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08:57.45 | Bushmill1 | 'morning |
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09:30.02 | cm34 | great! I've got pxafb working on my looxc550 |
09:30.25 | cm34 | not so hard as I thought before |
09:37.13 | cm34 | how can I get mmc card working? is enabling mmc pxa interface in kernel config will be enough ? |
09:40.07 | pH5 | cm34: you have to fill pxamci_platform_data with the correct ocr_mask and provide the setpower function that toggles the correct gpio. |
09:40.08 | hrw | probably |
09:40.50 | hrw | pH5: hh.org wiki has some page 'how to port linux to random pocket pc device in few days'? |
09:41.01 | pH5 | unless maybe you boot from wince where it is in a state with mci power still enabled, not sure about that. |
09:41.16 | cm34 | yes, I'm booting using haret |
09:41.43 | pH5 | cm34: then it should be easy to figure out which gpio is the sd power one with haret and just use that. |
09:42.22 | cm34 | and how device will be called then ? |
09:42.27 | pH5 | hrw: I don't know that page. |
09:42.31 | cm34 | I mean in /dev/xxx ? |
09:43.18 | pH5 | mmcblk0, you need to have mmc block device support compiled in. |
09:43.45 | cm34 | ok. thanks |
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13:43.42 | fausto | hi |
13:43.58 | fausto | i have a question about linux and ipaq hx4700 |
13:44.29 | fausto | i would like to install opie |
13:44.32 | niv_one_three | maybe I know the answr :-) |
13:44.41 | fausto | i have tried familar with gpe |
13:44.47 | niv_one_three | ok |
13:44.48 | fausto | and i didn't like it |
13:44.56 | niv_one_three | try opie |
13:44.58 | fausto | i tried angstrom, and it's quite good |
13:45.19 | fausto | with gpe.. but several problem on ipkg upgrade and upgrade of software |
13:45.54 | fausto | i have installed opie from http://www.sdgsystems.com/pub/ipaq/hx4700/starterkit/20050817/ |
13:46.19 | fausto | but it hasn't wlan driver for hx4700 (acx) and it is a very hold version |
13:46.56 | fausto | how to upgrade kernel and software and install missing modules for wifi and other? |
13:47.41 | fausto | very hold version <--- *old* not hold |
13:47.57 | niv_one_three | my guess is that you will need to download the open embedded enviroment, then get current version on angstrom and build it your self :-( |
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13:48.39 | fausto | can i have angstrom with opie? |
13:49.09 | niv_one_three | ~seen hrw |
13:49.39 | ibot | hrw <n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 46m 7s ago, saying: 'hi pavelm '. |
13:50.00 | niv_one_three | I would ask hrw about opie on ansgstrom |
13:50.24 | fausto | uh... ok |
13:51.21 | spaceinvader | i'm looking for an entry level handheld that will be able to run linux |
13:51.33 | spaceinvader | iPAQ h2210 a good bet? |
13:51.44 | fausto | but with familiar's opie from http://www.sdgsystems.com/.../20050817/ can i get wireless working? |
13:52.55 | fausto | in this moment i have the handheld connected to the pc with usb cable, handheld can ping the pc and pc can ping handheld but how to get internet working on handheld |
13:53.31 | fausto | (i'm connected to internet from a router, and pc is connected to the router by eth1) |
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14:20.01 | non-sense | hello |
14:20.12 | non-sense | they got irc for literally everything huh |
14:20.53 | spaceinvader | can anyone reccomend an entry level handheld with wifi suitable for using with familiar? |
14:25.44 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: h2210 is good choice, yeah. but see wiki, after all! |
14:26.47 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: h2210 has no wifi |
14:27.02 | spaceinvader | has bluetooth though |
14:27.30 | spaceinvader | lol at a description on eBay: "Compact Flask Type I & 2 are supported." |
14:28.50 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: familiar support whole 1 handheld with integrate wifi, and still you need to do leg-work. |
14:30.51 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: would a wifi CF card work? |
14:30.55 | spaceinvader | do they even exist? :P |
14:31.11 | spaceinvader | i know you can get SD ones, SDIO or whatever it is |
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14:33.25 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: WiFi CF cards existed forever, are insanely cheap, and work overgreat |
14:33.49 | spaceinvader | cool |
14:42.03 | non-sense | anyone pickup the s720 yet? |
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14:51.06 | fausto | hi boys |
14:51.13 | fausto | i had a problem with the connection |
14:51.56 | fausto | someone can help me. i need informtaion on angstrom with opie on a ipaq hx4700 |
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17:47.39 | cm34 | can't get mmc working :( |
17:48.13 | cm34 | as far as I undestand, I should fill .ocr_mask and .init of pxamci_platform_data and call pxa_set_mci_info(), right ? |
17:55.33 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: in general, you should fill all what's possible in pxamci_platform_data |
17:57.45 | cm34 | I've looked at existing implementation, they in general fill .init, .setpower and .exit |
17:57.58 | cm34 | .init sets some GPIO and register irq handler |
17:58.07 | cm34 | what is this irq handler for ? |
17:58.20 | cm34 | inserting/ejecting sd-mmc media ? |
18:02.17 | psokolovsky_ | dunno, if you review other impls, you should know ;-) |
18:05.05 | cm34 | I just can't get mmcblk0 device at all |
18:05.23 | psokolovsky_ | and you've confirmed that n550 actually uses pxa's mci, right? |
18:05.45 | cm34 | yes I think so |
18:07.51 | cm34 | when I using mmc card in wince haret shows that wince sets GPIO32_MMCCLK_MD |
18:08.02 | cm34 | it seems that it is pxa's mci, right ? |
18:09.07 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: well, good guess, but did you loot at the actual registers? |
18:09.13 | cm34 | http://rafb.net/p/xl749O83.html - here is what I get when insert/eject mmc |
18:10.12 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: trye also with difefrent write lock position |
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18:12.21 | cm34 | http://rafb.net/p/Et6B3b84.html - it is with lock position |
18:12.55 | cm34 | so I guess GPIO15 - shows lock position |
18:13.27 | cm34 | but it is for .getro, right ? just to get it working it is not crucial ? |
18:13.27 | psokolovsky_ | yep, seems like that ;-) |
18:13.35 | psokolovsky_ | yep |
18:14.07 | psokolovsky_ | to get it working, just only every detail is crucial, not some random one ;-) |
18:15.31 | psokolovsky_ | anyway, what dmesg tells you? |
18:16.11 | cm34 | VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0" ... |
18:16.38 | cm34 | MMC support and PXA MCI selected in kernel config |
18:16.56 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: well, you don't wantt o boot form device you just add support for ;-) |
18:17.16 | psokolovsky_ | boot to standalone initrd and see what's there |
18:18.58 | cm34 | I can't try to boot from it if I want to just see if there is mmc device, or not ? |
18:20.49 | psokolovsky_ | well, you can try anything, but what probability that it will work immediately? ;-) you said it ws easy with pxafb, congrats, but it doesm't mean it will be *so* easy further too ;-) |
18:23.32 | cm34 | so what I will be able to do if I boot from initrd ? |
18:24.10 | psokolovsky_ | ah, good question. do you have serial cable? |
18:24.23 | cm34 | no :-( |
18:25.10 | cm34 | so it will be hard to see what's there interactively |
18:25.14 | psokolovsky_ | sux. then, next thing you want to do is UDC, so you can have USB networking |
18:25.24 | cm34 | hm |
18:25.44 | psokolovsky_ | after that, once you boot from corresponding initrd, you'll have command at your fingertips, with all consequences ;-) |
18:25.56 | spaceinvader | hmm |
18:25.58 | spaceinvader | crap |
18:26.14 | spaceinvader | the h2200's dont have serial cradles do they |
18:26.14 | cm34 | I guess getting udc working won't easier than mmc |
18:26.22 | cm34 | but I'll try |
18:26.29 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: there's mod eto add that. see wiki. |
18:26.48 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: yeah, but for initial installation |
18:27.18 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: depends. UDC is really simple thing. you just nee dto find out pull up gpio. but that may be tricky. does n550 have wifi? |
18:27.33 | cm34 | c550 |
18:27.44 | cm34 | yes, it has |
18:27.58 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: initial "installation" happens by running linux from a memory card w/o any installation at all. |
18:28.28 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: i was reading the steps for ftp + serial cable |
18:28.35 | spaceinvader | but it seems that bootloader wont work on this device |
18:28.39 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: then, must be easy. connect to haret via wifi (if you don't yet), then wgpio while you fit usb cable ;-) |
18:29.37 | psokolovsky_ | spaceinvader: no need for complications. http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RamdiskRescue |
18:34.15 | cm34 | psokolovsky_, I have no wifi in PC now:-( will haret work over gprs internet connection? |
18:35.13 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: ;-D . if your provider compromises users' devices to internet, why not? ;-D |
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18:35.43 | cm34 | that's good |
18:38.49 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: what bootloader does that use? |
18:39.00 | psokolovsky_ | haret |
18:39.13 | spaceinvader | i dont want that :P |
18:39.21 | spaceinvader | is there a way to get it booting natively |
18:39.23 | spaceinvader | without LAB? |
18:41.05 | psokolovsky_ | read again: you want to try booting linux first ata ll, before flashing and performing other destructive operations which in hands of novices lead to pretty good stream of brick cases. |
18:41.30 | spaceinvader | :P |
18:42.53 | spaceinvader | hmm |
18:42.58 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: on the wiki, on the HpIpaqH2200LAB page, someone has put The instructions below seem to be outdated. I followed the instructions at http://handhelds.willowisp.net, and got my h2200 up in no time (Jun 2007)! |
18:43.12 | spaceinvader | But that appears to point to the instructions that will brick a h2200 |
18:43.34 | psokolovsky_ | *may* brick, see the difference |
18:46.07 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: ok, thats the beta site |
18:46.14 | spaceinvader | psokolovsky_: seems to be improved instructions from the live one |
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18:56.56 | cm34 | seems like my provider doesn't allow incoming connections to device :-( |
18:57.22 | cm34 | I'll have to return to this when I get wi-fi card |
18:57.48 | cm34 | but when I'll get telnet to my device how I will be able to debug MCI ? |
19:01.20 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: if it would allow, you should have sued him for compromising your personal data |
19:01.42 | cm34 | :) |
19:02.11 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: I recommend getting connection to device first, be it serial, usb, or whatever. once you'll have it, debugging all other perephirals will be much easier |
19:05.30 | cm34 | I understand, but for now if I don't set mci detect irq and without .setpower function, is .init and .ocr_mask will be enough for mmc ? |
19:06.13 | cm34 | with init function containing pxa_gpio_mode(...) like in other pxa27xx board implementations ? |
19:06.44 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: I dunno personally, didn't work with pxamci |
19:06.58 | cm34 | :( |
19:07.59 | cm34 | btw, how can I detect which gpio is for mmc's setpower ? |
19:08.36 | cm34 | is it those that's changed when I insert/eject media ? |
19:09.35 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: yep, pretty much could be |
19:09.45 | psokolovsky_ | don't forget there;s always possibility for egpio... |
19:10.44 | cm34 | and power gpio should have direction O in dump gpio, right ? |
19:13.15 | cm34 | and what is egpio? |
19:14.06 | psokolovsky_ | extended gpio, not on cpu, but on some other chip |
19:14.19 | cm34 | sorry, I'd rather new to arm device internals, so my questions can be annoying |
19:14.34 | cm34 | any links to docs would be appretiated |
19:15.06 | cm34 | *appreciated |
19:15.15 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: well, you should have pxa manual by now, really... |
19:15.48 | cm34 | I have |
19:16.19 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: and nope, your questions are pretty smart ;-). I'd how recommend and appreciate if you posted your progress and patches to this mailing list: https://handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel-discuss |
19:16.53 | cm34 | ok |
19:18.55 | cm34 | and returning to my mmc... when I insert/eject mmc media the only 3 gpios are changed and only one of them has direction 'output', but it's 32 |
19:19.15 | cm34 | so it isn't gpio what controls mmc power |
19:19.30 | cm34 | so I think I should search for it somewhere else |
19:19.36 | cm34 | but where ? ... |
19:20.47 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: it's hard to tell. that;s why I told you that right way to start a new port is to get internal hardware list. |
19:21.33 | pH5 | is set_power enabled when you put the card in, or is it only enabled when you actually r/w to/from the card? |
19:22.02 | pH5 | disassembling the bootloader is a good but tedious way of finding out whether there are external gpios (and where). |
19:22.10 | cm34 | psokolovsky_, I've googled on this topic but haven't found useful info, so I think I have to disassemble device |
19:22.49 | cm34 | pH5, I don't know where it is enabled |
19:23.07 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: you'd have to that eventually anyway ;-). but you can put off that if you really want, now that you're proven that you can do some porting in blind (with pxafb) ;-) |
19:23.18 | cm34 | but I'll try to figure out |
19:23.25 | cm34 | :) |
19:23.48 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: so, pH5 hints that you could try to perform actual card access operation and see if that give you new suspected gpios. |
19:23.57 | psokolovsky_ | well, gotta go... |
19:24.07 | cm34 | I've undestood |
19:24.10 | pH5 | on magician I have sd power on an egpio, too. but I had luck and the egpio chip was known before I started. |
19:25.01 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: btw, have you seen http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HandheldHardwareXref ? |
19:25.13 | cm34 | yes, I've seen |
19:25.27 | cm34 | nothing about c550 |
19:27.37 | pH5 | one thing you could do to find such a chip is to make haret trace memory accesses to the PXA_CS memory ranges (0x0800xxxx, 0x0c00xxxx, etc.) and see if there's something that correlates with the sd. |
19:29.08 | cm34 | ok. thanks. I'll try it too |
19:30.28 | pH5 | haret gives you the vma of the ldr/str instructions, so it's possible to find the corresponding code in wince driver or nk.exe disassembly. |
19:31.30 | psokolovsky_ | cm34: of course, no, you're the first ;-). so please add info, as you find out things ;-) |
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19:51.43 | bd2 | mmp, hi! I guess it's really really time to start GSoC. ;-) |
19:52.17 | mmp | bd2: hello:) |
19:52.42 | mmp | well, I tried yesterday, before I managed to know that I have even now one exam to do. |
19:52.52 | mmp | (22 hours before the exam) |
19:53.12 | mmp | bd2: anyway, could I ask you to test my kernel on your device and with your card? |
19:53.22 | mmp | plain compiled binaries |
19:53.39 | mmp | I still don't get why does it "die" at me... |
19:54.43 | mmp | e2fsck seemed to be deterministic source of SD failures, not depending on SD prescaler value |
19:57.58 | bd2 | mmp, yes I'm happy to try. But don't know when (probably Fri). I'm too busy right now to do own -hh hacking stuff, and especially to bother you (you're lucky ;-). Please email zImage (old abi please) to me, and I'll try as soon as I can. |
19:58.31 | mmp | bd2: err, would you mind if it would be modular kernel? |
19:58.49 | mmp | hmm, or I can try to rebuild my kernel, too... |
19:59.05 | mmp | err, reconfigure |
19:59.08 | bd2 | static kernel is better, and it will take less time to test |
19:59.11 | mmp | yes |
19:59.48 | mmp | I'm just thinking about what to do; basically I wanted to check the exact kernel I have, to be sure that it's just my local issue |
19:59.56 | bd2 | don't bother to reconfigure lcd/bluetooth/sound e.t.c. Just make sure I'll able to boot into serial console, and test SD card with ext2 |
20:00.38 | mmp | hmm, ok, I'll try... |
20:00.47 | bd2 | mmp, for now I'd recommend to do last exam ;-) don't do this now |
20:00.58 | mmp | if it was the last one :( |
20:01.05 | mmp | but that's another story |
20:01.13 | bd2 | :-) |
20:01.13 | mmp | right now I need to do as much as possible:) |
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20:41.55 | spaceinvader | hmm i wonder if opie or gpe has a tetris game |
20:49.20 | Marex | hi, who is in charge of the kernel merging/upstreaming stuff here? |
20:49.41 | Marex | I was thinking about upstreaming stuff in hackndev (hackndev.com) kernel to -hh finally |
20:58.21 | psokolovsky_ | Marex: you can post your ideas/questions to kernel-discuss mailing list |
20:58.33 | psokolovsky_ | Marex: or raise them here, of course |
20:58.48 | psokolovsky_ | ML will allow more people to review it |
20:59.07 | Marex | psokolovsky_, I need to talk to someone who can merge them to -hh, you know |
20:59.29 | Marex | psokolovsky_, btw you said afk, didnt you? ;-E |
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21:00.12 | bd2 | yup, I'm happy to see palm stuff in the -hh. |
21:00.19 | bd2 | Marex, how big patches are, btw? |
21:00.50 | Marex | bd2, I planned making a pure palm-stuff diff against upstream hh |
21:01.00 | Marex | ok ... well Ill make it now |
21:02.14 | psokolovsky_ | Marex: hh.org kernel developer community decides on merging. and yep, I'm fully afk now. |
21:02.37 | Marex | psokolovsky_, ;-) |
21:02.43 | bd2 | Marex, though, there is another way to do things: you can try push palm stuff directly into Linus's/-mm/arm/mips/whatever tree, thus skipping -hh. But it's only if your patches clean enough. |
21:03.21 | Marex | bd2, that would be quite a burden .... it needs cleanup even before upstreaming to -hh |
21:04.43 | bd2 | Marex, I see. well, I'm all for the merge. Will happily review battery/leds/maybesomethingelse bits. |
21:05.14 | Marex | bd2, sure :) |
21:06.04 | Marex | bd2, I have a lot of work now, but we (hackndev) will hopefully start producing patches in about two months timeframe |
21:06.46 | mmp | Marex: sounds like exams? :) |
21:07.04 | Marex | mmp, sounds like holiday! |
21:07.07 | Marex | ;] |
21:07.11 | mmp | the happier case... |
21:07.14 | mmp | :) |
21:07.33 | Marex | mmp, I finished school a month ago and Im now working full-time on kernel/oe/embedded stuff |
21:07.44 | Marex | I want to finish some other things first though |
21:09.09 | mmp | Hmm, I always thought that (iirc you study at) CUNI starts the summer semester later and finishes also a bit later... |
21:10.16 | mmp | but that's a bit subjective, as I don't have official info about that, just gut feeling:) |
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21:18.27 | Marex | mmp, I just got accepted there, you know |
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21:18.46 | Marex | mmp, and the school years starts at september/october :] |
21:19.55 | mmp | aaah, so:) I thought you are one year older then:) |
21:20.35 | mmp | congrat:) And good luck:) |
21:20.41 | Marex | mmp, Im still a kid :B |
21:20.47 | Marex | mmp, thanks :] |
21:20.53 | Marex | mmp, you know about CUNI? |
21:21.04 | mmp | yes; a bit. |
21:21.22 | mmp | I have few former classmates studying there... |
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21:23.26 | mmp | Marex: I almost studied there, too, but I was too lazy to go that far from home:) |
21:24.56 | mmp | bd2: I almost forgot - any new items in todo list? Just in case... |
21:25.41 | Marex | mmp, where are you from? ;] |
21:26.00 | mmp | bd2: I tested a bit IrDA, it seems to not work, but I accidentally lost the only device which can reliably handle IrDA (mobile phone got rain bath), so I can't debug it right now... |
21:26.14 | mmp | Marex: next to your country;) Slovakia |
21:26.20 | Marex | ah ... hehe :] |
21:26.42 | Marex | nice, neighbor ;-] |
21:26.59 | mmp | (we in fact already talked about that about a year ago :) |
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21:37.34 | mmp | good night... |
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