| 00:00.26 | Noxx | ?? |
| 00:00.32 | BinaryMutant | ?? |
| 00:01.23 | Noxx | can you help me ? |
| 00:01.58 | BinaryMutant | maybe |
| 00:02.03 | BinaryMutant | with what? |
| 00:02.32 | Noxx | I'm ttrying to install Opie or GPE on my H3850 |
| 00:02.48 | BinaryMutant | okay, what's wrong? |
| 00:02.57 | Noxx | and I've uploaded the task-bootstrap but I got a Kernel error |
| 00:03.10 | Noxx | something like no init found |
| 00:03.39 | BinaryMutant | was it the stable version or testing? |
| 00:03.57 | Noxx | stable I think but it's the old |
| 00:04.02 | Noxx | 0.5.3 |
| 00:04.36 | Noxx | I tried to upload the version coming with opie but I get the Kerlnel image not recognized |
| 00:04.53 | BinaryMutant | you were loading the jffs2 file? |
| 00:05.01 | Noxx | I absolutly don't know what to do... |
| 00:05.09 | Noxx | eh ? |
| 00:05.16 | Noxx | after loading it |
| 00:05.19 | Noxx | i type: boot |
| 00:05.28 | Noxx | then I got the error |
| 00:05.35 | BinaryMutant | what was the kernel error? |
| 00:05.57 | Noxx | I'll do it again, hold on |
| 00:08.52 | Noxx | Kernel panic: No init found |
| 00:09.27 | Noxx | thats the error |
| 00:11.51 | BinaryMutant | that's weird, try the newest stable version |
| 00:12.48 | Noxx | plz tell me where to get it, I can find any that works for the H38xx |
| 00:13.15 | BinaryMutant | http://handhelds.org/download/distributions/familiar/releases/v0.8.4/install/download.html |
| 00:14.50 | Noxx | this doesn't work at all |
| 00:15.20 | Noxx | when I upload the image, then I type boot, it says, Unrecognised kernel image |
| 00:15.50 | BinaryMutant | dunno, 8.4 works for me |
| 00:17.11 | Noxx | it's weird, when I click on h3800 then dowload, the file it gives me is bootsrap-xxxx-h3600 |
| 00:21.00 | BinaryMutant | yeah i've got a h5500 and thats what I got |
| 00:22.53 | Noxx | ok |
| 00:23.03 | Noxx | I really don't understand why I got this error |
| 00:23.31 | *** join/#handhelds huhlig (n=UhligH@c-76-20-46-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:24.02 | huhlig | hi hi |
| 00:24.35 | Noxx | hi |
| 00:24.53 | Noxx | huhlig you have some experience setting up linux on ipaqs ? |
| 00:25.00 | huhlig | yea |
| 00:25.06 | Noxx | I'm in trouble |
| 00:25.07 | huhlig | what model |
| 00:25.09 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:25.21 | Noxx | I can't make work any familiar on my h3850 |
| 00:25.27 | Noxx | can you help me ? |
| 00:25.40 | huhlig | sure |
| 00:25.43 | Noxx | fine |
| 00:25.43 | Noxx | ok |
| 00:25.44 | huhlig | what seems to be the problem |
| 00:25.53 | Noxx | first of all |
| 00:26.10 | Noxx | I tried to use the jffs2 image from the opie package |
| 00:26.32 | Noxx | after upload, I got the message, Kernel image not recognized |
| 00:26.57 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:27.00 | huhlig | did you use rr |
| 00:27.04 | huhlig | or how are you booting |
| 00:27.26 | Noxx | I'm using Hyperterminal |
| 00:27.29 | Noxx | Port 1 |
| 00:27.33 | Noxx | COM! |
| 00:27.36 | Noxx | 1 |
| 00:27.46 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:27.53 | huhlig | is windows still on the unit? |
| 00:27.56 | Noxx | I successfully installed bootloader |
| 00:28.09 | Noxx | but now I'm stuck |
| 00:28.21 | Noxx | no |
| 00:28.25 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:28.28 | Noxx | well I think no |
| 00:28.36 | huhlig | was haret working before you put the bootloader on |
| 00:28.39 | Noxx | when I boot it, I only go to the pinguin image |
| 00:28.44 | Noxx | haret ? |
| 00:29.00 | huhlig | you did do a test boot first |
| 00:29.01 | huhlig | right |
| 00:29.21 | Noxx | well I followed the tutorial on handheld.org |
| 00:29.23 | BinaryMutant | huhlig can you help me too? |
| 00:29.57 | Noxx | this one: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/bootldr-activesync.html |
| 00:30.07 | Noxx | and everuthing was fine |
| 00:32.15 | Noxx | huhlig: what was I supposed to do ? |
| 00:33.56 | huhlig | use haret first |
| 00:34.05 | Noxx | what is it ? |
| 00:34.30 | huhlig | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET |
| 00:34.39 | huhlig | it allows you to boot linux from inside windows |
| 00:34.46 | huhlig | allowing you to test out the system first |
| 00:35.15 | Noxx | never heard of that before |
| 00:35.22 | Noxx | wasn't included in the tutorial |
| 00:36.15 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:36.26 | BinaryMutant | okay so how do I not get a "Failure to execute protocol" error in minicom when I transfer jsff2 images? |
| 00:36.26 | huhlig | I think alot of the tutorial docs need rewritten |
| 00:36.31 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:36.33 | Noxx | even't if I haven't used it... I don't think my pda is briked yet |
| 00:36.33 | huhlig | hold on |
| 00:36.35 | Noxx | ok |
| 00:36.42 | huhlig | Noxx, no |
| 00:36.43 | huhlig | not yet |
| 00:37.00 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:37.05 | huhlig | when you boot |
| 00:37.08 | Noxx | yes |
| 00:37.10 | huhlig | what does the screen look like |
| 00:37.17 | Noxx | Pinguin |
| 00:37.21 | Noxx | with choices |
| 00:37.23 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:37.27 | huhlig | what are the choices |
| 00:37.34 | Noxx | let me see |
| 00:37.56 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, ok what model and what is your problem |
| 00:37.57 | Noxx | serial bootloader |
| 00:38.02 | Noxx | USB console |
| 00:38.11 | Noxx | Boot VFAT HDD/CF |
| 00:38.14 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:38.17 | Noxx | Boot Flash Rom |
| 00:38.23 | Noxx | CF reflash tool |
| 00:38.27 | Noxx | thats it |
| 00:38.41 | huhlig | did you put the linux fs on the cf |
| 00:39.04 | BinaryMutant | huhlig: I've got an h5500, and minicom keeps giving me "Failure to execute protocol" errors when I try to use x/y/z modem to transfer files |
| 00:39.12 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:39.23 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, lemmie look quick |
| 00:39.24 | Noxx | no I did not... |
| 00:39.31 | Noxx | I didn't know I had to |
| 00:39.37 | BinaryMutant | you dont Noxx |
| 00:39.41 | Noxx | ok |
| 00:40.07 | BinaryMutant | I thought you were having init problems anyways Noxx |
| 00:40.19 | Noxx | no |
| 00:40.20 | huhlig | noxx where did you put the kernel and fs |
| 00:40.34 | Noxx | eh ? |
| 00:40.44 | Noxx | listen, I rebooted |
| 00:40.52 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:41.04 | huhlig | Noxx, where did you put the kernel and filesystem |
| 00:41.11 | Noxx | then I uploaded the bootstrap file |
| 00:41.25 | Noxx | nowhere |
| 00:41.28 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:41.32 | huhlig | thats your problem |
| 00:41.37 | Noxx | its on my lappy |
| 00:41.44 | huhlig | do you have a CF card handy |
| 00:41.51 | Noxx | 32mb |
| 00:41.55 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:42.37 | huhlig | can you partition it with a fat16 partition |
| 00:42.43 | huhlig | or vfat |
| 00:42.47 | huhlig | it will make life easy |
| 00:43.23 | Noxx | I hope to but I haven't any card reader |
| 00:43.25 | Noxx | oh |
| 00:43.35 | Noxx | I haven't pcmcia to cf |
| 00:43.39 | huhlig | usb |
| 00:43.52 | huhlig | available from most office supply stores for about 5$ |
| 00:44.31 | huhlig | you put the FS and image on the cf |
| 00:44.33 | Noxx | ok tell me what to do with |
| 00:44.43 | huhlig | create a linux directory |
| 00:45.03 | huhlig | in it put in your kernel and image |
| 00:45.30 | Noxx | kernel image ? |
| 00:45.37 | huhlig | you dont have your kernel image |
| 00:45.41 | huhlig | zimage |
| 00:45.45 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, ok |
| 00:45.51 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, sorry he hit me up first |
| 00:46.21 | Noxx | yes zimage |
| 00:46.23 | Noxx | 1.3mb |
| 00:46.27 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:46.39 | huhlig | put that and your fs image on the cf card |
| 00:46.46 | Noxx | yes |
| 00:47.06 | huhlig | in the linux directory |
| 00:47.12 | huhlig | then choose vfat/cf |
| 00:47.14 | huhlig | it will boot up |
| 00:47.19 | Noxx | k |
| 00:49.37 | Noxx | the fs image is the .jffs2 file ? |
| 00:50.16 | BinaryMutant | ya |
| 00:50.21 | Noxx | k |
| 00:50.33 | Noxx | both in the card then I press vfat cf |
| 00:50.40 | Noxx | It will automatically boot ? |
| 00:50.42 | Noxx | then what ? |
| 00:54.10 | BinaryMutant | I dunno |
| 00:55.18 | Noxx | ok.... |
| 00:57.40 | huhlig | then it boots |
| 00:57.48 | huhlig | you have gpe or opie |
| 00:58.01 | huhlig | although you dont use jffs2 for CF |
| 00:58.09 | huhlig | only internel flash |
| 00:58.17 | Noxx | ok |
| 00:58.25 | Noxx | only zimage ? |
| 01:00.47 | *** join/#handhelds mzb_d800 (n=mzb@ppp108-88.static.internode.on.net) |
| 01:01.12 | *** mode/#handhelds [+o mzb_d800] by ChanServ |
| 01:08.34 | huhlig | no |
| 01:08.39 | huhlig | hi hi mzb |
| 01:08.41 | huhlig | how goes |
| 01:10.14 | Noxx | my card is in fat system is it ok ? |
| 01:11.36 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: hi |
| 01:12.17 | huhlig | noxx is it partitioned |
| 01:12.21 | huhlig | or is it without partition |
| 01:12.29 | Noxx | no partitions |
| 01:12.32 | Noxx | only fat |
| 01:13.56 | BinaryMutant | is embeded debian as easy to install as familiar? |
| 01:15.41 | Noxx | familiar is not easy lol |
| 01:16.45 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: depends how hard you make it for yourself :P |
| 01:16.48 | BinaryMutant | I dunno, I've reinstalled familiar a million times, switching gpe and opie a bunch |
| 01:17.12 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, which do you prefer gpe or opie |
| 01:17.20 | huhlig | GPE is nice as I can just X in |
| 01:17.35 | BinaryMutant | gpe, because of X |
| 01:17.44 | huhlig | but its kind of anoying as the applications lack alot of the functionality of their M$ counterparts |
| 01:17.45 | BinaryMutant | and snes9x |
| 01:18.06 | huhlig | is there a good Outlook replacement at all? |
| 01:18.06 | BinaryMutant | yeah like sd card support |
| 01:19.14 | BinaryMutant | I dunno, I use evolution. But gpe comes with a PIM too |
| 01:19.39 | huhlig | evolution for GPE? |
| 01:19.49 | huhlig | or for HH |
| 01:20.00 | BinaryMutant | desktop |
| 01:20.02 | huhlig | ahh |
| 01:20.04 | BinaryMutant | srry |
| 01:20.09 | huhlig | I am looking for something on handhelf |
| 01:20.12 | huhlig | handheld |
| 01:20.27 | BinaryMutant | winCE has outlook for the pda? |
| 01:20.30 | huhlig | yes |
| 01:20.54 | huhlig | just cause noone really has bothered |
| 01:20.58 | BinaryMutant | seems kinda memory hogish to me |
| 01:21.05 | huhlig | what, java? |
| 01:21.24 | BinaryMutant | I meant evolution, but yeah java too |
| 01:21.37 | BinaryMutant | err outlook |
| 01:21.43 | huhlig | outlook is a memory hog |
| 01:21.45 | huhlig | wont deny it |
| 01:21.59 | *** join/#handhelds akio (n=lucifer@233.0.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:22.10 | akio | hello? |
| 01:22.16 | Noxx | hi |
| 01:22.19 | BinaryMutant | hola |
| 01:22.20 | akio | there we go |
| 01:22.30 | Noxx | how do I partition my cf card in VFAT ? |
| 01:22.31 | akio | i have access to a foleo 1 |
| 01:22.36 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: sylpheed |
| 01:22.47 | BinaryMutant | Noxx fdisk I guess |
| 01:22.51 | Noxx | k |
| 01:22.56 | huhlig | mzb_d800, does that do contacts, calendar, etc |
| 01:22.56 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:23.03 | akio | i was wondering if i could copy its contents over to a usb drive |
| 01:23.18 | BinaryMutant | fdisk /wherever/the/card/is |
| 01:23.18 | akio | it runs a linx 2.4 kernel |
| 01:23.28 | akio | i dont have root |
| 01:23.29 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: don't recall, there is PIM for that |
| 01:23.36 | Noxx | I'm trying to boot my h3850 correctly ! |
| 01:23.39 | Noxx | lol |
| 01:23.44 | huhlig | mzb_d800, the pim seemed very, lackluster |
| 01:23.45 | Noxx | I messed things up I think |
| 01:24.17 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: you are trying to boot from the card? Please give a proper description |
| 01:24.26 | Noxx | yes thats it |
| 01:24.29 | akio | is there a way i could get that thing to run in a virtual machine? |
| 01:24.43 | Noxx | because COM1 booting leads to Kernel errors |
| 01:24.47 | Noxx | to me |
| 01:24.53 | Noxx | and I'm hopeless lol |
| 01:25.03 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: you mean you are trying to install bootldr? |
| 01:25.09 | Noxx | no |
| 01:25.15 | Noxx | bootldr is already installed |
| 01:25.22 | Noxx | I'm trying to install family |
| 01:25.27 | Noxx | like Opie or GPE |
| 01:25.28 | mzb_d800 | right, start again, and assume that I've not been reading |
| 01:25.31 | akio | huhlig: you know what im talking about? |
| 01:25.37 | Noxx | ok |
| 01:25.48 | Noxx | I already installed bootldr succesfully |
| 01:25.55 | BinaryMutant | Noxx: reload your root partition then |
| 01:25.57 | huhlig | akio what thing |
| 01:26.07 | BinaryMutant | boot: load root |
| 01:26.13 | Noxx | but when I comes to install Opie or anything else, I got a Kernel error |
| 01:26.13 | huhlig | a foleo 1 |
| 01:26.16 | huhlig | whats the CPU? |
| 01:26.25 | akio | http://news.com.com/Can+Linux+save+the+Palm+OS/2008-1045_3-6110042.html |
| 01:26.33 | akio | its a risc processor |
| 01:26.44 | akio | 415 mghz |
| 01:27.05 | Noxx | how do I reload root ? |
| 01:27.20 | huhlig | hmm |
| 01:27.32 | BinaryMutant | next time your @ the boot: prompt, type load root |
| 01:27.40 | huhlig | ahh the one that has been discontinued |
| 01:27.41 | akio | they are planning to do a foleo 2 with palm os |
| 01:27.44 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: so you've never installed the root filesystem properly? |
| 01:28.00 | akio | i have access to one |
| 01:28.07 | Noxx | well, I don't really know what I did... I followed the tutorial on handhelds.org |
| 01:28.08 | akio | its badass |
| 01:28.18 | akio | believe it or not |
| 01:28.23 | huhlig | I believe you |
| 01:28.25 | akio | but not for its price tag |
| 01:28.26 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: have you ever had it booting? |
| 01:28.36 | BinaryMutant | why emulate linux on palm? |
| 01:28.39 | Noxx | to windows or linux ? |
| 01:28.44 | akio | either |
| 01:28.45 | huhlig | BinaryMutant, not emulation |
| 01:29.11 | akio | i want the bastardized linux and the closed binaries off of the device |
| 01:29.16 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: what is this # about? and why do you think I asked the question? *sigh* linux of course! |
| 01:29.18 | Noxx | In linux, the far that I get is a Kernel panic: init... |
| 01:29.27 | Noxx | yes lol |
| 01:29.51 | BinaryMutant | lol |
| 01:29.53 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: and at what stage did it stop working? |
| 01:30.02 | Noxx | when I type boot |
| 01:30.06 | Noxx | it loads a bit |
| 01:30.11 | Noxx | then I got an error message |
| 01:30.13 | mzb_d800 | STOP TYPING |
| 01:30.24 | Noxx | ok... :( |
| 01:30.42 | mzb_d800 | read my questions: 1. Have you ever had linux booting. 2. At what stage did it stop booting? |
| 01:30.55 | BinaryMutant | huhlig, what is it? Palm that can run linux binaries? It sounded like emu to me |
| 01:31.06 | akio | huhlig: doing research or have an ideas? |
| 01:31.10 | Noxx | No, Linux did not succesfully boot, and it stop booting at the near beggining... |
| 01:31.19 | Noxx | I don't think I've set up this well |
| 01:31.24 | Noxx | *things |
| 01:31.49 | mzb_d800 | right, so you've never successfully installed linux (in the first place). Please paste link of the instructions you are following |
| 01:31.58 | Noxx | ok hold on |
| 01:32.26 | Noxx | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/ |
| 01:32.32 | Noxx | I have a H3850 |
| 01:32.53 | Noxx | I'm following the serial port instruction |
| 01:32.59 | mzb_d800 | why can't you do 0.8.4? |
| 01:33.08 | akio | BinaryMutant: it runs from a 2.4 kernel, where did you hear it was being emulated? |
| 01:33.39 | Noxx | I have no idea. |
| 01:33.43 | mzb_d800 | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/ |
| 01:33.47 | mzb_d800 | start again ;) |
| 01:34.54 | BinaryMutant | that link you threw into the room, news.com |
| 01:34.57 | Noxx | When I upload the jffs2 file, at the end, it says that it an Unrecognized Kernel image |
| 01:35.31 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: gee that was quick ... how about you start from the beginning of the 0.8.4 instructions :) |
| 01:35.45 | Noxx | lol... |
| 01:35.52 | Noxx | but I don't have access to windows anymore |
| 01:36.00 | Noxx | I can't reinstall bootldr |
| 01:36.14 | mzb_d800 | got a Linux host? |
| 01:36.27 | Noxx | no... my laptop died two weeks ago |
| 01:36.45 | mzb_d800 | just trying to make things difficult for yourself? :) |
| 01:36.46 | mzb_d800 | what version of bootldr are you running? |
| 01:37.08 | mzb_d800 | so what machine are you typing on? |
| 01:37.10 | Noxx | I took the last one, let me see... |
| 01:37.15 | Noxx | on windows XP |
| 01:37.29 | mzb_d800 | errr ... and the problem is? |
| 01:37.50 | Noxx | I used bootblaster1.19 |
| 01:38.06 | mzb_d800 | how about you (quietly!) read the instructions and come back if/when you get stuck :) |
| 01:38.33 | Noxx | mzb... I'm stuck.. or I think I am |
| 01:39.05 | Noxx | I can't boot on any OS in my IPAQ anymore |
| 01:39.19 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: read the instructions for 0.8.4 ... go through the steps, then tell me WHICH STEP you get stuck on |
| 01:39.22 | mzb_d800 | right? |
| 01:39.26 | BinaryMutant | akio: what do you mean it runs 2.4? The palm? or are you talking about familiar |
| 01:39.27 | Noxx | ok |
| 01:39.56 | Noxx | the thing is, I can't start from the beggining since I can't reinstall bootldr |
| 01:40.31 | mzb_d800 | RE-read the instructions! |
| 01:40.52 | Noxx | ok... |
| 01:41.46 | BinaryMutant | lol Noxx, I've already reinstalled Opie and it works since your first question |
| 01:42.02 | mzb_d800 | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/upgrade-bootldr.html |
| 01:42.32 | mzb_d800 | yes, too much typing, not enough reading :P ... time for caffeine brb |
| 01:42.36 | Noxx | thanks Binary... |
| 01:42.53 | Noxx | yes let me calm down a bit |
| 01:43.26 | Noxx | ohhh |
| 01:44.09 | BinaryMutant | okay my turn for questions |
| 01:44.16 | BinaryMutant | how can I get my sd card to work? |
| 01:44.45 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: plug it in, and the describe the problem? :) |
| 01:44.57 | mzb_d800 | s/and the/and then/ |
| 01:45.17 | mzb_d800 | and the machine + software versions you are using |
| 01:45.29 | mzb_d800 | (ie. esp. kernel version) |
| 01:45.57 | BinaryMutant | hng on, brb afk, dmesg says I need to partition the card. |
| 01:45.59 | Noxx | there is no bootldr from the tarball I've dl... |
| 01:46.40 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: heh ... are you running RamduskRescue? |
| 01:47.12 | BinaryMutant | no, I'm running opie....RamduskRescue? |
| 01:47.40 | BinaryMutant | about to run fdisk on the card... |
| 01:47.46 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: which image? |
| 01:47.58 | BinaryMutant | gtg bbl |
| 01:48.06 | mzb_d800 | s/RamduskRescue/RamdiskRescue/ ... dm |
| 01:48.51 | Noxx | bootldr from the Opie tarball |
| 01:48.59 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: which image? |
| 01:49.07 | mzb_d800 | (link pls!) |
| 01:49.51 | mzb_d800 | taking too long my friend: brb5 (things to do) |
| 01:49.57 | zyxnull | does ipkgfind has any mirrors? |
| 01:50.07 | Noxx | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/download.html |
| 01:54.37 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: didn't I ask you to follow 0.8.4 instructions? |
| 01:54.44 | Noxx | thats what I do |
| 01:54.53 | Noxx | upgrading bootloader |
| 01:55.52 | mzb_d800 | <Noxx> http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/download.html |
| 01:55.54 | mzb_d800 | hmm |
| 01:56.00 | Noxx | oh sorry wrong link |
| 01:56.40 | Noxx | but where do I get the correct bootldr ? |
| 01:57.03 | mzb_d800 | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/download.html |
| 01:57.47 | Noxx | is it in the package ? (tarball) ? |
| 01:58.17 | Noxx | ok got it |
| 01:58.30 | Noxx | I understand now... I've downloaded the wrong package |
| 01:58.38 | mzb_d800 | yes |
| 01:58.44 | Noxx | ok |
| 01:59.04 | Noxx | but I still have to upgrade the bootldr ? |
| 02:00.16 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: I don't know if you *have* to, but if you follow the instructions AS WRITTEN there's a good chance that you won't need to ask questions |
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| 02:00.26 | Noxx | ok |
| 02:00.35 | mzb_d800 | other than ... How do I thank the ppl that wrote this? |
| 02:01.02 | mzb_d800 | (which might still indicate a lack of comprehension;) |
| 02:02.48 | Noxx | CAn I contribute ? |
| 02:03.10 | mzb_d800 | what have you got? :) |
| 02:04.53 | mzb_d800 | you could become familiar with: |
| 02:04.55 | mzb_d800 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FindPage |
| 02:04.56 | mzb_d800 | and |
| 02:05.07 | mzb_d800 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 02:05.21 | mzb_d800 | which would help you to answer questions in # |
| 02:05.34 | Noxx | ok thanks |
| 02:05.40 | mzb_d800 | (which in turn would leave me with more time to work on RamdiskRescue;) |
| 02:05.49 | Noxx | ok |
| 02:05.55 | Noxx | last question |
| 02:06.18 | mzb_d800 | is that the last question before or after you install 0.8.4? ;) |
| 02:06.27 | mzb_d800 | (jk) |
| 02:06.33 | Noxx | when I try to upload bootldr, my ymodem transfer window froze and I nothing trasfers |
| 02:06.35 | Noxx | lol |
| 02:06.50 | mzb_d800 | try xmodem |
| 02:07.05 | Noxx | it says, using ymondem |
| 02:07.14 | mzb_d800 | yes, I know |
| 02:07.30 | Noxx | I get the error no response from the remote syste, |
| 02:07.44 | mzb_d800 | ensure you have all the right settings in hyperterm |
| 02:08.03 | Noxx | still same bug |
| 02:08.06 | Noxx | let me double check |
| 02:08.41 | mzb_d800 | "If you have an H36xx, H37xx, H38xx, send the bootldr-sa-2.20.4.bin.gz file using xmodem," |
| 02:08.43 | zyxnull | How do i get sftp on familiar? (This gotta be placed on faq) |
| 02:09.13 | mzb_d800 | zyxnull: are you trying to copy to or from? |
| 02:09.45 | Noxx | it worked with Ymodem |
| 02:09.45 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: I'm trying to copy to the PDA |
| 02:09.45 | mzb_d800 | scp should work, but sftp (iirc) is not enabled in dropbear .... err ... could be wrong there |
| 02:10.03 | mzb_d800 | scp myfile root@ipaq:/somedir/ |
| 02:10.09 | Noxx | well it worked with Ymodem |
| 02:10.17 | Noxx | so I supposed its ook |
| 02:10.25 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: what did you change? |
| 02:11.07 | mzb_d800 | zyxnull: I'm guessing you attempted to browse the ipaq with nautilus (or similar) ? |
| 02:11.44 | Noxx | I tried again and It worked |
| 02:11.50 | Noxx | I changed nothing |
| 02:12.06 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: the quote I pasted above comes from: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/upgrade-bootldr.html |
| 02:12.13 | mzb_d800 | are we on the same page? :) |
| 02:12.44 | Noxx | yes |
| 02:12.51 | zyxnull | mzb_d800 in fact, I'm trying to figure out how to sync to the Ipaq, but if it is posible to use an gftp like interface, It'll be great |
| 02:13.15 | Noxx | but now I'm sending the jffs file |
| 02:13.22 | mzb_d800 | zyxnull: sync is different kettle of fish |
| 02:13.54 | mzb_d800 | plain copy is easiest done with scp |
| 02:13.56 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: I know, however i saw that multisync can sync using sftp |
| 02:14.23 | Noxx | I'll give you news in 25 mins when the upload will be over |
| 02:14.27 | Noxx | ok ? |
| 02:14.41 | mzb_d800 | iirc: sftp functionality needs extra pkg (memory failing me) ... # ipkg list | grep sftp |
| 02:15.09 | mzb_d800 | zyxnull: but I don't think it's worth the effort |
| 02:15.46 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: Ok, let's leave the sftp issue apart, how do i sync? |
| 02:16.49 | mzb_d800 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync ??? |
| 02:17.00 | mzb_d800 | can't really tell you ... never tried it |
| 02:17.27 | mzb_d800 | iirc syncing is one of those problematic tasks |
| 02:17.31 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: I have tried that one, and makes a lot of sense, however i'm using opie |
| 02:17.47 | mzb_d800 | ask on #opie for better advice |
| 02:18.13 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: Thank you very much, I'll check it out, brb |
| 02:18.15 | mzb_d800 | (not sure if anyone's awake atm, but ymmv) |
| 02:18.17 | mzb_d800 | np |
| 02:18.45 | mzb_d800 | ;) |
| 02:21.34 | mzb_d800 | I can't say the feeling gets better with time :| |
| 02:22.30 | zyxnull | mzb_d800: :D I'm quite used to Linux and all it's ups and downs, it always takes a little effort to start |
| 02:22.54 | mzb_d800 | :) good ... you won't be disappointed then :) |
| 02:23.19 | mzb_d800 | I suspect what you're after is due (or out) in the latest version(s) |
| 02:23.39 | mzb_d800 | I seem to recall some chatter about sync improvements recently |
| 02:25.16 | zyxnull | Ohh!!! I didn't know that opie has an ftp server on port 4242 |
| 02:27.09 | mzb_d800 | me neither |
| 02:27.27 | zyxnull | That'll be nice, ppl from WinCE will ask for that immediately, I didn't even try the WinCE of my pocket, just switched it to Familiar, damn scary thing, not like flash a WRT54G |
| 02:27.28 | Noxx | hi back |
| 02:28.17 | Noxx | me too I haven't even try my PocketWIndos |
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| 02:47.07 | Noxx | OPIE SUCCESFULLY INSTALLED! |
| 02:47.09 | Noxx | thanks guys |
| 02:49.08 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: yay |
| 02:51.50 | huhlig | hey mzb_d800 curious |
| 02:52.04 | huhlig | you very adept at databases |
| 02:52.30 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: I used to be |
| 02:52.38 | huhlig | which would you suggest |
| 02:52.41 | huhlig | one DB per user |
| 02:52.49 | huhlig | or 5 tables per user 1 DB |
| 02:52.57 | mzb_d800 | for what purpose? |
| 02:52.58 | huhlig | or more tables |
| 02:53.15 | huhlig | Im tossing together an exchange clonesqe thing |
| 02:53.27 | huhlig | the data needs to be easily modular |
| 02:53.39 | mzb_d800 | in sql? |
| 02:53.41 | huhlig | and tossing everything in one DB seems like a bad solution overall |
| 02:53.41 | huhlig | yes |
| 02:53.46 | huhlig | sql backend |
| 02:54.18 | mzb_d800 | one db isn't the issue (imo), it's how you structure your tables |
| 02:54.36 | huhlig | well, there will be a email table |
| 02:54.41 | huhlig | a calendar |
| 02:54.43 | huhlig | notes |
| 02:54.51 | huhlig | pfs |
| 02:55.02 | mzb_d800 | ie. the idea being that you never duplicate anything you could replace with a "link" |
| 02:55.12 | huhlig | reletively modular |
| 02:55.22 | huhlig | cause I have a few clients who have additional needs |
| 02:55.28 | huhlig | a lawyer who needs to store files |
| 02:56.30 | mzb_d800 | files in sql? good luck:) ... might be easier to have ftp|dav and put a "files" table with a link to the location of the file ... but afaik putting files in db is *bad* |
| 02:57.14 | huhlig | why is that |
| 02:57.31 | huhlig | well usually what you have is a gz filesystem |
| 02:57.46 | huhlig | so you would have 3 files for a user |
| 02:57.50 | huhlig | current.db |
| 02:57.53 | huhlig | archive.db |
| 02:57.55 | huhlig | files.db |
| 02:57.57 | Noxx | wich webbrowser is recomanded for opie ? |
| 02:58.04 | huhlig | err files.gz |
| 02:58.17 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: the one that is installed by default? |
| 02:58.42 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: (potentially) big files in db is *bad* |
| 02:58.44 | Noxx | hmmm... |
| 02:59.17 | Noxx | I haven't find it lol |
| 03:04.49 | Noxx | where is it ? |
| 03:05.43 | huhlig | mzb_d800, so would having 500 db connections open in java be bad? |
| 03:05.53 | huhlig | or more |
| 03:06.11 | mzb_d800 | java == bad ;) ... so I can't comment |
| 03:06.26 | huhlig | oh |
| 03:06.30 | huhlig | what is your suggestion |
| 03:06.32 | huhlig | basic C |
| 03:06.35 | mzb_d800 | none |
| 03:06.38 | huhlig | oh |
| 03:06.44 | huhlig | I take it you dont like programming |
| 03:06.53 | mzb_d800 | It's been >10yrs since I did anything real with databases |
| 03:06.58 | huhlig | heh |
| 03:06.59 | huhlig | point |
| 03:07.08 | mzb_d800 | took me almost 2yrs to write |
| 03:07.31 | mzb_d800 | (mostly rewriting buggy MS routines) |
| 03:07.44 | huhlig | so what is your language of choice? |
| 03:07.52 | mzb_d800 | heh |
| 03:08.03 | mzb_d800 | 6809 assembler ;) |
| 03:08.12 | huhlig | oh |
| 03:08.59 | mzb_d800 | keep in mind I haven't written anything of consequence for years |
| 03:09.04 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:09.15 | mzb_d800 | Ramdisk-Rescue and dvd-baker are both scripts |
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| 03:09.28 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:09.34 | Noxx | plz tell me where to get the web browser |
| 03:09.38 | mzb_d800 | I'm currently brushing up my C/C++ skills for doing a menu system in RR |
| 03:09.50 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:10.06 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: # ipkg list | grep -i browser |
| 03:10.08 | huhlig | curses? |
| 03:10.18 | Noxx | ok thanks |
| 03:10.41 | mzb_d800 | yes, I have pre-alpha version using libcurses |
| 03:10.53 | mzb_d800 | and xml-based menu definitions |
| 03:11.10 | mzb_d800 | but not sure if xml+curses will fit in initrd |
| 03:11.51 | huhlig | coo |
| 03:11.52 | mzb_d800 | I've also managed to include multi-language support as a side effect ... so that might be interesting ;) |
| 03:11.56 | huhlig | how big is it |
| 03:12.00 | huhlig | coo |
| 03:12.04 | mzb_d800 | the menu? |
| 03:12.11 | huhlig | the entire thing |
| 03:12.27 | huhlig | how multilingual |
| 03:12.40 | huhlig | only script languages? |
| 03:12.44 | mzb_d800 | I haven't built the new menu into a RR-initrd (yet) ... have a look at the rr wiki |
| 03:12.46 | huhlig | or true unicode? |
| 03:12.49 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:13.40 | mzb_d800 | not just latin chars atm (ie. inc. Greek and Russian), but will depend on whether I can fit the support in the kernel |
| 03:14.08 | huhlig | ahh |
| 03:14.11 | mzb_d800 | working on a test version with about 6 or 7 languages ... I've been translating with online tools and pasting it in |
| 03:14.15 | huhlig | no japanese or chinese kanji |
| 03:14.27 | mzb_d800 | not yet ... but might be possible |
| 03:14.43 | mzb_d800 | so we'll see ... should help to expose RR + familiar to wider audience |
| 03:14.53 | mzb_d800 | (if I can get it to work well) |
| 03:16.09 | Noxx | hmmm, I don't seem to be able to get the browser |
| 03:19.14 | mzb_d800 | O-menu -> Applications -> Web Browser |
| 03:20.07 | BinaryMutant | ruby4ever |
| 03:20.18 | Noxx | there is no webbrowser |
| 03:20.36 | BinaryMutant | in what? |
| 03:20.41 | Noxx | Applications |
| 03:20.55 | BinaryMutant | what are you running? |
| 03:20.59 | BinaryMutant | Opie or Gpe? |
| 03:21.13 | Noxx | Opie |
| 03:21.48 | BinaryMutant | bring up the console and type: konqueror |
| 03:22.37 | Noxx | not found |
| 03:22.46 | Noxx | :( |
| 03:22.49 | mzb_d800 | no |
| 03:23.24 | BinaryMutant | what about if you type: ipkg install konqueror |
| 03:23.36 | mzb_d800 | do you have usbnet configured yet? search the wiki for instructions |
| 03:24.19 | BinaryMutant | the default install includes konqueror for opie |
| 03:24.33 | mzb_d800 | my mistake |
| 03:24.43 | Noxx | hmmm strange |
| 03:24.45 | mzb_d800 | konqueror-embedded |
| 03:24.49 | BinaryMutant | ya |
| 03:25.02 | mzb_d800 | might not be in small (h3600) image |
| 03:25.12 | mzb_d800 | get usbnet working |
| 03:25.22 | Noxx | said: could not find package konqueror |
| 03:25.33 | mzb_d800 | konqueror-embedded !!! |
| 03:25.40 | BinaryMutant | I hate the web browser for both opie and gpe, no right click menus |
| 03:25.41 | mzb_d800 | have you got usbnet working? |
| 03:26.13 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: right click? install xmonobut in GPE |
| 03:26.17 | Noxx | no wait, I don't even know what is usbnet lol |
| 03:26.29 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: search the wiki pls |
| 03:26.40 | Noxx | thats what I do |
| 03:26.46 | BinaryMutant | mzb_d800L what about opie? I just put opie on like 30 minutes ago ;( |
| 03:26.52 | mzb_d800 | when you have that working, you should be able to install whatever you want |
| 03:27.23 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: no idea about right clicks in opie (should be designed without it;) |
| 03:27.32 | mzb_d800 | (click hold) |
| 03:28.15 | Noxx | ok I know now |
| 03:28.28 | Noxx | no, I haven't set up it yet |
| 03:28.59 | BinaryMutant | Noxx: Do you have wifi on your pda? |
| 03:29.15 | mzb_d800 | 3850 doubtful |
| 03:29.32 | mzb_d800 | stick with usbnet atm, you will need it anyway |
| 03:29.58 | Noxx | yes I have wifi |
| 03:30.19 | Noxx | I'm already connected |
| 03:30.26 | Noxx | with my network |
| 03:31.31 | mzb_d800 | right, open a console, # ipkg update && ipkg install konqueror-embedded |
| 03:32.02 | mzb_d800 | OR use the package manager ;) |
| 03:32.18 | Noxx | ok |
| 03:32.29 | Noxx | let me try |
| 03:34.25 | Noxx | dl |
| 03:35.00 | Noxx | done |
| 03:35.16 | Noxx | do i restart now ? |
| 03:36.16 | mzb_d800 | no |
| 03:36.25 | BinaryMutant | is /dev/mmc/disc my sd card? |
| 03:36.36 | mzb_d800 | probably |
| 03:37.03 | BinaryMutant | where can I find that out? |
| 03:37.08 | Noxx | got it |
| 03:37.15 | mzb_d800 | # cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:38.02 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: come to think of it, usbnet would have been a wild goose chase with a Win* host... rndis probably wouldn't have worked ;) |
| 03:39.13 | BinaryMutant | should I make it ext or fat? |
| 03:40.08 | BinaryMutant | nm |
| 03:40.51 | Noxx | lol |
| 03:42.47 | Noxx | is it normal that konqueror doest load any images ? |
| 03:43.44 | BinaryMutant | okay wtf, it hasn't been partitioned yet but fdisk can't read it. Makes no sense |
| 03:44.02 | Noxx | and is there a way to resize the webpage to make the text and buttons smaller ? |
| 03:45.00 | BinaryMutant | pictures load for me Noxx |
| 03:45.33 | Noxx | hmmm |
| 03:45.43 | Noxx | if you go to google.ca |
| 03:45.48 | Noxx | you see the google logo & |
| 03:45.51 | BinaryMutant | ya I see the logo |
| 03:46.08 | BinaryMutant | and that's defaultm since I just loaded Opie onto my pda |
| 03:46.16 | Noxx | hmmm |
| 03:46.21 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: fdisk is a partitioning tool ... there will be no mbr to read on an unpartitioned card |
| 03:46.52 | Noxx | is it possible to have a linksys WG511T wifi card working with this pda ? |
| 03:47.46 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: File -> Automatically show images |
| 03:48.00 | mzb_d800 | s/show/load/ |
| 03:48.30 | Noxx | kk |
| 03:49.37 | BinaryMutant | mzb_d800: I always thought fdisk did that for you. So how can I create the master boot record on the card? |
| 03:51.27 | Noxx | I see the google its ok |
| 03:51.39 | Noxx | omg I got strange bugs |
| 03:52.14 | Noxx | sometimes the screen change color and strange bars appears... |
| 03:53.19 | BinaryMutant | defective pda then Noxx |
| 03:53.20 | Noxx | the only to get rid of it is to unplug the wireless card or to wait that the screen automatically shuts off and you cant restor it uless you unplug the card.... |
| 03:53.42 | Noxx | damn... |
| 03:53.57 | Noxx | never stops !! |
| 03:53.59 | Noxx | ahhhhh |
| 03:54.09 | BinaryMutant | mkfs.ext2 ? |
| 03:55.37 | BinaryMutant | I don't see what the wireless card has to do with your screen |
| 03:55.52 | Noxx | me too... but |
| 03:56.09 | Noxx | the only way to restore the screen is by unpluging the card |
| 03:56.13 | BinaryMutant | mzb should i run mkfs.ext2 on my sd card? |
| 03:56.24 | Noxx | and when the screen fizzle, the card stops to be powered |
| 03:56.38 | BinaryMutant | I'd say you've got a bad pda. |
| 03:57.10 | Noxx | shit I bought it on ebay... |
| 03:58.11 | BinaryMutant | well that says something |
| 03:58.35 | Noxx | maybe |
| 03:58.45 | Noxx | where did you get yours ? |
| 04:01.41 | BinaryMutant | corporate throw away |
| 04:02.09 | Noxx | luck |
| 04:02.11 | Noxx | y |
| 04:02.17 | mzb_d800 | BinaryMutant: no ... make a partition table first |
| 04:02.48 | BinaryMutant | how? |
| 04:02.56 | mzb_d800 | fdisk |
| 04:03.05 | BinaryMutant | tried said it couldnt read it |
| 04:03.20 | mzb_d800 | insert card |
| 04:03.23 | BinaryMutant | ... |
| 04:03.25 | mzb_d800 | ^^1^^ |
| 04:03.34 | mzb_d800 | 2. # logread | tail |
| 04:03.40 | mzb_d800 | (to find node for card) |
| 04:03.52 | mzb_d800 | 3. # cat /proc/mounts |
| 04:04.14 | mzb_d800 | so ensure nothing card-related is mounted (umount /whatever ... if necessary) |
| 04:04.30 | mzb_d800 | 4. # fdisk /dev/whatever-disk-node |
| 04:04.44 | mzb_d800 | n p 1 ... etc |
| 04:04.45 | mzb_d800 | w |
| 04:04.58 | mzb_d800 | create a single partition (if that floats your boat) |
| 04:05.13 | mzb_d800 | if you want to use it between win+linux make it fat |
| 04:05.17 | Noxx | hey, If i want to install aircrack-ng should I take the linux download or the zaurus ? |
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| 04:05.29 | mzb_d800 | forget zaurus |
| 04:05.35 | Noxx | k |
| 04:05.36 | mzb_d800 | if you want linux only, do ext2 |
| 04:05.54 | mzb_d800 | if you want both, but need permissions (etc) do 2 partitions |
| 04:06.07 | mzb_d800 | 1. fat, 2. ext2 |
| 04:06.21 | mzb_d800 | (adjust /etc/fstab accordingly) |
| 04:06.50 | BinaryMutant | alright, I'm getting kernel errors when I put the sd card in, a lot say ignoring mmc, another says unable to read partition |
| 04:07.00 | mzb_d800 | machine type? |
| 04:07.44 | mzb_d800 | unable to read partition is probably automounter trying to mount partition 1 ... just comment the entry in /etc/fstab if that annoys you |
| 04:07.48 | Noxx | how do I get the aircrack-ng from the website ? I click on linux and nothings happens |
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| 04:08.24 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: stick with the packages in your package manager ... and pls don't ask us to support software not in the repositories |
| 04:08.36 | Noxx | ok |
| 04:10.11 | mzb_d800 | Noxx: forget spelling, but check wellenwriter and kismet ... please don't ask for cracking advice ... I will drop-punt you from the # |
| 04:11.04 | Noxx | I don't need cracking advices lol |
| 04:11.29 | Noxx | but plz, is it possible to download a file from the internet ? |
| 04:11.46 | huhlig | quite |
| 04:11.49 | huhlig | use a browser |
| 04:11.52 | huhlig | point it to a file |
| 04:11.58 | huhlig | save said file |
| 04:12.05 | huhlig | use file as websites directions direct |
| 04:12.16 | huhlig | use wget if you like |
| 04:12.32 | Noxx | ok |
| 04:12.44 | Noxx | and kismet is not in the package list |
| 04:12.54 | huhlig | nope |
| 04:12.58 | Noxx | oh |
| 04:13.00 | huhlig | compile to your hearts content |
| 04:13.58 | Noxx | k |
| 04:15.43 | Noxx | I go to sleep |
| 04:15.48 | Noxx | thanks guys |
| 04:27.47 | BinaryMutant | I don't understand I still can't fdisk it |
| 04:32.21 | mzb_d800 | machine type? card size? |
| 04:32.32 | mzb_d800 | do you have another device that can read the card? |
| 04:32.51 | mzb_d800 | have you found the device node for the card? |
| 04:33.05 | mzb_d800 | pls answer all questions ... I won't ask again! :) |
| 04:36.29 | BinaryMutant | okay, I've got an h5500 and I want to partition my 2Gig PNY SD card with the pda because it's the only device I own that can read SD cards. But for some reason when I fdisk /dev/mmc/disc I get an error that says "Unable to read /dev/mmc/disc" |
| 04:39.25 | mzb_d800 | do you have another device that can read the card? (eg camera, or computer) |
| 04:39.42 | BinaryMutant | nope, just my pda |
| 04:39.56 | mzb_d800 | for h55xx, SD support is quite strange ... you probably need to reboot/restart with card inserted |
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| 04:40.14 | mzb_d800 | I've had varying success ... particularly with 2GB cards |
| 04:41.59 | BinaryMutant | I've rebooted a few times now, and it's really not working |
| 04:43.07 | BinaryMutant | would a 2.6 kernel work better? |
| 04:47.58 | mzb_d800 | not ready for production use afaik, but might be better (soon) |
| 04:48.28 | mzb_d800 | (I have a h5550 in the fleet) |
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| 18:20.24 | Xappu | anyone here? |
| 18:20.59 | Xappu | is the linux for ipaq6340 still being developed |
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| 20:58.15 | aquadran | france: hello :) |
| 20:58.40 | france | aquadran, hello |
| 21:01.43 | aquadran | france: how cluster words are going ? |
| 21:02.08 | france | the cluster is great, the hw test are just finishing... |
| 21:02.16 | france | takes a while to burn them in |
| 21:02.30 | france | and it took longer assemble and debug than I thought |
| 21:02.34 | france | about 50 hours |
| 21:05.31 | aquadran | all nodes are builded ? |
| 21:05.51 | france | yes - construction is done... |
| 21:05.58 | france | still need to rack mount them |
| 21:08.19 | france | and work on some infrastructure to allow folks to use them |
| 21:17.15 | france | --I need to put a note on the front page of hh.org |
| 21:17.26 | france | about osu, the hardware that had to be replace.. |
| 21:17.27 | france | etc... |
| 21:17.33 | france | most of the servers are on ubuntu |
| 21:17.51 | france | this weekend all the service will be moved to osu, so that the MIT boxes can be upgraded this week to ubuntu |
| 21:22.28 | aquadran | france: osu ? |
| 21:22.58 | france | aquadran, hh.org has a bunch of machines at oregon state university |
| 21:23.18 | france | I just spent a week there for maintaince and to work on the skiff/ipaq cluster |
| 21:28.10 | france | I have to run..I will be back tomorrow |
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| 23:34.08 | huhlig | wow |
| 23:34.08 | Leeds | he said he'd be back tomorrow |
| 23:34.31 | huhlig | oOo |
| 23:34.31 | huhlig | I need to catch him |
| 23:34.31 | Leeds | you'll have to try harder ;-) |
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| 23:34.32 | huhlig | heh |
| 23:34.32 | huhlig | Ive been trying |
| 23:34.32 | huhlig | prior to his breif appearance |
| 23:34.32 | huhlig | he hasnt been on in 15 days |
| 23:34.32 | Leeds | <france> I just spent a week [at osu] for maintaince and to work on the skiff/ipaq cluster |
| 23:34.33 | huhlig | ahh |
| 23:34.33 | huhlig | I knew he was there |
| 23:34.46 | huhlig | He just said he would pop in every so often |
| 23:34.58 | huhlig | I didnt think every so often was bi monthly |
| 23:35.11 | Leeds | he is a rather extremely busy man... |
| 23:35.24 | huhlig | yes |
| 23:35.24 | huhlig | I know |
| 23:35.24 | Leeds | you could always leave him a message, you know |
| 23:35.53 | huhlig | email no response |
| 23:35.53 | huhlig | and a few bounce |
| 23:36.38 | Leeds | dunno what to tell you - except that I'm going to get some breakfast |
| 23:36.47 | huhlig | breakfast? |
| 23:36.51 | huhlig | austrailia? |
| 23:39.44 | mzb_d800 | Leeds is HK iirc |
| 23:40.13 | mzb_d800 | (morning all;) |
| 23:41.41 | huhlig | ahh |
| 23:41.43 | huhlig | morning |
| 23:41.51 | huhlig | its like 5pm |
| 23:41.55 | huhlig | silly aussie |
| 23:42.00 | huhlig | how goes mzb_d800 |
| 23:42.21 | mzb_d800 | heh |
| 23:42.26 | mzb_d800 | gday |
| 23:42.31 | mzb_d800 | good thx, and you? |
| 23:42.38 | huhlig | get vpn working on your ipaq? |
| 23:42.40 | huhlig | decent |
| 23:42.49 | huhlig | got put on hold for new job for a week |
| 23:42.56 | mzb_d800 | all, except for g/f's (hx2110) |
| 23:43.03 | mzb_d800 | shame |
| 23:43.14 | huhlig | why so |
| 23:43.19 | huhlig | wlan issues? |
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| 23:43.54 | mzb_d800 | not sure, openvpn driver does nothing, no logs, nothing (works on hx4700 OK) |
| 23:44.00 | huhlig | hmm |
| 23:44.08 | huhlig | unusual |
| 23:44.12 | mzb_d800 | so means that I now need to get ipsec/l2tp going (as well:( ) |
| 23:44.26 | mzb_d800 | ah well, should be easier now that I've got a better understanding |
| 23:44.27 | huhlig | does she need vpn? |
| 23:44.30 | huhlig | heh |
| 23:44.42 | mzb_d800 | no, she needs internet access in bed |
| 23:44.52 | huhlig | you have to vpn into your network |
| 23:44.55 | huhlig | in your own home? |
| 23:45.02 | mzb_d800 | :) |
| 23:45.27 | mzb_d800 | I live quite close to a large (in Tasmanian terms) shopping centre |
| 23:45.54 | mzb_d800 | and I know the overconfidence in weak security is a bad thing |
| 23:46.01 | mzb_d800 | s/that/that |
| 23:47.32 | mzb_d800 | there is another possibility ... I put another machine underneath the bedroom as a bluetooth NAP ... I just don't want to waste the gear (running short on bluetooth+wifi+everything) |
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| 23:48.28 | mzb_d800 | if all the wifi devices I had were WPA2 capable, this wouldn't be so much of a problem |
| 23:49.31 | mzb_d800 | but as some of the older ones aren't, it looks like WEP (just to keep the kids out), and VPN (to keep everyone else out) |
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| 23:50.10 | huhlig | ahh |
| 23:50.17 | huhlig | WPA1 should work |
| 23:50.26 | huhlig | it takes too long to crack wpa1 |
| 23:51.14 | huhlig | you could just do WPA1 with connection routing by mac |
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| 23:52.18 | huhlig | whoops |
| 23:52.39 | huhlig | wrong button |
| 23:53.44 | Gurft | I can't seem to locate info on the Palm TX in the wiki (maybe I just can't find it) |
| 23:53.58 | Gurft | I happened to replace mine, and wanted to start doing some development with it.... |
| 23:54.27 | huhlig | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTXBinaryHowTo |
| 23:54.42 | huhlig | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTX |
| 23:55.30 | Gurft | tahnk you sir |
| 23:56.13 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: no I'm pretty sure I've got devices (or know of devices I'm likely to have to test) that will only do WEP |
| 23:56.25 | huhlig | mzb_d800, ahh |
| 23:56.33 | huhlig | have a multicast router? |
| 23:56.35 | mzb_d800 | much easier to setup a secure network now, than worry about being hacked later |
| 23:56.44 | mzb_d800 | multicast? |
| 23:57.00 | huhlig | multiple tranceivers |
| 23:57.09 | huhlig | set one to wep |
| 23:57.13 | huhlig | one to wpa |
| 23:57.24 | mzb_d800 | you mean multiple ssid (iirc) |
| 23:57.28 | huhlig | yes |
| 23:57.47 | huhlig | A friend of mine who works in an ISP always calls em multicast routers |
| 23:57.50 | mzb_d800 | which defeats the purpose of having any security ;) |
| 23:58.06 | mzb_d800 | multicast is a completely different thing ;) |
| 23:58.07 | huhlig | why |
| 23:58.25 | mzb_d800 | the chain is only as strong as the weakest link |
| 23:58.25 | huhlig | you simply route wep signals to appropriate places only |
| 23:58.31 | huhlig | or require vpn only on wep |
| 23:58.57 | mzb_d800 | yeah ... but it still puts me right back in the same place (but with more complication) |
| 23:59.10 | huhlig | oh |
| 23:59.14 | huhlig | hers only does wep |
| 23:59.30 | mzb_d800 | the bottom line is that clients (at the low end of the scale) need WEP and it needs to be secure (for my sake) |
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| 23:59.45 | mzb_d800 | yes, ppc2003 WEP only (afaik) |
| 23:59.45 | huhlig | ahh |
| 23:59.57 | huhlig | oh, she is still running windows |