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| 00:31.42 | araujo | hello |
| 00:31.58 | araujo | what is a good handheld with Linux pre-installed? |
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| 00:33.19 | flyback | I dunno about pre installed |
| 00:33.23 | flyback | and I don't recommand palm |
| 00:33.29 | araujo | hell flyback |
| 00:33.32 | flyback | but I got linux + opie on my palm t5 |
| 00:33.35 | flyback | and I am impressed |
| 00:33.40 | flyback | I can actually multitask now |
| 00:33.41 | araujo | flyback, yeah, palm doesn't look good enough |
| 00:33.47 | flyback | something I haven't been able to do for the 2 yrs I had it |
| 00:33.52 | araujo | wow |
| 00:33.52 | flyback | I wasted like $500 on this piece of shit |
| 00:33.56 | flyback | now it's useful again |
| 00:33.57 | araujo | haha |
| 00:34.10 | flyback | espically when I get some $5 bluetooth adaptors |
| 00:34.16 | flyback | and hookup a wire to the serial port |
| 00:34.19 | araujo | flyback, i am looking for something where i can have linux and good wireless support |
| 00:34.23 | flyback | there is rx and tx pins on the connector |
| 00:34.34 | araujo | it's been difficult for me to find something decent |
| 00:34.57 | flyback | a lot of older ipaqs are easy to convert to linux |
| 00:35.11 | flyback | if I had not worried about warrenty I would have done that |
| 00:35.20 | flyback | now that I know palm has gone to hell and fucks over their customers now |
| 00:35.26 | flyback | I would have said screw the warrenty |
| 00:35.31 | flyback | get this |
| 00:35.37 | flyback | $400 fucking $$$ for the unit itself |
| 00:35.42 | flyback | battery starts to wear out after a yr |
| 00:35.50 | araujo | wow |
| 00:35.53 | flyback | palm's response "fuck you just buy another pda" |
| 00:35.59 | araujo | :-P |
| 00:36.10 | flyback | too bad for them many battery vendors don't listen :) |
| 00:36.13 | araujo | that doesn't sound like a good response |
| 00:36.19 | flyback | so for $20 and a little soldering I can fix it :) |
| 00:36.25 | araujo | hah |
| 00:39.34 | araujo | i was thinking about this n800 device |
| 00:39.47 | flyback | isn't that like $800 |
| 00:40.07 | araujo | but it seems like the keyboard in the touch-screen isn't that comfortable |
| 00:40.12 | araujo | 500$ |
| 00:40.41 | flyback | ouch |
| 00:40.55 | flyback | what country you in |
| 00:41.17 | araujo | venezuela |
| 00:41.26 | araujo | that's the hard part fo rme |
| 00:41.37 | araujo | not easy to find one here |
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| 00:42.20 | flyback | oh sorry to hear that |
| 00:42.27 | araujo | yeah :-( |
| 00:42.31 | flyback | sorry you are in a nazi dictator's country |
| 00:42.36 | flyback | you are welcome here in us any time |
| 00:42.50 | flyback | and I hope chavez gets a bullet up his ass |
| 00:45.25 | araujo | hahahaha |
| 00:46.03 | flyback | well espically since that nazi made it illegal to vote against him |
| 00:46.06 | flyback | but enough of that |
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| 01:22.33 | josesito | is there a working stable port of linux for a palm tungsten e2?? or for a nec mobilepro 900?? |
| 01:25.52 | flyback | e2 I think so |
| 01:26.41 | josesito | flyback, i tried it once, from hackndev site, but it wasn't stable, nor usable :P it just booted |
| 01:26.56 | josesito | but that was long ago |
| 01:27.01 | flyback | I got one on my t5 from that site |
| 01:27.08 | flyback | it work in progress but somewhat usuable |
| 01:27.14 | flyback | more stable than FAGos (palm os) |
| 01:27.21 | josesito | lol |
| 01:27.28 | flyback | then again my diseased colon is more stable than palm os |
| 01:27.36 | flyback | looks like that nec might have jtag |
| 01:27.37 | josesito | really? i should then try again |
| 01:27.47 | flyback | btw the palm linux can use a ram loader |
| 01:27.54 | flyback | loads into ram so you can reboot into palm os when you want |
| 01:28.44 | josesito | yeah, i know, but they recommend backing everything up, and hard resetting when back to palm (data might get corrupted), has that changed? |
| 01:29.03 | flyback | no |
| 01:29.13 | flyback | but e2 is flash shadowed like the t5 and tx are |
| 01:29.15 | flyback | afaik |
| 01:29.20 | flyback | so less chance of perm data loss |
| 01:29.24 | flyback | you can talk in #hackndev |
| 01:30.20 | josesito | hmm...thanks, i'll try it again :) |
| 01:30.54 | flyback | but good to backup just in case |
| 01:31.00 | josesito | yup |
| 01:31.03 | flyback | btw at least on the t5 it has annoying bug to reset the clock |
| 01:31.10 | flyback | when you reboot into palm os |
| 01:31.11 | josesito | flyback, do u use it daily? |
| 01:31.25 | flyback | I found a time/DATE resync when you hotsync in palm os |
| 01:31.28 | flyback | makes it less annoying |
| 01:31.29 | flyback | somewhat |
| 01:31.35 | flyback | I can actusally play music and read docs |
| 01:31.38 | flyback | something I can't do well in palm os |
| 01:59.16 | mzb_d800 | if you want wifi on a "supported" pda, try looking at hx4700 and h4150/4350 |
| 01:59.39 | mzb_d800 | if you can wait, and don't want to install Linux yourself, perhaps wait for the Neo |
| 01:59.48 | mzb_d800 | (should be out sometime soon) |
| 01:59.56 | mzb_d800 | (I think it has wifi ... not sure) |
| 02:02.02 | josesito | i don't care if i have to install it myself (in fact, i'd really like that ), what's really important to me, is the usability, i NEED to have wifi at least...and the mobilepro 900, well i fell in love with it because it's cheap on ebay, and it more powerful than my palm =) |
| 02:04.49 | josesito | oh, and besides, i already have a t|e2.... |
| 02:04.51 | mzb_d800 | I can tell you from experience, that it takes about 2 or 3 years for _most_ machines to be supported to the level you imply |
| 02:05.21 | josesito | yeah, i thought on that too, the mobile pro has been out for more than 3 years |
| 02:05.34 | mzb_d800 | but if you want something with Linux preinstalled _AND_ all the goodies have a look at the Neo ... I think the model number is 1793 or 1973 |
| 02:05.38 | josesito | and i've heard (and seen) that linux runs on it |
| 02:05.40 | araujo | mzb_d800, the openmoko device? |
| 02:05.45 | mzb_d800 | that's it |
| 02:05.56 | mzb_d800 | iirc it's due for release this month |
| 02:05.57 | araujo | yeah, i have been told about that one too |
| 02:06.06 | araujo | it looks promising |
| 02:06.42 | araujo | mzb_d800, i think it's only available for developers atm |
| 02:08.16 | mzb_d800 | http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html |
| 02:08.45 | mzb_d800 | as you say, still "Developer preview" |
| 02:10.00 | araujo | yeah |
| 02:11.05 | mzb_d800 | strangely enough, doesn't seem to have wifi at first glance |
| 02:11.25 | araujo | yeah, it doesn't show wifi there |
| 02:12.18 | mzb_d800 | but some articles mention it ... so who knows :) |
| 02:12.29 | araujo | yeah?, well cool |
| 02:12.39 | araujo | it should have wifi |
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| 18:10.54 | mmp | bd2_: Hello, would it be feasible to just patch pxa2xx_base.c with H5400 ifdef's to handle the timing fix? |
| 18:12.20 | mmp | I have no idea about whether the patch will won't break anything... |
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| 18:13.15 | mmp | bd2_: and there will be probably no reasonable discussion if I copy it to k-d ... :) |
| 18:13.20 | mmp | err, Cc :) |
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| 21:00.32 | mmp | good night |
| 21:10.19 | france | nite |
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