| 00:00.33 | ebbeyes | :) |
| 00:00.37 | ebbeyes | anyone around? |
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| 11:47.27 | joshua_ | BREW applets run with MMU off. |
| 11:47.41 | joshua_ | We could have some fun with this ..... |
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| 15:12.16 | ebbeyes | hello :) |
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| 18:09.07 | ebbeyes | hello |
| 18:09.35 | ebbeyes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.12 | ebbeyes | greetings |
| 19:30.08 | erpl | hello |
| 19:33.47 | ebbeyes | =) |
| 19:34.07 | ebbeyes | have you got a handheld repl ? |
| 19:34.10 | ebbeyes | erpl |
| 19:34.12 | ebbeyes | sry |
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| 19:34.54 | pH5 | hej goxboxlive |
| 19:35.07 | ebbeyes | :) |
| 19:35.13 | goxboxlive | hola |
| 19:35.36 | ebbeyes | does any one know if the serial lead for all ipaqs is the same? |
| 19:38.54 | erpl | ebbeyes: yes I do. trying to get linux on it. it's a 5450. |
| 19:39.09 | pH5 | ebbeyes: most, but not all. see http://rtfm.vtt.net/pinouts/pin_PDA.shtml.htm |
| 19:39.11 | ebbeyes | cool |
| 19:39.31 | ebbeyes | tyvm pH5 |
| 19:39.34 | erpl | but it does not respond to any connection trials. no luck on the serial port. :-( |
| 19:39.39 | ebbeyes | :( |
| 19:39.57 | ebbeyes | I hope i dont have trouble im getting a 5550 |
| 19:40.53 | erpl | good luck for you. maybe I'm just overseeing something... until now I don't know what it could be. |
| 19:41.14 | ebbeyes | bit rate n baud settings checked? |
| 19:43.17 | erpl | yes, more than 10 times. should be 115200 8N1 - and minicom shows that config. |
| 19:45.13 | ebbeyes | tried using cat ? |
| 19:45.18 | ebbeyes | netcat |
| 19:45.47 | ebbeyes | just to see if any data goes across? |
| 19:46.21 | ebbeyes | wait |
| 19:46.26 | ebbeyes | naw that wouldent work |
| 19:48.38 | erpl | yesterday someone told me to try screen. no luck, too. |
| 19:50.07 | ebbeyes | meybe you could try a ppp connection |
| 19:50.36 | ebbeyes | get pppd on ure *nix |
| 19:52.16 | erpl | shouldn't there be a ppp setup on the ipaq then? |
| 19:54.12 | ebbeyes | there ppp in windows ce |
| 19:54.28 | ebbeyes | or what ever windows called on ipaq these days |
| 19:55.13 | erpl | uh, how to setup ppp on that wince? I never wanted to get to know wince that much. ;) |
| 19:55.22 | ebbeyes | loll |
| 19:55.34 | erpl | so let's see what's on the blank wince device... |
| 19:55.44 | ebbeyes | meybe in control panal |
| 19:55.53 | ebbeyes | there dialup connections? |
| 19:56.05 | ebbeyes | there must be something for ppp |
| 19:56.27 | ebbeyes | if not wince is totaly retarded |
| 19:57.46 | erpl | oh, oh, something is coming in. I just clicked on "Connections" in the setup from wince and now there is "CLIENTCLIENTCLIENT..." poping up in minicom... what's that...?:-) |
| 19:57.56 | ebbeyes | lol |
| 19:58.10 | ebbeyes | meybe ppp trying to start a connection |
| 19:58.58 | erpl | maybe. at least that means, that there is a connection hardware wise. but till now I don't now how to get it the way I want it to. |
| 19:58.59 | ebbeyes | could try close connections folder try proccess again |
| 19:59.14 | ebbeyes | may of woken it up |
| 19:59.25 | ebbeyes | if not try ppp connection |
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| 20:00.18 | ebbeyes | oooooooooo |
| 20:00.27 | ebbeyes | have u disabled active sync? |
| 20:02.45 | erpl | to be honest: I don't know. where to disable it? |
| 20:05.01 | ebbeyes | it says in the howto you need to make a ppp connection before you make a minicom connection |
| 20:05.38 | ebbeyes | start -> active sync |
| 20:05.51 | ebbeyes | tools -> options |
| 20:06.07 | ebbeyes | then uncheck use active sync |
| 20:06.16 | erpl | Should I have overlooked that? I did not see anything concerning ppp before minicom. Do you have the link to the howto you use, please? |
| 20:06.39 | ebbeyes | http://math.bme.hu/~lackac/ipaq/linux-ipaq/Linux-iPAQ-HOWTO-1.1.html#sec3.2 |
| 20:07.34 | ebbeyes | it uses ppp to transfer files then minicom to comunicate with the bootloader |
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| 20:09.04 | erpl | I just read http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/install-serial.html and had the impression that plain minicom should suffice. |
| 20:13.32 | erpl | I'll give that howto a whirl now... |
| 20:14.58 | ebbeyes | :) |
| 20:15.17 | ebbeyes | the how to you showed me part 4 of a 5 part proccess |
| 20:15.55 | ebbeyes | part 5 even |
| 20:16.10 | ebbeyes | you need to do parts 1 - 4 of that how to |
| 20:16.21 | ebbeyes | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/ |
| 20:16.34 | erpl | yeah I did. and the device buzzes one time as been told. |
| 20:17.06 | erpl | but then: no connection via minicom. |
| 20:18.12 | ebbeyes | you used bootblaster? |
| 20:18.29 | ebbeyes | and bootldr? |
| 20:19.15 | ebbeyes | then verify your bootloader |
| 20:20.39 | ebbeyes | 115200 8 bits 1 stop bit |
| 20:21.29 | erpl | you mean verifying via bootblaster? |
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| 20:41.15 | ebbeyes | : |
| 20:44.57 | erpl | ebbeyes: as far as i understsand the ppp connection is only used for transfering the files to the handheld. the files have been transfered via sd card. now steps 3 onwards need to be taken... |
| 20:45.20 | ebbeyes | ok :) |
| 20:45.58 | ebbeyes | well you got various input across it at least u know hardware ok |
| 20:47.30 | erpl | that's somehow true. i'm trying to get the effect i had some minutes ago... ("CLIENT...") or something like that. |
| 20:49.00 | ebbeyes | tried pressing calender button? |
| 20:49.43 | erpl | yes |
| 21:04.16 | erpl | ebbeyes: I got it. The pitty is I don't really know what it is, but there is the prompt now. *keepmyfingerscrossedthatitwilllast* :-) |
| 21:04.36 | erpl | Seems to be a loose connection on in the cradle or something... |
| 21:04.36 | ebbeyes | awsome =D |
| 21:05.13 | erpl | anyway, thank you so much for your patience and support! |
| 21:05.18 | ebbeyes | not long before it all working now =O |
| 21:05.23 | ebbeyes | :) np :) |
| 21:05.29 | erpl | alright. I'll let you know. |
| 21:06.00 | ebbeyes | I want to learn any quirks before i put linux on mine :) |
| 21:09.48 | erpl | I hope that this ipaq exemplar is almost unique in its behavior and yours will be well-behaved. :) |
| 21:12.14 | erpl | uh, that may take a long while... the jffs2-file is about 20MB large... and the serial connection is slow. one MB in three or four minutes. |
| 21:24.32 | ebbeyes | :) |
| 21:24.55 | ebbeyes | well worth the wait |
| 21:25.09 | ebbeyes | putting opie on? |
| 21:25.21 | erpl | no, gpe. |
| 21:26.23 | erpl | btw: do you know what's going on development wise with the familiar distribution? |
| 21:27.28 | erpl | I'm asking, because I'm a little bit confused by little comment I read a while ago that familiar will not be developed anymore. Can't really imagine that. |
| 21:28.38 | ebbeyes | i dunno lol im very new here i havnt even got my handheld yet lol |
| 21:29.15 | ebbeyes | what you like about gpe |
| 21:29.16 | ebbeyes | ? |
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| 21:32.17 | erpl | good question. I'm kinda gnome fan, liking GTK. There is no specific reason for that, except that I don't like KDE. Used it a while and seems to be to bloated for me. That's just a matter of taste. In the end I think GPE is the right joice according to Gnome on my desktop. |
| 21:35.54 | erpl | do you plan to put opie on your 5550? |
| 21:39.12 | ebbeyes | well from the outset it jus looks better |
| 21:39.38 | ebbeyes | gpe looks bit unupdated |
| 21:40.03 | ebbeyes | its trolltech based i think |
| 21:43.19 | ebbeyes | on my linux i dont use kde or gnome |
| 21:44.00 | ebbeyes | fluxbox on my palm would be pretty cool :P |
| 21:44.20 | ebbeyes | lol |
| 21:48.12 | erpl | so you'll take the base familiar install and customize it to your needs? |
| 21:48.31 | ebbeyes | naw i prob wont be bothered n install opie |
| 21:48.38 | ebbeyes | lol |
| 21:49.39 | ebbeyes | i can always wipe it and start again :) |
| 21:56.43 | ebbeyes | i changed my mind |
| 21:56.50 | ebbeyes | im going gpe as well =D |
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| 22:02.04 | erpl | Try it. If it's not for you, you may try opie. Maybe opie is more smart on handhelds than gpe. Maybe I shouldn't judge it by looking at Gnome/KDE...? |
| 22:02.25 | ebbeyes | yeh |
| 22:02.37 | ebbeyes | i never liked the qt libary |
| 22:09.29 | erpl | me neither. somehow I like c more than c++. |
| 22:12.20 | ebbeyes | I may jus get familure and a nice window manager |
| 22:12.27 | ebbeyes | use console based apps |
| 22:13.03 | erpl | I plan to use some pim stuff and hope for a good synchronisation. |
| 22:15.23 | ebbeyes | yeh it would be nice to have a pda that synchronies well =D |
| 22:15.54 | ebbeyes | i think my sync will be bash scripts =D |
| 22:18.05 | ebbeyes | lol |
| 22:19.29 | erpl | bash scripts will only work flawless if you will copy the whole files. so you need to take where you update which data, I guess. |
| 22:24.17 | ebbeyes | meybe using difftools? |
| 22:24.30 | ebbeyes | i will see lol |
| 22:24.54 | ebbeyes | im pretty sure theres a console alternitive to anything |
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| 22:50.27 | smaction | so I was asking help on the channel last night with regards to a web browser and e-mail using familiar and opie (I have an ipaq 39xx with those installed). However, I was recommended to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/. Does anyone have experience with this? I cannot find anything about installing on 39xx in the wiki. |
| 22:50.40 | smaction | would I have better luck staying with familiar and switching to gpe |
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| 22:52.43 | mzb | smaction: you'd have better luck asking about angstrom on #oe |
| 22:54.06 | ebbeyes | :) |
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| 23:22.44 | erpl | mah, GPE is booting. yase! :-D |
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| 23:27.05 | ebbeyes | awsome =) |
| 23:27.12 | ebbeyes | well done |
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| 23:28.30 | erpl | thx |
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| 23:33.37 | erpl | I'll play a little bit with the new thingy now and then go to bed. |
| 23:33.50 | erpl | Good night ya'll. Bye. |
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