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| 03:54.24 | domar | I withdrew from GSoC before friday because I had another plan and someone else could take my spot. However my other plan did not work out and I would like to reverse my withdrawal. Would this be possible ? |
| 03:58.58 | olly | domar: if the webapp doesn't have an "unwithdraw" button you'll need to email support |
| 03:59.03 | olly | !support | domar |
| 03:59.03 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 04:07.32 | valorie | I doubt it, btw |
| 04:07.48 | valorie | we had a student withdraw and everything disappeared from the webapp |
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| 04:11.40 | olly | yeah, i'd imagine if the org had selected you before they will have selected another student at this point |
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| 05:21.22 | snitin315 | When the students and projects are likely to be announced for gsoc 2020? |
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| 05:36.31 | anuj63[m] | 18 UTC as written in https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 05:46.48 | olly | they already left |
| 05:47.06 | olly | and waited just over a minute before giving up |
| 05:49.48 | anuj63[m] | I gotta turn back on joining and leaving notifications |
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| 08:20.29 | *** topic/#gsoc is Google Summer of Code: https://g.co/gsoc | Google Code-in https://g.co/gci |
| 08:20.53 | The_LoudSpeaker | Capslock: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 08:21.15 | The_LoudSpeaker | Ow. they left. |
| 08:22.39 | Mc | haha |
| 08:22.56 | Mc | I guess we'll have 10 more for the next 10 hours |
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| 09:10.18 | Capslock | is the result out ?? |
| 09:11.18 | teepee | no, you just missed someone linking to the timeline - https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 09:11.45 | teepee | but also consider that they send out a big batch of emails, so that can take a while |
| 09:12.39 | Capslock | thanks! that helped |
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| 10:53.15 | nikhilmuz | When is the result to be declared? |
| 10:55.45 | teepee | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 10:56.50 | teepee | !timeline |
| 10:56.51 | gsocbot | teepee: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 10:57.12 | nikhilmuz | Thanks |
| 10:57.55 | nikhilmuz | Actually on dashboard no time was mentioned just date ð
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| 11:01.18 | teepee | yeah, it does have a "view full timeline" though, at least on the mentor dashboard :) |
| 11:01.41 | teepee | ahh, right that is a different one |
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| 13:33.35 | ayanbiswas | Hello Everyone |
| 13:33.48 | ayanbiswas | When will the Student Selection Results will be out ? |
| 13:35.26 | teepee | oh, that patience :) |
| 13:40.07 | bluen00b | lol last year it was 1800 UTC so probably then https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/2019/mentor-oa-announcements |
| 13:40.30 | bluen00b | wait nope that's not what I thought it was, ignore that |
| 13:40.53 | bluen00b | that's student evaluation, not announcement selection |
| 13:41.04 | shivam-kapila | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 13:42.21 | bluen00b | ð |
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| 14:08.33 | psutcliffe | i was in gsoc last year and got paid. i have to pay taxes for the payment now. my question is: did Google pay taxes on these payments in the US? |
| 14:08.44 | psutcliffe | if so, my tax rate is different. i vaguely recall reading about this somewhere last year. can't remember where |
| 14:09.52 | Mc | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/tax-forms |
| 14:10.59 | psutcliffe | doesn't really mention it though? |
| 14:11.03 | psutcliffe | i have read that page. |
| 14:33.50 | jyx | Maybe drop a mail to gsoc support psutcliffe |
| 14:35.14 | teepee | hum, no |
| 14:35.23 | teepee | there's a huge box on top of that page |
| 14:35.37 | psutcliffe | indeed |
| 14:36.02 | psutcliffe | well no one but google can tell me if they have paid tax on their payments or not |
| 14:36.06 | teepee | and it says what's maybe a bit annoying but the only reasonable answer to tax questions |
| 14:36.17 | psutcliffe | yes, but who else can say? |
| 14:36.26 | teepee | get local advice, tax rules are just too complicated in most cases to ask random people |
| 14:36.29 | psutcliffe | i just have this very vague memory of seeing the answer to this exact question somewhere |
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| 14:36.37 | psutcliffe | teepee, i have local advice |
| 14:36.44 | psutcliffe | i need to know if they paid tax or not, and how much |
| 14:37.14 | teepee | well, that's probably a specific enough question to actually ask them, as that's not general advice |
| 14:39.40 | psutcliffe | basically, if they paid tax on that money, i pay less |
| 14:39.44 | psutcliffe | i dunno how it works tbh |
| 14:39.45 | psutcliffe | whatever. |
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| 14:50.48 | noisette | Hi, guys. Is the reasult of application for GSoC 2020 already announced? |
| 14:51.32 | psutcliffe | noisette, you will get an e-mail |
| 14:52.08 | noisette | Thank you for the information. |
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| 16:52.33 | barch | any idea when the results are to be annouced? |
| 16:54.21 | teepee | !timeline @ barch |
| 16:54.22 | gsocbot | @ barch: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 16:55.17 | barch | Sorry about that. Didn't check it earlier. Good luck y'all. |
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| 17:02.00 | yusufketen | Hello, when will GSOC results be announced? |
| 17:03.54 | teepee | !timeline @ yusufketen |
| 17:03.55 | gsocbot | @ yusufketen: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 17:04.05 | anuj63[m] | About an hour. Emails can take a bit longer though |
| 17:04.24 | yusufketen | teepee today is may 4 :) |
| 17:04.31 | yusufketen | anuj63[m] thank you :) |
| 17:04.40 | yusufketen | oh sorry |
| 17:04.44 | teepee | yes, so it might be today |
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| 17:49.53 | downey | here come the emails :) |
| 17:50.34 | downey | (it takes a while to run through all of them) |
| 17:50.45 | teepee | yep, just got one too |
| 17:53.05 | downey | Video: "Congrats! You're a Google Summer of Code Student" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb5N6mD5cbg |
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| 18:01.33 | downey | "This year, Google has funded 1199 student projects for 199 open source organizations who benefit from active involvement from new developers." |
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| 18:11.58 | obviyus | Just got my acceptance email as well! |
| 18:12.45 | chtnnh | congrats obviyus |
| 18:12.54 | obviyus | chtnnh: Thanks! |
| 18:13.35 | downey | \o/ |
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| 18:19.31 | Ahmed | Can anyone know why they weren't accepted by a team |
| 18:19.54 | adelle123 | anyone accepted at QEMU ? |
| 18:24.30 | verm__ | obviyus: congrats |
| 18:24.49 | verm__ | Ahmed: you should email the orginisation and ask they'd be more than happy to let you know. |
| 18:27.25 | downey | keep in mind, sometimes there isn't really a good or great answer why you weren't accepted. GSoC is very competitive and it could come down to "weren't enough mentors or slots", or "someone else had an equally good proposal but was 2 minutes earlier", etc. |
| 18:27.44 | downey | but yes, you can always ask in case there is feedback that you can use in the future! |
| 18:33.31 | obviyus | verm__: Thanks! |
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| 18:55.30 | Quozl | Ahmed: on the other hand, the GSoC dashboard deletes all the projects that have not been selected (at least that's what happened for org Sugar Labs), and so an org admin is probably going to have to answer from memory unless they've taken a copy. |
| 18:56.17 | verm__ | downey: absolutely.. good to know when that happens, too |
| 18:57.15 | verm__ | Quozl: i wouldn't worry about that, usually quite a lot of chatter happens via email that can be referenced |
| 18:57.43 | Quozl | For my org, we had 49 proposals, and the first limiting factor was the number of students active on our org (11), and the second limiting factor was mentors who were active on our org (9). |
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| 19:01.34 | olly | Quozl: you should be able to see all your proposals still - scroll down on the dashboard to find the "Proposals" section |
| 19:02.08 | olly | the top entry is "projects", and in dashboard terms that's an accepted student |
| 19:02.31 | rahul | Hello! Please hear me out! My question is, why doesn't GSoC give some tentative slots to each organisation according to the project ideas before the beginning of the program? I can imagine that there might be times when the project doesn't receive any quality proposals. In that case, the organisation can choose to drop the slot itself. I think it |
| 19:02.32 | rahul | might be unjustified that organisations are able to list as many project as they like for which so many students dedicate their 2-3 months to realise later that the organisation didn't receive slot for the project itself. |
| 19:04.28 | olly | the org just receives a number of slots (based on what they ask for) |
| 19:04.37 | olly | then they decide which proposals to choose for those slots |
| 19:05.06 | rahul | I understand, do the organisations get as many slots they request for? |
| 19:05.14 | olly | it depends |
| 19:06.08 | olly | there's a limited number in total, so not everyone will always get what they ask for |
| 19:06.32 | olly | and new orgs are usually limited to 2 slots the first time around |
| 19:06.56 | verm__ | yeah, also you really only want to request slots for solid projects otherwise you could be taking one away from another project that has solid proposals |
| 19:07.20 | verm__ | assigning them at the start doesn't make sense in that regard |
| 19:08.09 | Quozl | olly: thanks, that worked. |
| 19:08.25 | rahul | Again, I think as in most cases the newer organisations receive only 2 slots, shouldn't the applying students at least be aware of it? |
| 19:08.35 | olly | at least for a veteran org, you have some idea how many slots you've had in the past and what you ask for |
| 19:08.41 | olly | i don't think that's a secret |
| 19:08.58 | olly | certainly it's something I've repeatedly said here |
| 19:10.20 | olly | and indeed suggested to students that if you're applying to a new org then to consider also applying to another org as a backup |
| 19:13.28 | rahul | Never saw it written officially anywhere. Guess you need to apply before to know that or just be active in this channel. Anyway that answers my questions. Thanks! |
| 19:13.40 | olly | it's not like 2 is a long way below average either - there are 1199 selected students and 199 orgs so the average is almost exactly 6 |
| 19:14.29 | olly | and new orgs run by veteran org admins can get more than 2 - the point of this is to avoid a new org getting out of their depth and letting students down |
| 19:14.30 | Quozl | the information is also in the documentation for gsoc, especially in the sections for organisations. i'm pretty sure students read that too. |
| 19:15.01 | rahul | Can you send the link for that? @quozl |
| 19:15.17 | Quozl | rahul: that new orgs only get two? |
| 19:15.30 | rahul | Yep |
| 19:17.10 | olly | not sure about the mentor guide, but e.g. https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/slot-allocation has it |
| 19:17.57 | Quozl | yeah, that's it, thanks. |
| 19:18.29 | olly | oh, you didn't actually say mentor guide - that's just how I read what you said |
| 19:19.29 | Quozl | well, i began by looking at the mentor guide. but stopped once you found the official doc on it. |
| 19:20.49 | rahul | Thanks! @quozl |
| 19:21.01 | rahul | Which organisation received the most slots this year? |
| 19:21.05 | olly | FWIW, we're a veteran org and only got 2 slots this year (because that's what we asked for because that's what we have mentors to comfortably cover) |
| 19:21.19 | olly | i don't think that's public info currently |
| 19:21.47 | Quozl | i'd also like to confirm; the incentives for mentors this year are minimal, right? just the chance of a mentor summit in the middle of a pandemic recovery? no stipend for mentors, no t-shirts. i'm having trouble figuring out why one of my mentors seems so upset about not getting a project. |
| 19:21.48 | olly | python and kde have historically been big orgs, because both are actually umbrellas for a lot of smaller projects |
| 19:22.01 | verm__ | yea |
| 19:22.35 | olly | or in the middle of a pandemic if things go less well... |
| 19:22.45 | Quozl | yeah, here's hoping. |
| 19:24.09 | Quozl | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4610988642402304/?sp-page=3#projects ... kde projects. can certainly go and count them if you like. ;-} |
| 19:26.13 | olly | Quozl: I think there's still a payment to the org per student mentored, though the mentor may not get that directly (it's up to the org what they do with it) |
| 19:26.27 | Quozl | olly: thanks. |
| 19:27.37 | olly | yeah, 8.2.(a).(ii).(i) says "$500 USD (sic) stipend per Student mentored" |
| 19:28.40 | olly | perhaps your mentor was thinking of it more as free labour for their pet project? |
| 19:28.56 | Quozl | olly: thanks. not per mentor then. good. i'm expecting someone to suggest we add the left-out mentors as co-mentors, but i really think one mentor should mentor at a time. no, they have no pet project i can see. |
| 19:29.46 | Quozl | (one of our problems with gsoc in the past is failure of mentors to get students into the public life of the org.) |
| 19:30.09 | olly | it's good to have someone else up to speed on each project in case the mentor becomes ill or too busy, etc |
| 19:30.16 | Quozl | yes, we got that. |
| 19:30.35 | olly | but there is a definite problem with allocating multiple mentors and everyone assuming somebody else will do it |
| 19:30.43 | Quozl | indeed. |
| 19:31.02 | Quozl | thanks for reinforcing my opinions on how to do this right. ;-) |
| 19:32.03 | olly | we strongly steer students to ask question in the IRC channel, and encourage anyone who can help to answer, which gets them to feel more part of the org, and often gets them an answer faster |
| 19:33.20 | olly | you can get the odd issue with then getting different advice to what the mentor would have given, but even that's a lesson in there being different points of view on technical things |
| 19:53.53 | valorie | at KDE we do NOT think of GSoC as "free labor for a summer" -- we treat it as s chance for our newest KDE developers to be paid while they learn about us and developing our software |
| 19:54.14 | valorie | and our dearest wish is that they stay with us once they are not paid |
| 19:54.50 | valorie | "in" KDE I should have said |
| 19:54.59 | valorie | we're a community, not a company |
| 19:56.23 | olly | oh yes, I should have been clearer that's not the right way to think about it |
| 19:56.56 | olly | but occasionally people do |
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| 20:46.23 | valorie | olly: it's fine if some orgs think of it that way |
| 20:46.38 | valorie | I'm just saying that we don't and never have |
| 20:47.27 | valorie | GSoC is a blessing to us and we know that some students view it as a summer job and will leave us right after |
| 20:47.32 | valorie | no matter what they say |
| 20:47.55 | valorie | the more we can keep around, the more success |
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| 20:51.37 | len31 | Can the organisations choose to change the project after the results? |
| 20:52.12 | len31 | I mean, if a student has been selected for a particular project, can he be asked to work on something else? |
| 20:53.58 | teepee | completely changing the topic sounds strange to me |
| 20:54.44 | olly | it's ok to discuss changes, but they need to be mutually agreed, and the student not feel pressured into accepting them |
| 20:55.15 | len31 | If a student accepts it, then is it fine? |
| 20:55.21 | teepee | changes yes, project plans that are expected to be fully static over month are not real :) |
| 20:55.52 | teepee | but a totally different project should not be allowed in my personal view |
| 20:56.08 | teepee | what's the reasoning for that? |
| 20:57.09 | olly | i can see rare circumstances where it's necessary - e.g. discovering something which makes the original project unfeasible |
| 20:57.23 | len31 | They want to give priority to some other project that wasn't selected because of low quality proposals but want the same student for it. |
| 20:58.30 | olly | len31: seems wrong to me |
| 20:58.41 | olly | are you the student, or a mentor in the org or what? |
| 20:59.12 | len31 | A student who is seeing this happen! |
| 21:02.06 | valorie | you have the right to say NO |
| 21:02.16 | teepee | I don't know what the official position on that is, but as mentor I would not allow that for our org |
| 21:02.26 | valorie | in fact it is very important to be able to listen and give honest feedback |
| 21:03.35 | valorie | we had a case where half the project (backend website work) was suddenly made redundant by other changes in the whole site |
| 21:04.02 | valorie | so the mentor and student discussed and came up with an equivalent part |
| 21:04.22 | valorie | it seemed silly to allow work that would never be used |
| 21:05.07 | teepee | which still is making sense and is different from upfront changing projects because someone in the org prefered the other project |
| 21:05.25 | teepee | why put in projects that are not wanted? |
| 21:09.42 | olly | this question has come up on the mentor mailing list before, and ospo have made it clear the student can't be told to do something different |
| 21:09.59 | olly | I see they left, but talk to support if this is happening to you |
| 21:10.01 | olly | !support |
| 21:10.03 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 21:40.32 | Quozl | i'm late to the conversation, and i see that the student who asked has left the channel, but i agree; really not good to be asked to change project, because of the bias on the decision, a student will find saying no very very difficult; to cover that risk the org admin and mentors ought to take great care to compensate for that bias; e.g. ask for help from gsoc-support@ to mediate, ask the student to suggest what they might do instead. |
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