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| 00:19.53 | SpeedEvil | He's graduated to pissing gasoline? |
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| 00:44.27 | Termana | morning |
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| 01:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | Tronic, thanks! |
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| 01:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: Tronic: I'd say "fsck the UI, what's with the core OS and toolkits?" |
| 01:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 01:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, it just varies in % purity |
| 01:27.04 | SpeedEvil | I have wondered about swipe on w7 |
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| 01:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | Honestly Trollop stating >>In our strategic assessment, we determined that the MeeGo effort could not quickly enough deliver us a range of solutions across price points, radio technologies, etc. for us to effectively compete, so we had to make an alternative decision.<< sounds like handwaving, false assumtion about that "alternative decision" (read WP) would deliver faster and with less risk, and it sounds like a foul excuse for getting |
| 01:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | bent over by M$. Plus it is a confession of "we don't know how to build proper OS inhouse" |
| 01:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | each single point rather easy to put on testbench and reject |
| 01:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | Elop seems to have forgotten Nokia is still selling *hardware* |
| 01:38.03 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: I agree. The UI isn't that spectacular (although good). QML is awesome and Maemo has proven itself as an excellent platform. |
| 01:39.30 | Tronic | That's AFAIK not the first time that Elop is giving that "we wouldn't be able to finish MeeGo quickly enough" excuse. |
| 01:39.58 | Tronic | Strangely enough, they are releasing N9 somewhere around September and WP7 much later. |
| 01:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | well, so what's N9 then? |
| 01:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | so let's go on...: "solutions across price points" what's wrong with harmattan on cheaper devices? how much would it cost Nokia to re-use it? ZERO basically. "radio technologies, etc" BS, the radio technology, while maybe difficult to attach, is largely unrelated to the OS as such, and for sure not easier or faster to implement under WP than under harmattan |
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| 01:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | of course unless the think of integrated baseband+APE one_CPU devices, where the integrity of the GSM stack is protected by locking up the OS. Obviously they can't do this for maemo while keeping it "open" by any metrics |
| 01:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | so no maemo on cheap featurephones |
| 01:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | though with aegis... X-P |
| 01:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 01:48.03 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Well - m5 class hardware has dropped a fair bit. |
| 01:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 01:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | still a nogo for 20$ phones |
| 01:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | the rationale Elop exposes is clearly that of a SW-house CEO, while Nokia should probably recall they are mainly a HW manufacturer. |
| 01:52.43 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: Btw, does WP7 even support all the radio technologies that N9 does? |
| 01:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | nfi |
| 01:53.27 | Tronic | N9 seems to have everything except for 11a WiFi and maybe some far east local systems. |
| 01:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | what's WP7? ;-D |
| 01:54.55 | Tronic | S40 is going to stay there for the low end devices, right? |
| 01:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's what they told |
| 01:55.31 | Tronic | There is no way you can put a regular operating system (such as anything Linux-based) on such hardware. |
| 01:57.36 | Tronic | Dunno how much it would cost to equip those devices with a little more decent hardware, considering that RAM and Flash are dirt cheap nowadays. That is bound to happen at some point but for all I know it could take another decade. |
| 01:57.46 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: no FMTX |
| 01:57.59 | Tronic | SpeedEvil: On what? |
| 01:58.02 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: n9 |
| 01:58.23 | Tronic | Yeah :/ |
| 01:58.38 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: There is a substantial premium for devices capable of doing linux well. |
| 01:58.40 | Tronic | Even though that wasn't really all too useful with the N900 either. |
| 01:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | not that N900 FMTX ever worked nicely |
| 01:58.55 | Tronic | And neither was the FM receiver. |
| 01:59.09 | SpeedEvil | The high-end SoC all generally require a secondary chip, for example. |
| 01:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 01:59.27 | SpeedEvil | The lower end ones are integrated. |
| 01:59.43 | SpeedEvil | Which lowers cost. |
| 01:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | BB5 modem alone is 2 or 3 chips |
| 01:59.59 | SpeedEvil | And the lowest end ones run everything on the 'modem' chip |
| 02:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | APE another 3..5 big ones |
| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's for sure a bit of a difference |
| 02:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | 2 chips on cheap featurephones (possibly one) vs 5..8 more expensive chips on smartphone with separate APE |
| 02:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | though I can't see the cheap architecture run WP7 either |
| 02:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | but trollop might think it could |
| 02:09.29 | Tronic | Do you think WP7 license could be dirt cheap for the low end phones? |
| 02:13.41 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: It's not going to run at all. |
| 02:13.52 | SpeedEvil | WP7 is very, very constrained on the hardware it will run on |
| 02:13.58 | SpeedEvil | It's one or two chips only at the moment |
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| 06:42.06 | hiemanshu | oh goody, my N950 wont connect to a internet connection :/ |
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| 08:43.10 | cpscotti | hey, has anyone fully drained their n950`s battery? |
| 08:43.39 | cpscotti | apparently mine's battery got drained this morning in like... 45 minutes |
| 08:44.00 | cpscotti | (ok, I was testing weird stuff but still...) |
| 08:44.42 | alterego | I think lcuk did, and he couldn't boot it afterwards :) |
| 08:44.50 | alterego | Is that why you're asking? |
| 08:44.59 | alterego | Last I heard he was dismantling it to get at the battery .. |
| 08:45.56 | RST38h | the runaway signon process will do it to you |
| 08:48.20 | MohammadAG | I thought the N950 shouldn't suffer from that |
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| 08:50.11 | RST38h | Frmo the signon process? No, everyone should suffer from the signon process! |
| 08:50.29 | MohammadAG | from battery drainage |
| 08:51.32 | MohammadAG | would be funny if my device was defective |
| 08:52.47 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: yeah I have drained it multiple times, plugged in the wall charger, it starts charging but wont power on a little time |
| 08:53.24 | hiemanshu | for a* |
| 08:54.39 | cpscotti | alterego, hiemanshu, crazy shit |
| 08:54.48 | cpscotti | for some time I did believe I had bricked the stuff |
| 08:54.53 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: not really, this is how most phones have been |
| 08:54.54 | cpscotti | but now it's up |
| 08:55.15 | hiemanshu | when its completely drained, wont boot up for a bit until it has a little charge left |
| 08:55.20 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, ye ye.. but I didn`t even consider the battery at the beginning because it drained soooo fast |
| 08:55.25 | alterego | I've used it until it's turned off, but not had a problem powering it on. Though I let it charge whilst off anyway, so meh :) |
| 08:55.42 | Arkenoi | quite strange, n900 connected to wpa-peap network with minor glitch (you need to define access point manually, not select from available networks), n950 cannot do it at all and no meaningful diagnostics is provided |
| 08:55.53 | hiemanshu | alterego: yes, the LED starts blinking which means its charging but you still cannot power it on yet |
| 08:56.21 | alterego | hiemanshu: yeah, no doubt. Just saying I never tried so I haven't witnessed it ;) |
| 08:56.24 | hiemanshu | and then when you can actually switch it on, the LED is a constant always on or something (I can recall it) |
| 08:56.24 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, yes.. now it's all good :D |
| 08:56.57 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: awesome |
| 08:57.01 | hiemanshu | goes for lunch |
| 09:00.34 | cpscotti | hey, woops.. accidentaly removed the MyDocs symlink on /home/developer ; can anyone confirm if it's just: |
| 09:00.36 | cpscotti | lrwxrwxrwx 1 user develope 18 Aug 1 09:59 MyDocs -> /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 09:01.09 | cpscotti | or better: |
| 09:01.10 | cpscotti | lrwxrwxrwx 1 user develope 18 Aug 1 09:59 /home/developer/MyDocs -> /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 09:02.00 | cpscotti | (how I did it? I was trying to remove a folder called "?j^?/" ... lol) |
| 09:06.41 | divan_ | cpscotti, yep, confirm |
| 09:06.55 | cpscotti | divan_, thanks! |
| 09:06.59 | divan_ | cpscotti, $ ls -l /home/developer/ |
| 09:06.59 | divan_ | total 4 |
| 09:06.59 | divan_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jul 30 16:26 MyDocs -> /home/user/MyDocs |
| 09:06.59 | divan_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 user develope 4096 Aug 1 11:22 bin |
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| 09:17.26 | cpscotti | divan_, hmm.. actually it`s a bit different.. |
| 09:18.01 | divan_ | cpscotti, permissions? |
| 09:18.10 | cpscotti | owner & group |
| 09:18.20 | cpscotti | yours is root:root |
| 09:18.36 | cpscotti | my ad-hoc one's not.. changing that :D |
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| 09:32.27 | kimju | is the obs building working for others? I saw in the live build log that the package finished building, but now "download raw logfile" returns an empty page and build status lists it still as building, the package doesn't appear in the repo either. |
| 09:33.26 | Summeli | kimju: it doesn't work for me |
| 09:33.40 | Summeli | I get "permission denied" from a temp-folder that the obs makes from my package |
| 09:36.47 | kimju | ehh, now it gives me both live and rawlogs from totally unrelated package.. :o |
| 09:37.01 | piggz | back from a festival weekend...what have i missed in n950 land? |
| 09:38.28 | kimju | I wonder what would happen if I press abort build, trigger rebuild.. |
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| 09:44.55 | lardman | morning |
| 09:45.08 | RST38h | BTW, folks, whoever wants to test Speccy on N950, let me know |
| 09:45.14 | RST38h | Got a .deb for you |
| 09:45.37 | RST38h | Moo, lardman, may the Celestial Cow bless you with Her milk |
| 09:45.58 | lardman | RST38h: thanks RST38h and the same to you :) |
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| 09:49.57 | rm_work | lcuk: morning |
| 09:51.06 | rm_work | been up for the last 5 hours dealing with other brits, and there's a guy on this conference call that reminds me of you :P lol |
| 09:52.09 | lardman | always talking about bacon? |
| 09:52.12 | lardman | ;) |
| 09:52.20 | lardman | oh no, that's me |
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| 10:10.34 | vandenoever | is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Web/ (web runtime, WRT) also supported on N950/N9 ? |
| 10:12.01 | rm_work | lol |
| 10:12.05 | SpeedEvil | 'on symbian devices' |
| 10:12.42 | vandenoever | well, why would it not work on harmattan? it has the same/similar browser |
| 10:12.51 | SpeedEvil | Possibly. |
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| 10:14.37 | SpeedEvil | I'm also interested if the web proxycould be used |
| 10:16.12 | SpeedEvil | 'Web applications' - in some sense are suported. |
| 10:16.32 | SpeedEvil | In that you can put a webpage on the app-screen. |
| 10:16.49 | SpeedEvil | If you have it loading from a file - that's a web app. |
| 10:23.49 | rm_work | hrm, i've started getting blak screens on N950 -- when making a call it opens a new window which is just black, and closing it actually doesn't appear to hang up the call -- also, when i hold-tap on the task switcher and close one task, it turns the whole screen black until i leave and re-enter the task switcher screen |
| 10:27.15 | lcuk | lol rm_work |
| 10:28.27 | rm_work | onboarding a refinery in Pembroke |
| 10:28.30 | rm_work | and offices in Swindon |
| 10:28.45 | rm_work | Valero now has a foothold in the UK |
| 10:28.55 | rm_work | watch out, other refiners! |
| 10:29.20 | rm_work | :P |
| 10:30.11 | lardman | wanders back home to do some sw writing |
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| 10:32.42 | MohammadAG | module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed <-- how do I fix this on Ubuntu? |
| 10:34.31 | lcuk | install qt quick 1.1 |
| 10:34.45 | lcuk | :P |
| 10:34.49 | frals | qt 4.7.3+ iirc |
| 10:34.59 | MohammadAG | naw crap, I have 4.7.2 |
| 10:35.32 | MohammadAG | is there a PPA with 4.7.4? I cba to wait one hour for Qt to build |
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| 10:35.51 | rm_work | backports repo? |
| 10:35.56 | rm_work | you on natty? |
| 10:36.02 | rm_work | natty-backports ? |
| 10:36.03 | rm_work | or similar |
| 10:36.35 | MohammadAG | I wonder if KDE will like 4.7.4 |
| 10:36.58 | rm_work | i doubt it'll explode unless it's completely brokenly non-backwards-compatible... |
| 10:37.24 | rm_work | they'd have to have done some serious retarded shit to break it on a minor version change :P |
| 10:37.29 | frals | i would install it to opt or something... just in case :p |
| 10:37.42 | rm_work | whatever |
| 10:37.52 | rm_work | if it breaks KDE just remove it and reinstall from official repo |
| 10:38.05 | rm_work | but it seriously shouldn't be an issue on a minor version bump |
| 10:38.12 | rm_work | 4.7.2 -> 4.7.4 |
| 10:38.22 | MohammadAG | meh, no binaries |
| 10:38.37 | rm_work | unless their changelog is like "physically removed half of our API, broke backwards compatibility for all previous versions" |
| 10:38.47 | rm_work | which would be braindead |
| 10:39.00 | cpscotti | rm_work, I'm having the same issue when closing and app on the task switcher! annoying bc I have to switch to another screen and back |
| 10:39.10 | rm_work | cpscotti: yep |
| 10:39.21 | rm_work | very odd |
| 10:39.24 | rm_work | only started today |
| 10:39.30 | cpscotti | rm_work, mine started last friday |
| 10:39.34 | rm_work | hrm |
| 10:39.39 | cpscotti | and seemed to stop but restarted yesterday |
| 10:39.50 | rm_work | i may try a reboot |
| 10:39.54 | rm_work | it's been a day or two |
| 10:40.46 | cpscotti | well, now that I see I'm not the only one, let's pay more attention to it |
| 10:43.10 | rm_work | yeah i knew i wasn't the only one |
| 10:43.17 | rm_work | saw someone else mentioning the phone part a few days back |
| 10:43.24 | rm_work | does the phone thing happen to you too? |
| 10:43.30 | rm_work | have you tried calling anyone recently? |
| 10:46.28 | MohammadAG | should tie some buttons to the hangup dbus call |
| 10:48.20 | rm_work | ah man, so many british accents |
| 10:48.35 | Termana | MohammadAG, received your N950 yet? |
| 10:48.43 | rm_work | they sound so hilarious/awesome :P |
| 10:49.07 | MohammadAG | Termana, no, Israeli customs seem to like it |
| 10:49.23 | MohammadAG | it's been there since Sunday morning |
| 10:49.42 | MohammadAG | Saturday evening actually |
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| 10:50.08 | Termana | MohammadAG, mine was stuck in Customs on Sunday as well. They released it today, and now I just have "delivery arranged no details expected" |
| 10:50.47 | MohammadAG | I guess I'll get it by Wednesday, I'd have hoped for today but meh |
| 10:51.47 | MohammadAG | annoying how it can get from Finland to Germany to Italy in less than a day, but it takes 4 days to get from tel aviv to jerusalem |
| 10:52.24 | rm_work | it did take about a week to get to the US... |
| 10:52.32 | rm_work | but yes, silly |
| 10:52.54 | MohammadAG | tel aviv to jerusalem is less than 100km rm_work |
| 10:53.03 | rm_work | lol yeah |
| 10:53.09 | MohammadAG | I could drive there in 40 minutes |
| 10:53.20 | rm_work | well, point being it should have only been one day to the US.... |
| 10:53.33 | Termana | "Delivery arranged no details expected" is pain in the arse, I think it means they've given it to a third party courier. Now I have nfi where it is or when it will get here :\ |
| 10:53.38 | rm_work | so it takes a long time no matter where |
| 10:53.53 | MohammadAG | Israeli security's fun though |
| 10:54.22 | MohammadAG | and this is why I hate online shopping |
| 10:54.41 | MohammadAG | now imagine if my device was defective |
| 10:54.53 | MohammadAG | I'll get the second one when the WP7 phone's out |
| 10:55.13 | rm_work | <_< |
| 10:55.29 | rm_work | yeah i'm way too spoiled by amazon one-click two-day |
| 10:55.37 | rm_work | or single day for $3.99 |
| 10:55.54 | rm_work | i expect to order things and have them tomorrow |
| 10:55.55 | MohammadAG | used that a couple of times |
| 10:56.02 | rm_work | i buy groceries on amazon <_< |
| 10:56.14 | MohammadAG | (to the US of course) |
| 10:56.19 | rm_work | i thought the 2-day shipping with amazon prime was US only |
| 10:56.19 | rm_work | ah |
| 10:56.20 | rm_work | k |
| 10:56.21 | rm_work | :P |
| 10:56.44 | MohammadAG | In fact, I abused the trials for quite a while |
| 10:56.47 | rm_work | i have free prime from student deal :P |
| 10:56.57 | rm_work | have three more years left |
| 10:56.59 | MohammadAG | Having 4 emails is useful |
| 10:57.01 | rm_work | yes |
| 10:57.20 | rm_work | well i get one year per email with a .edu extension |
| 10:57.22 | MohammadAG | I just sign up for a trial on another account when I want to use it :P |
| 10:58.02 | rm_work | and my one .edu email will resolve to four different addresses |
| 10:58.17 | RST38h | randomly? |
| 10:58.20 | rm_work | the best part is i can just add each email to my same account and it extends it, lol |
| 10:58.34 | rm_work | well there are different forms |
| 10:59.15 | rm_work | last.first@college, lastf@college, last.first@cs.college, lastf@cs.college |
| 10:59.28 | rm_work | also i think i may have two more now |
| 10:59.33 | rm_work | @alumni.college |
| 10:59.47 | RST38h | ah, the wonders of sendmail.cf... |
| 10:59.54 | rm_work | :P |
| 11:00.09 | Arkenoi | rm_work, seen your situation too, reboot did help |
| 11:00.24 | rm_work | i think by 6 years from now i will be able to afford the $80/y for actual Prime |
| 11:00.37 | rm_work | lol |
| 11:00.46 | rm_work | Arkenoi: yeah some said it helped, some said it didn't |
| 11:00.49 | RST38h | BTW, I am sure everyone will be pleased ot know that the PulseAUdio lockup problem is back =) |
| 11:00.51 | rm_work | can't test now tho, no reception |
| 11:01.06 | RST38h | mentally kicks Lennart in the balls |
| 11:01.08 | rm_work | i am trying to figure out what the recommended way to play audio from python is |
| 11:01.09 | Arkenoi | rm_work, especially likely to happen with sip calls |
| 11:07.26 | cpscotti | rm_work, (sorry for taking so long to answ hehe) the phone thing didn`t happen in the same way for me. One time I got a black screen while I was making a call but then I swiped back and the phone was "there".. (only happened once so can`t be sure what really happened) |
| 11:08.16 | rm_work | well, when i dialed a number and hit the call button, it opened a NEW window which was black -- was able to swipe back to the dialer, but the black window stayed black (which i assume was the actual call window) |
| 11:08.30 | rm_work | the strange part was it not hanging up when i closed it via task switcher O_o |
| 11:10.10 | MohammadAG | does Harmattan use ofono? |
| 11:12.17 | w00t_ | no |
| 11:12.19 | rm_work | man, i just want to go home and sleep >_> |
| 11:12.32 | rm_work | been at work since 11pm sunday night, it's 6am monday now >_> |
| 11:13.00 | rm_work | stupid US/UK time difference |
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| 11:19.55 | divan_ | is there any standard way in QML to crop images with rounded corners, much like harmattan icons? |
| 11:21.26 | mikhas | you mean squircles? |
| 11:22.12 | cpscotti | rm_work, yep, weird.. I`ll keep an eye for it too |
| 11:22.51 | mikhas | cpscotti, in such situations it is useful to have mcompositor-tools ready |
| 11:22.54 | divan_ | mikhas, yes, exactly. |
| 11:23.07 | mikhas | can tell you everything about the window stack, even control it |
| 11:23.25 | mikhas | usually it's an app's top window being on top when it shouldn't =p |
| 11:23.35 | cpscotti | mikhas, hmm ok apt-ge tit? |
| 11:24.06 | mikhas | ah wrong, it is called -utils: mcompositor-utils |
| 11:24.24 | mikhas | a collection of little helpers |
| 11:31.49 | divan_ | default squircle seems to be too square comparing with harmattan style. |
| 11:32.27 | divan_ | at least that one with (x-a)^4+(y-b)^4=r^4 equation |
| 11:39.18 | cpscotti | mikhas, can`t find it on the main repo neither harmattan-dev one, which one is it in? |
| 11:39.36 | mikhas | odd, it's not packaged? |
| 11:39.43 | mikhas | it available right there on gitorious |
| 11:39.55 | cpscotti | /etc/apt/sources.list.d # apt-cache search mcomp |
| 11:39.56 | cpscotti | mcompositor - MeeGo Touch UI Compositing Window Manager |
| 11:39.56 | cpscotti | mcompositor-dbg - MeeGo Touch UI Compositing Window Manager debug symbols |
| 11:39.56 | cpscotti | mcompositor-swipe - mcompositor swipe plugin |
| 11:40.13 | cpscotti | ok, I'll build it from gitorious |
| 11:40.25 | mikhas | yeah |
| 11:41.06 | mikhas | this actually sucks |
| 11:41.21 | mikhas | why would you not ship utils ⦠|
| 11:41.34 | mikhas | esp. considering that the N950 is for devs |
| 11:43.00 | cpscotti | mikhas, yeh.. sucks.. everybody's packaging the normals stuff all over again |
| 11:47.35 | hiemanshu | which is why need cobs and a repo |
| 11:49.18 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, yep.. but..... |
| 11:49.42 | cpscotti | that Pack Rat looks good |
| 11:51.23 | MohammadAG | which is why I need to get that repo working |
| 11:51.56 | MohammadAG | actually I'm free till 7PM, /me takes a look at OBS again |
| 11:57.11 | MohammadAG | yay, N950 released out of customs |
| 11:57.38 | Stskeeps | that was quick |
| 11:57.42 | Stskeeps | sure it's still in the box? |
| 11:57.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:57.43 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:57.53 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: how long did it take? |
| 12:02.29 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, since Saturday evening |
| 12:02.54 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no :P |
| 12:02.56 | hiemanshu | mine was slower, 2-ish days :/ |
| 12:03.08 | RST38h | All covered in drool, I am sure |
| 12:03.11 | MohammadAG | Saturday isn't a working day though |
| 12:09.07 | MohammadAG | wonder if it'll be delivered today |
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| 12:42.14 | kimju | after waiting couple of hours for the package to appear in repo I triggered rebuild on obs, it started building another random package (not even a harmattan package this time) instead of mine. |
| 12:49.17 | dm8tbr | kimju: might want to poke lbt then? |
| 12:49.41 | lbt | kimju: I've heard this problem before |
| 12:49.43 | lbt | link ? |
| 12:49.56 | kimju | https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old - shows my build being stuck for 4 hours now. |
| 12:49.59 | kimju | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mg-terminal&project=home%3Akimju%3Aharmattan |
| 12:57.53 | mgedmin | I desperately need an IRC client for the N950 |
| 12:58.08 | mgedmin | well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but having one would be nice |
| 13:00.16 | hiemanshu | mgedmin: well you could compile quassel, and use with a ugly-ish GUI |
| 13:00.26 | Arkenoi | mgedmin, ssh to somewhere and run irssi :-) |
| 13:00.49 | MohammadAG | Venemo's making a client |
| 13:00.59 | MohammadAG | isn't gtk present on the N950? |
| 13:01.09 | mikhas | dont let Arjan hear that |
| 13:01.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: no gtk |
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| 13:03.24 | MohammadAG | Why? |
| 13:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | >>Processed at TEL AVIV - ISRAEL<< |
| 13:04.56 | MohammadAG | yeah, already called them, they're sending it tomorrow |
| 13:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: make some friends, get gtk to N950 :-P |
| 13:06.35 | RST38h | Why do you need gtk, anyway? |
| 13:06.53 | hiemanshu | gtk on the N950? sorry I dont want my N950 ugly again |
| 13:06.55 | RST38h | Anyone wants a Speccy for N950, BTW? |
| 13:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | because you won't patch xchat for QTM |
| 13:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | errr QML |
| 13:07.33 | hiemanshu | use Quassel :P |
| 13:07.41 | RST38h | ah that |
| 13:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | who wrote quassel (original author)? |
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| 13:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | name sounds rather German |
| 13:09.52 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist and what I said is your best bet for knowing what is protected by aegis or not. |
| 13:10.02 | hiemanshu | Manuel Nickschas |
| 13:10.05 | hiemanshu | or something |
| 13:10.23 | hiemanshu | harbaum: http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=blob;f=AUTHORS;h=88e710755fa1dd72c37a0e05fff9a081374d969c;hb=HEAD |
| 13:10.49 | hiemanshu | errr, DocScrutinizer ^ |
| 13:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 13:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | thnx |
| 13:19.11 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, feel like testing something? |
| 13:19.33 | lbt | kimju: it's annoying |
| 13:19.45 | mgedmin | MohammadAG, what? |
| 13:19.58 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, communi, an IRC client |
| 13:20.04 | mgedmin | sure |
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| 13:21.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am open to testing to :) |
| 13:22.08 | kimju | lbt, so no clear reason to be seen why that happens? |
| 13:22.08 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/libircclient-qt_0.5.0.9_armel.deb |
| 13:22.13 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/communi_2.0.0.5_armel.deb |
| 13:22.23 | MohammadAG | I have no N950 yet, so idk if it works |
| 13:22.30 | MohammadAG | communi is the N900 package, recompiled |
| 13:22.32 | hiemanshu | tries |
| 13:22.45 | MohammadAG | there may or may not be an icon :p |
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| 13:23.03 | djszapi | MohammadAG: is it different to that what Venemo did ? |
| 13:23.06 | MohammadAG | err, communi is empty |
| 13:23.26 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: why is communi only 2.7K? |
| 13:23.27 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I thought Venemo was writing an IRC client himself |
| 13:23.39 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, 2 sentences up, just noticed that, sec |
| 13:23.58 | hiemanshu | ah yeah |
| 13:24.05 | djszapi | MohammadAG: nah, he was using libircclient as well |
| 13:24.10 | djszapi | he just made an interface. |
| 13:24.27 | MohammadAG | djszapi, communi isn't written by me |
| 13:26.17 | lbt | kimju: it is almost certainly due to the scheduler not updating the build status of your project |
| 13:26.34 | lbt | and it is pointing to the worker it built on |
| 13:26.41 | lbt | which is now building something else |
| 13:27.42 | kimju | something wrong in my configuration? or just a obs bug? |
| 13:28.10 | hiemanshu | djszapi: https://bitbucket.org/communi/communi/wiki/Home that is the communi home |
| 13:28.30 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/communi_2.0.0.5_armel.deb |
| 13:28.47 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah cool, /me creates shorter urls |
| 13:28.58 | RST38h | Mohammad: what is it? |
| 13:29.50 | hiemanshu | http://bit.ly/nATryf and http://bit.ly/mY8Hli |
| 13:29.54 | djszapi | hiemanshu: yep, I found that, but thanks :) |
| 13:29.57 | RST38h | ah, an IRC client, of all things! |
| 13:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: first time I prefer short URLs - wonder why ;-P |
| 13:31.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: pain to type on the phone? |
| 13:31.09 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, did it work? |
| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 13:31.37 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: my phone wont connect to the internet, so restarting it, all it says it 'cannot connect to the internet' |
| 13:32.53 | djszapi | MohammadAG: hildon-application-manager is not available in package yet |
| 13:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | "can't install \n unable to trace installation dependencies " |
| 13:33.38 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 13:33.40 | MohammadAG | seriously |
| 13:33.45 | MohammadAG | the package depends on ham in Maemo 5 |
| 13:33.50 | MohammadAG | why the fuck... |
| 13:34.28 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I get invalid installation package :/ |
| 13:34.34 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: try the second link first |
| 13:34.36 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 13:34.47 | MohammadAG | try now, same URL |
| 13:35.00 | hiemanshu | tries |
| 13:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | "can't install \n unable to trace installation dependencies " |
| 13:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | "can't install \n unable to trace installation package dependencies " |
| 13:36.14 | MohammadAG | uh |
| 13:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | actually |
| 13:36.20 | MohammadAG | which ones? |
| 13:36.41 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: you need to install the second link first |
| 13:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | mohammaad.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/... ;-P |
| 13:37.30 | MohammadAG | install libircclient-qt first |
| 13:37.36 | hiemanshu | the lib installed just fine |
| 13:37.43 | MohammadAG | and communi? |
| 13:37.51 | hiemanshu | communi is downloading at 500B/s :/ |
| 13:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | "invalid installation package" |
| 13:38.14 | RST38h | Hm |
| 13:38.16 | djszapi | MohammadAG: It did not add any icon by me |
| 13:38.17 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: do it from commandline |
| 13:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 13:38.29 | hiemanshu | wget and dpkg |
| 13:38.37 | RST38h | How about nuking the rules file, replacing it with the default semi-empty one? |
| 13:38.41 | RST38h | And then rebuilding? |
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| 13:38.53 | lardman | re |
| 13:38.55 | lardman | aaaaargh |
| 13:39.01 | lardman | bloody Ubuntu multi-arch stuff |
| 13:39.03 | djszapi | MohammadAG: well, it is not even zoomable |
| 13:39.04 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it's fine |
| 13:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | moo lardman |
| 13:39.17 | lardman | any apt-get/dpkg gurus about? |
| 13:39.20 | lardman | hey Doc |
| 13:39.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: I think some of these steps involve generating aegis manifests etc |
| 13:39.29 | hiemanshu | lardman: just ask :P |
| 13:39.45 | RST38h | Mohammad: so, it is *possible* that if you have got a cusotm rules file these get skipped |
| 13:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I'm not touching cmdline any more on N950 |
| 13:40.00 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: hah, why not? |
| 13:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's too dangerous, thanks aegis |
| 13:40.10 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/7ArVq9fm any ideas? |
| 13:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | can't stand the thrill |
| 13:41.20 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: Aegis rejecting communi_* Debian archive truncated -- too short blah blah blah |
| 13:42.35 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ugh nvm, my mistake |
| 13:43.15 | MohammadAG | installs in SDK |
| 13:43.25 | djszapi | hiemanshu: that is impossible, aegis must be the reason ;) |
| 13:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: and djszapi confirmed this just a few lines up: [2011-08-01 15:09:52] <djszapi> DocScrutinizer: /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist and what I said is your best bet for knowing what is protected by aegis or not. |
| 13:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: thanks |
| 13:43.39 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, no application icon yet? |
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| 13:44.18 | hiemanshu | Arkenoi: run it from search |
| 13:45.08 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, |
| 13:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: [2011-07-31 21:28:21] <DocScrutinizer> I'm going to eventually document on wiki: "aegis is protecting arbitrary files from editing/deleting/renaming/chmod. You have no means to know if a file is protected that way. Touching such a file will possibly result in bricking and need for a reflash of complete system. That's the situation and you either deal with it or forget about harmattan, as nobody is going to do anything about |
| 13:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | it to fix this permanent threat" Maybe NOT - CBA |
| 13:45.21 | MohammadAG | add Categories=X-MeeGo; |
| 13:45.24 | MohammadAG | OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo; |
| 13:45.25 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.59 | djszapi | MohammadAG: Harmattan desktop file does not like fremantle desktop entries, if there is any |
| 13:46.07 | MohammadAG | djszapi, noticed that |
| 13:46.11 | hiemanshu_N950 | mohammadag, it works, but its butt ugly, and text is too small |
| 13:46.18 | hiemanshu_N950 | but it works |
| 13:46.24 | MohammadAG | better than nothing, for nwo |
| 13:46.26 | RST38h | Well, whaddyawanted... |
| 13:46.34 | djszapi | X-Osso-Type -> like this one |
| 13:46.47 | RST38h | BTW, Qt docs say that the -font command line argument should work |
| 13:46.50 | hiemanshu_N950 | yeah, i should compile quassel2go once i get home |
| 13:47.01 | RST38h | it did not work for me, but maybe you will get luckier |
| 13:47.10 | kimju | terminal + custon keymap + ssh to server running irssi.. "works for me" :) |
| 13:47.39 | djszapi | why not just irssi ? |
| 13:47.51 | RST38h | because irssi is ugly piece of eleet shit? |
| 13:47.55 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: seems to even update in the background \o/ |
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| 13:48.22 | MohammadAG_SDK | butt ugly indeed |
| 13:48.30 | djszapi | yeah, pretty much.. |
| 13:48.38 | djszapi | kimju: why do you need server in that workflow ? |
| 13:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_N950: look, aegis was pretty capable to stop you from editing such protected files, or generally from doing any nasty. Aegis *could* do a *reboot* for a last resort security measure. BUT NOT BRICK!!! |
| 13:48.45 | kimju | you don't want to run irc client directly on device with spotty connection. at least use a bouncer somewhere |
| 13:49.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I remember stskeep saying that you can run a custom kernel and it should disable the security stuff |
| 13:49.15 | djszapi | kimju: that is what I actually want :) |
| 13:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:49.16 | MohammadAG | try -style cleanlooks |
| 13:49.52 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: meh, I launched it from the search app :P |
| 13:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_N950: bricking is just a deliberate punishment for developers who were unlucky to run into one of the hidden APM of aegis |
| 13:50.40 | djszapi | MohammadAG: However this is a bit useless on N9 :p |
| 13:50.59 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: thats true |
| 13:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu_N950: it's like holiday in a pakistan minefield |
| 13:51.10 | hiemanshu | djszapi: yeah, thats true |
| 13:51.24 | kimju | djszapi, it's annoying when people come and go on channels constantly when their 3G connection is acting up.. also, it's annoying to be the one constantly dropping out. |
| 13:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | without any metal detector |
| 13:51.29 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: not really, in pakistan you could atleast detect mines |
| 13:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:51.42 | djszapi | kimju: get a good connection ? I use my mobile internet on a daily basis |
| 13:52.20 | kimju | djszapi, so I prefer to run irssi on my server with good and stable connection and ssh there. then no-one else needs to see if my connection is dropping. |
| 13:52.54 | kimju | djszapi, there are always places with marginal connectivity. parking garages, elevators, backwoods.. :) |
| 13:52.56 | djszapi | kimju: I do not know, I did not have such problems with mobile internet yet. |
| 13:53.03 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: if you have time now care to compile https://gitorious.org/quassel/quassel2go/archive-tarball/0.7 for me? I cannot go near my dev system for the next day or so |
| 13:53.15 | djszapi | kimju: :) |
| 13:53.21 | MohammadAG | does it have to be a deb? |
| 13:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: useless on N9? :-D AHAA you are eager to get a irc client for N9 :-D |
| 13:53.25 | djszapi | I cannot hide the VK after showing up... |
| 13:53.35 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yeah, or you cannot run it :/ |
| 13:53.41 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: N9 has newer images, do not forget... |
| 13:53.51 | djszapi | I prefer that over an IRC client actually ;) |
| 13:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, can see the reason |
| 13:54.06 | djszapi | mikhas: do you have an idea ? |
| 13:54.23 | djszapi | The VK does not go away after I typed something into the Nick name field, so I cannot click on the Next button. |
| 13:54.35 | hiemanshu | unless the VK goes swype, I am not getting a N9 |
| 13:54.50 | hiemanshu | s/goes/does/ |
| 13:55.14 | djszapi | hiemanshu: it is not swype based... |
| 13:55.25 | djszapi | it goes away if you click out of an input field for instance. |
| 13:55.33 | djszapi | and I think that design is ok. |
| 13:55.46 | hiemanshu | djszapi: well yeah, but there should be an option for swype |
| 13:56.21 | djszapi | actually, it would annoy me if it starts moving if I accidentally touch it. |
| 13:56.22 | mikhas | hiemanshu, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOI5g129rtM |
| 13:56.35 | mikhas | just watch carefully |
| 13:56.39 | mikhas | I wont comment =p |
| 13:57.02 | djszapi | or did you mean the move on the VK and not the whole keyboard itself ? |
| 13:57.11 | djszapi | for instance, button change by swiping ? That works. |
| 13:57.14 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I meant VK |
| 13:57.16 | djszapi | mikhas: do you have an idea ? |
| 13:57.25 | mikhas | yes, check the video |
| 13:57.31 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I mean swype, and not swipe :P |
| 13:57.32 | mikhas | answers everything, I think |
| 13:57.44 | mikhas | or you could just click that link |
| 13:57.48 | mikhas | come on, it is not hard |
| 13:59.02 | hiemanshu | mikhas: well I did watch it, well it could use some improvements, but much faster than the normal typing :P |
| 13:59.07 | djszapi | mikhas: I was asking you about that how I can hide the VK like in other applications. For instance, if I click out of it. |
| 13:59.27 | djszapi | mikhas: I was not really interested in swype thing :) |
| 13:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | meh, been there seen that ("intelligent" vkbd) - found them all completely useless for true work, maybe nice for writing SMS |
| 14:00.12 | mikhas | djszapi, the interaction is partially controlled by the framework, not the plugin |
| 14:00.19 | mikhas | so for that case, yes, it behaves the same |
| 14:01.02 | djszapi | mikhas: then it is somehow buggy since I cannot hide after it appears. |
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| 14:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | wonder how to enter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOI5g129rtM via swype :-P |
| 14:02.39 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: not possible on N950, I tried :P |
| 14:02.41 | mikhas | DocScrutinizer, by searching YT for "Nokia N9 Swype" |
| 14:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 14:02.52 | djszapi | mikhas: maybe you can try it out yourself for verification. |
| 14:02.54 | mikhas | =p |
| 14:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | uselss shiny eyecandy |
| 14:03.47 | mikhas | djszapi, which app? |
| 14:04.00 | djszapi | communi |
| 14:04.11 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: not really useless, it would make an awesome coaster |
| 14:04.17 | djszapi | are you in Helsinki ? I can show you personally as well :p |
| 14:04.46 | mikhas | am not |
| 14:04.56 | mikhas | but team is 3min away from you |
| 14:04.59 | djszapi | I guess it is because it does not use the components, just a pure fremantle recompilation |
| 14:05.01 | mikhas | go to B525 |
| 14:05.12 | mikhas | plain Qt? yeah, might not work |
| 14:05.14 | MohammadAG | * DocScrutinizer wonder how to enter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOI5g129rtM via swype :-P |
| 14:05.23 | MohammadAG | swype works as a normal keyboard too |
| 14:05.25 | MohammadAG | either swype or tap |
| 14:05.52 | mikhas | MohammadAG, the point being that you would never want to enter such link manually. |
| 14:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | that's my major concern with the whole UX concept: way too much optimized for massive "wow & aaah" on first usage. Eyecandy, not useful or even hindering on everyday usage |
| 14:05.55 | djszapi | mikhas: so I am still looking for a nice, zoomable irc client :) |
| 14:06.08 | mikhas | whether it is on a handset or your desktop |
| 14:06.20 | hiemanshu | djszapi: wait for a few years |
| 14:06.28 | MohammadAG | mikhas, I know someone who entered an iTunes app store link on his iPad |
| 14:06.34 | mikhas | DocScrutinizer, that's why we included a terminal for you. |
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| 14:06.36 | MohammadAG | took him 5 minutes, not sure why he didn't shorten it |
| 14:06.40 | djszapi | hiemanshu: why ? What is wrong about Venemo did ? |
| 14:06.44 | djszapi | I think it was cool. |
| 14:06.46 | mikhas | so that you can be as productive as you want |
| 14:06.53 | mikhas | and leave the UX to those who enjoy it |
| 14:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | mikhas: thanks for that :-D just the main purpoae of terminal is to trigger aegis selfdestruction |
| 14:07.21 | mikhas | MohammadAG, but those are Apple users, does not compare! |
| 14:07.34 | hiemanshu | djszapi: you didn't get the phun :P |
| 14:07.50 | djszapi | hiemanshu: hard without smiley :p |
| 14:07.56 | kimju | with touchscreen devices, you are not supposed to type anything. url etc should be *bought* as bookmarks from the app store ;) |
| 14:08.05 | hiemanshu | djszapi: heh yeah |
| 14:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | mikhas: terminal is the text adventure verson of mineswiper |
| 14:08.30 | hiemanshu | which is why you need fennec and bookmark syncing |
| 14:08.48 | djszapi | rekonq! :) |
| 14:09.16 | hiemanshu | gah, I need to package opencv |
| 14:09.40 | hiemanshu | which means, learn to package without the SDK as well |
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| 14:10.38 | djszapi | that is not an easy package to get it working on Harmattan |
| 14:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: hehehe |
| 14:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: good one |
| 14:11.25 | mikhas | the SDK also packages incorrectly |
| 14:11.27 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I have it compiled, and well ready to deploy |
| 14:11.36 | mikhas | completely unusable for libraries |
| 14:11.56 | mikhas | even though you say "library template" in your qmake project files |
| 14:12.00 | djszapi | hiemanshu: that does not mean it is simple to package, just take a look at the dependencies on the debian site.. |
| 14:12.22 | djszapi | mikhas: well, the problem starts by qmake... ;) |
| 14:12.43 | hiemanshu | djszapi: most of them are optional, it compiled without an extra deps via scratchbox |
| 14:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: but does it LOAD? |
| 14:13.20 | djszapi | hiemanshu: I do not think that is a nice of packaging if you eliminate as much as you can |
| 14:13.34 | djszapi | it is good for local quick test, but as for a widely used community package..it is no-go imho |
| 14:13.38 | hiemanshu | djszapi: yeah, I am working on adding everything |
| 14:13.53 | hiemanshu | djszapi: well I am going one by one, patching files that need patches |
| 14:14.02 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I need to package it to know that |
| 14:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 14:14.38 | hiemanshu | djszapi: makes more sense to go that way so you know, I know what plugin has the problem, but the core functionality works |
| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's rather cosy how we are protected from ourselves on this platform ;-P |
| 14:15.40 | djszapi | hiemanshu: I think it is just waste of time in normal case..but if you need something working asap without patience, it might be better yes. |
| 14:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | but hey, when installing packages gets boring, try terminal minesweeper adventure |
| 14:16.04 | kimju | DocScrutinizer, what's wrong with terminal? |
| 14:16.13 | hiemanshu | kimju: what isnt? :P |
| 14:16.24 | kimju | missing copy-paste sucks. |
| 14:16.35 | kimju | but otherwise it works for me |
| 14:16.40 | mikhas | kimju, in backlog |
| 14:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: [2011-07-31 21:28:21] <DocScrutinizer> I'm going to eventually document on wiki: "aegis is protecting arbitrary files from editing/deleting/renaming/chmod. You have no means to know if a file is protected that way. Touching such a file will possibly result in bricking and need for a reflash of complete system. That's the situation and you either deal with it or forget about harmattan, as nobody is going to do anything about |
| 14:16.50 | kimju | I'm using the latest git version though. |
| 14:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | it to fix this permanent threat" Maybe NOT - CBA |
| 14:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: ^^ |
| 14:17.29 | kimju | oh well.. that's not terminals fault :D |
| 14:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | terminal just missing "New" and C&P |
| 14:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | and somebody already tackling that |
| 14:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise it seems fine |
| 14:19.40 | mikhas | djszapi, if you can find the code for handling focus-out in your ported app, then just send a QEvent::CloseSoftwareInputPanel to qApp->inputContext |
| 14:19.59 | djszapi | mikhas: I was just testing it, it is not my app :p |
| 14:20.11 | djszapi | Venemo's IRC client seems to fit better to me. |
| 14:20.32 | mikhas | :-) |
| 14:23.02 | kimju | DocScrutinizer, on current git version starting multiple terminals works after adding -n to the .desktop file. |
| 14:23.22 | mikhas | kimju, nice |
| 14:23.36 | mikhas | kimju, send a patch |
| 14:23.44 | djszapi | yep, that was fixed, someone posted it last time. |
| 14:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | regarding missing C&P in terminal, it's semi-useless unless at least web browser also learns to c&p in page text |
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| 14:24.03 | mikhas | which is, surprisingly, also in backlog |
| 14:24.20 | mikhas | As if some teams @ Nokia knew what they are doing! |
| 14:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm not going to wget and dissect webpages with example code |
| 14:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: great |
| 14:24.46 | kimju | mikhas, after I get this compiling in obs.. |
| 14:25.19 | mikhas | OBS ⦠that's an upcoming rite of passage for me as well, I fear. |
| 14:29.26 | MohammadAG | djszapi, a touch oriented IRC client works better of course, but a temporary IRC client is fine I guess :P |
| 14:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | regarding the whole UX design and requirements specs I wonder what were the criteria for the selection of the usability testers. Or rather if any usability tests were done at all |
| 14:29.37 | MohammadAG | djszapi, how do I go about making that public repo on OBS? |
| 14:30.24 | djszapi | MohammadAG: sorry ? |
| 14:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | must have been a strict "occasional users only - test duration 3 hours. NO POWER USERS". Otherwise I couldn't see how things like system wide c&p and so many other things slipped thru those tests |
| 14:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | slotmachine datepicker :-( |
| 14:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | well QML at large obviously |
| 14:33.36 | MohammadAG | djszapi, the no QA repo we talked about when I was at the hospital? |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems that's now rzr repo |
| 14:34.35 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I can set you maintainer, just tell me your username there. |
| 14:35.14 | MohammadAG | mohammad7410 |
| 14:35.22 | MohammadAG | but what's rzr? |
| 14:35.28 | djszapi | ok done: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 14:35.35 | djszapi | rzr is a cool guy :) |
| 14:35.55 | npm | has anybody compiled emacs for harmattan? |
| 14:38.27 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 14:38.34 | MohammadAG | how do I upload packages to OBS again? :P |
| 14:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26335#post26335 |
| 14:39.11 | djszapi | MohammadAG: osc or webinterface |
| 14:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's pretty much hidden so I don't find where it was said that this is our "interim community developr extras devel repo" now |
| 14:39.29 | djszapi | MohammadAG: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/new_package?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 14:39.46 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: read the wikipage in the topic |
| 14:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | I did, cursory, two or three times |
| 14:40.11 | djszapi | seems it is not enough for you... |
| 14:40.15 | MohammadAG | what's the difference between title and name? |
| 14:40.26 | djszapi | MohammadAG: as for me, nothing same names I put there :p |
| 14:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: >> Community repo / collaborative maintenance : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26335#post26335 << |
| 14:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | is all I see |
| 14:42.05 | djszapi | "...There is also a freshly established shared Community Repository for Harmattan that you can find here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan..." |
| 14:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd rather expect a ""<code> echo "deb http://foo.bar/rzr/ free nonfree >/etc/apt/lists.d/community-repo.list </code>"" there |
| 14:44.09 | MohammadAG | djszapi, so after making a project there, do I upload the .changes file? |
| 14:44.32 | djszapi | MohammadAG: please do not make a new project :) Just use the existing shared community repository project |
| 14:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | duh, missing here |
| 14:44.51 | djszapi | MohammadAG: no need for .changes, nope :) |
| 14:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah F5 helped ;-D |
| 14:45.02 | djszapi | just the orig.tar.gz the debian.tar.gz and the dsc file. |
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| 14:46.01 | hiemanshu_N950 | mohammadag, the icon for communi shows up just fine for me, installing libirc and the app in one command works |
| 14:46.53 | MohammadAG | djszapi, that's what I did? |
| 14:47.18 | hiemanshu_N950 | MohammadAG: there is a autocomplete too next to the lineedit, but too small to notice :P |
| 14:48.13 | mikhas | hiemanshu_N950, you can enable "confirm-with-space" in settings |
| 14:48.32 | mikhas | (and use backspace to cancel word candidate) |
| 14:48.52 | djszapi | MohammadAG: you made a new project ? |
| 14:49.02 | MohammadAG | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qfacebook&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 14:49.29 | hiemanshu_N950 | mikhas: but how do i get to settings? |
| 14:49.30 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qfacebook&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan -> just add the files here. |
| 14:49.52 | MohammadAG | what files? .changes / .tar.gz and .dsc? |
| 14:49.54 | mikhas | hiemanshu_N950, from app grid |
| 14:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: what is the recommended way / command to add the https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan repo to the apt "list of repositories" ? |
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| 14:50.54 | djszapi | MohammadAG: 17:45 < djszapi> just the orig.tar.gz the debian.tar.gz and the dsc file. |
| 14:51.15 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: it is documented on the wikipage as well |
| 14:51.21 | MohammadAG | err, non standard way? |
| 14:51.35 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos -> second line |
| 14:51.36 | hiemanshu_N950 | mikhas: errr, i dont follow |
| 14:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I'm blind. |
| 14:51.39 | djszapi | MohammadAG: sorry ? |
| 14:52.30 | MohammadAG | djszapi, the standard way is .tar.gz, .changes and .dsc |
| 14:52.34 | MohammadAG | that's what dput does |
| 14:53.09 | djszapi | MohammadAG: well, nope... |
| 14:53.32 | djszapi | use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and dpkg-buildpackage -S and you will see what the standard way is. The debian site is also a good hint. |
| 14:54.01 | MohammadAG | I've always used dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S |
| 14:55.25 | djszapi | .changes is just a duplication since you already have changelog inside the debian anyway. |
| 14:56.50 | djszapi | The dsc file is also duplication in my opinion. That is just more like a convenient thing so that you can click on it on the web interface. |
| 14:57.31 | djszapi | or actually, not just convenience since it has the check sums. |
| 14:57.43 | hiemanshu | mikhas: ok, so how I do what you want me to do? |
| 14:58.07 | kimju | djszapi, and for multi-tarball packages it lists what you need to get. |
| 14:58.48 | kimju | well, for single tarball too, but more usefull in the multi case |
| 14:58.59 | djszapi | kimju: I did not see more than debian.tar.gz and orig.tar.gz yet |
| 14:59.01 | djszapi | any example ? |
| 15:00.01 | mikhas | I dont want you to do anything =p |
| 15:00.46 | hiemanshu | mikhas: <mikhas> hiemanshu_N950, you can enable "confirm-with-space" in settings |
| 15:02.04 | kimju | djszapi, don't actually remember seeing any yet, but debian source format 3.0 introduced such support. |
| 15:02.53 | hiemanshu | djszapi: http://hiemanshu.fedorapeople.org/harmattan/opencv.tar.gz thats the tar of the core and such, need to package it to work |
| 15:03.22 | djszapi | kimju: yeah, 3.0 format is pretty cool |
| 15:04.24 | djszapi | hiemanshu: sorry, I do not have time till the end of the Desktop Summit to package it :) |
| 15:04.50 | hiemanshu | djszapi: not a problem, I am going to learn to package, will have to do it |
| 15:05.40 | kimju | dh_make is your friend :) |
| 15:05.52 | djszapi | hiemanshu: yeah, what I normally do is to package as debian does with all its dependency. There are some cases, where a dependency does not make too much sense, like selinux and such |
| 15:06.33 | hiemanshu | djszapi: yeah, I am going to look at that once I get everything else working fine in scratchbox |
| 15:06.39 | djszapi | do not forget to use 3.0 source format all the time and disable the tests if it fails in qemu, that is a frequent situation |
| 15:06.41 | hiemanshu | is a debian n00b |
| 15:07.54 | kimju | debian has nice new maintainer guide. |
| 15:07.58 | lcuk | djszapi, did you find somebody for your regexp/ |
| 15:08.11 | kimju | and dh_make is tool to create skeleton for the packaging. |
| 15:09.05 | djszapi | lcuk: yep, I found the regexp mistake, but I do not like regexpS. They are from the dark side :p |
| 15:10.48 | lcuk | djszapi, agreed |
| 15:12.54 | djszapi | someone having experience with mic-chroot ? :p |
| 15:13.04 | npm | "origins of regular expressions lie in automata theory and formal language theory, both of which are part of theoretical computer science" ---> how is that the dark side. |
| 15:13.18 | npm | it's just that as usual ther'es a worse-is-better implementation |
| 15:14.32 | djszapi | "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems." |
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| 15:15.13 | rlinfati | Hi, what means a omap "HS" and a omap "gp" ? |
| 15:15.14 | npm | they had it right long ago... and are beginning to reinvent the wheel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNOBOL#SNOBOL_and_Python |
| 15:15.36 | npm | did an assignment in CS in snobol |
| 15:16.21 | kimju | writing regexps is like preparing a fugu.. you really should know what you are doing :) |
| 15:16.40 | mikhas | I found http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html interesting |
| 15:16.52 | djszapi | lcuk: do you have experience with mic-chroot ? You are a meego expert :) |
| 15:17.06 | mikhas | well, if you find regex hard then better never try haskell ⦠|
| 15:17.34 | djszapi | mikhas: I could not still manage this short "..." :p |
| 15:17.43 | kimju | and as said previously, I like writing perl and regexps.. :) |
| 15:18.01 | MohammadAG | djszapi, so after adding the two files, how do I build? |
| 15:18.12 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I have used it a couple of times, not sure if I can help you though, but fire the question :) |
| 15:18.14 | djszapi | MohammadAG: two files ? I said three ;) |
| 15:18.30 | MohammadAG | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=qjson&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 15:19.16 | djszapi | is there a harmattan-offtopic channel ? |
| 15:19.27 | MohammadAG | yeah, #maemo :P |
| 15:19.29 | djszapi | (mic-chroot is more like that category) |
| 15:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LOL |
| 15:19.59 | MohammadAG | why 3? |
| 15:20.37 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I like separating the debian content from the original...modularization is not bad thing... |
| 15:20.52 | djszapi | provided, that is how the debian tools normally work with non-native packages... |
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| 15:29.13 | djszapi | MohammadAG: Also, it is much easier than having a bunch since that is how it is generated. |
| 15:29.31 | djszapi | with all the checksums nicely and all. |
| 15:29.45 | lcuk | djszapi, s/expert/communicator/ |
| 15:30.04 | lcuk | djszapi, in my testing i could not get the chroot to work as expected |
| 15:30.16 | lcuk | so left it for more advanced folks |
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| 15:42.46 | kimju | lbt, happened again. I uploaded new version, obs started building it, took 45 minutes to setup the build env, then 15 min to successfully build the packege. after printing "build: extracting built packages...", "mg-terminal_0.1.8.1+git-mg2_armel.deb" nothing happened. and after a while, it started building another package on the same worker, my package is still listed as building there and the .deb is not appearing on repo. |
| 15:43.10 | lbt | gah |
| 15:59.27 | Mek | http://heap.kogmbh.net/mek/20110801-175612.png http://heap.kogmbh.net/mek/20110801-175635.png, some simple unit conversion app I'm working on, but right now it supports so many units that the UI gets a bit hard to use... |
| 16:13.37 | lcuk | Mek, simple and too many options do not go together |
| 16:13.42 | lcuk | start literally simple |
| 16:13.54 | lcuk | make it convert a very specific set of items |
| 16:14.10 | lcuk | create the ui flow around that, include pretty qt dials and stuff |
| 16:14.21 | lcuk | (like the set alarm clock input thingie |
| 16:15.42 | lardman | bbl |
| 16:31.53 | ieatlint | can anyone confirm that the n950 does not seem to have 802.11n/5ghz support? |
| 16:32.03 | Stskeeps | it's wl1271, does it have it? |
| 16:34.12 | hiemanshu | it does support n |
| 16:34.39 | ieatlint | from what i can gleam from google, it appears to support 5ghz |
| 16:34.59 | ieatlint | i was unable to see my 5ghz network with the device is all... i'm suspecting it may be a software issue then |
| 16:35.57 | SpeedEvil | Just because the chipset supports n, does not mean it has the required external hardware to do so. |
| 16:36.18 | ieatlint | that's true, may not have antenna |
| 16:36.59 | SpeedEvil | Switches and matching components I was thinking of, the antenna may 'just work' as it's twice the frequency |
| 16:37.16 | ieatlint | i'm under the explicit understanding that the n9 does support it though.. which gives some suggestion that the n950 would |
| 16:37.28 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: my router is running in a mixed mode and it works |
| 16:38.25 | ieatlint | hiemanshu: i run my 802.11n network as 5ghz only, and the 2.4ghz as 802.11abg... it can't see the 5ghz only |
| 16:51.35 | ieatlint | grr, and another day getting burnt by aegis appears |
| 17:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | aiui the 1271 doesn't support 5GHz at all |
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| 17:10.05 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it is deffo the battery o_O |
| 17:10.08 | kimju | yes, only bgn at 2.4GHz, you want 1273 for abgn and 5GHz. |
| 17:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: exactly |
| 17:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry? |
| 17:10.51 | lcuk | boot issue on n950 |
| 17:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: stack error |
| 17:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 17:11.05 | lcuk | the battery is too drained to get far enough to boot |
| 17:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, toldya you may want to use the "new" --charge-battery option of flasher |
| 17:11.52 | lcuk | the battery is too drained to even get to flashable area |
| 17:12.01 | lcuk | i said, that only comes up when connected to wallwart usb |
| 17:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | I gather there's a reason for that new function in flasher, probably it's needed occasionally |
| 17:14.01 | lcuk | i do not see that listed as a command line option |
| 17:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | I've not bothered to check ~flatbatrecover for this device yet |
| 17:14.06 | lcuk | which version of flasher has it? |
| 17:14.14 | lcuk | downloaded and installed it this morning |
| 17:14.33 | lcuk | gary@gary-laptop:~/fm_950$ flasher -V |
| 17:14.34 | lcuk | flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan |
| 17:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG - he pasted the flasher options of *some* harmattan flasher several weeks ago |
| 17:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | aiui there are at least 2 versions, a binary to download directly, and the one inside one-click |
| 17:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | that can get extracted by hitting ^C at right moment |
| 17:15.52 | lcuk | i got the windows oneclick about a week ago |
| 17:15.58 | lcuk | but this flasher is the .deb for linux |
| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: please pester Nokia (service | SDK tema | random) about it. I think they should get to know about what's missing from their "developer kit" and SDK deployment. I'm reluctant to help out |
| 17:20.04 | lcuk | I am just conversing :) |
| 17:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: probably you have to compile some QML app to make the thing charge ;-P |
| 17:22.00 | lcuk | haha |
| 17:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | or learn/discover about some magic aegis spell |
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| 17:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia missed to send me an early prototype to do a free evaluation that would've revealed such issues. They don't like to disclose hw docs either. Now I think it's up to them to get out of the hole they dug for themselves |
| 17:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's a pity though that users/developers like you are falling into that hole as well |
| 17:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 17:27.58 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 17:28.09 | frals | lcuk: connect it to computer via usb, and then start flasher, it will complaing about battery level and start charging |
| 17:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | ...has been entirely investigated by me |
| 17:28.26 | lcuk | frals, |
| 17:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia didn't share a single word about it |
| 17:28.32 | frals | leave it connected and it should trickle charge and after a while it will charge from wall/normaly |
| 17:28.35 | lcuk | the phone does not get far enough to connect usb |
| 17:28.45 | lcuk | i left it on the wallwart last night |
| 17:28.48 | frals | lcuk: just connect usb and plug to charger |
| 17:28.53 | frals | err |
| 17:28.57 | frals | plug to computer, not charger |
| 17:29.02 | frals | and start flasher |
| 17:29.10 | lcuk | it has been left in the pc all day |
| 17:29.12 | frals | iirc it did some magic, but dont quote me on this |
| 17:29.18 | lcuk | flasher just sits idle |
| 17:29.19 | lcuk | waiting |
| 17:30.02 | lcuk | Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... |
| 17:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | repluf |
| 17:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | replug |
| 17:30.37 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, unplugged |
| 17:30.54 | lcuk | replugged |
| 17:31.06 | lcuk | Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... |
| 17:31.32 | frals | guess you can always unscrew the backplate and charge the battery in some other device ;(( |
| 17:31.33 | lcuk | i will try an alternative battery |
| 17:31.39 | lcuk | yeah frals |
| 17:31.54 | lcuk | but I should file a bug against this |
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| 17:32.14 | frals | yea |
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| 17:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 17:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | too late |
| 17:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | there are no patches for HW usually - sth all the SW crowd tends to forget |
| 17:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | I could start wild guessing about what hardware is handling this flatbatrecover and charging at large, in which way, and what might be the problem and the workaround if any. As Nokia refuses to disclose hw details I CBA |
| 17:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | other than my own N900 I'm probably not supposed to do this: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ with the N950, to find out what's inside the blackbox |
| 17:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | even if I did, I wouldn't know enough to even ponder analyzing what's wrong, unless Nokia discloses schematics to me or I'd do this: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Sciphone_Dream_G2#PCB_layers |
| 18:05.09 | lcuk | i just heard it should be possible to use n810 to charge up the battery o_O |
| 18:05.14 | lcuk | grabs screwdrivers |
| 18:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | torx TX4 |
| 18:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't even think about using sth different |
| 18:06.19 | lcuk | "errr little yellow starpoint one" |
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| 18:06.30 | lcuk | technical |
| 18:06.32 | ieatlint | huh, thought it was TX3 |
| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, TX3 *may* work |
| 18:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not dare to try it |
| 18:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | once you ruined one of the screws so TX4 doesn't grip anymore, it's "get the dremel, drill it out" |
| 18:08.09 | kimju | it's torx size 4. |
| 18:08.33 | kimju | fit perfectly. |
| 18:09.01 | ieatlint | sounds like fun |
| 18:09.53 | hiemanshu | yeah, I used a TX4 screw too |
| 18:10.32 | kimju | the battery is not the same as in n810, but it's about 5mm shorter. might fit there, or some other phone using similar batteries. and even get charged. |
| 18:12.34 | hiemanshu | doesn't the N8 have a BL 4D |
| 18:12.55 | hiemanshu | IIRC even the N97 mini has one |
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| 18:14.00 | lcuk | hiemanshu, theBL-$D - is that what s in n950 and n8? |
| 18:14.11 | lcuk | if so, i will swap them and use n8 to charge it up |
| 18:14.21 | hiemanshu | lcuk: yeah, the N950 has a BL-4D |
| 18:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-4d/compatibility |
| 18:15.30 | hiemanshu | lcuk: I could unscrew if you want me to double check the battery |
| 18:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: see link ^^^ |
| 18:16.07 | lcuk | hiemanshu, unscrew what? |
| 18:16.16 | hiemanshu | lcuk: the N950 |
| 18:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | N8 I guess |
| 18:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | the N950 *has* BL-4D |
| 18:17.29 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I know the N8 and the N97 mini had the BL-4D, and so does the N950 too |
| 18:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | BL-4D fits just fine to N810 |
| 18:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | CBA to test charging, guess it'll work |
| 18:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | BP-4L doesn't fir into N950 ;-P |
| 18:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | fit* |
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| 18:25.07 | lcuk | confirmed. |
| 18:25.11 | lcuk | battery failure. |
| 18:25.19 | lcuk | with battery from n8, device boots happily |
| 18:25.25 | lcuk | and flasher even sees it |
| 18:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | confirmed: a powered-down N950 doesn't take *any* noticeable (I.E. >50mA) current from USB quite from the start. Needs to bootup to start the "charging" circuit. So quite likely it won't recover from a battery too flat to boot up the hardware to the state where sw-controlled charging could take over - no matter if that's autonomous or by help of a flasher I'd guess |
| 18:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | as a flasher also only could talk to SW to do anything about charging |
| 18:29.39 | SpeedEvil | Eeek. |
| 18:29.42 | ieatlint | so we need to keep an n8 around to recover batteries? |
| 18:30.08 | SpeedEvil | It would be iteresting to veryify - discharge battery to 2.V |
| 18:30.14 | SpeedEvil | 2.7 |
| 18:30.40 | dm8tbr | I can do that in the interest of science ;) |
| 18:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: or N810, yes |
| 18:31.09 | ieatlint | stay classy, nokia |
| 18:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lcuk actually just verified it |
| 18:31.13 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:31.14 | dm8tbr | just need to find me some nice resistor in the lab |
| 18:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Missed that. |
| 18:31.21 | SpeedEvil | nvm then. |
| 18:31.51 | ieatlint | thinks fondly of openmoko |
| 18:31.56 | dm8tbr | although I know of people who had 'dead' devices and managed to get them back using -Owait-charging |
| 18:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 18:31.58 | lcuk | hiemanshu, DocScrutinizer thanks for letting me know battery alternative devices |
| 18:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 18:32.45 | SpeedEvil | is depressed at how many echos of Openmoko there have been in Nokia. |
| 18:32.54 | dm8tbr | btw: just to jumpstart the battery any nokia phone where you can make contact (even if the battery sticks out weird) should be fine |
| 18:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: even while I reduced my plans about N9(50) to maybe 20% of the original list, I still feel I can help on those issues where I clearly excel |
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| 18:45.10 | lcuk | n8 is flashing charge indicator at me, the n8 manual specifies this is low charge situation |
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| 18:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :-D seems N8 is better at flatbatrecover discipline |
| 18:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | you know which cpu/SoC the N8 is using? |
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| 18:51.18 | lcuk | nope |
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| 19:23.32 | RST38h | hey, anyone knows how I can switch a theme on n950? |
| 19:25.05 | mikhas | gconftool-2 -s /meegotouch/theme/name -t string "base" |
| 19:25.37 | RST38h | mhm |
| 19:26.01 | mikhas | what, you will refuse to use gconf? |
| 19:26.17 | mikhas | it also switches the theme for Qt Component based apps |
| 19:26.27 | mikhas | *if* they use theme daemon (which is the default I think) |
| 19:28.49 | RST38h | mghm...did not help |
| 19:29.24 | RST38h | I am trying to run qtcomponents examples and getting this: http://pastebin.com/FPmcH9cm |
| 19:29.37 | RST38h | It is driving me crazy.Anyone able to tell what I am missing? |
| 19:30.55 | mikhas | are you running it on the device? |
| 19:31.12 | RST38h | yes |
| 19:32.01 | mikhas | hum ⦠is the theme daemon up and running? |
| 19:32.28 | RST38h | guess so, what is the process name? |
| 19:32.52 | mikhas | mthemedaemon |
| 19:33.32 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.32 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.32 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.40 | RST38h | running |
| 19:33.47 | mikhas | anything in the logfiles? |
| 19:34.18 | mikhas | the error could mean that app and theme daemon run in different graphics modes |
| 19:34.22 | mikhas | which is not supported |
| 19:34.39 | mikhas | and theme daemon runs in OpenGL + MeeGo GS hybrid mode |
| 19:34.58 | kimju | any pointers how to force software not to rotate with the device? |
| 19:35.30 | RST38h | mikhas: ok. so how do I force qmlviewer into the same mode? |
| 19:35.39 | mikhas | AH! |
| 19:35.42 | mikhas | qmlviewer :-D |
| 19:35.50 | mikhas | you forgot to mention that! |
| 19:36.07 | RST38h | hmmmm |
| 19:36.17 | mikhas | dunno, try qmlviewer -graphicssystem meego |
| 19:36.22 | RST38h | ahhahaaa!!! |
| 19:36.22 | mikhas | but I doubt it works |
| 19:36.40 | mikhas | qmlviewer is kind of unsupported if you want to use Qt components |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~/MyDocs$ qmlviewer -graphicssystem meego main.qml |more |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | Qml debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment! |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | Using the meego graphics system |
| 19:37.28 | RST38h | Valid eglHandle received but not running with meego compatible graphicssystem. |
| 19:37.35 | RST38h | ... |
| 19:38.05 | mikhas | no that looks as if qmlviewer switches back |
| 19:38.24 | mikhas | really, write those 10 lines of C++ instead |
| 19:39.11 | mikhas | RST38h, https://gitorious.org/testdef/testdef/blobs/master/testdef/main.cpp |
| 19:39.41 | mikhas | (you might not want to copy the resource system hack) |
| 19:40.10 | RST38h | yea |
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| 20:01.10 | mikhas | why does this idiotic Madde crap try to do its own packaging when a perfectly valid debian packaging setup already exists?! |
| 20:01.44 | mikhas | I hate the attitude when tools assume they always know better than the user. |
| 20:05.57 | kimju | and all tools seem to be broken in one way or another.. |
| 20:06.23 | kimju | todays offenders: qmake and obs. |
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| 20:16.11 | djszapi | lcuk: did you learn the mic-chroot tool in the last few hours ? :p |
| 20:16.38 | djszapi | kimju: what is wrong about obs ? |
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| 20:18.05 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 20:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | lo lardman |
| 20:18.29 | lardman | hey Doc |
| 20:18.53 | lardman | anyone know what the summary screen is called officially and whether there's an api? |
| 20:18.53 | kimju | djszapi, builds package but then leaves the package in "building" state for hours (6h currently) and doesn't put the binaries into the repo. |
| 20:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall I posted some hints for you when you were gone, some day(s) ago. Did you notice? |
| 20:19.25 | djszapi | kimju: ohh it has been like that for ages, not just today :p |
| 20:19.41 | djszapi | :( |
| 20:19.42 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: no, I'll check the logs though |
| 20:20.17 | lardman | if only you'd asked infobot to remind me ;) |
| 20:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | actually somebody suggested that and I answered "he wouldn't probably notice the difference" |
| 20:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | alas I can't recall the exact wording so you could search in chanlog |
| 20:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | and I completely forgot what it was all about |
| 20:22.55 | lardman | lol |
| 20:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, but I said sth like "and lardman is still in this channel, just afk obviously. So infobot wouldn't notice him joining" |
| 20:25.28 | kimju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.31 | kimju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.33 | kimju | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.38 | kimju | meh.. nice and portable code. |
| 20:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah |
| 20:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | if (size().width() < size().height() ) { obviously was way smarter |
| 20:28.28 | mikhas | until you hit a device where the physical screen width in landscape mode is smaller than height |
| 20:28.44 | kimju | this is meego-terminal |
| 20:29.00 | lardman | wishes FF highlight colour was still easily-visible-when-scrolling-page yellow |
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| 20:29.22 | mikhas | kimju, fix it ;-) |
| 20:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | mikhas: define landscape mode |
| 20:30.09 | mikhas | above check seems to rely on pixels |
| 20:30.14 | kimju | mikhas, I'm trying to find out way to get this stay in landscape mode, regardless of the device orientation. |
| 20:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, yes, that's a flaw |
| 20:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | *should* also take resolution into account, to get real screen dimensions rather than number of pixels |
| 20:31.52 | mikhas | kimju, terminal is MTF, so here you go: http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/mtf-old/mtf/class_m_window.html#a3ca02094bac3bf7b66a7f3244d8b4089 |
| 20:32.18 | kimju | oo. thanks! |
| 20:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | tries to figure a 4:3 display that has 480/line and 512 lines |
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| 20:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | even 320/line? |
| 20:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 20:33.27 | kimju | DocScrutinizer, note that the display might not have the same aspect ratio as the whole device. which one is going to be the defining factor? |
| 20:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | hah, interesting point |
| 20:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think the landscape of N9(0|5)0 will suddenly get called portrait when you slide out the kbd to change the formfactor of the case |
| 20:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Consider subpixel lies too. |
| 20:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: so in my book I'd say it's always the screen aspect ratio that defines landscape / portrait status |
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| 20:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | imagine a palm pre alike device with a long kbd and a small 16:9 screen above it, wider than high. Now you turn this pre so the whole device sits on right long side, and the screen is higher than wide - you'd call this landscape? |
| 20:41.18 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: I've given up searching the logs, but was this what you linked? http://www.d-pointer.com/solutions/libharmattaneventview/ |
| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe the whole thing was about inotify? |
| 20:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | ...and you noticed it already? |
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| 20:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-07-30.log.html#t2011-07-30T23:43:06 |
| 20:47.10 | lardman | yes I saw the inotify stuff, mgedmin was also discussing iirc, thanks to both |
| 20:48.05 | lardman | I've kept that Qt-based and just use a QTimer to check the size of a QImage created from the file in question, once it's not null, I proceed |
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| 21:23.59 | lardman | any ideas on how to get a pro file to build a binary that is not under /usr/local/ ? |
| 21:24.30 | lardman | I was assuming qmake PREFIX=/usr |
| 21:26.28 | djszapi | INSTALLPREFIX=/usr ? |
| 21:26.53 | kimju | \o/ - working menu entry in meego-terminal to force it to stay on landscape/stay on portrait/follow device orientation |
| 21:28.02 | djszapi | mmh, PREFIX should do the trick. |
| 21:28.24 | kimju | next up, enabling/disabling the special key input bar. |
| 21:29.07 | mikhas | kimju, grep for MInputMethodState |
| 21:29.25 | djszapi | lardman: use cmake and -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr :p |
| 21:29.47 | lardman | for Qt stuff djszapi ? |
| 21:30.15 | djszapi | yup |
| 21:30.27 | lardman | hmm, ok |
| 21:30.41 | lardman | it is possible with qmake though, as I've done it before |
| 21:31.00 | djszapi | http://klatexformula.sourceforge.net/klfwiki/index.php/User_Manual:Qmake_compilation_options |
| 21:31.02 | lardman | doesn't like being defeated |
| 21:33.34 | lardman | ah, needed to edit the pro file |
| 21:34.25 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.25 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.27 | djszapi | I think qmake is one serious weakness of Qt. |
| 21:40.04 | mikhas | wow, Madde really tries hard to be stupid |
| 21:40.13 | mikhas | debian/tmp/home/michael/local/qt-sdk/Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-meego-arm-sysroot-1122-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/features/miniature-game.prf |
| 21:40.21 | mikhas | this is where it puts the prf file |
| 21:40.36 | mikhas | as if that would match the directory structure on the N950 |
| 21:41.05 | djszapi | it reminds for scratchbox :) |
| 21:41.16 | djszapi | * me |
| 21:41.22 | djszapi | There are also things like that over there. |
| 21:41.24 | mikhas | it is |
| 21:41.30 | mikhas | that is the insane part about it |
| 21:41.43 | mikhas | they wanted to get rid of sbox ⦠by wrapping it with a dumb tool |
| 21:42.16 | djszapi | I could never really managed in scratchbox to find the right FindFooBar.cmake module since it puts into some heuritics place inside the debian folder :/ |
| 21:42.34 | mikhas | well, I actually get along with sbox |
| 21:42.46 | mikhas | that's why Madde's stupidity is extra harsh for me |
| 21:42.54 | mikhas | productivity killer |
| 21:43.06 | mikhas | and I only try to get it to work because it comes with that Qt SDK |
| 21:43.19 | djszapi | ohh it is just one small example of the scratchbox things, but already annoying |
| 21:43.23 | mikhas | so that others (not even me!) can compile my project |
| 21:43.35 | djszapi | the perl situation is even much worse. |
| 21:45.38 | djszapi | but it is also true for the whole qemu emulation and others. |
| 21:47.47 | djszapi | I could never build a package with few or more test cases inside scratchbox without force disable of the test runs, which is ... not nice :) |
| 21:47.51 | mikhas | and of course, debian install files dont allow for regex |
| 21:47.58 | mikhas | hate hate hate |
| 21:48.03 | djszapi | they do ? |
| 21:48.10 | mikhas | really? |
| 21:48.13 | djszapi | really. |
| 21:48.24 | mikhas | *.prf did not work |
| 21:48.32 | mikhas | to match above |
| 21:48.42 | djszapi | that is not because of regexp is forbidden |
| 21:48.54 | djszapi | well, I always use wild cards for version things for instance. |
| 21:48.59 | djszapi | so versions. Always worked. |
| 21:49.53 | mikhas | the debian manual doesn't think it is important to tell me what kind of regex it uses |
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| 21:52.17 | djszapi | well, I use what is used by bash things, like grep, find and so forth |
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| 21:55.45 | lardman | so how do I add extra files to a package with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 21:55.53 | lardman | e.g. headers |
| 21:56.02 | lardman | even better, how does one create a -dev package? |
| 21:56.19 | djszapi | lardman: add an entry in the control file and create the relevant install file |
| 21:56.40 | lardman | ah, control file was the missing link |
| 21:56.45 | lardman | thanks djszapi |
| 21:57.29 | djszapi | you can also play with symbols file, if there is a need for that, but I would avoid that, if you do not have that much time :) |
| 22:00.27 | lardman | nah, just need to package up some headers into a -dev package |
| 22:01.22 | djszapi | lardman: are you familiar with rpm packaging, btw ? |
| 22:01.49 | lardman | nope |
| 22:06.59 | lardman | oh I do hate packaing |
| 22:07.02 | lardman | hmm# |
| 22:07.08 | lardman | I hate packaging |
| 22:07.30 | lardman | added entry to control file, added .install file matching that name, no package |
| 22:08.01 | djszapi | what did you run then ? |
| 22:08.11 | djszapi | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
| 22:08.16 | lardman | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 22:09.14 | djszapi | show the control file ? |
| 22:09.59 | lardman | hmm, I may be wrong, I have a package but no temp dir created under debian |
| 22:10.05 | lardman | I may hve spoken too soon |
| 22:11.38 | lardman | nope, just the docs included in the -dev package |
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| 22:16.12 | leinir | gah... QSoundEffect(pulseaudio): Error decoding source |
| 22:16.29 | kimju | hmm, I don't see any way to hide the toolbar in docs, only unregister it completely. |
| 22:21.04 | mikhas | lardman, does your qmake project file INSTALLS += target ? |
| 22:22.56 | lardman | yes mikhas it does |
| 22:23.25 | lardman | do I need to add another target? |
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| 22:26.50 | lardman | What I never understood is how one goes from the *.install file paths to the actual build tree paths |
| 22:26.57 | lardman | or is it just vey intelligent? |
| 22:27.03 | lardman | very |
| 22:29.09 | lardman | laptop battery about to run out, seems like a good time to head for bed |
| 22:29.11 | lardman | night all |
| 22:29.14 | djszapi | lardman: it is much of difficult mapping..You are basically just deciding what to really install. You can overwrite the paths and such, but normally it is really straight-forward |
| 22:29.22 | djszapi | * not much of .. |
| 22:29.37 | lardman | djszapi: will have a chat to you tomorrow if you're about |
| 22:29.56 | lardman | as it's not working for me atm |
| 22:30.05 | djszapi | sleep well :) |
| 22:30.06 | lardman | anyway must head off before battery dies completely |
| 22:30.08 | lardman | night! |
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| 23:09.10 | seif | still no new on the next updatE? |
| 23:10.23 | djszapi | seif: maybe the end of september |
| 23:10.43 | seif | djszapi, so notwitter support coming out ? |
| 23:10.46 | djszapi | or october, but it is just a guess work |
| 23:10.57 | djszapi | sorry ? |
| 23:12.19 | seif | my harmattan on n950 does not support twitter accounts yet |
| 23:13.14 | djszapi | I am not sure I can talk about what it will support, sorry ... |
| 23:13.53 | djszapi | mmm, since I can use my N9 outside with PR image..well, it certainly has twitter. |
| 23:14.26 | djszapi | seif: I think it is not a big deal to get it working though. |
| 23:15.14 | seif | yeah my pr image is for n950 |
| 23:15.28 | seif | i wanted to know if there is an image update soon |
| 23:18.41 | djszapi | I think they will ship one with the release. Someone linked a page today here with the date, September for that |
| 23:21.16 | djszapi | but it is just guess-work :) |
| 23:36.03 | rm_you | hrm |
| 23:36.21 | rm_you | so rebooting didn't fix my blank call window problem |
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