| 00:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I bet it's a hackerish implemented special effect that forgot about some RGB 4/6/5 asymmetry |
| 00:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | 5/6/5 even |
| 00:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably white gets a greenish tint when you do a >>2 on all 3 values of RGB |
| 00:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's even intentional to compensate some effect in OLED |
| 00:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | or it's mere a physiological effect, and it's just getting dimmer but you think it's greenish ;-D |
| 00:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | are you in a green or red painted room? |
| 00:09.48 | Termana | Morning |
| 00:10.02 | Venemo | morning |
| 00:10.07 | Venemo | "morning" :P |
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| 01:22.33 | Venemo | hah! my first Harmattan ap is nearing completion :) |
| 01:22.38 | Venemo | app* |
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| 02:54.38 | antman8969 | the game? |
| 02:55.41 | antman8969 | oops, that was an hour ago lol |
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| 04:28.49 | frals | someone was asking about disabling screen blank: gconftool --set /system/osso/dsm/display/inhibit_blank_mode --type int 3 |
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| 04:37.07 | dm8tbr | muten gorgen |
| 04:38.00 | ieatlint | frals: can you explain what the 3 means, and potentially other values of note? |
| 04:38.11 | frals | i have no clue |
| 04:38.15 | frals | thats the one i know about ;) |
| 04:38.21 | ieatlint | haha, ok |
| 04:38.23 | ieatlint | thanks |
| 04:38.25 | frals | would probably make sense to check the default value before changing it to a 3 |
| 04:39.54 | ieatlint | the answer is 0 |
| 04:40.26 | dm8tbr | is there a place on the developer.nokia.com wiki where we could start documenting such things? |
| 04:40.35 | ieatlint | so perhaps it's just a boolean, and 3 works because it's true |
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| 05:17.03 | mece | hey |
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| 05:19.24 | dm8tbr | ho |
| 05:19.48 | mece | despises aegis |
| 05:20.11 | dm8tbr | who doesn't? |
| 05:20.38 | mece | well apparently someone. |
| 05:21.15 | dm8tbr | that would be mgmt and the operators I guess |
| 05:27.32 | mece | aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec does nothing! |
| 05:28.26 | Kaadlajk | mece: you need to reboot for that to work, and afaik it requires aegis-su package to run that command :-) |
| 05:28.37 | Kaadlajk | does the 22-6 firmware have aegis-su? |
| 05:31.28 | Kaadlajk | apparently not |
| 05:36.04 | mece | Kaadlajk, I can run that command. |
| 05:37.10 | mece | Kaadlajk, you just do devel-su; develsh; aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec; |
| 05:37.18 | mece | anyway rebooting |
| 05:37.26 | dm8tbr | beware DocScrutinizer made his device unbootable by aegis-su and had to reflash |
| 05:37.34 | Kaadlajk | :P |
| 05:37.37 | mece | how the what? |
| 05:37.55 | Kaadlajk | so i guess there is aegis-su afterall |
| 05:38.10 | dm8tbr | IIRC he installed a harmattan package of bash and tried something like aegis-su or something like that on it |
| 05:38.41 | mece | \o/ |
| 05:38.48 | mece | thanks Kaadlajk |
| 05:39.19 | dm8tbr | should take note of this command combo too, DocScrutinizer51 probably too |
| 05:40.16 | Kaadlajk | relaxed-exec only allows you to run binaries and scripts that dont have reference hash |
| 05:40.20 | Kaadlajk | but guess you already knew that |
| 05:41.28 | mece | hey how do I strip a certain line from a script/text file from terminal? |
| 05:41.44 | mece | (from known_hosts in this case) |
| 05:42.05 | dm8tbr | using either an editor or one of the other tools like sed or awk |
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| 05:44.55 | mece | is there a particular version of scratchbox that I should install to get this sdk installed? |
| 05:45.48 | dm8tbr | awk seems to be the tool btw |
| 05:46.02 | mece | dm8tbr, good to know :) |
| 05:46.41 | dm8tbr | I'm not an uber shell ninja. I just remember names of tools and google their usage or check my previous usage. ;) |
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| 05:57.26 | mece | hmm apparently sdk installer just dies with a python error. |
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| 06:32.36 | mece | do I want Harmattan Nokia Meego API armel beta rootstrap or Harmattan Platform API beta armel rootstrap ? |
| 06:33.00 | mece | for HARMATTAN_ARMEL |
| 06:33.06 | mece | (the python script didn't work) |
| 06:36.00 | mece | nvrmind found the instructions |
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| 06:51.21 | khertan | Morning |
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| 07:42.23 | mgedmin | n900 facebook photo upload used to say "uploaded from Nokia N900" |
| 07:42.41 | mgedmin | n950 facebook photo upload says "uploaded from Ovi by Nokia" |
| 07:42.53 | mgedmin | ಠ_ಠ|
| 07:44.03 | alterego | Still not got used to the N950 keyboard yet. They could have kept some semblance on the N900s |
| 07:44.17 | ieatlint | i like the keyboard... |
| 07:44.22 | alterego | Haven*t tried photo uploading yet. |
| 07:44.27 | ieatlint | but i spent the last few months on an e7, so.. |
| 07:44.37 | mgedmin | the changed position of ctrl throws me off |
| 07:44.40 | mgedmin | I expect I'll get used to it |
| 07:44.47 | alterego | Sure I like it, it*s just I can't touch type on it yet. |
| 07:48.28 | ieatlint | the battery life on this phone is also very nice |
| 07:48.32 | ieatlint | better than the n900 i think |
| 07:49.23 | mgedmin | drained it in one half of a day |
| 07:49.34 | mgedmin | but then I do that with ever new smartphone/internet tablet on the first day |
| 07:49.53 | ieatlint | yeah, first day doesn't count |
| 07:50.28 | ieatlint | i get a full 12-16h out of mine, and still have ~10-15% battery when i go to bed |
| 07:52.31 | laasonen | Has anyone tried to connect to remote PulseAudio server? |
| 07:53.38 | mgedmin | a long time ago, from a laptop to another laptop, over wifi, with poor results |
| 07:56.34 | rZr | <ieatlint> but i spent the last few months on an e7, so.. |
| 07:56.54 | rZr | ieatlint: got one too, did u manage to upgrade it ? |
| 07:59.16 | ieatlint | upgrade it? |
| 07:59.18 | laasonen | mgedmin: I have been using it from desktop to laptop with pretty good results. I was thinking about using desktop's speakers on harmattan. |
| 07:59.49 | ieatlint | if you mean to symbian anna, yes |
| 08:01.18 | rZr | mine refused to update |
| 08:02.15 | ieatlint | is the symbian anna update out? |
| 08:03.29 | laasonen | no |
| 08:06.30 | mgedmin | likes double-tap to unlock |
| 08:07.11 | ieatlint | yeah, i seem to find all the gestures very intuitive |
| 08:07.36 | mgedmin | I'm not used to swpe yet |
| 08:07.44 | mgedmin | sometimes I switch apps when I intend to scroll |
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| 08:08.03 | mgedmin | and sometimes the base of my hand touches the screen when I'm trying to swype to unlock the screen, e.g., aborting the gesture |
| 08:08.11 | mgedmin | used to drive me mad until I realized what was happening |
| 08:09.25 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 08:09.32 | ieatlint | haven't had any issues that weren't bugs |
| 08:18.41 | ieatlint | "059F358 RM-680 NDT CTR EURO BLACK" ... |
| 08:18.47 | ieatlint | wonders wtf NDT and CTR mean |
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| 08:26.15 | Venemo | good morning Harmattan :) |
| 08:28.08 | Venemo | achipa and alterego, thank you very-VERY much for your valuable help with QML yesterday |
| 08:28.23 | Venemo | at the end I managed to get it right :) |
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| 08:35.10 | tonberry_ | hi, anyone here had experience on installing apps in N950? |
| 08:36.13 | Venemo | could anyone tell me why this Sheet appears only on landscape? http://pastebin.com/3488yQEG |
| 08:36.35 | Mek | Venemo: either it's parent or visualParent needs to be a Page |
| 08:36.45 | Venemo | Mek, aaah, thank you |
| 08:36.54 | Mek | struggled with that for a while yesterday myself too :) |
| 08:37.15 | Venemo | heh, okay, thanks |
| 08:37.27 | Venemo | I didn't see this anywhere in the docs |
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| 08:41.58 | Stskeeps | hmm, i got announcement about a software update |
| 08:42.18 | Stskeeps | ah, sdk-connectivity-tool :/ |
| 08:42.19 | MohammadAG | didn't that brick a device on #meego? |
| 08:42.24 | MohammadAG | oh, nvm :P |
| 08:42.35 | mgedmin | didn't brick mine, was just some sdk connectivity tool |
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| 08:42.49 | MohammadAG | I thought it was the system update |
| 08:43.15 | Venemo | hahah |
| 08:43.22 | Venemo | there was a system update? |
| 08:43.32 | MohammadAG | at some point I think so |
| 08:43.37 | Venemo | hmm |
| 08:43.51 | Venemo | haven't seen it, despite my N950 being continuously online on wifi |
| 08:43.56 | MohammadAG | the guy said flasher refused to flash the older (online) version, so he had to send the device back |
| 08:44.39 | Venemo | hahaaah |
| 08:44.40 | Venemo | :D |
| 08:45.08 | ieatlint | did he describe how it would refuse to flash? |
| 08:45.17 | MohammadAG | Downgrading isn't possible |
| 08:46.37 | ieatlint | that seems surprising |
| 08:46.54 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 08:46.56 | Stskeeps | pr1.3 had modem stuff too |
| 08:47.28 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, you could flash PR1.2 on a PR1.3 system |
| 08:47.32 | tomma | tonberry_, dpkg -i <deb> |
| 08:47.40 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: well, there was one of them that had something about modem |
| 08:48.03 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, yes, but you can flash an older software version |
| 08:48.13 | Venemo | modem wouldn't work, yes, but you _could_ flash it |
| 08:48.17 | MohammadAG | (you might lose modem if you don't override checking) |
| 08:48.33 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why people assume harmattan uses thumb |
| 08:48.57 | MohammadAG | it doesn't?!!!1one |
| 08:49.59 | ieatlint | thumbs are overrated anyway |
| 08:50.18 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, the ELF tag is a bit misguided |
| 08:50.31 | Venemo | wut is thumb? |
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| 08:50.58 | tomma | tonberry_, thats how you install local deb-file |
| 08:51.30 | ieatlint | MohammadAG: you gotten your n950 yet? |
| 08:51.51 | Venemo | ieatlint, he has not :( |
| 08:51.57 | ieatlint | :( |
| 08:51.58 | Stskeeps | Venemo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb-2 |
| 08:52.06 | Venemo | thx Stskeeps |
| 08:52.39 | tonberry_ | currently what apps could be install? |
| 08:52.51 | Venemo | Stskeeps, seems like an old enough technology to support |
| 08:53.09 | ieatlint | tonberry_: none really |
| 08:53.25 | Venemo | you could install mine when I release it :P |
| 08:53.26 | Stskeeps | Venemo: basically thumb-2 is buggy in n900 |
| 08:53.31 | ieatlint | there is no app store/catalogue on the n950 right now |
| 08:53.44 | Venemo | Stskeeps, weird |
| 08:54.12 | tonberry_ | this is sad... & i am new to Meego |
| 08:54.27 | Venemo | tonberry_, umm, you talking MeeGo now or Harmattan? |
| 08:54.44 | Venemo | tonberry_, for MeeGo, there are tons of apps already, see in the #meego channel |
| 08:54.59 | tomma | is it possible to install local debfile using "application manager", i tried opening one (which should be working) using QDesktopService::openUrl and it started some application for installing but told that package is not valid |
| 08:55.02 | tonberry_ | Sry i mean Harmattan |
| 08:55.27 | tonberry_ | but i am new to Meego as well |
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| 08:55.43 | ieatlint | tomma: i'd stick to "dpkg -i <package.deb>" as root for now |
| 08:56.03 | MohammadAG | ieatlint, it hasn't even shipped yet |
| 08:57.03 | ieatlint | shipping is the shortest step though... seems to take ~24h worldwide once shipped |
| 08:58.03 | MohammadAG | waiting for it to ship since last Thursday though |
| 08:58.12 | MohammadAG | that's 8 days |
| 08:58.27 | ieatlint | i traded sexual favours to get mine expedited |
| 08:58.31 | Termana | MohammadAG, we will have to have some drinks when it finally comes. |
| 08:58.36 | Termana | I'm still waiting as well |
| 08:58.43 | Termana | ieatlint, I suspected as much! |
| 08:58.55 | mgedmin | waited 8 days from "Accepted to developer device program" to "A N950 is waiting for you" |
| 08:59.32 | mgedmin | then 4 days from ordering until it was shipped |
| 08:59.50 | ieatlint | i ordered mine tuesday last week... it shipped friday |
| 08:59.51 | MohammadAG | 12 days total, not too bad compared to me then :P |
| 08:59.54 | ieatlint | arrived monday |
| 09:00.01 | mgedmin | then less than one day until it arrived |
| 09:00.15 | ieatlint | i already had a launchpad membership though, and i kinda wonder if that helped |
| 09:00.22 | mgedmin | funnily I got two "A N950 is waiting for you" emails, spaced 3 days apart |
| 09:00.29 | mgedmin | the second after I'd already ordered the first one |
| 09:00.35 | mgedmin | I wonder if I missed an opportunity to get two :) |
| 09:00.43 | MohammadAG | yes, you did :P |
| 09:00.55 | ieatlint | i bet they'd have noticed |
| 09:00.58 | mgedmin | *nod* |
| 09:01.05 | ieatlint | and you'd have violated an agreement i think |
| 09:01.12 | mgedmin | maybe? dunno |
| 09:01.25 | mgedmin | there was something said about "you are limited to two devices" in one of the texts on a web page somewhere |
| 09:01.36 | mgedmin | but the order form had a quantity dropdown with values "None" and "1" only |
| 09:01.59 | MohammadAG | you can order None N950s? awesome |
| 09:02.20 | ieatlint | sounds like a plan |
| 09:02.21 | Termana | Yes, I'd like to order None Double beef and bacon burgers with None fries. |
| 09:02.44 | ieatlint | i'd like a Nun |
| 09:03.15 | Termana | *ahem* |
| 09:03.16 | Termana | moving on... |
| 09:03.18 | Termana | :p |
| 09:03.38 | ieatlint | ;) |
| 09:08.38 | tonberry_ | where u guys from, mind asking? |
| 09:09.04 | MohammadAG | Jerusalem, IL |
| 09:09.21 | MohammadAG | Termana's from 4chan |
| 09:09.57 | Termana | I come in peace |
| 09:11.30 | tonberry_ | lol |
| 09:11.52 | Venemo | :D |
| 09:12.07 | tonberry_ | N950 is 8MP.. not 12MP as rumor told |
| 09:12.22 | ieatlint | nobody from 4chan comes in peace |
| 09:12.37 | Mek | well, is the hardware 8MP or is it just the software? |
| 09:13.05 | MohammadAG | no, old N950 was 12MPs |
| 09:13.22 | mgedmin | there are different versions of the N950? |
| 09:13.25 | MohammadAG | old N950s were* even |
| 09:13.31 | tonberry_ | i not sure bout that... for all the dev kit is 8MP max |
| 09:13.40 | MohammadAG | yes, old versions had 64GBs of storage and 512MBs of RAM |
| 09:13.56 | mgedmin | oof |
| 09:14.04 | mgedmin | I'd rather have more RAM than larger storage |
| 09:14.11 | tonberry_ | perhaps it might come out another public n950 version with 12MP |
| 09:14.12 | MohammadAG | indeed ;) |
| 09:14.19 | MohammadAG | doubt it |
| 09:14.23 | tonberry_ | stringly agree to tht |
| 09:14.28 | tonberry_ | strongly* |
| 09:15.48 | tonberry_ | Nokia love to keep things from themselves... |
| 09:16.17 | tonberry_ | perhaps they have 2GB ram phone in their R&D dept |
| 09:17.00 | ieatlint | heh, if they do, it's running WP7 |
| 09:17.43 | tonberry_ | WP7... fail |
| 09:17.54 | Venemo | I suspect that they'll release an N950-alike phone in winter for business users... the qwerty is very attractive for many people. </fiction> |
| 09:18.41 | tonberry_ | yeah.. this N950 i holding now attracts chick when i went for lunch jz now |
| 09:19.59 | Stskeeps | i think the reason why n950 wasn't really produced is the lack of curved screen on it |
| 09:20.03 | Stskeeps | it blows the swipe concept a tad |
| 09:20.08 | Stskeeps | and adds to swipe mistakes |
| 09:20.31 | Termana | Stskeeps, couldn't they have just added a curved screen? |
| 09:20.35 | tomma | there is curved screen but is so deeb in case |
| 09:20.46 | Stskeeps | Termana: depending how late in process |
| 09:20.49 | tonberry_ | seriously, N950 still words well without curved screen |
| 09:20.54 | tonberry_ | works* |
| 09:21.07 | Stskeeps | depending on how fat fingers you have |
| 09:21.12 | tonberry_ | lol |
| 09:21.30 | tonberry_ | sounds bias |
| 09:23.08 | lardman | morning |
| 09:23.36 | lardman | well it's nice and shiny as iirc lcuk said yesterday |
| 09:23.50 | lardman | and even better it synced all my data across from the N900 via BT, which was nice |
| 09:24.16 | lardman | was about to start writing some iCal extraction code when he saw the BT option |
| 09:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: aegis-exec |
| 09:25.47 | Venemo | Stskeeps, rumour has it that operators didn't like the hinge |
| 09:26.20 | Stskeeps | i don't either, did you look at how exposed board is under it? |
| 09:26.58 | MohammadAG | N97 had the same hinge |
| 09:27.08 | MohammadAG | well, it was plastic on the N97 |
| 09:27.12 | ieatlint | e7 does too |
| 09:27.27 | MohammadAG | exposes boards? |
| 09:27.45 | lardman | took me a while to work out how to open the hinge |
| 09:27.56 | khertan | lardman> and even better it synced all my data across from the N900 via BT, which was nice <<< yep synced calendar, contact from n900 without problem |
| 09:27.57 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: look underneath the hinge |
| 09:28.11 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, it's dark in there |
| 09:28.35 | mgedmin | I can make out a ribbon cable for the LCD |
| 09:28.38 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I know what you meant, the N97 does the same |
| 09:28.43 | Stskeeps | it looks like it would be quite a nice place for water to come in :P |
| 09:28.46 | MohammadAG | was asking if the E7's the same |
| 09:29.01 | MohammadAG | Never dared to use the N97 with the kb open in rain |
| 09:29.25 | ieatlint | uh, it's like the n950... i can't say the board is literally exposed |
| 09:29.30 | khertan | it s seems that the n950 have more difficulties to get signal in low level coverred area |
| 09:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/122959/ |
| 09:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | and moo |
| 09:30.12 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, morning |
| 09:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | and immediately back to proper: |
| 09:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | TIME, CHARGER_STATE, CHARGER_TYPE, CHARGING_STATE, CHARGING_TIME, BATTERY_STATE, BATTERY_TEMP, LEVEL_NOW, LEVEL_PCT, CAPA_NOW, VOLT_NOW, BATTERY_CURRENT, BATTERY_AVG_CURRENT, COULOMB_COUNTER |
| 09:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 11:33:07, CONNECTED, USBWALL, STARTED, 148, LOW, 26, 0, 0, 0, 3745, -580, -580, -11 |
| 09:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm puzzled how it can get from 3.2V to 3.7V in 20s |
| 09:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway N950 recovers nicely and instantly from complete battery depletion |
| 09:43.15 | Kaadlajk | DocScrutinizer: what about aegis-exec? |
| 09:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | not aegis-su, aegis-exec killed my device |
| 09:44.30 | Kaadlajk | ah okay :-) |
| 09:44.38 | Kaadlajk | there is no aegis-su, right? |
| 09:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 09:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | err yes right |
| 09:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | no there is no |
| 09:45.38 | Kaadlajk | heh :P got it |
| 09:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI privileged Nokia employees and contractors can get a "better" firmware, with more tools and less restrictions |
| 09:48.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, hmm? |
| 09:48.21 | Venemo | srsly? |
| 09:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: ask frals |
| 09:48.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, why don't you ask for this "better" fw? you obviously need it for your kind of work |
| 09:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | "you could do echo 1 >foobar, but that will probably also kill *your* firmware version devices" OWTTE |
| 09:49.35 | Kaadlajk | i guess "better" on this case is newer |
| 09:49.49 | Kaadlajk | ah that one |
| 09:50.11 | MohammadAG | what's $foobar in this case? |
| 09:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/no-aegis-please |
| 09:50.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 09:50.54 | Mek | sure, nokia employess/subcontractors can download all the nightly builds they want |
| 09:51.24 | Mek | (although not all of the images will flash on a CE labelled device) |
| 09:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | what's that CE label all about? |
| 09:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'm EE and for me CE is a cert you self-issue to your hw |
| 09:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | obviously there have to be certain hw properties only found in CE labled devices nevertheless |
| 09:53.18 | Kaadlajk | can you run "/usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify" |
| 09:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | or is it just about the firmware flashed to them? |
| 09:53.29 | Mek | well, the CE labeled devices don't have the certificates installed that are required for some of the images |
| 09:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify --help |
| 09:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify: Could not read RD cert (-3) |
| 09:54.10 | achipa | it's a correlational issue - CE ones are the ones circulated, and the ones circulated usually lack RD certificates |
| 09:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | Mek: mille gracie :-D |
| 09:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | so we finally at least got to the iching point :-) |
| 09:56.14 | Kaadlajk | that echo 0 > /etc stuff wont work without RD cert |
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| 09:56.23 | Kaadlajk | so probably not a good idea to even try :P |
| 09:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | would Nokia die from deploying these R&D certs to early adopter developers on 950 ? |
| 09:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: thought as much, and even frals warned (see "quote" above) |
| 09:58.21 | Venemo | sorry, my crappy laptop froze again |
| 09:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I'm up to do serious *productive* low-level kernel tackling to give N9 USB hostmode - I don't like Nokia abusing me for a pentester for aegis |
| 09:59.42 | Venemo | achipa, how can I get an InfoBanner component in my QML app? it's in the QMLComp... example app, but I can't find any reference to it in the docs |
| 10:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | """*giggle* Let's see how long til he gives up on it, without the right certs""" - nasty! |
| 10:01.45 | Kaadlajk | those certs wont make aegis disappear |
| 10:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | I mean WTH is aegis protecting on these development N950? |
| 10:02.35 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 'complete exhaustion' - did you do more than just run to normal exhaustion? |
| 10:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | DRM in the director's cut of the next Spielberg movie that's shipped with the one-click-flasher? |
| 10:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 10:03.34 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the apps, maybe? |
| 10:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | or help the developer avoid rogue bash binaries? |
| 10:03.52 | Venemo | achipa, actually, half the components seen in QMLComp... are NOT mentioned in the docs at all... eg. CountBubble, InfoBanner, PageIndicator, etc, etc |
| 10:04.02 | frals | Venemo: infobanner is in com.meego.extras or com.nokia.extras or smth like that |
| 10:04.24 | frals | is spending the day fighting aegis <3 |
| 10:05.10 | achipa | Venemo: sadly, the docs lag deployment quite a bit |
| 10:05.18 | achipa | (esp on harmattan) |
| 10:05.36 | Venemo | achipa, I understand, but not even Qt Creator understands them |
| 10:06.03 | achipa | waitaminute |
| 10:06.46 | achipa | when you say 'seen in QMComp...'... where are you looking at ? :) |
| 10:07.24 | Venemo | achipa, I go to N950's app menu and click on the app called QMLComp... in that app, I can see various examples of the components |
| 10:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: makes no real sense to me, the apps are not "protected" as you can copy and disassemble them any time. They are just protected from a developer trying to do sth ""unusual"" with them, e.g. by attaching strace or whatnot (haven't tested how much protection from e.g. strace there really is) |
| 10:08.52 | Venemo | achipa, hmm... found them in com.meego.extras as frals suggested |
| 10:08.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, that part i wasn't sure about |
| 10:09.06 | achipa | Venemo: aah, well extras is extras |
| 10:09.08 | Stskeeps | hasn't been attached to harmattan programme and is still pretty happy about that |
| 10:09.20 | achipa | something that hasn't been standardized/decided upon |
| 10:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I sympathise |
| 10:10.10 | Venemo | achipa, now the only question remaining is how do I make the CountBubble look like a "Large Count Bubble" as seen in the examples? |
| 10:10.50 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: don't flash certs to device - that's an almost guaranteed trip to *real* brickendom |
| 10:11.25 | alterego | Nokia wired media headsets work nicely with the music player. |
| 10:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | notices he just had the first of the usually 3..5 60s duration moments of a day when he ponders to send back the N950 - with a notice "eat your aegis!" |
| 10:11.59 | alterego | I'm using the one I got with N8, the N95 and N96 ones work well too. :) |
| 10:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Find the JTAG for the flash, image it, problem solved. :) |
| 10:12.12 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: those certs are unrelated to aegis. Every nokia phone has them. |
| 10:12.27 | alterego | bbl |
| 10:12.38 | Venemo | alterego, nice... a pity that my N95's headset went nuts long ago... |
| 10:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: WUT? you tested multibutton? |
| 10:13.10 | achipa | Venemo: don't know much about extras, hardly ever used them :( |
| 10:13.38 | Venemo | achipa, this is why it would be good to have the source of those examples open |
| 10:13.47 | Stskeeps | Venemo: isn't it qml...? |
| 10:13.53 | Venemo | Stskeeps, I guess |
| 10:14.00 | Stskeeps | how more open source could it be? ;p |
| 10:14.00 | achipa | apt-get source ? |
| 10:14.03 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 10:14.16 | Venemo | Stskeeps, um, why do you say so? |
| 10:14.22 | Mek | it's qml, but the qml is in a qt resource in the binary (and partially compressed even I think) |
| 10:14.34 | Stskeeps | Mek: ah |
| 10:14.38 | Venemo | Stskeeps, my app also uses QML, but the qml files are in the resources |
| 10:14.42 | achipa | still, apt-get source should work |
| 10:14.44 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
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| 10:15.34 | Venemo | achipa, okay, what is the package name? |
| 10:15.51 | achipa | dpkg -l |grep exampl |
| 10:15.51 | lardman | alterego: is that the headset with the controls? |
| 10:15.52 | achipa | ? |
| 10:16.12 | Venemo | ok |
| 10:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: he's afk it seems |
| 10:16.26 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: np, I realise this is IRC ;) |
| 10:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | but aiui yes |
| 10:16.30 | achipa | qt-components-examples it seems |
| 10:16.33 | lardman | thanks though |
| 10:16.47 | lardman | cool, I bought one of those by accident, now I may be able to use it :) |
| 10:16.54 | Venemo | E: You must put some source URIs in your sources.list |
| 10:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | darn, I planned to do this since ~4 days, but my friend with the mb-headset isn't answering to my calls and mails |
| 10:17.36 | Mek | hopefully they are not too different from the examples in the qt-components git repository... (they at least seem to be similar) |
| 10:19.33 | lardman | I'm a little behind the times, is there a "New N950 dev" FAQ anywhere? |
| 10:19.37 | lardman | for example, Extras? |
| 10:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I bet the nokia-AV "driver" is closed again, so no revamping to get mb-headset support to N900 |
| 10:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: see /topic |
| 10:21.08 | lardman | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 10:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | but if there's a nice URL pointing to a "getting started for devels", I'd love to add it to the topic as well |
| 10:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | fires up a lsmod|grep AV |
| 10:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol! /dev/freefall |
| 10:26.43 | lardman | any thoughts on how to get the device to scan for other networks? |
| 10:26.49 | lardman | ah, just wait a while it seems |
| 10:30.38 | alterego | lardman: yes, play/pause, stop, forward, back and volume all work great :) |
| 10:30.56 | lardman | alterego: cool, thanks |
| 10:31.01 | alterego | Something I really missed in the N900 :) |
| 10:31.07 | Venemo | me too |
| 10:31.28 | lardman | hmm, trying to get uni connection up and running, but it keeps reconnecting to gprs |
| 10:31.36 | alterego | Not really liking the browser in Harmattan though. |
| 10:31.48 | lardman | it's quick which is good |
| 10:31.53 | lardman | quicker than on the N900 anyway |
| 10:32.13 | Venemo | very quick but lacking SSL |
| 10:32.21 | Venemo | try https://meego.com |
| 10:32.35 | alterego | It's okay for the basic things, and sure it's quick, but N900 browser still excels and I'm gonna be carrying it around with me tethered to the N950 |
| 10:32.36 | lardman | ah that may be why I can't connect to the uni network then |
| 10:32.38 | lardman | doh! |
| 10:32.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:33.09 | lardman | need to go to a registration page, etc |
| 10:34.31 | alterego | Other https services seem okay, that's very odd. Hopefully fixed in new image. |
| 10:34.59 | alterego | Gonna work on message importing this weekend, kinda want my old sms and ims |
| 10:35.51 | alterego | Also, I'm going to work on a more fremantle like sms/im app, don't really like these speech bubbles. :/ |
| 10:36.53 | Venemo | why don't you just make a new theme for it? |
| 10:37.52 | alterego | Venemo: if that is what it takes, then great :) |
| 10:38.04 | Venemo | I'm just assuming |
| 10:39.22 | Venemo | alterego, thanks for your help yesterday, it was really a head start to me |
| 10:39.25 | lardman | hmm, calendar looks to have crashed |
| 10:39.33 | alterego | Yeah, worth looking in to. |
| 10:42.30 | lardman | So, after reading Doc's page, are there any plans for a Harmattan Extras? I know there's still discussion about a Meego version, but as our packages are different anyway.... |
| 10:42.53 | Venemo | lardman, ask Jaffa or X-Fade |
| 10:43.13 | lardman | Jaffa: Any ideas? |
| 10:43.32 | lardman | What are people currently doing? Making their own repos or installing locally? |
| 10:44.00 | lcuk | lardman, meego apps meeting today |
| 10:44.07 | lardman | can barely remember how to make a repo, has been a long (and pleasant) time since that was needed |
| 10:44.24 | lardman | lcuk: in #meego-meeting? Do you know what time? |
| 10:44.50 | lcuk | 14:00 UTC http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule |
| 10:44.58 | Venemo | alterego, after I altered my QGraphicsScene and QGraphicsItem subclasses to be QDeclarativeItem subclasses, I could just add them to my QML code, which is very nice and fun :) |
| 10:45.14 | lardman | lcuk: thanks :) |
| 10:45.38 | Venemo | anyway, I need to leave now; will be back later |
| 10:45.40 | lcuk | \o |
| 10:49.38 | lardman | ponders some MAC spoofing so that he can register his N950 on the uni network without needing SSL |
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| 10:54.29 | lardman | ah, the wonders of eduroam :) |
| 10:54.59 | Jaffa | lardman: There is a plan for debs to go from COBS home packages to Apps-testing and then Apps |
| 10:55.07 | Jaffa | lardman: This would then feed into apps.meego.com |
| 10:55.13 | lardman | Jaffa: ah ok |
| 10:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: nice to hear they implemented mb-hs support to harmattan. I'd like to backport it to N900- just in case you (or anybody else) runs into the driver sources ;-) |
| 11:08.52 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yes, and MeeGo CE ;) |
| 11:09.05 | alterego | It's definitely on my list of mods/hacks to look into ;) |
| 11:09.41 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I was also wanting to work on a mod for the camera that allows you to use a wired or bt headset remote to take a photo, if I ever decide to make a tripod mount, or buy one, that would be cool :D |
| 11:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: indeed |
| 11:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | for a single button hs it's easy |
| 11:12.03 | SpeedEvil | voice would be good too |
| 11:12.07 | SpeedEvil | also smile |
| 11:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | you got a easy way to get a button click of the only button of such a headset |
| 11:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | what's lacking for such a nice thing (for now?) is any proper way to trigger a shot of camera app |
| 11:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | the detection of hs button is easy |
| 11:13.53 | alterego | Yeah |
| 11:14.18 | alterego | And I want it to be integrated into the stock camera app, not just a hack that takes the photo itself. |
| 11:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's the challenge |
| 11:14.46 | lardman | re smile detection I'd be interested to see if we can add any other detection features for autofocus purposes |
| 11:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | btw smile detection is a real mess and nuisance |
| 11:15.31 | lcuk | lardman, facial recognition is on the n950 |
| 11:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | on OMNIA cam it seems to detect teeth |
| 11:15.47 | lardman | lcuk: I know, I want barcode recognition too |
| 11:15.52 | lcuk | nods |
| 11:16.04 | lardman | s/want/want to implement |
| 11:16.05 | lcuk | I have been asking for that for years :P |
| 11:16.18 | lardman | well yeah but we've never had an open camera app |
| 11:16.21 | lcuk | it should detect barcodes and put them as items in the media timeline |
| 11:16.29 | lardman | nor do we now of course, but the meego version I'm thinking |
| 11:17.03 | Stskeeps | meego one has |
| 11:17.24 | lardman | Stskeeps: has? It's open you mean? |
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| 11:18.51 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 11:19.03 | lardman | meego-app-camera? |
| 11:19.41 | Stskeeps | for instance, we also have a meegocamera thing |
| 11:19.47 | lardman | Stskeeps: how functional is the N950 Meego image? Same level as the N900 one? |
| 11:20.00 | lcuk | faster I would imagine |
| 11:20.05 | lardman | Stskeeps: which would you recommend as a base for hacking on this? |
| 11:20.16 | lardman | camera app that is |
| 11:20.16 | Stskeeps | still some way to go. n900 image has had more work on it |
| 11:20.35 | Stskeeps | lardman: meegocamera by our guys |
| 11:20.40 | lcuk | lardman, open base would be beneficial in the longrun anyway and hopefully then the code can also grow with us |
| 11:20.42 | lardman | I'm guessing that it should build and run on harmattan? |
| 11:20.50 | Stskeeps | possibly |
| 11:20.59 | Stskeeps | qml based |
| 11:21.26 | lardman | Stskeeps: do you have an url, Google isn't finding it |
| 11:21.52 | Stskeeps | when home i will find it |
| 11:21.59 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 11:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | ok, now my frontcam has a post-it patch ;-) |
| 11:26.37 | laasonen | I'm trying to make qml button what can be longpressed. This works, but the button doesn't look like its being pressed: http://pastebin.com/Xkgxp6n7 Is there some easy way to fix it? |
| 11:27.28 | lardman | disables the double tap to unlock "feature" |
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| 11:30.57 | cpscotti | is baffled by how easy it was to get HARMATTAN's scratchbox up and running :DDDDD |
| 11:35.11 | mece | laasonen, put onPressed to make the change in looks, and onPressAndHold to make the action |
| 11:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: how's moslo coming along? |
| 11:35.34 | mece | laasonen, I installed sdk on Linux Mint 10 btw. |
| 11:35.48 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: some bug or something, we're investigating |
| 11:35.58 | Stskeeps | doesn't do the production software |
| 11:35.59 | mece | laasonen, followed these instructions: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually |
| 11:36.00 | mece | worked |
| 11:36.01 | Stskeeps | (flasher, etc) |
| 11:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: good to hear it's progressing |
| 11:36.28 | mece | lardman, what's wrong with doubletaptounlock? |
| 11:37.07 | lardman | mece: I keep unlocking it by accident |
| 11:38.37 | lardman | Stskeeps: I've found meego-de-camera, could that be the name of the code that was released to the public? |
| 11:38.50 | Stskeeps | lardman: hmm, might be |
| 11:39.17 | lardman | http://gitorious.org/meego-de-camera |
| 11:39.56 | Stskeeps | probably that then |
| 11:40.56 | lardman | cool, will grab a copy and do some hacking over the weekend then |
| 11:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | given the fact the camera trigger on touchscreen makes you spoil all your nightmode shots as device will shake, such a cable trigger based on headset button would be MAD useful indeed |
| 11:41.51 | lardman | could also add a time delay |
| 11:41.59 | lardman | as a quick and easy fix to the current code |
| 11:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | somebody mentioned that yesterday |
| 11:42.26 | lardman | ah sorry, had a busy day yesterday so wasn't paying attention |
| 11:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | I commented on it as a "feasible botch workaround" |
| 11:42.38 | lardman | lol |
| 11:42.54 | lardman | well some point & shoots have that for you to run round and get in frame ;) |
| 11:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a delay adjustable from 0.0, 0.1 .. 99.9 seconds was nice |
| 11:43.51 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the iphone has a virtual camera button too |
| 11:44.01 | lcuk | the biggest issue I had was holding phone upside down :P |
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| 11:44.23 | lcuk | hiya vgrade |
| 11:44.37 | vgrade | afternoon |
| 11:44.47 | vgrade | what goes on here then |
| 11:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | vgrade: THE party |
| 11:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | VIPs only :-P |
| 11:45.39 | vgrade | I'll get my coat |
| 11:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 11:45.50 | lardman | you've pulled already? |
| 11:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | offers post-it patches cut to size to fit on froncam lens |
| 11:47.11 | lardman | why? |
| 11:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | why not? ;-) |
| 11:47.30 | lardman | :) |
| 11:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | I get 'guests' on my device |
| 11:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | plus you dunno what actually is in that image ;-) |
| 11:49.19 | laasonen | mece: I was thinking about something like that, but how to change the looks according to theme? |
| 11:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | my laptop has no webcam, and if it had, it'd get a patch as well |
| 11:50.00 | lardman | oh I see now |
| 11:50.17 | lardman | but it's all yellow and out of focus |
| 11:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, see the notice I left for you? |
| 11:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, seen the "feedback" in drive app? weird! |
| 11:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | plus we *all* heard about cherry |
| 11:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | "do no evil" was Google's mantra, not Nokia's |
| 11:53.21 | lardman | interesting that one needs to sign into Ovi all round the place |
| 11:53.36 | lardman | and it doesn't tell you what you are signing into, you just have to guess |
| 11:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia obviously has the notion "it's *our* hardware and *our* OS, so how could we ever do anything 'evil'?" |
| 11:55.23 | lardman | does the swype direction do anything? |
| 11:55.28 | lardman | random aside |
| 11:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | for now not |
| 11:56.50 | mgedmin | I heard there was an option to make swipe down close the current app |
| 11:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | except for the 3 main screens are on a virtual vertical cylinder |
| 11:57.02 | mgedmin | it's not present in the firmware we have on our n950s |
| 11:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | so swiping to left gets you back to where you came from by swiping to right |
| 11:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: yes |
| 11:58.07 | alterego | The only special swipe is the half swipe from the bottom, in some applications and from the lock screen it shows a quick launcher. |
| 11:58.43 | lardman | ok, I noticed the circularity but was wondering if there was a skype I'd missed to close some apps |
| 11:58.53 | lardman | s/skype/swype |
| 11:59.08 | alterego | No, you have to close apps from the open apps grid. |
| 11:59.13 | mgedmin | the quick launcher baffles me |
| 11:59.18 | lardman | ok, glad it's not just me |
| 11:59.19 | alterego | And Swype is a registered tm for virtual keyboarding :P |
| 11:59.20 | mgedmin | it would be very useful *IF IT WORKED EVERYWHERE* |
| 11:59.33 | lardman | alterego: oh, I thought that was how they spelled it? |
| 11:59.34 | lcuk | isn't there a nokia bluetooth mind control thing |
| 11:59.49 | alterego | lardman: no, that's the input method overlay on top of some virtual keyboards. |
| 11:59.54 | alterego | That's why it's swipe.nokia.com :P |
| 11:59.55 | mgedmin | now to launch, e.g. camera, I have to examine the current device "mode" and plan accordingly |
| 12:00.01 | mgedmin | I wouldn't want to race with a n900 owner |
| 12:00.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:00.25 | lardman | alterego: ah, I was getting confused, thought Nokia had named their swipe in a special way too |
| 12:00.32 | lcuk | mgedmin, the camera slide is indeed an amazing thing |
| 12:01.20 | mgedmin | I kind of miss the integrated kickstand too |
| 12:01.30 | mgedmin | well, I would miss it if I had an e-book reader on the n950 |
| 12:01.31 | alterego | mgedmin: well, we've got the keyboard for that now :P |
| 12:01.37 | mgedmin | for now I'm still using my n900 for that |
| 12:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: camera slide? |
| 12:01.59 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the sliding cover to open camera app |
| 12:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | aaah on N900 |
| 12:02.19 | lcuk | as mgedmin said you have to swipe to screen to find the camera app to launch it |
| 12:02.25 | lcuk | on n900, you just open the camera doofer |
| 12:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:02.44 | mgedmin | I've only tried harmattan for one day |
| 12:02.54 | lcuk | ditto |
| 12:03.01 | mgedmin | so far it seems to me maemo 5 on a hardware as capable as the n950 would be ideal |
| 12:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if you can config the applauch shortcut or whatever it'S called |
| 12:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | quick launcher |
| 12:03.14 | mgedmin | althouh harmattan has some nicer things, such as the virtual keyboard |
| 12:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | for now that has camera on it |
| 12:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: my thoughts |
| 12:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | the N950 was a nice device IF it had a proper touchscreen and a UX that's less harmattanized |
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| 12:04.50 | mgedmin | well, I like the touchscreen |
| 12:05.18 | mgedmin | and I'm prepared to give the UX a chance -- bugs will get fixed, I'll get more used to the way things work here |
| 12:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | wait till you think of highlighting char sequences in text that are not word chunks |
| 12:05.40 | razvanpetru | Hi guys, why does "screen.allowedOrientations = Screen.Portrait" not lock the screen orientation? |
| 12:05.53 | mgedmin | text selection is a weak point of the UX |
| 12:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday I almost tried to pinch-zoom on my N900 ;-P |
| 12:07.21 | mgedmin | I've no idea how it would work on a N9 without a hardware kbd |
| 12:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: the concept immanent limitations of a capacitive touchscreen are exactly what makes for the weak points of harmattan |
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| 12:07.44 | mgedmin | not all of them, surely |
| 12:07.57 | razvanpetru | ios does text selection good, but cursor positioning is very difficult |
| 12:07.57 | mgedmin | app launcher not supporting landscape is irritation #2 for me right now |
| 12:08.06 | mgedmin | (no e-book reader is #1) |
| 12:08.13 | flux | I wonder if "almost ti85" will be usable in n9/n950. I always used the stylus with that. |
| 12:08.36 | mgedmin | I like the fancy little zoom lens you get when you tap-hold in Notes |
| 12:08.41 | mgedmin | it lets you position the cursor very accurately |
| 12:08.48 | mgedmin | what it doesn't let you do is select text |
| 12:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I think there's a "fix" for the applauncher landscape |
| 12:08.57 | razvanpetru | yes, for harmattan it's the other way around, position is very easy :) |
| 12:09.01 | mgedmin | yeah, I'll have to try it |
| 12:09.12 | mgedmin | I assume it's just a bug that'll get fixed before the final release |
| 12:09.28 | razvanpetru | doubt it, I think it's by design |
| 12:09.30 | mgedmin | there are a few more orientation bugs -- e.g. today the browser decided it didn't want to rotate when I opened the hardware keyboard |
| 12:09.33 | mgedmin | and remained in portrait mode |
| 12:09.47 | mgedmin | closing the kbd and rotating the device in various ways didn't change its little mind |
| 12:09.50 | razvanpetru | I think most major platforms show the menu in locked portrait. |
| 12:10.00 | mgedmin | opening the switcher and switching back to it fixed the situation |
| 12:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: had that |
| 12:10.34 | mgedmin | typing with the hardware kbd into a portrait app feels very funny |
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| 12:10.40 | flux | I have a feeling that hw-kbd-related bugs will not have a high priority :) |
| 12:10.55 | mgedmin | I suspect that's one of the reasons nokia doesn't want to sell n950 to real people: they'd have to fix lots of bugs like that |
| 12:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, and I'm always messing up the cursor keys, typing "up" to get the cursor to the left ;-P |
| 12:12.09 | lcuk | mgedmin, resolution variance is something else i wonder about |
| 12:12.19 | mgedmin | what's that? |
| 12:12.25 | lcuk | which if catered for, the ux could be used on various devices |
| 12:12.35 | lcuk | well i have 1024*600 tablet here |
| 12:12.45 | mgedmin | are you running harmattan on it? :) |
| 12:13.00 | razvanpetru | right, is QML even resolution independent? I have a feeling all units are pixels... |
| 12:13.05 | lcuk | the work to ensure apps are happy at 854*480 would be the same work as making sure it is happy on bigger screensize |
| 12:13.14 | lcuk | mgedmin, using it as an example |
| 12:13.21 | mgedmin | nods |
| 12:13.25 | lcuk | razvanpetru, indeed |
| 12:15.05 | razvanpetru | what's a good place to ask for harmattan QML help? :) |
| 12:16.42 | lardman | is not too keen on typing using the on-screen kb in portrait mode either though |
| 12:17.02 | lardman | very small buttons |
| 12:17.08 | alterego | razvanpetru: here is as good as any :P |
| 12:17.09 | lardman | though it's accurate enough |
| 12:17.11 | alterego | Or |
| 12:17.14 | alterego | #qt-qml .. |
| 12:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: a PITA |
| 12:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | esp entering passwords... REAL fun! :-/ |
| 12:18.32 | razvanpetru | yes, qt-qml is very helpful |
| 12:20.10 | razvanpetru | the components docs are really short now |
| 12:20.23 | razvanpetru | I've learned much more from the example apps |
| 12:20.27 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: yep, at least it has that visible for a moment stuff in the password fields |
| 12:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: yahoo on that - it's unbearable really |
| 12:21.54 | lardman | well that's the issue with a lack of a hw kb, not going to do anything for me |
| 12:22.18 | lardman | but apparently lots of people are quite happy without a kb, judging by the Android phoned, iPhone, etc |
| 12:22.29 | lardman | s/phoned/phones |
| 12:22.46 | lardman | anyone tried a BT kb with the device yet? That might be the only option with the N9 |
| 12:22.54 | lardman | (for me at least) |
| 12:23.34 | mgedmin | I've an apple BT keyboard collecting dust in a drawer |
| 12:23.53 | mgedmin | I can give it a try when I get back home, if I can scrounge up enough AA batteries |
| 12:24.11 | lardman | I've got one at home too, was just wondering off hand |
| 12:24.15 | mgedmin | isn't Bluetooth the worst technology ever? |
| 12:24.23 | mgedmin | worst = most unreliable |
| 12:24.27 | lardman | mine's a bini jobbie though, about as big as the N950 |
| 12:24.36 | lardman | s/bini/mini |
| 12:25.03 | lardman | should really clear his desk so he doesn't type as if he were playing a piano |
| 12:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 12:33.25 | lcuk | lardman, chording pianoesq keyboards exist :P |
| 12:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | should finally get the hoover and suck out all the debris from the laptop kbd |
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| 12:34.22 | lardman | lcuk: I was never very good at playing the piano as seen in my recent typing ;) |
| 12:34.35 | lcuk | your historical typing wasn't so good either :P |
| 12:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: can my laptop prepare me a breakfast from the stuff collecting under the keycaps? |
| 12:38.32 | lardman | lcuk: :p ! |
| 12:38.34 | lardman | lol |
| 12:39.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, for sure |
| 12:39.15 | lardman | urgh, finally finished writing an "Executive summary", painful distilling 54 pages into 1 |
| 12:39.24 | lcuk | heck, the n950 with its keyboard/screen thingy can actually act like a grilling machine |
| 12:39.38 | lcuk | just put a rasher of bacon ontto kb and lower/press the screen against it |
| 12:39.45 | lcuk | just gotta find an app to heat the cpu up |
| 12:39.54 | mgedmin | hey, can I input accented chars with the hw kbd? |
| 12:39.59 | mgedmin | I expected Sym+letter to produce something |
| 12:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: does this look any familiar to you? (the jump from 95% to 100%) |
| 12:40.06 | mgedmin | it didn't |
| 12:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 14:13:22, CONNECTED, USBWALL, STARTED, 1, OK, 25, 8, 95, 1151, 4193, -58, -58, -1182 |
| 12:40.10 | lcuk | like a panini machine |
| 12:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 14:13:37, CONNECTED, USBWALL, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 100, 1200, 4164, 9, 11, -1182 |
| 12:40.46 | rZr | mgedmin: did you test that BT apple kb on a maemo device ? mine was repeaaaaattting a bit too much |
| 12:40.47 | mgedmin | is curious about /usr/share/meegotouch/virtual-keyboard/layouts/hwkbcharloops.xml |
| 12:41.08 | mgedmin | rZr, the rrrrrrrrrrrrrepetitions used to happen very often with a n8x0 |
| 12:41.16 | mgedmin | I don't think I even bothered pairing it with a n900 |
| 12:41.20 | rZr | yes i did test on n810 too |
| 12:41.24 | mgedmin | (couldn't find batteries ;) |
| 12:41.40 | rZr | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=bt |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: HMMM BACON |
| 12:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | (bmedatalogger findings) also it obviously resets the coulomb-counter to 0 on complete depletion of battery |
| 12:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | so the 5th col from right is bme's notion about bat capacity now, while last col (coulomb-counter) seems to be a direct readout from some bq27x00 chip? |
| 12:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | not yet a picture without cracks and missing parts |
| 12:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's the other way round - last col is bme's guestimate while 5th from right is what the chip tells |
| 12:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | that would mean that chip has a design capacity for the cell of 1200mAh |
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| 12:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | and obviously a charge end current threshold of 50 some mA |
| 12:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | the first line in log, after starting bmedatalogger ~60s after plugging in the charger to completely depleted device, is like that: |
| 12:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | TIME, CHARGER_STATE, CHARGER_TYPE, CHARGING_STATE, CHARGING_TIME, BATTERY_STATE, BATTERY_TEMP, LEVEL_NOW, LEVEL_PCT, CAPA_NOW |
| 12:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | , VOLT_NOW, BATTERY_CURRENT, BATTERY_AVG_CURRENT, COULOMB_COUNTER |
| 12:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 11:33:07, CONNECTED, USBWALL, STARTED, 148, LOW, 26, 0, 0, 0, 3745, -580, -580, -11 |
| 12:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for the linewrap after CAPA_NOW |
| 12:53.46 | mgedmin | google knows practically nothing about hwkbcharloops.xml :( |
| 12:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | sounds odd anyway |
| 12:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | what are charloops? |
| 12:54.24 | mgedmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.36 | mgedmin | looks like a way to insert a with various accents |
| 12:54.44 | mgedmin | but I've no clue how to trigger this |
| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 12:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | kinda related to deadkeys |
| 12:54.56 | mgedmin | didn't the n900 accept Fn+Sym+letter? |
| 12:55.07 | mgedmin | where you would keep pressing the letter and it would loop through various accents? |
| 12:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | Fn+sym, accent, letter |
| 12:55.27 | mgedmin | that was different |
| 12:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | never tried that |
| 12:55.58 | mgedmin | ok, I was hallucinating |
| 12:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | maybe ;-D |
| 12:56.12 | mgedmin | fn+sym+letter does more or less the same as fn+letter |
| 12:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | due to hw matrix layout of the kbd, there are even 3-key combos that can not work on N900 |
| 12:57.24 | lcuk | really like the volume control Silent|Beep|Ringing thing :) |
| 12:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | would pretty much defeat the purpose of Fn+sym+letter |
| 12:59.09 | mgedmin | *nod* |
| 12:59.13 | mgedmin | just noticed that |
| 12:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | iirc ctrl+shift+j/k is one of those, though there are similar ones for other qualifier key combos like fn+ctl, fn+shift |
| 12:59.27 | mgedmin | one of those inserts two characters at once: () |
| 12:59.31 | mgedmin | others just insert spaces |
| 12:59.50 | mgedmin | hey, is fn+arrows = pgup/pgdown/home/end on a n950? |
| 13:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | I elaborated on it somewhere on wiki |
| 13:00.11 | mgedmin | looks like |
| 13:00.15 | mgedmin | url? |
| 13:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 13:00.28 | mgedmin | I don't even know if wiki is meego wiki or what |
| 13:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | N900? maemo wiki ;-) |
| 13:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard |
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| 13:04.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's typical that capcity is set to full at taper_current |
| 13:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 13:05.14 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: And if it's been charged from 'empty' - it's recorded as the last capacity |
| 13:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 13:17.40 | Venemo | hey again |
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| 13:21.51 | mgedmin | can I has avahi-daemon for the n950? |
| 13:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | kicks mgedmin |
| 13:22.20 | mgedmin | ow! |
| 13:23.45 | NIN101 | can I have systemd for the n950? :P |
| 13:32.46 | mgedmin | n950 can't connect to wifi, why? |
| 13:33.17 | mgedmin | the n900 has no problems |
| 13:34.26 | mgedmin | grr no dmesg, need root to read syslog, no sudo, long password, hate life |
| 13:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf |
| 13:35.44 | dm8tbr | o.O |
| 13:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | now PRETTY PLEASE also push the schematics! |
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| 13:38.22 | Venemo | I want this embarassing redraw issue fixed |
| 13:38.31 | Stskeeps | which, the clock one? |
| 13:38.52 | Venemo | no, the one that occours when I activate landscape mode for the home screens |
| 13:39.09 | mgedmin | is running 'reboot' in devel-su a good idea, or should I hold the power button instead? |
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| 13:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | try and tell us ;-) |
| 13:40.30 | Venemo | Stskeeps, doesn't Harmattan run meegotouchhome? |
| 13:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I did a powerbutton "reboot" while connected to charger, and my ssh remote session via WLAN happily lived on |
| 13:40.40 | Stskeeps | it does, but with plugins, i think |
| 13:41.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm astonished by how rarely these things get technically proofread. |
| 13:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: which clearly indicates powerbutton only is switching to a new runlevel |
| 13:41.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: page 8, paragraph 5 |
| 13:41.39 | Venemo | Stskeeps, is this bug present in MeeGo CE's meegotouchhome? |
| 13:41.45 | Stskeeps | Venemo: not sure |
| 13:41.46 | mgedmin | that's not too surprising, the n900 didn't shut down/reboot when you had it plugged in either |
| 13:41.48 | Stskeeps | don't think so |
| 13:41.53 | mgedmin | bme needs to babysit the battery |
| 13:41.57 | Venemo | Stskeeps, how is that possible? |
| 13:42.06 | Stskeeps | Venemo: plugins determine behaviour |
| 13:42.12 | mgedmin | I'm seeing weirdish icd2/conndlgs errors in syslog and my wifi won't work |
| 13:42.41 | Venemo | Stskeeps, so the app grid itself is a plugin too? |
| 13:42.50 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 13:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: generic foo obviously |
| 13:43.15 | Venemo | Stskeeps, and I bet that all these plugins are closed... |
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| 13:48.32 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't look too bad to dissasemble. |
| 13:51.47 | mgedmin | I want vim! |
| 13:56.48 | khertan | does it safe to use n900 wall charger with n950 ? |
| 13:56.51 | khertan | same power ? |
| 13:56.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:57.01 | SpeedEvil | It's all 5V |
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| 13:57.19 | khertan | thx SpeedEvil |
| 13:57.38 | khertan | so standart usb 5v |
| 13:57.44 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:58.02 | SpeedEvil | At least for the n900, it's a bit flexible, it can probably go up to 6.5 and down to 4.2 and still 'work' |
| 13:58.08 | SpeedEvil | (I don't remember the exact limits) |
| 13:58.24 | SpeedEvil | I do recall that it's unfortunate it can't quite run directly off a Li-ion battery. |
| 13:58.32 | SpeedEvil | Which would be awesome. |
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| 13:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: yes, I elaborated on it yesterday - I'm using N900 wallcharger all the time |
| 14:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | ok, now up for the non-standard USBcharger case... |
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| 14:02.43 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 16:03:30, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 97, 1166, 4118, 14, 67, -1158 |
| 14:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's eating power from USB, and it has screen lit up |
| 14:04.58 | SpeedEvil | is that eating 97mA from the USB |
| 14:05.00 | SpeedEvil | or battery |
| 14:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | I gather from battery |
| 14:05.31 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | says "Not charging! insufficient power" OWTTE |
| 14:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | in a notifier |
| 14:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | after clicking away the "mas storage | SDK | again_forgot_what" requester |
| 14:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | ok now screen's blank |
| 14:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | not eating any more noticeable amounts of power from USB |
| 14:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 16:06:30, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 97, 1165, 4135, -1, 7, -1157 |
| 14:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 16:06:45, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 100, 1200, 4123, 9, 19, -1157 |
| 14:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | USB100MA is the interesting bit though |
| 14:09.07 | SpeedEvil | Ideed. |
| 14:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | as opposed to USBWALL |
| 14:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | note it will probably still recharge once the recharge threshold is reached |
| 14:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | right ATM it's "FULL" |
| 14:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | my custom wallwart charger indicates currents of maybe >40mA |
| 14:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | so I can't tell if it is currently providing some 10 or 15 |
| 14:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to revamp the charger with a proper mA-meter |
| 14:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | rather than that dual color LED |
| 14:14.12 | khertan | achipa, hi, did you know if there is a list of theme icon in harmattan that can be use in harmattan qml components ? |
| 14:14.22 | khertan | lol ... i leave just before i post my question ;Ã ) |
| 14:14.24 | flux | docscrutinizer, you should build a serial interface into it :) |
| 14:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | nah, WLAN |
| 14:15.01 | flux | actually bluetooth-interface would be equally simple, given the existing bt modules |
| 14:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | PowerOverWLAN - the future of charging |
| 14:15.15 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, we call that a microwave oven |
| 14:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 14:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, exactly meets the specs |
| 14:15.42 | flux | khertan, so, we have the energy sending part covered.. how about actually charging the battery with it?-) |
| 14:16.07 | mgedmin | so, root can't create files in /home/user? |
| 14:16.10 | khertan | flux, it s already exist ... just that it s not unidirectionnal ... |
| 14:16.16 | mgedmin | is this the infamous aegis I'm meeting for the first time? |
| 14:16.23 | javispedro | mgedmin: yes |
| 14:16.26 | javispedro | mgedmin: develsh |
| 14:16.27 | mgedmin | nice |
| 14:16.30 | khertan | flux, and potentially not useable as you will kill other components ;) |
| 14:16.34 | khertan | and humans :) |
| 14:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, for now bat charge goes down as usual: |
| 14:16.37 | mgedmin | what does that do? |
| 14:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 16:15:15, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 98, 1178, 4118, 9, 15, -1155 |
| 14:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 16:15:30, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 97, 1175, 4123, 8, 11, -1155 |
| 14:16.50 | khertan | operationnal amplificator didn't like micro wave :) |
| 14:16.54 | javispedro | mgedmin: no idea, but from the shell it spawns you are "more root" than from sshd's root. |
| 14:17.03 | javispedro | still not full root though. |
| 14:17.04 | mgedmin | oook |
| 14:17.18 | khertan | oook ? root isn't root ? |
| 14:17.27 | javispedro | I've not yet been able to run unsigned binaries from root. |
| 14:17.43 | javispedro | I have some ideas about inserting signatures the same way dpkg does though. |
| 14:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hey welcome :-D |
| 14:18.07 | javispedro | still, I don't really need running stuff as root. |
| 14:18.13 | khertan | javispedro, using a launcher packaged ? |
| 14:18.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: /me raises white flag. |
| 14:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | the gods of maemo will forgive your betrayal |
| 14:18.53 | khertan | use python hiscode.py ... <-- no problem :) |
| 14:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I'm running bmedatalogger >foo.txt; in ~root, and it just works |
| 14:21.35 | javispedro | uh? |
| 14:21.54 | javispedro | bmetadalogger is a binary or a shellscript¿ |
| 14:21.59 | javispedro | s/¿/?/ |
| 14:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | I guess a binary |
| 14:22.14 | khertan | /usr/share/icons ... have few icons ... where are stored other icon ? |
| 14:22.19 | javispedro | as root? and it works? what did you do? =) |
| 14:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# less `which bmedatalogger` |
| 14:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | "/usr/bin/bmedatalogger" may be a binary file. See it anyway? |
| 14:22.48 | javispedro | you installed it via dpkg? |
| 14:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | I did nuttin |
| 14:23.00 | Stskeeps | developer mode enabled? |
| 14:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | suuure |
| 14:23.32 | javispedro | sorry, you said you installed it via dpkg? |
| 14:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: bmedatalogger comes OOTB |
| 14:23.36 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaah |
| 14:23.38 | javispedro | so it is signed. |
| 14:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | still it creates files in ~root |
| 14:24.18 | javispedro | yes, no problem with that |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if any non-signed binary, if you get it to run, can do the same |
| 14:24.48 | javispedro | the issue is creating files as root inside /home/user |
| 14:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | <3 Aegis - - - NOT! |
| 14:24.54 | javispedro | as "root level #1" |
| 14:25.07 | javispedro | after develsh you enter "root level #2" or sth and then you can. |
| 14:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 14:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, as we don't have separate fs for ~user and ~root anymore, there's no real need for doing that usually, but still |
| 14:30.28 | javispedro | oh. |
| 14:30.35 | javispedro | googling for develsh in google found something interesting |
| 14:30.40 | alterego | I retract my earlier statement of the wired headset remotes working perfectly, the forward button implementation seems some what buggy, but I don't think it's the button, because it apparently seems to effect the actual music players forward button too .. |
| 14:30.51 | javispedro | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/index.php?title=Special:PdfPrint&page=Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Activating_developer_mode& |
| 14:31.15 | javispedro | stupid google linking to wiki2pdf. |
| 14:31.18 | alterego | So it's probably not related |
| 14:31.20 | *** join/#harmattan GeneralAntilles (~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles) |
| 14:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | I hate everyone in this room. |
| 14:31.37 | javispedro | hides |
| 14:31.58 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: the feeling is mutual :P |
| 14:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: just ping me when harmattan loggin is established, so I can add it to topic |
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| 14:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | welcome GeneralAntilles :-) |
| 14:33.59 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: \o |
| 14:34.11 | lardman | KDE is really quite crap, back to Gnome it is |
| 14:34.18 | Venemo | frals, could you ask your colleague who works on meegotouchhome to please fix that redraw bug? |
| 14:34.22 | lardman | sorry for the random aside |
| 14:34.46 | khertan | the redraw bug ? |
| 14:35.31 | Venemo | khertan, disable the orientation lock and see what happens when the app grid rotates to landscape |
| 14:35.58 | alterego | What was the "N950" codename? |
| 14:36.09 | khertan | what did you name orientation lock ? |
| 14:36.19 | alterego | lannku is the N9 isn't it? Or is that the N950? |
| 14:36.22 | khertan | alterego, rm-680 |
| 14:36.31 | khertan | no name on device :) |
| 14:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | lannku (or whatever) is N9 afaik |
| 14:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if 950 got a nickname at all |
| 14:37.28 | khertan | devkit ;) |
| 14:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:39.09 | Mek | lannku = N9, I think N950 = dali or something like that |
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| 14:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | has a great idea fro an app: Nokia -> english, english -> Nokia dictionary |
| 14:40.11 | Venemo | khertan, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 |
| 14:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | is there a meaning of lystii, lannku, dali? |
| 14:41.15 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ |
| 14:41.26 | Mek | lankku == plank/board or something like that |
| 14:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | or are those just 'names', unlike rapuyama which is "lobster" afaik |
| 14:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: thanks |
| 14:41.41 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:42.24 | *** topic/#harmattan by DocScrutinizer -> a cozy little place for pure harmattan device discussions | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing discuss in #meego-arm please | chanlogs: see ~logs , http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 |
| 14:42.33 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:44.16 | *** mode/#harmattan [+v povbot`] by ChanServ |
| 14:44.43 | javispedro | is happy |
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| 14:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: will powbot autojoin when kicked? |
| 14:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | povbot* |
| 14:47.13 | javispedro | heh, zehjotkah is running fennec on n950 seemingly. |
| 14:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | zehjotkah is doind some amazing things |
| 14:47.39 | javispedro | had an evil idea the other, after seeing that microb seemingly has something about "microbQt" |
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| 14:48.44 | thebootroo | hello i have a problem |
| 14:48.51 | thebootroo | qml sucks |
| 14:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: could you test if povbot` gets auto-voiced on join, please? |
| 14:49.16 | Venemo | thebootroo, that is not true |
| 14:49.20 | Venemo | thebootroo, what's wrong? |
| 14:49.33 | thebootroo | i have made a wonderfull UI in Qwidget for maemo5 and now i want to make it run under harmattan but qml does nt give me the same level of support |
| 14:49.39 | thebootroo | Venemo: that is |
| 14:50.03 | thebootroo | Venemo: i cant even design UI using qtcreator : it show a blank 50x50 rectangle |
| 14:50.26 | thebootroo | and i can't test the app on myy computer, the ui made is only runnable on harmattan |
| 14:50.30 | cpscotti | thebootroo, well.. there's always this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarative-tutorials-extending-chapter1-basics.html |
| 14:50.34 | Venemo | thebootroo, by coding QML by hand, I was able to replace the QWidget-based GUI of one of my apps under a say |
| 14:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | oooh povbot isn't registered |
| 14:51.02 | thebootroo | the app i made use to run under win7, ubuntu, maemo5 and symbian with the SAME code |
| 14:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | nah, can't be, it got a cloak |
| 14:51.22 | thebootroo | Venemo: maybe you are not as exigent as i am |
| 14:51.25 | Venemo | thebootroo, read http://achipa.blogspot.com/2011/07/qt-components-story-of-ugly-qwidgetling.html |
| 14:51.46 | lcuk | thebootroo, what is your app? |
| 14:52.20 | cpscotti | Venemo, heheh I was looking for that link.. totally righteous blot post |
| 14:52.26 | thebootroo | Venemo: i can't just extend qml because it would mean recreate all the classes i've made in qwidget (a full set) and rethink the UI concepts qml which doesn't allow layouting, sizepolicies ...et c |
| 14:52.37 | javispedro | Venemo: so, you can get the open meegotouchhome in harmattan by replacing SwipeDesktopView with "DesktopView" in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/meegotouchhome.conf" |
| 14:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: you might want to /ns group povbot` |
| 14:52.43 | *** join/#harmattan chouchoune (~arnaud@chouchoune.fr) |
| 14:52.51 | javispedro | Venemo: but it looks very ugly and in fact I don't know how to hit launcher. |
| 14:53.01 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, you're asking me advanced IRC questions about things I've no clue about |
| 14:53.08 | javispedro | probably missing theme files |
| 14:53.08 | Venemo | javispedro, hmm... |
| 14:53.09 | thebootroo | Venemo: i've read this blog and totally disagree : i didn't need more than 3 or 4 single #defines to make my app fully portable |
| 14:53.17 | Venemo | thebootroo, oooh, it does allow all that. you just need to read a doc |
| 14:53.18 | cpscotti | ~logs |
| 14:53.18 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 14:54.00 | mgedmin | povbot is more or less stock supybot with the ChannelLogger plugin enabled |
| 14:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: please make povbot issue the command >> /msg nickserv group << |
| 14:54.07 | thebootroo | Venemo: from the doc : 'qml don't matter about any kind of size control' |
| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: [Notice] -NickServ- povbot` is not registered. |
| 14:54.10 | thebootroo | which is bad |
| 14:54.13 | mgedmin | and I don't think it'll respect the "no logs of messages starting with a space" rule |
| 14:54.22 | Venemo | thebootroo, but QML Components can |
| 14:54.33 | Venemo | thebootroo, eg. there is the anchor component which can do what you want |
| 14:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I can't add povbot` to channel's access list to autovoice it |
| 14:54.43 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer what does that nickserv group thing do? |
| 14:54.54 | javispedro | why it needs voice? |
| 14:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | it associates the nick povbot` to supybot's account |
| 14:55.15 | thebootroo | Venemo: i won't use components since it don't run on all plateforms its too specifical |
| 14:55.27 | Venemo | thebootroo, that is why I recommend reading that blog |
| 14:55.29 | mgedmin | what "supybot's account"? |
| 14:55.34 | thebootroo | Venemo: i read it |
| 14:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: for convenience reasons, so the bots show up on top of userlist in enabled clients |
| 14:55.50 | thebootroo | Venemo: but i don't want to create 6 differents ui |
| 14:55.58 | Venemo | it's not hard |
| 14:56.01 | thebootroo | Venemo: when the aim is to have the same look |
| 14:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on supybot (account supybot): |
| 14:56.03 | lcuk | thebootroo, what is your app? |
| 14:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Mar 27 22:06:47 2003 (8 years, 15 weeks, 6 days, 16:45:18 ago) |
| 14:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 16:52:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~supybot@www522.hostpc.com |
| 14:56.14 | thebootroo | Venemo: it is, my apps are not simple hello world |
| 14:56.18 | javispedro | (more like unconvenience reasons, because I now always have those top fixed items in the user list) |
| 14:56.21 | thebootroo | Venemo: its a waste of time |
| 14:56.52 | GeneralAntilles | thebootroo, your application shouldn't have the same look across all platforms. |
| 14:56.57 | GeneralAntilles | That's just wrong. |
| 14:57.06 | thebootroo | i need to port my own classes but i'm not sure creating custome QDeclarativeitem will ever give me the same level of UI cohesion i use to have in QWidget/QGRaphicsTIem |
| 14:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | /whois povbot |
| 14:57.14 | Venemo | thebootroo, it takes a LOT less to code it than to code QWidgets GUIs. at the end you spend barely more time. in return, you get a nice GUI for every platform |
| 14:57.18 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, if I design a website, it looks the same everywhere |
| 14:57.22 | lcuk | same with flash things |
| 14:57.31 | Venemo | thebootroo, QDeclarativeItem *IS* a QGraphicsItem |
| 14:57.32 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I've no idea how to tell povbot how to issue messages to nickserv! |
| 14:57.34 | lcuk | actually making things look totally different is not always desired |
| 14:57.35 | thebootroo | Venemo: false |
| 14:57.43 | mgedmin | I find supybot very user-unfriendly |
| 14:57.49 | *** join/#harmattan GAN900 (~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles) |
| 14:58.02 | thebootroo | Venemo: qml syntax is hyper heavy, overall is i need to multiply by 6 the number of files |
| 14:58.02 | lcuk | but integration with components is of course positive |
| 14:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, a website is not an application. |
| 14:58.16 | Stskeeps | pp |
| 14:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: /msg nickserv help group |
| 14:58.21 | Venemo | thebootroo, ever read a .ui file? compare with that... |
| 14:58.21 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, HTML5 |
| 14:58.22 | mgedmin | did that |
| 14:58.40 | thebootroo | Venemo: and i find the json-like syntax totally unreadable and hard to browse throught in file more than 50 lines |
| 14:58.41 | mgedmin | you'd like me to group povbot with my own nickserv account? |
| 14:58.41 | lcuk | tell that to google yahoo microsoft nokia even (WRT etc) |
| 14:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, I'm not playing this game this morning. I, personally, think it's a better plan to integrate closely with the look and feel of the platform you're deploying to. |
| 14:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise you're stepping all over its UI conventions |
| 14:58.59 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, of course |
| 14:59.00 | Venemo | thebootroo, the sooner you get used to it the better |
| 14:59.07 | lardman | did I miss the #meego-meeting? |
| 14:59.08 | thebootroo | GeneralAntilles: not same colors but same behavior, and my custom classes handles the theme changing very well |
| 14:59.09 | GeneralAntilles | and that's neither good nor desirable. |
| 14:59.14 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: but QML does wonders for stepping over UI conventons! |
| 14:59.18 | mgedmin | I could tell povbot to change its nick to xxxtempxxx, change _my_ nick to povbot, issue the nickserv group thing, then change my nick back and change povbot back to povbot |
| 14:59.22 | lcuk | no lardman |
| 14:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I'd like povbot to register with nickserv |
| 14:59.24 | mgedmin | is that what you'd like me to do? |
| 14:59.27 | lcuk | i did not see the meeting |
| 14:59.34 | lardman | lcuk: nor me |
| 14:59.36 | lardman | nm |
| 14:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: it's not a big thing |
| 14:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: but nice to have |
| 14:59.46 | mgedmin | or maybe there's a nickserv feature/plugin for supybot? |
| 14:59.58 | mgedmin | "13 Sep 2008 â You can make Supybot identify itself to the network NickServ after it has connected" says google |
| 15:00.14 | javispedro | was googling the same =) |
| 15:00.18 | thebootroo | Venemo: why do i need to get used to something i don't like because it don't get the level i need to dev my apps ? qml is just good for small gadgets not 8 or 10 pages apps full of layouts and complex wigtes |
| 15:00.47 | Venemo | thebootroo, disagreed |
| 15:00.53 | lcuk | wonders why angry birds does not use UI themes |
| 15:00.55 | thebootroo | Venemo: prove it |
| 15:01.01 | lcuk | or any game for that matter :P |
| 15:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I don't mind if you group the povbot name to whatever account you like |
| 15:01.18 | lcuk | thebootroo, for the third time, what is your app? |
| 15:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | you just need to have the credetials of that account ;-) |
| 15:01.25 | Venemo | thebootroo, first, I did port my QGV-based app just by altering my stuff to derive from QDeclarativeItem. |
| 15:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | if supybot account isn't *your* account then probably you won't group povbot to supybot |
| 15:02.10 | mgedmin | no, supybot is most definitely not *my* account |
| 15:02.14 | Venemo | thebootroo, then I added this to some QML I wrote in a couple of hours and then I wired it up with some minimal code |
| 15:02.20 | thebootroo | Venemo: how you make QDeclarativeItem support layouting, sizepolicy and proper styling (without pixmaps) |
| 15:02.23 | GAN900 | lcuk, games are a separate issue. :) |
| 15:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so group povbot to mgedmin account I suggest |
| 15:02.57 | lcuk | GAN900, games are apps |
| 15:03.04 | mgedmin | does that also mean I'll have to configure supybot so that it can identify with nickserv? |
| 15:03.09 | GAN900 | lcuk, semantics. |
| 15:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:03.14 | javispedro | games have traditionally defined their own look and feel. |
| 15:03.18 | mgedmin | aaaaugh |
| 15:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | aah nevermind then |
| 15:03.37 | javispedro | mgedmin: that seems relatively easy: https://gitorious.org/supybot/supybot/blobs/d78f7b6ac556293739f7334a56bd5b9f67742516/plugins/Services/config.py |
| 15:04.08 | mgedmin | I'd have preferred a blog post with a HOWTO |
| 15:04.16 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, having the bot voiced hasn't been needed in any other channel? |
| 15:04.18 | javispedro | but either way I don't know why do all of this, this would be the first channel I've joined to that has voiced bots =) |
| 15:04.18 | Venemo | thebootroo, the components take care of that afaik... dunno. I'lI share with you my code when I'm finished. (this app is probably a lot simpler than yours, I chose to port it first because it's one of my simplest) |
| 15:04.21 | lcuk | why now |
| 15:04.25 | thebootroo | Venemo: my apps need proper layouting, not complex parent.height - 10 + me.height / 2 + icon.height ...etc |
| 15:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's just when it doesn't register, any rogue user can snatch the nick and pretend he's povbot |
| 15:04.41 | lcuk | same has been true for years then |
| 15:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | and I can't addpovbot to can access list to give it auto-voice |
| 15:04.52 | mgedmin | can the notional rogue do any damage that way? |
| 15:04.58 | Venemo | thebootroo, mine didn't exactly need it, but if you entrust the proper QML components to do their job, they can do it well |
| 15:05.03 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, povbot listens, he does not need voice :P |
| 15:05.13 | thebootroo | Venemo: i have at least 7 differents apps to port, all based on my own set of qwidgets, that i was rewriting in qgraphicsItem, before the announce of n950 not supporting them |
| 15:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: it's not needed, it's just a convenience thing |
| 15:05.21 | javispedro | Venemo: thebootroo: also, aren't there QML layouts too, like Grid? |
| 15:05.25 | lcuk | for what? povbot is in many maemo/meego channels |
| 15:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: some sort of highlight |
| 15:05.34 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I will happily follow a HOWTO that I can understand |
| 15:05.37 | Venemo | javispedro, yes. |
| 15:05.48 | mgedmin | giving me the git source view of a supybot plugin I don't know if I have or not is not a HOWTO |
| 15:06.03 | javispedro | =) |
| 15:06.08 | thebootroo | javispedro: QML layouts sucks, problems with spacing and not way to equally distribute the parent size, it only puts elements side by side |
| 15:06.26 | javispedro | thinks Qt layouts suck, but that's another story.. |
| 15:06.30 | Venemo | thebootroo, that is untrue |
| 15:06.32 | lcuk | Venemo, do you knkow what thebootroo's app is, I asked a few times but he didn't answer |
| 15:06.40 | Venemo | lcuk, no I do not know. |
| 15:06.56 | Venemo | lcuk, but it must be very complicated seeing the way he talks about it |
| 15:07.03 | lcuk | nods |
| 15:07.08 | thebootroo | javispedro: qlayout can be easily subclassed to do wonderfull layouts, like i did (carrousels, smart spaced grids, flow layouts...° |
| 15:07.11 | fiferboy | thebootroo: QML anchor layouts are really easy and really powerful, as long as your widget knows what size it should be |
| 15:07.24 | fiferboy | anchor layout margins make spacing equally easy |
| 15:07.50 | lcuk | speaking of grids and stuff, is it possible to do the grid reordering thing that is on harmattan app grid easily? |
| 15:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: howto: remove povbot so the nick is free, you do /nick povbot, you do /msg nickserv group (assuming you are already registered to nickserv), you do /nick mgedmin, you make povbot join in again and send /msg nickserv ID MySecretPasswordForMgedminAccount |
| 15:08.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: but povbot needs to authenticate to services and that's the hard part seemingly. |
| 15:08.29 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: the last step is the kicker -- how do I make supybot do that nickserv thing? |
| 15:08.31 | thebootroo | fiferboy: anchors sucks because it needs to know who is the previous widget to position against it |
| 15:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: [2011-07-15 17:03:37] <javispedro> mgedmin: that seems relatively easy: https://gitorious.org/supybot/supybot/blobs/d78f7b6ac556293739f7334a56bd5b9f67742516/plugins/Services/config.py |
| 15:09.13 | javispedro | (note: I never used supybot =) ) |
| 15:09.18 | mgedmin | dpkg -L supybot|grep Services -> I at least have the plugin |
| 15:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 15:09.38 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: <mgedmin> giving me the git source view of a supybot plugin I don't know if I have or not is not a HOWTO |
| 15:09.45 | thebootroo | lcuk: some of my apps : google reader client (full client, not just read a list of news), movies manager and info retriever, spotify client with auto orientation, big text documents reader with infinite scrolling.... |
| 15:09.47 | mgedmin | well, now I know that I have the plugin |
| 15:09.58 | mgedmin | but the process of enabling a plugin in supybot is lost in the fog of memory |
| 15:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: fair enough |
| 15:10.06 | mgedmin | I remember that it involves much cursing |
| 15:10.21 | fiferboy | thebootroo: Hmm, maybe anchors suck for a very specific kind of interface with lots of programatically generated elements (although I would think you could programatically anchor them without issue) but not for most interfaces |
| 15:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: it's not mandatory for channel maintenance, but for your bot it was a really nice-to-have so it knows nobody else can impersonate it |
| 15:11.57 | mgedmin | I am inclined to do what you ask me to do |
| 15:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: so I'd appreciate it when you get it sorted, but it's definitely not mandatory |
| 15:12.09 | mgedmin | I'm merely having slight technical difficulties figuring it out |
| 15:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 17:13:07] [Whois] MeeGoBot ist angemeldet als _MeeGoBot_. |
| 15:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-15 17:13:20] [Whois] infobot ist angemeldet als apt. |
| 15:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | povbot.... <void> |
| 15:13.41 | povbot | DocScrutinizer: Error: "<void>" is not a valid command. |
| 15:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:14.15 | javispedro | and that's why it doesn't need voice =) |
| 15:14.18 | javispedro | just let it log. |
| 15:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | unregistered bots have a bit of a suspicious flair |
| 15:15.06 | javispedro | btw, what does the meegobot do? |
| 15:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | tomorrow mr random hacker might decide to run another bot with nick povbot and we wouldn't even notice |
| 15:15.35 | javispedro | evil mr hacker would manage to see all of our miscelaneuous ramblings! |
| 15:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: replies to bug #1 |
| 15:15.40 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot |
| 15:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | I heard |
| 15:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no, evil Mr hacker would kill original povbot |
| 15:16.39 | Venemo | fiferboy, agreed |
| 15:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | and thus logging |
| 15:16.51 | javispedro | seems that meegobot is another instance of supybot |
| 15:17.01 | javispedro | MeeGoBot.... <void> |
| 15:17.08 | javispedro | hm... or no. |
| 15:17.30 | javispedro | ah, it's mozbot. |
| 15:18.18 | mgedmin | can type Lithuanian on his n950 after one day of experiments |
| 15:18.32 | mgedmin | couldn't do that on his n900 after how many years now? |
| 15:18.47 | javispedro | I can't type {} on my N950's vkb |
| 15:18.51 | Venemo | mgedmin, you remapped the hw kbd |
| 15:19.00 | mgedmin | both hw and vkb |
| 15:19.10 | mgedmin | here's what I did: http://pastie.org/2218247 |
| 15:19.18 | Venemo | mgedmin, how did you do that? I want to input öüóÅúéáűà |
| 15:19.32 | javispedro | Venemo: on vkb hold "o" |
| 15:19.49 | Venemo | javispedro, I can input it with vkb by just choosing Hungarian as the input method |
| 15:19.52 | mgedmin | the diff is against meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard git sources, but it applies cleanly to the files in /usr/share/meegotouch/virtual-keyboard/layouts |
| 15:19.54 | Venemo | javispedro, I want this with hw kbd |
| 15:20.26 | mgedmin | for hw kbd see the hack I did to hwkbcharloops.xml to make Sym+letter do something |
| 15:20.49 | mgedmin | the default en_GB section is ignored because the actual language code is just 'en' without the _GB |
| 15:21.14 | mgedmin | oh, and after you edit the .xml, you need to /sbin/initctl restart xsession/meego-im-uiserver |
| 15:21.23 | mgedmin | people in #meego-inputmethods are very friendly and helpful |
| 15:21.41 | Venemo | hmm |
| 15:21.46 | Venemo | ok, I'll try, wait a moment |
| 15:22.48 | mgedmin | note: hwkb config depends on the UI language |
| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: also +V on a bot indicates it's an "official" bot |
| 15:22.56 | mgedmin | vkb config depends on the text input methods you've chosen |
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| 15:23.06 | Venemo | mgedmin, noooo... UI language... nooo |
| 15:23.25 | mgedmin | which UI language do you use? |
| 15:23.44 | Venemo | English |
| 15:23.48 | mgedmin | US or UK? |
| 15:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | english |
| 15:24.00 | Venemo | dunno, the default |
| 15:24.06 | Venemo | and I don't want to switch to Hungarian, the translations are usually crap |
| 15:24.13 | mgedmin | I think the default is UK |
| 15:24.41 | mgedmin | I'm curious what is 'gconftool -g /meegotouch/i18n/language' would say if you chose English (US) |
| 15:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | English (UK) |
| 15:24.53 | mgedmin | but insufficiently curious to actually try it, because that would require a reboot |
| 15:24.56 | mgedmin | (boo!) |
| 15:25.13 | Venemo | what the heck? harmattan uses gconf? |
| 15:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | you bet, no? |
| 15:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | gconftool -g /meegotouch/i18n/language -> en |
| 15:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | for english (UK) |
| 15:27.31 | mgedmin | right |
| 15:27.39 | Venemo | meh, gconf is obsolete |
| 15:27.53 | mgedmin | which is why by default sym+letters do not input any accented versions, because hwkbcharloop.xml defines accents for "en_GB", not "en" |
| 15:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: harmattan is obsolete ;-D |
| 15:29.09 | Venemo | heh |
| 15:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it uses HAL as well ;-) |
| 15:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | and I heard HAL is at least as obsolete as gconf |
| 15:30.36 | Venemo | it is a bit less obsolete |
| 15:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | ooh? |
| 15:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | is it IBM now? ;-P |
| 15:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | as gconf is dconf now |
| 15:31.20 | Venemo | :P |
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| 15:32.06 | Tronic | I bet also uses an obsolete logger, an obsolete init system and a totally obsolete filesystem. |
| 15:32.35 | Tronic | What is it with these open-source hippies, always inventing new frameworks to accomplish the same old thing, only now broken in different ways. |
| 15:32.36 | mgedmin | I thought HAL was more obsolete than gconf |
| 15:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: lol |
| 15:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: couldn't agree more :-) |
| 15:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | deletes a line starting with PulseAu |
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| 15:35.48 | rm_work | now that my n950 is in-route via DHL, i'm getting more excited :P |
| 15:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | was, but now it's stuck in the UK. |
| 15:36.16 | rm_work | same |
| 15:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | darn |
| 15:36.28 | rm_work | was gonna ask if anyone in the US has gotten theirs yet |
| 15:36.37 | fiferboy | Mine is on a loooong slight over, apparently |
| 15:36.43 | rm_work | and if it was actually 2 day shipping or if it ended up being like week-long shipping |
| 15:36.53 | fiferboy | Left UK 8 hours ago and hasn't arrived anywhere yet |
| 15:36.56 | rm_work | hrm |
| 15:36.59 | thebootroo | what is the widget flag to allow auto rotation in harmattan |
| 15:37.02 | rm_work | 7 Processed at EAST MIDLANDS - UK EAST MIDLANDS - UK 06:06 |
| 15:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's actually overnight express. |
| 15:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | But DHL is fail as always. |
| 15:37.17 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol yeah, wow... fail... |
| 15:37.21 | rm_work | overnight my @$% :P |
| 15:37.34 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: your last status? |
| 15:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | Same as yours, but 06:22 |
| 15:37.48 | fiferboy | Overnight express is next day by noon? |
| 15:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | End of next business day. |
| 15:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | Everything at DHL is "Express" |
| 15:38.06 | rm_work | that'd be.... today |
| 15:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 15:38.12 | rm_work | and since it hasn't left the UK yet... |
| 15:38.15 | GeneralAntilles | Thus the fail. |
| 15:38.19 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:38.24 | rm_work | maybe they just... forgot to mention it left? :P |
| 15:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible |
| 15:38.39 | fiferboy | Mine took an extra step after Midlands to London-Heathrow |
| 15:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | They probably paid â¬100. . . . |
| 15:39.29 | rm_work | does FedEx not exist in Finland? >_> |
| 15:39.43 | rm_work | Fedex seems to actually be the one competent shipping company IME |
| 15:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | UPS > FedEx |
| 15:40.06 | rm_work | UPS has been about as fail to me :/ |
| 15:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | FedEx is always fail down here. |
| 15:40.23 | GeneralAntilles | DHL is USUALLY fail (though my sample size is low) |
| 15:40.24 | rm_work | I've had on multiple occasions 1-3 day shipping turn into 1-week shipping |
| 15:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | UPS is rarely fail. |
| 15:40.38 | rm_work | at least they refunded me >_> |
| 15:40.45 | rm_work | each time |
| 15:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | I hardly ever do 3-day UPS anymore. |
| 15:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Usually 2-day air or ground. |
| 15:40.58 | mgedmin | ok, here we go, let's try to unlock the home screen orientation |
| 15:41.02 | rm_work | 3-day UPS used to be the #1 price-point |
| 15:41.07 | mgedmin | I think I found a simpler way than http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3756&page=2 |
| 15:41.33 | mgedmin | and by "simpler" I mean without the two mkdirs |
| 15:41.58 | mgedmin | /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css has an @import "custom.css"; at the end |
| 15:42.04 | mgedmin | so what if I create a custom.css there |
| 15:43.25 | mgedmin | and restart meegotouch-home with /sbin/initctl restart xsession/mthome |
| 15:43.28 | mgedmin | tries |
| 15:43.38 | mgedmin | nope, still locked to portrait |
| 15:43.46 | mgedmin | and all my running apps were closed as a side effect |
| 15:43.54 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:44.01 | rm_work | have you tried turning it off and on again? :P |
| 15:44.07 | mgedmin | still faster than a reboot though |
| 15:44.11 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 15:44.14 | rm_work | mayhaps you just need to restart something else |
| 15:44.27 | rm_work | your theory makes sense |
| 15:44.44 | mgedmin | your theory is intriguing |
| 15:44.48 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:44.56 | mgedmin | reboots |
| 15:45.02 | rm_work | my theory is from IT Crowd (and any IT technician ever) :P |
| 15:45.11 | rm_work | lol redundant |
| 15:45.38 | mgedmin | maybe the themes are handled by some other component and restarting mthome is insufficient? reboot restarts everything |
| 15:46.00 | mgedmin | nope, still locked to portrait |
| 15:46.14 | mgedmin | and now my existing ssh session is dead obviously |
| 15:48.24 | mgedmin | mkdir -p blanco/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/ |
| 15:48.30 | mgedmin | cd /usr/share/themes |
| 15:48.37 | mgedmin | (before the mkdir obviously) |
| 15:48.41 | lardman | heads home |
| 15:48.41 | mgedmin | mv base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/style/custom.css blanco/me |
| 15:48.42 | mgedmin | egotouch/meegotouchhome/style/meegotouchhome.css |
| 15:48.46 | lardman | catch you chaps next week |
| 15:49.01 | mgedmin | /sbin/initctl restart xsession/mthome |
| 15:49.23 | mgedmin | now it works |
| 15:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: enjoy your weekend |
| 15:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: \o/ |
| 15:50.38 | mgedmin | I don't like the task switching animation |
| 15:50.41 | Venemo | mgedmin, how about the redraw issue? |
| 15:50.48 | mgedmin | tap on a window, it shrinks to a point and then suddenly takes over the screen |
| 15:50.54 | mgedmin | I'd like to see it expand instead |
| 15:51.14 | mgedmin | what redraw issue? everyone talks about some redraw issue without explaining that it is with screenshots etc |
| 15:52.05 | mgedmin | so far no issues detected |
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| 15:54.14 | rlinfati | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.01 | GAN900 | mgdemin, yeah, that really irritates me too. |
| 15:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: it's questionable anybody has tested that option yet |
| 15:56.13 | rm_work | GAN900: if it isn't out of midlands by tonight when I get off work, i'm going to be seriously lulz at DHL |
| 15:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: given the fact several users got their devices just 2 days ago, or not yet at all |
| 15:57.47 | rlinfati | DocScrutinizer OK, take more of 10-15 min... :S |
| 15:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, while flashing a complete new image, there was some 30+ minutes mentioned. I haven't timed it |
| 15:59.52 | rlinfati | yeah... the flash process was fast... but was not the secure erase mmc ... |
| 16:02.17 | rlinfati | some bug from fremantle are still in harmattan |
| 16:02.18 | rlinfati | :S |
| 16:06.51 | rZr | apt-get install turntable # http://rzr.online.fr/q/handset |
| 16:07.57 | rm_work | ahhhh dokuwiki |
| 16:08.15 | rm_work | favorite wiki software ever, use it every day :P |
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| 16:12.12 | rlinfati | how i can login to ovi maps ? :S |
| 16:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: you need a nokia account (aka yahoo account) |
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| 16:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | or ovi account (all the same it seems) |
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| 16:29.49 | rlinfati | my ovi account do not work :( |
| 16:30.36 | rlinfati | grrr i setup and exchange account.... and now i can not add a other imap account :( |
| 16:34.25 | hiemanshu | still no tracking number or delivery, I wonder what will happen |
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| 16:53.22 | Elleo | if anyone's interested in doing some 2d game dev for harmattan I've just built box2d and the box2d-qml wrappers: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2011/07/15/box2d-and-box2d-qml-for-harmattan/ |
| 16:53.45 | Elleo | box2d-qml looks really handy, it lets you setup all your physics stuff directly within a qml document |
| 16:53.59 | cpscotti | Elleo, jeez.. that url really looks like microsoft at first look :D |
| 16:54.57 | Elleo | heh |
| 16:55.54 | cpscotti | Elleo, awesome video! :D |
| 16:56.17 | Elleo | thanks :) |
| 16:56.26 | cpscotti | can you drag them to add energy/speed or just touching? |
| 16:56.52 | cpscotti | like.. on the video, are you clicking on the elements or "throwing" them? |
| 16:57.06 | Elleo | I'm just touching them, then they're firing off in random directions |
| 16:57.16 | Elleo | but there's nothing to stop you making it so that you can drag them around and such |
| 16:57.35 | Elleo | there's another demo that hooks up the accelerometer stuff to move the centre of gravity around |
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| 16:59.30 | Elleo | https://gitorious.org/qml-box2d/qml-box2d/blobs/master/examples/accelerometer/accelerometer.qml <-- all very nice and simple |
| 17:03.29 | mgedmin | has no energy today to deal with supybot, please remind him some other day |
| 17:05.08 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, this really is ridiculous. |
| 17:05.17 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, what an enthusiasm drainer. |
| 17:11.41 | cpscotti | Elleo, cool! |
| 17:30.17 | cpscotti | Hey there.. I think I found a quite obvious bug on qml/harmattan-components wrt orientation |
| 17:30.31 | Venemo | nah, who wants to try my first-ever Harmattan game? |
| 17:31.03 | cpscotti | Venemo, I can try |
| 17:31.18 | Venemo | cpscotti, you prefer .deb or source? |
| 17:31.25 | cpscotti | source is cooler :D |
| 17:31.50 | cpscotti | as long as it compiles & runs cool with QtSdk |
| 17:32.07 | cpscotti | otherwise just send the .deb |
| 17:33.53 | cpscotti | (well, the bug I found is quite obvious. Open QMLComponents demo that comes with the N950, position device in landscape mode; swipe the app to the background; Turn the phone into portrait mode; switch back to the app.. the top StatusBar will be messed up) |
| 17:34.06 | cpscotti | (anyone else confirms this?) |
| 17:34.43 | mgedmin | which QMLComponents demo? there are two |
| 17:34.57 | cpscotti | works with both I think |
| 17:35.00 | cpscotti | let me check |
| 17:35.15 | cpscotti | yep |
| 17:35.17 | Venemo | cpscotti, that is a known bug, see http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation |
| 17:35.22 | cpscotti | ahh cool |
| 17:35.36 | Venemo | at least, something like that is a known bug :P |
| 17:35.44 | cpscotti | Venemo, I was searching for it on http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ and couldn't find much |
| 17:36.08 | mgedmin | yes, the status bar is kinda messed up |
| 17:36.29 | mgedmin | BTW I've done the hacky theme modification to allow landscape home screens |
| 17:36.34 | mgedmin | does this happen with unmodified themes? |
| 17:36.37 | Venemo | cpscotti, http://sources.venemo.net/memory-game.zip |
| 17:36.45 | Venemo | should open in Qt Creator and run |
| 17:37.00 | Venemo | it's still pre-release, some stuff doesn't work 100% well yet, but it's 90% okay now |
| 17:37.16 | cpscotti | Venemo, the bug I'm talking about is not that one.. |
| 17:37.22 | Venemo | mhm |
| 17:37.28 | Venemo | ok |
| 17:37.48 | Venemo | I need to leave now, but I'll get back later and then please tell me what you think of da app :P |
| 17:37.56 | cpscotti | I will |
| 17:38.22 | cpscotti | mgedmin, I don't know.. I just found this.. |
| 17:38.49 | mgedmin | I mean, did you hack your themes to support landscape home screens? |
| 17:38.50 | cpscotti | mgedmin, I tried the most simple possible Harmattan app with orientationLock: Automatic |
| 17:38.55 | cpscotti | no no |
| 17:38.58 | mgedmin | ah, ok |
| 17:38.59 | cpscotti | never touched them |
| 17:39.17 | cpscotti | (sorry, I didn't get what you mean at first) |
| 17:39.42 | mgedmin | yeah, sorry, I meant this: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 |
| 17:40.03 | mgedmin | heh, the wiki at http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Rotation |
| 17:40.13 | mgedmin | says "modify themes [...] to support portrait" |
| 17:40.32 | mgedmin | but portrait is already supported, it's landscape we geeks crave |
| 17:40.49 | cpscotti | Venemo, haha.. make is going crazy here.. telling me your files com from the future :D lol |
| 17:41.16 | mgedmin | also, wtf? there's ~/MyDocs/Music, but .mp3 files received over bluetooth end up in ~/MyDocs/.sounds |
| 17:41.16 | Venemo | cpscotti, open the .pro in Qt Creator (>= 2.2.1), select Harmattan, and you'll be fine |
| 17:41.34 | lcuk | where is that icon thingy javispedro did? |
| 17:41.53 | cpscotti | mgedmin, yeah.. got it but no.. I didn't play with that |
| 17:42.11 | cpscotti | Venemo, it ran fine anyway.. :D Just trying to understand how the game works.;. |
| 17:43.24 | cpscotti | Venemo, haha! Cool game! :D |
| 17:43.29 | cpscotti | like it! |
| 17:43.35 | Venemo | thanks cpscotti |
| 17:43.57 | Venemo | about how it works: look at memorygameboard.cpp/.h and memorycard.cpp/.h |
| 17:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: finally |
| 17:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | 15 Jul 2011 19:46:15, CONNECTED, USB100MA, STARTED, 0, FULL, 25, 8, 90, 1091, 4094, -82, -81, -1099 |
| 17:48.06 | cpscotti | Venemo, that's what I was doing.. and I got really happy to see I'm not the only one pending to the c++ side of qml :D |
| 17:48.19 | cpscotti | Venemo, only thing I'd change is the cards color... lol |
| 17:48.37 | Venemo | cpscotti, I'll make that a setting |
| 17:48.57 | cpscotti | but then again, a color blind's opinion on colours isn't really worth much |
| 17:49.11 | Venemo | cpscotti, plus I'll add an option to allow the user to select pics for the cards |
| 17:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: the joys of a concept aiming agnostics of any directory structure |
| 17:49.48 | cpscotti | Venemo, you know.. Maybe I'd just talk to some graphic designer wanting to do free stuff for him to choose pics & colors |
| 17:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | THE worst part of iPhone ever - now proudly introduced with harmattan |
| 17:50.31 | Venemo | mhm |
| 17:50.41 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't worry much, sounds like a good filemanager is in order |
| 17:51.33 | mgedmin | when I first did ls MyDocs and saw Music, Videos etc., I was so happy "they" got rid of those .sounds/.images hidden directories |
| 17:51.40 | mgedmin | and now I'm feeling betrayed ;) |
| 17:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: no filemanager of any acme qualities can replace a filepicker requester for attachment selection in mail, just to choose an arbitrary example |
| 17:52.13 | Venemo | mhmm |
| 17:52.18 | Venemo | anyway, I need to leave now |
| 17:52.20 | Venemo | will be back later |
| 17:52.37 | lcuk | imagines Venemo putting on his superhero costume and cape |
| 17:53.05 | Venemo | lcuk, http://sources.venemo.net/memory-game.zip if you're interested :) |
| 17:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | beating up some UX designers in HEL? ;-D |
| 17:53.17 | Venemo | so, brb |
| 17:54.38 | mgedmin | oh, oh, oh, I know what I want for my n950 |
| 17:54.43 | mgedmin | telepathy-salut |
| 17:55.13 | mgedmin | or a qr code reader |
| 17:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | iOS V-dunno now finally comes *with* C&P, harmattan now finally *got rid* of C&P |
| 17:55.43 | mgedmin | what do you mean got rid? |
| 17:55.48 | mgedmin | it works just fine in Notes |
| 17:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | oh why, is it always the crap details that get adopted by Nokia |
| 17:56.16 | mgedmin | to annoy you personally, I'm sure :) |
| 17:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:56.49 | Mek | C&P works just fine in any text field I've tried it in so far... |
| 17:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | iPhone at least one some of the solotmachine datepickers got week-of-day. In QML those are consequently omitted |
| 17:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | Mek: what's worth a C&P in text input boxes when it doesn't work on browser and terminal? |
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| 17:59.16 | Mek | okay, yeah, not being able to copy from a browser is indeed a bit annoying |
| 17:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | C&P a dbus-send cmdline from wiki to shell ;-) |
| 17:59.48 | lcuk | most frustrating part of the swipe UX is that once you swipe something to the side |
| 17:59.57 | lcuk | trying to swipe back to where you were is not possible |
| 17:59.59 | lcuk | losing flow |
| 18:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | my notion is unchanged, I prefer the N900 every single day |
| 18:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | N9 is not, and never will be, the device for me |
| 18:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I'm willing to help improve it for those who love the concept better than I do |
| 18:02.59 | Venemo | N9 may be not, but N950 maybe mine |
| 18:03.07 | Venemo | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 18:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | timy details like Fn-BS give me hope |
| 18:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | tiny* |
| 18:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | or ctl-Q |
| 18:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | a faint twinkle of MHD awesomeness |
| 18:12.22 | Venemo | MHD? |
| 18:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | and obviously with type-to-search in any of the 3 basic screens together with Fn-BS to reach taskswitcher basic screen there's even a stub of a better way than in fremantle to start arbitrary apps via kbd only |
| 18:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | modified hildon desktop |
| 18:13.31 | ieatlint | i'm like swipe |
| 18:14.03 | ieatlint | bleh, i'm also good english talk person |
| 18:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | basic GUI / MMI design rule: don't make the user constantly swap between kbd and mouse. Ergo plan for kbd shortcuts for all operations that are usually done via mouse, and possibly even plan for a vkbd to type the texts via mouse that you usually would enter via kbd |
| 18:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | we actually HAVE a vkbd for "mouse", what's missing is full support for hw-kbd accelerator key shortcuts so you don't need to use "mouse" |
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| 18:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | one of the first Apple MacIntosh testers stated: "My keaboard was defect for a week. I got more work done during this week by only using this new thing, the mouse, and the virtual keyboard, than I usually get done on my other PC that has keyboard only" |
| 18:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder what the same guy would say today, about N900 when his touchscreen was defect |
| 18:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | probably not "I got more work done on this awesome N900 hw keyboard alone than on an iPhone with virtual keyboard" |
| 18:27.41 | Venemo | mhm |
| 18:28.16 | ieatlint | that depends on if he needed to type a lot of non-alphanumeric chars |
| 18:28.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, also, would be nice the GUI wouldn't flip back and forth between portrait and landscape, especially when the keyboard is slid out |
| 18:28.30 | Venemo | it just disturbs the natural flow on my usecase |
| 18:28.45 | Venemo | anyway, will be back later |
| 18:32.52 | lcuk | " error while loading shared libraries: [/usr/lib/libfoo.so.1] failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted" |
| 18:32.57 | lcuk | is this aegis? |
| 18:33.16 | lcuk | it began after I copied binary over the top of installed one |
| 18:33.30 | Mek | yeah, if sha1 doesn't match it will refuse to load it |
| 18:33.46 | lcuk | where is the sha1 stored and how can I update it? |
| 18:33.49 | Mek | (doesn't match with what was in the .deb that is installed) |
| 18:34.07 | lcuk | yes I can understand that logically, ta for fragment of info |
| 18:34.24 | lcuk | will just build a later package for now |
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| 18:34.51 | dm8tbr | lcuk: you'll probably need to also rename the package as you can't replace signed packages IIRC |
| 18:35.29 | lcuk | dm8tbr, it is my own package |
| 18:35.36 | dm8tbr | lcuk: aaah, ok :) |
| 18:35.39 | lcuk | i installed the file originally with dpkg -i |
| 18:35.51 | lcuk | then was updating just the file instead of new package |
| 18:35.54 | lcuk | it is libliqbase |
| 18:36.01 | lcuk | I was testing the calendar on the capacitive |
| 18:36.02 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:36.05 | dm8tbr | :D |
| 18:36.16 | dm8tbr | how is it? |
| 18:36.41 | lcuk | well if I could run the calendar (this bug with loading the library now exists..) I would give a screenshot |
| 18:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yes, this is the security of aegis. You love it, no? |
| 18:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:37.40 | lcuk | i actually do not mind |
| 18:37.54 | lcuk | if the restriction is merely relating to installed packages |
| 18:38.10 | lcuk | I will simply use "make; sudo make install" directly on the device :P |
| 18:38.16 | lcuk | shrugs |
| 18:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, fair enough |
| 18:38.36 | lcuk | it is similar to the windows protection stuff |
| 18:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | just it breaks all the normal procedures and habits of the average hacker |
| 18:39.08 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | which is not what a devel device is meant for |
| 18:39.36 | lcuk | it does show reason why qt-creator has reverted to always installing a package |
| 18:39.38 | lcuk | when debugging |
| 18:40.08 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, when I got the device, happily amongst the first package I installed was "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 18:40.18 | lcuk | that to me makes it a good device :) |
| 18:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | my first package was bash, as you know |
| 18:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | and that experience made me somewhat hate the device |
| 18:41.58 | lcuk | echo "deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free" > /etc/apt/repos.d/sdktools.lst |
| 18:41.58 | lcuk | apt-get update |
| 18:41.58 | lcuk | apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:42.25 | DocScrutinizer | won't give a *real* shell either |
| 18:42.44 | lcuk | wow, when I got the n810 I wouldn't have known what that meant, by the n900 I knew it but didn't really know why |
| 18:42.53 | lcuk | now it is almost natural to read scripts |
| 18:42.59 | lcuk | feels his beard getting longer |
| 18:43.32 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol yeah it's ridiculous but i'm not letting it get me down :P |
| 18:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway let me try that echo thing, I doubt it will work |
| 18:44.04 | mgedmin | what tools are available in that harmattan sdk repo? |
| 18:44.12 | mgedmin | gcc/binutils/etc? |
| 18:44.21 | lcuk | mg, have a peek around |
| 18:44.48 | mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html is not friendly to peekers, seems like |
| 18:44.53 | mgedmin | and I forgot the apt repo structure |
| 18:45.11 | lcuk | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ |
| 18:46.10 | mgedmin | that's a bazillion alphabetical directories |
| 18:46.15 | mgedmin | is there a Packages.gz I could skim? |
| 18:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | -sh: can't create /etc/apt/repos.d/sdktools.lst: nonexistent directory |
| 18:47.06 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer it's sources.d, not repos.d |
| 18:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe I shouldn't C&P that ruthlessly |
| 18:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I only got sources.list.d/ |
| 18:48.28 | mgedmin | d'oh! |
| 18:48.33 | mgedmin | fail at correcting |
| 18:49.21 | ieatlint | and the repos in sources.list.d/ are oddly password protected |
| 18:50.17 | mgedmin | no vim in harmattan-dev, which is actually not that surprising... |
| 18:51.01 | mgedmin | and no sudo, so lcuk's grand 'sudo make install' plan ain't gonna work |
| 18:51.16 | ieatlint | there is vi |
| 18:51.25 | mgedmin | yeah, busybox vi |
| 18:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, the echo cmd to create sdktools.lst worked |
| 18:51.36 | ieatlint | yeah, that's good enough for me |
| 18:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder what it got me though |
| 18:54.22 | mgedmin | you got an additional repository and now can apt-get install additional stuff |
| 18:54.25 | mgedmin | such as sqlite3 |
| 18:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | still no bash, no mc. I refused to learn either vi or emacs since 20 years, won't stat with it to match Nokia's idea of what's an appropriate shell environment to do some work |
| 18:54.28 | mgedmin | or strace |
| 18:54.41 | mgedmin | development tools mostly, as far as I can see |
| 18:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | strace :-) |
| 18:55.17 | lcuk | mgedmin, it is the sdk repository used in scratchbox |
| 18:55.23 | lcuk | each version of maemo had same |
| 18:55.30 | lcuk | wonderful resource :) |
| 18:55.55 | mgedmin | I also remember the fun people had after running apt-get dist-upgrade with the sdk repository enabled |
| 18:56.03 | lcuk | neat |
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| 18:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | ummm, maybe I want to rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sdktools.lst then? |
| 18:57.29 | mgedmin | better refrain from dist-upgrade |
| 18:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | I always did :-D |
| 18:57.42 | mgedmin | just having those tools available for installation shouldn't hurt |
| 18:58.19 | mgedmin | lcuk, if you find a sudo package, please share; I can't stand this devel-sh business |
| 18:58.42 | mgedmin | s/devel-sh/devel-su |
| 19:00.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yeah :$ |
| 19:00.34 | lcuk | curious |
| 19:01.10 | lcuk | harmattan does not like fullscreen/full resolution it has the tearing |
| 19:01.53 | lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 |
| 19:01.56 | MeeGoBot | Bug 13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink |
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| 19:12.11 | javispedro | ah, logs to read! |
| 19:12.16 | javispedro | is happy |
| 19:12.24 | javispedro | also, no work to do this weekend :) |
| 19:12.31 | javispedro | puts on scratchbox wizard hat and robes |
| 19:19.58 | ieatlint | no work for me this weekend either :) |
| 19:20.17 | ieatlint | i can play with the n950 and start moving on the app :) |
| 19:22.22 | Mek | hmm, downloading maps seems to be broken on my n950... it downloads a file, but then just sits at 100% forever without doing anything... |
| 19:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | Mek: heard it download a tarbal but fails to expand it |
| 19:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Map_loader |
| 19:25.44 | javispedro | it worked for me |
| 19:25.51 | javispedro | the tarball was 30MiB thoug |
| 19:25.52 | javispedro | h |
| 19:26.29 | ieatlint | haha, i just tried to download a map on it, and it sat there at maybe 100kbps for a couple min, then gave me an error saying my connection is "too slow" |
| 19:26.37 | ieatlint | (it's on wifi with a ~15mbit uplink) |
| 19:27.55 | Mek | hmm, yeah, a 5MB map download works fine, but a 100MB one doesn't... |
| 19:28.15 | ieatlint | yeah, well, my local map package is 126.4mb |
| 19:29.56 | ieatlint | in my tests, the map application is nice, works well at finding places |
| 19:30.06 | ieatlint | but the data is maybe 2 years old |
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| 19:52.30 | Venemo | lcuk, do you have a couple of minutes for me? |
| 19:52.48 | lcuk | not really, i am debugging something |
| 19:53.18 | Venemo | you'll miss out the first harmattan game :( |
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| 19:58.14 | Venemo | mgedmin, you here? |
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| 21:47.47 | javispedro | thanks god the n950 seems more robust than n900, because stock cable plug is quite... hard to unplug. |
| 21:47.55 | javispedro | *the n950 usb port.. |
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| 21:49.54 | SpeedEvil | I'd be tempted to do the file thing. |
| 21:50.11 | SpeedEvil | Use a file to remove the sticky-up bits on the plug |
| 21:50.59 | javispedro | the cable seems el cheapo. |
| 21:51.43 | javispedro | were the n900 has four "sticky-up bits" this has two |
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| 22:42.03 | Venemo | hehe |
| 22:53.13 | mzanetti | Modifying a PageStack while it is busy freezes the complete application. Are there already any known workarounds for that? |
| 22:54.35 | mzanetti | Depending on the property "connected" I replace() the page on the pageStack. If I change a connection the property goes to disconnected and then to connected again. |
| 22:55.00 | mzanetti | This calls pageStack.replace() twice and freezes the app |
| 22:56.53 | mzanetti | is there a way to queue the property change as long the pagestack is busy? |
| 23:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: javispedro: it's pretty unclear what *are* the sticky-up bits, so I'd not do this. Also it "fixes itself" really fast - at least did for me |
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| 23:04.41 | SpeedEvil | I mean carefully remove after examining closely, and ensure no spurs are left that could stick up |
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| 23:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: javispedro: it's pretty unclear what *are* the sticky-up bits, so I'd not do this. Also it "fixes itself" really fast - at least did for me |
| 23:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | some graphite applied by a smooth pencil may do miracles though |
| 23:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | NOT on the inside of the plug! |
| 23:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I concur the CA-179 is kinda crappy and I prefer the CA-101 each day |
| 23:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | got 4 of them ca-101 now, should suffice for regular use |
| 23:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, none of the 4 CA-101 (un-)mates that hard as the CA-179 |
| 23:29.11 | SpeedEvil | ponders claiming first 'harmattan game' by adding a link to a locally stored web-game. |
| 23:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | WOOOW the proximity sensor on N950 does real distance |
| 23:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | I mean distance readings |
| 23:39.20 | ieatlint | nice |
| 23:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | starting with 27.06932 when hand is ~3 fingers distance (4cm) |
| 23:40.28 | ieatlint | what'd you use to access it? |
| 23:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | going up to 55.66716 when touching surface |
| 23:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/sensorgallery |
| 23:41.50 | SpeedEvil | neat |
| 23:42.17 | ieatlint | nice, yeah, i just went and looked at QProximitySensor and see that it will only return a boolean indicating if something "is close" |
| 23:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | and QCompass sensor widget isn't as broken as the compass app there |
| 23:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: most of the sensors are abysmally poor |
| 23:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | by design |
| 23:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | in QtMobility |
| 23:43.46 | ieatlint | yeah, it also has instructions on how to get the real reading |
| 23:43.54 | ieatlint | with notes that the values are device specific |
| 23:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | QOrientation: no hysteresis at all, just braindamaged 1..6 for "current orientation is more loke" |
| 23:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | like* |
| 23:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | QIRProximitySensor |
| 23:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict grue |
| 23:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is GrueSensor? |
| 23:48.34 | javispedro | omg, that is quite an invention |
| 23:48.41 | javispedro | probably the KILLER application of this device |
| 23:48.43 | javispedro | /me wants |
| 23:49.02 | ieatlint | "The Grue Sensor informs you of your chance of being eaten by a Grue." |
| 23:49.20 | javispedro | iPhone does not have that! |
| 23:49.25 | javispedro | neither crapdroid! |
| 23:49.37 | ieatlint | http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/qtmobility/sensors-grueplugin-gruesensor-cpp.html |
| 23:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah but QtMobility has QGrueSensor and I wanna know what it's *supposed* to show |
| 23:50.07 | ieatlint | it's a demo on how to create your own sensors |
| 23:50.28 | javispedro | " A probability of 1 means you are currently being eaten." |
| 23:50.56 | javispedro | MAGNIFICUS! |
| 23:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | W*T*F |
| 23:51.59 | ieatlint | it's attached to the light sensor |
| 23:52.05 | ieatlint | cover it and your chance increases |
| 23:52.40 | ieatlint | for every second it's dark, you have a .1 chance more of being eaten, apparently |
| 23:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | not where I am - the chance there'snothing left for the next grue is >1 |
| 23:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. the ALS won't notice much of a difference when I cover it |
| 23:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | I found it rather erratic this sensor behaves like Heissenberg: it always starts at 0 as soon as you look at it |
| 23:54.53 | javispedro | obviously, because you're alive. |
| 23:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | that's rather unusual for a sensor to influence the sensored value |
| 23:55.26 | javispedro | ah, you mean the ALS, not the grue one =) |
| 23:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | unless you go to quantum mechanics |
| 23:56.00 | javispedro | btw the sensors guys also can't properly create harmattan packages |
| 23:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I mean that gruesensor that always starts counting up from zero as soon as you start it |
| 23:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite obviously nonsense for virtually any kind of sensor |
| 23:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's why my first question was "what it's *supposed* to probe" |
| 23:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | as it was instantly clear this sensor is broken |
| 23:58.29 | javispedro | omg it installed |
| 23:58.41 | javispedro | oh. |
| 23:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | another broken by design QtMobility sensor |
| 23:58.49 | javispedro | more like, it started installing, then it hung. |
| 23:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | not much worse than the others |
| 23:59.37 | ieatlint | ooh, there's a battleship game up there with multiplayer via bluetooth |