IRC log for #handhelds on 20070915

01:00.18*** join/#handhelds RyoS (n=ryo@cache.0bit.org)
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01:56.13wladstonhey mzb_d800!
01:56.18wladstonmy gf is here today!
01:56.25mzb_d800*wave*
01:56.28wladstonI just finished to set her SD card up
01:56.42wladstonwe're now wondering if linux will start :)
01:57.20wladstonthe screen is all back with a cursor-size-like white line on it
01:57.27wladstonI think it didn't work :(
01:57.48mzb_d800first boot takes time
01:58.12wladstonahn :)
01:58.13mzb_d800leave it for at least 10mins (depends on lots of things)
01:58.29wladston(breaths happily)
01:58.29mzb_d800serial cable helps :)
01:58.40wladstonthe power one ?
01:59.11mzb_d800http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqPowerAdapterMod
01:59.53mzb_d800at least then you can tell if it's actually doing anything ... otherwise it takes a *long* time to debug ;)
02:01.19wladstonI can guess :)
02:01.24wladstonI'll just hope for the best
02:01.38wladstonbecause I'm not the cable-maker man :)
02:06.25mzb_d800take note of temperature :) ... possibly even do an md5sum of the ext2 partition before+after boot attempts
02:07.11mzb_d800once you know it's booting, but there's some problem that stops gui from happening
02:07.50mzb_d800you should be able to change syslog from circular buffer to file (but not on /tmp) to get more diag (after the event;)
02:08.20wladstonI just followed the instructions exactly as here : http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqRx1950Documentation
02:09.17mzb_d800I always giggle at the "exactly" bit ... :)
02:09.27wladstonEXACTLY :)
02:10.54mzb_d800:)
02:10.56mzb_d800brb5
02:11.21wladstonnothing yet :(
02:12.20wladstoncan I just hit the "reset" and try again ?
02:13.07wladstonit's been on the cursor line for about 15 mins already :(
02:14.56mzb_d800what is a reset going to achieve?
02:15.22mzb_d800(not that waiting longer is going to achieve much either ;)
02:15.40wladstonwell ... just give it a second chance :)
02:17.49mzb_d800heh
02:18.07wladston"warning : unable to open an initial console"
02:18.11mzb_d800as I said, debug will take a long time :)
02:18.14wladstoni hope this is normal
02:18.29mzb_d800instructions "exactly" huh?
02:18.48wladstonwell, I tried my best :)
02:19.07mzb_d800http://embedded.net.ru/rx1950/default.txt
02:19.11wladstonit doesn't describe the VERY basic steos
02:19.13wladstonsteps
02:19.53mzb_d800get the card into your host and we'll take a look at it
02:20.07wladstonright
02:20.32mzb_d800(the fastest way would be to allow me root access via ssh .... but if you don't know how to redirect ports, etc ... that will just take longer;)
02:20.34wladstoncard's on the host
02:20.42mzb_d800card node?
02:20.51wladston/dev/sdc ?
02:21.01mzb_d800# dmeg | tail
02:21.12mzb_d800# cat /proc/partitions
02:21.26wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ sudo  dmeg | tail
02:21.26wladstonsudo: dmeg: command not found
02:21.33mzb_d800# dmesg | tail
02:21.55wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$  dmesg | tail
02:21.56wladston[19309.013307] sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
02:21.56wladston[19309.014615] SCSI device sdc: 1024000 512-byte hdwr sectors (524 MB)
02:21.56wladston[19309.015366] sdc: Write Protect is off
02:21.56wladston[19309.015371] sdc: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
02:21.56wladston[19309.015373] sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
02:21.58wladston[19309.015589]  sdc: sdc1 sdc2
02:22.00wladston[19310.978343] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
02:22.02wladston[19310.995922] EXT3 FS on sdc1, internal journal
02:22.04wladston[19310.995936] EXT3-fs: recovery complete.
02:22.05mzb_d800# fdisk -l /dev/sdc
02:22.06wladston[19311.014271] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
02:22.12mzb_d800errr
02:22.17wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ cat /proc/partitions
02:22.17wladstonmajor minor  #blocks  name
02:22.17wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.17wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.18wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.18mzb_d800why is it ext3?
02:22.20wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.22wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.24wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.24mzb_d800stop
02:22.26wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.28wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.30wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.32wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.34wladston<PROTECTED>
02:22.36wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:22.38wladstonI just did what the instructions said
02:22.43wladstonmke2fs -j /dev/sdd1
02:22.58wladstonand  "First is LINUX partition more than 64 megabytes size"
02:23.03mzb_d800stupid idea (ext3)
02:23.11wladstonthe linux code is 83 on fdisk
02:23.17mzb_d800# fdisk -l /dev/sdc
02:23.37wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc
02:23.38wladstonDisk /dev/sdc: 524 MB, 524288000 bytes
02:23.38wladston32 heads, 32 sectors/track, 1000 cylinders
02:23.38wladstonUnits = cylinders of 1024 * 512 = 524288 bytes
02:23.38wladston<PROTECTED>
02:23.38wladston/dev/sdc1               1         192       98288   83  Linux
02:23.40wladston/dev/sdc2             193        1000      413696    b  W95 FAT32
02:23.53mzb_d800# grep sdc /proc/mounts
02:24.18wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ grep sdc /proc/mounts
02:24.19wladston/dev/sdc2 /media/disk-1 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 0 0
02:24.19wladston/dev/sdc1 /media/disk-2 ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,data=ordered 0 0
02:24.19wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:24.41mzb_d800ls -l /media/disk-2/
02:24.55wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ ls -l /media/disk-2/
02:24.56wladstontotal 32
02:24.56wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  3072 2007-09-14 22:48 bin
02:24.56wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  1024 2006-03-17 05:22 boot
02:24.56wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  1024 1969-12-31 21:00 dev
02:24.56wladstondrwxr-xr-x 30 wladston wladston  3072 2007-09-14 22:49 etc
02:24.58wladstondrwxr-xr-x  3 wladston wladston  1024 2006-03-17 05:15 home
02:25.00wladstondrwxr-xr-x  4 wladston wladston  1024 2007-02-07 16:20 lib
02:25.02wladstondrwx------  2 root     root     12288 2007-09-14 22:46 lost+found
02:25.04wladstondrwxr-xr-x 10 wladston wladston  1024 2006-03-17 05:15 media
02:25.06wladstondrwxr-xr-x  3 wladston wladston  1024 2007-09-14 22:48 mnt
02:25.08wladstondrwxr-xr-x  3 wladston wladston  1024 2007-09-14 22:48 opt
02:25.10wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  1024 2006-02-06 16:04 proc
02:25.12wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  3072 2007-09-14 22:48 sbin
02:25.13mzb_d800oops
02:25.14wladstondrwxr-xr-x  2 wladston wladston  1024 2006-02-06 16:04 sys
02:25.16wladstonlrwxrwxrwx  1 wladston wladston     8 2007-09-14 22:48 tmp -> /var/tmp
02:25.18wladstondrwxr-xr-x 10 wladston wladston  1024 2005-11-23 12:59 usr
02:25.20wladstondrwxr-xr-x 11 wladston wladston  1024 2006-02-14 06:24 var
02:25.22wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:25.23mzb_d800ls -l /media/disk-1/
02:26.05mzb_d800ls -l /media/disk-1/linux/
02:26.16wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ ls -l /media/disk-1/linux/
02:26.17wladstontotal 1648
02:26.17wladston-rwx------ 1 wladston root     156 2007-09-14 22:51 default.txt
02:26.17wladston-rwx------ 1 wladston root  248320 2007-09-14 22:51 haret.exe
02:26.17wladston-rwx------ 1 wladston root 1421596 2007-09-14 22:51 zImage
02:26.17wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:26.40mzb_d800# cat /media/disk-2/etc/fstab
02:26.49wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ cat /media/disk-2/etc/fstab
02:26.49wladston/dev/mmcblk0p1       /                    auto       defaults              1 1
02:26.49wladstonproc                 /proc                proc       defaults              0 0
02:26.49wladstondevpts               /dev/pts             devpts     mode=0620,gid=5       0 0
02:26.49wladstonusbdevfs             /proc/bus/usb        usbdevfs   noauto                0 0
02:26.50wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:29.15mzb_d800hmm
02:29.32wladstonshould I reformat as ext2 and retry ?
02:30.00mzb_d800might help
02:30.11mzb_d800hang on
02:30.38wladstonalright
02:30.49mzb_d800# ls -l /media/disk-2/dev | grep console
02:30.59mzb_d800# ls -l /media/disk-2/dev | grep tty0
02:31.34wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ ls -l /media/disk-2/dev | grep console
02:31.34wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:31.44wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$  ls -l /media/disk-2/dev | grep tty0
02:31.44wladston-rw-r--r-- 1 root     root      413 2006-03-17 12:26 tty0
02:32.30mzb_d800# find  /media/disk-2/lib/modules | grep ext
02:32.56wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$ find  /media/disk-2/lib/modules | grep ext
02:32.56wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$
02:33.14mzb_d800doh, static
02:33.30mzb_d800yeah, format as ext2
02:33.37wladstonright
02:33.45wladstonif you can tell me how to do it .. :)
02:33.45mzb_d800when does console warning come up?
02:33.54mzb_d800remove the "-j"
02:34.00wladstonit's the last think that comes up
02:34.04wladstonahn, cool :)
02:34.14mzb_d800last thing? before/after what?
02:34.32wladstonafter the screen comes back
02:34.44wladstonand the little console like line takes place
02:35.59mzb_d800comes back?
02:36.55wladstonwhen I untar I get this
02:36.57wladstontar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
02:37.08wladstonI'm still on the sd card setup phase :)
02:37.18wladstontar: var/run/ld.so.cache: time stamp 2037-05-11 00:24:07 is 935801247.642012308 s in the future
02:37.28mzb_d800right, so you unmounted, reformatted and then remounted, right?
02:37.37wladstonyeah
02:37.55mzb_d800# date
02:38.23wladstonjust a moment .. I'm on vim now
02:39.02wladstonwladston@Chata:/media/disk-1$ date
02:39.03wladstonFri Sep 14 23:38:49 BRT 2007
02:40.15wladstonok, time to retry
02:42.17wladstonsame black screen
02:42.19wladston:(
02:42.37mzb_d800# md5sum h1940-opie-image.tar.bz2
02:43.06wladston17f1eaf283f2244861508e67854655db  h1940-opie-image.tar.bz2
02:44.18mzb_d800# ls -l h1940-opie-image.tar.bz2
02:44.40wladstonwladston@Chata:~/linuxipaq$  ls -l h1940-opie-image.tar.bz2
02:44.41wladston-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15986798 2007-06-03 08:21 h1940-opie-image.tar.bz2
02:45.14mzb_d800I though you said your g/f's machine was rx1950
02:45.43mzb_d800ah, dm
02:45.44wladstonyeah, it is
02:45.52wladstonsee http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqRx1950Documentation
02:46.31mzb_d800right ... well trying to boot after a failed (un)tar is pointless
02:47.22wladstonokay, my gf got bored :) she is leaving to her house now, I'm taking her to her car ... brb!
02:47.25mzb_d800you are doing tar as root, right?
02:47.29mzb_d800k
02:47.41wladston(she is leaving her ipaq with me ;)
02:48.57mzb_d800I have tested extraction
02:49.12mzb_d800I suspect you are not untarring as root (tar needs to mknod)
02:50.16mzb_d800you will notice that the instructions are all preceded with "#"
02:50.27mzb_d800(indicating execute as root)
02:50.31mzb_d800$ sudo su
02:50.40mzb_d800then start the extraction again
02:51.05wladstonahn!!!
02:51.08wladstonright
02:51.13wladstonI didn't know that!!
02:51.23mzb_d800# == root
02:51.26mzb_d800$ == user
02:51.34wladstonriiight!
02:54.00mzb_d800forget the console line (it probably won't hurt, but shouldn't be required)
02:54.00wladstoncool, I didn't get a single error now!
02:54.04mzb_d800:)
02:54.16wladstonshould I reformat as ext3 ?
02:54.22wladstonsince it's what the guide says ?
02:54.24mzb_d800might as well
02:54.24reaVerdid iPAQ gain wireless support or something?
02:54.30wladstonok
02:54.47mzb_d800(although it's a stupid idea to have ext3 on flash card imo)
02:55.04mzb_d800reaVer: since forever
02:55.37mzb_d800(on handhelds time scale, at least)
02:56.38wladstonoh, a stupid idea ?
02:56.51wladstonI wonder now if I should reformat again as ext2 ;;;
02:57.02reaVermzb_d800: I asked in here 6 months ago and back then I was told that there wasn't wireless support for my iPAQ
02:57.08reaVer(hp4500 iirc)
02:57.56mzb_d800oh, for *your* ipaq ;P
02:58.09mzb_d800i think you mean h5400?
02:58.29reaVerno, 4500
02:58.50mzb_d800never heard of it
02:59.10wladstonokay ... i see the penguin ... let's hope i will work this time :)
02:59.15mzb_d800:)
02:59.35wladston:D
02:59.36reaVer4350
02:59.41reaVerhp4350
02:59.45wladstonlooks like it's acting different from the last time !! :D
02:59.53reaVernot 4500:P
02:59.55wladstonit's starting daemons
03:00.26wladstonWOW
03:00.29wladstonit WORKS!!!
03:00.32wladstonThanks, mzb_d800!!!
03:02.11mzb_d800np
03:02.26mzb_d800hp4350, that sounds better
03:02.42mzb_d800have you checked h4100-port mailing list
03:02.45reaVerand I can't find anything about it on the wiki
03:02.48reaVernope:P
03:02.52wladstonbut I can't start it!
03:03.07mzb_d800reaVer: can you take a hint? :)
03:03.13wladstonlooks like it hanged :(
03:03.41mzb_d800wladston: start what .... don't press anything ... and describe what you see
03:03.56wladstonI asked me to provide the timezone
03:04.03wladstonbut my county wasn't on the list
03:04.08mzb_d800aw :(
03:04.10wladstonso I clicked to see the globe
03:04.21wladstonbut I couldn't select my timezone
03:04.29mzb_d800don't make it too hard for it ;P
03:04.29wladstonso I clicked on the keyboard
03:04.37wladstonand it went to a background screen
03:05.02mzb_d800reaVer: iirc psokolovsky has made progress on h4100 wifi
03:05.16reaVermzb_d800: it's reported to be fully working it seems
03:05.22mzb_d800so you will see comments in (one of the) mailing list(s)
03:05.28mzb_d800hmm
03:05.51mzb_d800so now you probably need to mail that list to find out more (etc)
03:06.13mzb_d800wladston: start again ... and keep it "simple" next time :)
03:06.20wladston:)
03:06.21wladstonright
03:06.27mzb_d800my girls are home, brb
03:07.42reaVermzb_d800: no, there's a wiki update
03:07.51reaVeryou know, one that's not linked on the index:P
03:08.10wladstonlooks like the on-screen keyboard doesn't work
03:08.11reaVerand it reports wireless to be fully functional
03:08.38wladston"opie" is the only one that I can install on it ?
03:10.24mzb_d800wladston: mail the guy who built it ... or go to the h1940 page ... or something :)
03:10.30mzb_d800reaVer: nice
03:10.52wladstondo you use opie ?
03:11.26wladstonnow it's on the "please wait, loading personal information settings" ... it's taking forever .. looks like it hanged :(
03:13.08mzb_d800wladston: kind of
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03:13.31wladstonwhat do you sugggest me ? reset and try again ?
03:14.19mzb_d800might work
03:14.32mzb_d800wladston: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH1940Downloads
03:15.04wladstonbut mine isn't the h1930 one !
03:15.33mzb_d800you're using an h1940 image, right? :)
03:15.43mzb_d800but either way ... they all look pretty old
03:16.19wladston:(
03:16.40mzb_d800you might have to learn how to build you own images :)
03:16.50wladstonauch
03:16.56mzb_d800(it's not a "one day event" !!!)
03:17.50wladstoni wish world was prettier
03:18.29wladstonwow
03:18.32wladstonit did work this time!
03:21.29wladstonit has some REAL nice stuff
03:21.45wladstonbut there are SERIOUS problems on the usability side
03:22.07wladstonthe keyboard didn't work out of the box :(
03:24.15mzb_d800there was a warning remember :)
03:24.36wladston?
03:24.39wladstonwith one ?
03:26.34mzb_d800"Also you can try opie rootfs (initially for h1940, some things may not work)"
03:27.29wladstonbuttons/leds/battery indicator/wifi/ aren't working
03:27.47mzb_d800to be expected
03:28.05mzb_d800I suggest you get in contact with the author of the kernel
03:28.32wladston... it's my gf's pda after all ... I don't think she'll like the opie system :(
03:28.45mzb_d800s/author of the/guy who compiled that/
03:30.57wladstonIf at least I could get the keyboard to work ... I think she would get interested...
03:31.09wladstonbut without wifi, I think that it will be a difficult task
03:31.31wladstonnothing happens when I plug it to the desktop
03:32.04mzb_d800follow the link for usbnet
03:32.15mzb_d800(ie. it's not automatic)
03:32.38mzb_d800anyway ... looks like you've got something to amuse yourself with ... I'm on a mission
03:33.45wladstonright
03:33.54wladstonthanks for all the help man!
03:34.22wladstonto be honest, I would say that I'm a bit disapointed, while at the same time impressed with some little features
03:35.50mzb_d800ps: join #opie
03:40.15wladstona killer bug - it doesn't turn off :(
03:41.36mzb_d800all kernel issues ... get on with contacting ppl :)
03:41.43mzb_d800time to mow the back lawn
03:41.44mzb_d800bbl
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08:36.49Txukie1982hello
08:37.30Txukie1982does anyone have an original wince bootloader for an ipaq h5550??
08:44.27mzb_d800Txukie1982: search the wiki for Restore ... I think you'll find it's possible to extract the bootloader from an update image
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15:06.09Pollywogis there a Howto for installing Linux to a Tungsten T2?
15:09.35Pollywoghttp:/found something but it looks complicated http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTungstenT2HowTo
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