who submit garbage proposals |
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| 20:35.17 | medo | hello everyone |
| 20:36.54 | teepee | hi |
| 20:37.01 | zleap | hi |
| 20:37.56 | zleap | Maybe more support (not just from us really) in writing good proposals |
| 20:38.22 | zleap | universities if they encourage people to take part should really help students put a proposal together |
| 20:38.41 | teepee | why? |
| 20:39.31 | zleap | well I would guess students should be capable of writing a proposal anyway |
| 20:40.16 | zleap | r0bby, do we get a lot of bad proposals ? |
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| 20:41.22 | medo | guys |
| 20:42.14 | medo | as a question I wanted to know as a transcript, sending the courses i'm enrolled in for this spring is enough right? |
| 20:48.01 | r0bby | lol |
| 20:48.41 | r0bby | zleap: I got a freaking thesis proposal I think and one patient research study proposal |
| 20:48.45 | r0bby | Every year |
| 20:48.56 | zleap | hmm |
| 20:49.28 | zleap | you would think someome writing a thesis would be able to read the info on GSoC| and know what to submit eh |
| 20:49.42 | olly | there's a fairly thick seam of proposals that stand no chance at the bottom - i think some students imagine it's more of a lottery |
| 20:50.05 | r0bby | and I just got one in |
| 20:52.04 | r0bby | This is what you don't submit as a proposal https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BhXastJn/ |
| 20:56.06 | zleap | eek |
| 20:56.17 | valorie | if students don't yet know how to write a decent proposal, now is the time to learn |
| 20:56.31 | zleap | how did they get in to uni in the first place |
| 20:56.39 | zleap | unless english isn't their first language |
| 20:56.53 | valorie | not up to *anyone* to help them, except the mentors to craft the actual idea/implementation |
| 20:56.55 | r0bby | zleap: oh did I mention that I made clear in our profile to not do this? |
| 20:57.09 | zleap | sorry |
| 20:57.12 | r0bby | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QBXcNZM0/ |
| 20:57.19 | r0bby | Nah it's on our org profile page |
| 20:57.53 | r0bby | I state outright I'll simply ignore them |
| 20:58.14 | zleap | so is the idea to help contribute to existing projects mostly |
| 20:58.24 | r0bby | existing project ideas |
| 20:58.31 | zleap | so say improve libreoffice and add a specific feature |
| 20:58.44 | r0bby | I'm not with that org |
| 20:58.48 | r0bby | My org: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5182975743885312/ |
| 20:59.29 | zleap | that looks pretty neat |
| 21:00.35 | zleap | i only do very simple coding at the moment at home |
| 21:00.49 | zleap | i am trying to promote google code in, which is the inititiave for 13 - 17 year olds |
| 21:03.48 | valorie | sort of orthogonal to GSoC |
| 21:03.52 | valorie | at least right now |
| 21:04.13 | valorie | although GOSPO runs both |
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| 21:05.33 | medo | sorry for asking previously about enrollment proof issue did not know it's not allowed |
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| 21:05.44 | r0bby | !support | medo |
| 21:05.45 | gsocbot | r0bby: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 21:05.51 | r0bby | ^^^ do that |
| 21:05.59 | medo | Thanks ^^ |
| 21:06.22 | r0bby | No OSPO staff lurks here anymore |
| 21:06.38 | r0bby | The engineer that does a lot of the coding isn't around here |
| 21:06.45 | r0bby | anymore lol |
| 21:08.23 | medo | I can still keep up with my studies while having the project of google summer code right? |
| 21:08.40 | valorie | probably not |
| 21:08.57 | medo | but i'm in the second term already |
| 21:09.05 | valorie | unless you are extremely disciplined and manage your time well |
| 21:09.17 | valorie | some have done so |
| 21:09.27 | valorie | they have been the exception |
| 21:09.43 | medo | aha i understand |
| 21:11.11 | medo | if i'm not newbie in coding and did a project before using c++ will that be the same? |
| 21:12.12 | medo | and are mentors restricted? i mean when in finals i won't be available as much as in normal days |
| 21:13.57 | medo | sorry, if the questions are a lot but i wanted to join :/ |
| 21:15.36 | valorie | oooo, some of the students are responding already |
| 21:15.40 | valorie | that's a good sign |
| 21:16.01 | valorie | mentors restricted? |
| 21:16.12 | valorie | can you say what you mean by that', medo? |
| 21:16.33 | valorie | most of use are looking for developers, not code |
| 21:16.38 | valorie | most of us |
| 21:16.52 | valorie | we need your code, of course |
| 21:16.54 | medo | i meant stricted sorry* |
| 21:17.04 | valorie | stricted? |
| 21:17.11 | valorie | still don't know what you mean |
| 21:17.31 | medo | i mean if i'm in finals and cannot be available as much as normal days |
| 21:17.37 | medo | will that be an issue? |
| 21:17.42 | valorie | you should mention when your finals are scheduled in your timeline |
| 21:17.53 | valorie | and mention how you will deal with that |
| 21:18.17 | medo | aha |
| 21:18.28 | valorie | many students have some scheduling issues -- what is important is planning around that |
| 21:18.37 | valorie | disclosure is all |
| 21:18.52 | medo | may you tell me more about the nature of work during the 3 months like is it tasks required to finish in a specific time and how many hours needed per week? |
| 21:18.58 | valorie | if you lie and pretend that nothing is happening, that's terrible |
| 21:19.02 | valorie | the worst |
| 21:19.14 | valorie | it is full time |
| 21:19.24 | valorie | 30 to 40 hours per week |
| 21:19.52 | valorie | and yes, the 3 evaluation periods are set in advance and there are zero exceptions |
| 21:20.22 | valorie | you yourself state your milestones and deliverables in your timelines |
| 21:20.24 | medo | aha so it doesnot depend on how good i'm? the hours per week i mean? |
| 21:21.06 | valorie | and if you are applying to KDE, please remember to put "writing unit tests" and "writing user docs and commenting code" all during the timeline |
| 21:21.29 | valorie | it takes time even for the very best to get work done |
| 21:21.43 | valorie | there are no shortcuts even for coding genius' |
| 21:22.32 | valorie | if you propose some work and deliverables, nobody will be monitoring your time at the keyboard |
| 21:22.51 | valorie | what counts is that you communicate with your org and mentor/team |
| 21:22.57 | valorie | and that you do the work |
| 21:23.35 | valorie | your mentor is the one who does the evaluation, with the assistance of us admins |
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| 21:24.22 | valorie | org admins |
| 21:24.23 | medo82 | sorry got disconnected after the KDE comment that was written |
| 21:24.38 | medo82 | so as a suggestion from you |
| 21:25.49 | valorie | have pasted what I wrote to you in a pm |
| 21:25.52 | valorie | have I answered your questions? |
| 21:26.06 | medo82 | thanks for sending them |
| 21:26.10 | valorie | yw |
| 21:26.29 | valorie | as for how strict your mentor will be -- who knows |
| 21:26.34 | medo82 | yes i just wanted to ask you the best to do as a suggestion |
| 21:26.44 | valorie | I know how we (KDE) works |
| 21:26.55 | medo82 | what is KDEstand for |
| 21:26.57 | valorie | and some of our mentors are not strict, and some very |
| 21:27.13 | medo82 | ah got it it's a team inside |
| 21:27.16 | valorie | it used to be kool desktop environment years ago |
| 21:27.35 | valorie | we're a community who make all sorts of software, mostly for users |
| 21:27.49 | valorie | no longer just desktop |
| 21:28.21 | valorie | most software runs on win/lin/mac |
| 21:28.27 | valorie | some on android |
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| 21:29.08 | medo | sorry internet got some issues since 2 days |
| 21:29.47 | medo | as a last question what would you suggest me to do? i'm in term 2 having 7 courses |
| 21:30.12 | medo | and i planned to join summer course and it's from july to august |
| 21:30.43 | medo | will i have enough time to join google summer of code? |
| 21:31.27 | medo | note that in summer course iwill have 2 courses only |
| 21:31.55 | medo | what do you think mr valorie |
| 21:32.07 | valorie | mr? |
| 21:32.11 | valorie | sheesh |
| 21:32.14 | valorie | I'm a grandmother |
| 21:32.22 | medo | xDD sorry |
| 21:32.31 | valorie | I think you should follow your hearty |
| 21:32.35 | valorie | heart |
| 21:32.53 | medo | i want to join but i donot want to mess things up |
| 21:32.57 | valorie | if you have not yet chosen an org, you are rather late |
| 21:33.13 | medo | i did not yet yes |
| 21:33.15 | valorie | if you have favorite free software, fix it |
| 21:33.34 | valorie | prepare now for next year |
| 21:33.47 | valorie | if you are not running free software yet, start now |
| 21:33.57 | valorie | and fix some of your favorites |
| 21:34.06 | valorie | hang out in projects |
| 21:34.19 | valorie | learn who you want to work with |
| 21:35.37 | medo | i donot understand the point of if you have favorite free software fix it |
| 21:36.02 | valorie | there are always bugs |
| 21:36.11 | valorie | find them, report them, fix them |
| 21:36.18 | valorie | that's how to start |
| 21:36.21 | valorie | help out |
| 21:36.25 | medo | aha |
| 21:36.44 | valorie | I started in amarok, my favorite music player |
| 21:36.52 | valorie | fixed their user docs |
| 21:36.58 | valorie | and here I am |
| 21:37.01 | valorie | lol |
| 21:37.05 | medo | xD |
| 21:38.06 | valorie | I think while you are in classes full-time you do not have the time |
| 21:38.37 | valorie | do free software in your spare time and maybe next year you'll see your way clear to participate |
| 21:38.55 | valorie | even up to phd students can do a GSoC |
| 21:38.59 | valorie | there is no hurry |
| 21:39.13 | zleap | valorie, +1 to that |
| 21:39.41 | medo | by free software you mean do on my own in my free time right? |
| 21:39.54 | valorie | all free software projects that I know of need more developers |
| 21:40.10 | zleap | and testers, documentation |
| 21:40.15 | valorie | as well as more writers, artists, sysadmins, security people |
| 21:40.18 | valorie | etc |
| 21:40.22 | valorie | admins |
| 21:40.38 | zleap | i am trying to promote that too |
| 21:40.38 | valorie | medo: find some stuff you love and make it better |
| 21:40.40 | medo | you mean like people who make things on their own and creat their developers team? |
| 21:40.51 | valorie | people do that, yes |
| 21:40.52 | zleap | well existing projects need help |
| 21:40.53 | medo | like making my own game,etc? |
| 21:41.08 | valorie | however, I think it's best to start out helping |
| 21:41.18 | valorie | and get to know the infra |
| 21:41.19 | medo | aha |
| 21:41.42 | medo | you know some group or webs where i can find who to help? |
| 21:41.43 | valorie | then if you wanto to do your own, you will know what it needed |
| 21:41.48 | zleap | i am trying to figure out how to get people started, so if you want to say work on a project what programming languages are they using |
| 21:41.51 | valorie | look at the org list |
| 21:41.57 | valorie | they *all* need help |
| 21:42.16 | medo | sorry but what is the org list? |
| 21:42.16 | valorie | zleap: that is listed on the org profiles |
| 21:42.25 | zleap | ah ok |
| 21:42.32 | zleap | so i will use that as a reference generally |
| 21:42.36 | valorie | medo: have your read https://g.co/gsoc ? |
| 21:42.50 | zleap | so regarding googlecodeIn why is that in december |
| 21:43.33 | medo | yes i did but not until the end |
| 21:45.13 | medo | so i can help these organizations without being in the google summer ? |
| 21:46.28 | zleap | yes, |
| 21:46.47 | zleap | i think so |
| 21:46.51 | medo | by going in their webs and contacting them only right? |
| 21:47.02 | zleap | i would ask valorie |
| 21:48.21 | valorie | they list the way they want to be contacted |
| 21:48.39 | medo | aha |
| 21:48.42 | valorie | whether it is IRC, mail list, slack /matrix/telegram etc |
| 21:48.49 | medo | ah by the way i'm happy and glad to talk to someone experienced as you valorie |
| 21:48.59 | valorie | cool! |
| 21:49.04 | valorie | that's why we're here |
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| 21:51.18 | medo | another disconnection |
| 21:51.56 | medo | i donot want to leave even after knowing what i'm going to do as i liked talking and knowing more stuff from you valorie |
| 21:52.15 | r0bby | medo: https://ircclod.com is good |
| 21:52.20 | r0bby | I use it |
| 21:52.35 | medo | doesnot load |
| 21:52.40 | valorie | I think that's irccloud |
| 21:52.49 | r0bby | hrrps://irccloud.com |
| 21:52.51 | r0bby | better |
| 21:52.59 | r0bby | It's $5 USD a month |
| 21:53.17 | r0bby | Otherwise they disconnect your session after I think 36 hrs? |
| 21:53.27 | valorie | medo I'm always here but occasionally am not looking at the chan |
| 21:53.41 | medo | aha got it r0bby |
| 21:53.43 | r0bby | medo: valorie is an old hat |
| 21:53.52 | r0bby | I've been around a long time too |
| 21:53.53 | medo | that's nice valorie |
| 21:53.54 | r0bby | over 10 years |
| 21:54.01 | medo | owo |
| 21:54.02 | valorie | oh gosh, how insulting |
| 21:54.05 | valorie | lol |
| 21:54.11 | medo | how old are you both? |
| 21:54.13 | medo | i'm 19 |
| 21:54.14 | valorie | <--- not old, and not a hat!!!! |
| 21:54.20 | valorie | is 66 |
| 21:54.31 | zleap | 44 |
| 21:54.36 | medo | nice :D |
| 21:54.39 | valorie | r0bby: <3 |
| 21:54.47 | medo | i'm a kid to both of you then |
| 21:54.52 | valorie | r0bby is a young hat |
| 21:54.54 | r0bby | 37 |
| 21:55.10 | r0bby | valorie is the honorary grandma :D |
| 21:55.18 | r0bby | I say that with love |
| 21:55.22 | valorie | hey, I'm a real grandma! |
| 21:55.30 | medo | yes you are xD |
| 21:55.34 | valorie | only one grandchild though |
| 21:55.34 | r0bby | But not my grandma! |
| 21:55.40 | valorie | pish tosh |
| 21:55.46 | valorie | I'm your grandma |
| 21:55.57 | medo | do you work at google valorie? |
| 21:56.06 | valorie | oh heck no |
| 21:56.07 | r0bby | None of us do |
| 21:56.21 | r0bby | we volunteered to do this |
| 21:56.26 | valorie | if someone offered to pay me for what I do, I would say no |
| 21:56.35 | r0bby | It's been floated to pay me |
| 21:56.37 | medo | that's cool r0bby |
| 21:56.42 | medo | why valorie? :v |
| 21:56.45 | valorie | my time is my own |
| 21:56.46 | r0bby | but I don'tt hink I'd take it |
| 21:56.54 | valorie | and I don't need the money |
| 21:57.07 | medo | ah i read it wrong i thought u had a problem with google |
| 21:57.16 | medo | and donot want to work for them |
| 21:57.18 | medo | but ok got it |
| 21:57.30 | medo | and i totally agree with you |
| 21:57.37 | valorie | I have lots of problems with Google the company |
| 21:57.49 | valorie | but not with GSoC and GCi |
| 21:57.53 | valorie | they are great |
| 21:57.56 | medo | why r0bby |
| 21:58.06 | medo | what is GCI |
| 21:58.07 | r0bby | I trust the folks running GSoC and GCI -- not so much for Google at large |
| 21:58.28 | r0bby | 2 of the people who got canned recently due to their organizing are either friends or acquaintances of mine |
| 21:58.42 | medo | it seems like i know nothing about the world :x |
| 21:58.45 | r0bby | medo: Google Code-in, for pre-university students |
| 21:59.03 | medo | aha i'm at university now sadly |
| 21:59.24 | medo | health care engineering management department |
| 21:59.26 | zleap | i would think it also provides an excellent pathway to GSoC too |
| 21:59.32 | valorie | it's great to get kids into free software |
| 21:59.32 | medo | we have a lot of software |
| 21:59.57 | valorie | not sure about a road to GSoC, but we have had a few take that road |
| 21:59.59 | zleap | and a lot of abandoned software too |
| 22:00.14 | r0bby | zleap: it can |
| 22:00.24 | valorie | medo: if you are new to IRC, you might not know about channel topics |
| 22:00.27 | r0bby | I've found that we don't benefit from GCI as much as we do with GSoC |
| 22:00.41 | medo | no i donot know |
| 22:00.47 | valorie | if your client doesn't display it, you can run the command /topic on a newline |
| 22:00.52 | r0bby | so if I don't have enough committed mentors, it's a lot of work and stress for little return |
| 22:01.11 | r0bby | I burned out bad one year |
| 22:01.15 | valorie | r0bby: not sure I agree |
| 22:01.27 | valorie | it does take strong mentors though |
| 22:01.34 | r0bby | valorie: For us -- I don't think we retained any GCI students |
| 22:01.39 | valorie | the return is to free software |
| 22:01.47 | valorie | not so much the org itself |
| 22:01.52 | medo | topics |
| 22:02.09 | valorie | irc commands start with / |
| 22:02.10 | medo | it writes set the topics |
| 22:02.13 | valorie | on a newline |
| 22:02.20 | r0bby | I agree -- just a pain to run and make sure everyone does things I need them to do |
| 22:02.33 | valorie | I said 'topic' |
| 22:02.34 | r0bby | A year off here and there is good for mental health |
| 22:02.39 | valorie | not 'topics' |
| 22:02.46 | r0bby | type /topic |
| 22:02.48 | medo | still |
| 22:02.50 | r0bby | no space |
| 22:02.56 | medo | it writes set topic |
| 22:02.56 | valorie | on a new line |
| 22:03.06 | r0bby | medo: no it shows the topic |
| 22:03.15 | valorie | hmmm, crap client then |
| 22:03.18 | valorie | lol |
| 22:03.19 | r0bby | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6VPAcIcc/ |
| 22:03.27 | valorie | <3s konversation |
| 22:03.30 | medo | not working :V |
| 22:03.44 | r0bby | Switch to irccloud :) |
| 22:04.13 | valorie | medo: it shows clearly the topic |
| 22:04.21 | valorie | shows Google Summer of Code: https://g.co/gsoc | Google Code-in https://g.co/gci |
| 22:04.25 | valorie | which is the topic |
| 22:04.43 | medo | aha got it |
| 22:06.01 | valorie | not all channels have one set |
| 22:06.08 | valorie | but most tech chans do |
| 22:06.31 | valorie | if you join a new channel imo the first thing to do is read it |
| 22:06.35 | valorie | and the links in it |
| 22:06.46 | zleap | get a feel for the channel |
| 22:06.52 | valorie | yep |
| 22:10.43 | medo | valorie have you got some more advices for me? |
| 22:11.00 | valorie | medo: my fingers are getting tired |
| 22:11.03 | valorie | lol |
| 22:11.08 | medo | xDD |
| 22:11.21 | valorie | you are welcome in this chan even if you will not participate directly this year |
| 22:11.29 | valorie | hang out and learn |
| 22:11.42 | valorie | that's always the best thing to do in irc anyway |
| 22:11.50 | valorie | far too many ask a question and leave |
| 22:11.57 | valorie | right before I'm gonna respond! |
| 22:12.07 | medo | :D |
| 22:12.15 | medo | xDDDD |
| 22:19.17 | zleap | valorie, that is common |
| 22:19.37 | valorie | far too common, which is why I mention it |
| 22:20.00 | zleap | i should mention that on my blog too |
| 22:24.26 | zleap | i'll put this on tomorrows conference post |
| 22:24.27 | zleap | Everyone is welcome on IRC, however please be patient when asking questions, as not everyone is around, someone will respond in due course. |
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| 22:27.55 | valorie | I would break that into two sentences |
| 22:28.16 | valorie | or three |
| 22:28.26 | valorie | you have some comma splice there |
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| 23:57.56 | r0bby | zleap: Everyone is welcome on IRC however, please be patient when asking questions, as not everyone is around. Someone will respond in due course. |
| 23:58.08 | r0bby | er they left lol |