IRC log for #harmattan on 20110808

00:11.23GeneralAntillesjavispedro, well, is there a flashy video for the multitouch support?
00:11.27GeneralAntillesDoes it include Mario?
00:11.32GeneralAntillesDoesn't Palm use SDL for games?
00:12.03javispedronothing more flashy than lcuk's boobies test =)
00:15.09javispedroGeneralAntilles: aha, you discovered my master plan, which is to steal the code for an overlaid joystick from any palm homebrew game =)
00:15.21javispedros/overlaid/onscreen
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02:24.29TermanaCalled up DHL. Annoying. My N950 has only been 25km away from me and I still have to wait for it. They've opened up a "trace" with the third party since they were meant to have it to me by the 2nd of August
02:27.15SpeedEvilis still awaiting ship notification of any sort
02:27.42SpeedEvilOn the forumnokia order page - does the state go from 'new order' to 'shipped' or something?
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03:09.45GAN900Yes.
03:09.47GAN900Eventually.
03:10.06GAN900Took a week for most of us.
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03:12.33SpeedEvilKinda expected.
03:12.38SpeedEvilThanks
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03:34.16MohammadAGSpeedEvil, took 3 weeks, qgil had to get involved for me
03:37.01SpeedEvilNot stressing over it yet.
03:37.23SpeedEvilI'll leave it till at least tuesday before I'm refreshing the page every 5 min.
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03:51.37hiemanshuSpeedEvil: your launchpad has been approvedd?
03:52.09hiemanshuoh, already ordered, nice
03:52.31SpeedEvil:)
03:52.46TermanaDHL called me back. DHL girl was flirting with me... anyway, I know where it is now and someone is going to pick it up for me so I'll have it in a few or so hours hopefully
03:53.28MohammadAGDHL girls flirt? nice
03:54.17hiemanshuMohammadAG: anyone desperate flirts, even the girls who drop off pizza at your place
03:54.18TermanaMohammadAG, I should have asked for her number... oh wait maybe I guess I already have it... :p
03:54.52MohammadAGhiemanshu, hmm, it's only guys in IL
03:54.54MohammadAGoh well
03:55.16Termanalol
03:55.32TermanaMohammadAG, it's the guys you have to watch out for
03:55.45MohammadAGTermana, only in AU :P
03:55.53Termanaheh :p
03:56.14MohammadAG7 AM
03:57.17MohammadAGhave to sleep, don't want to/feel like it
03:57.26hiemanshuMohammadAG: hah, I have flirted with so many counter girls or waitress, its fun for a while, but its meh
03:57.55MohammadAGhiemanshu, doesn't work well in IL unless you're sexually confused
03:58.01hiemanshueventually its like, meh, just pick up the sstuff and leave
03:58.12TermanaMohammadAG, aren't you suppose to sleep at night?
03:58.14hiemanshuMohammadAG: hah, yeah I can understand with all the religious laws
03:58.22hiemanshuTermana: sleeping at the exact time is for the weak
03:58.23TermanaIsn't that what people normally do when they do this thing called "sleep"
03:59.33Termanahiemanshu, thinking like that is why your boss pushes you around and makes you stay up late to get things done by deadlines
03:59.43Termana:p
03:59.46MohammadAGhiemanshu, no, I meant it's all guys so unless you're ga... nevermind
03:59.48hiemanshuTermana: I am my own boss, so MEH
03:59.57hiemanshuMohammadAG: ah, makes sense
04:00.04MohammadAGTermana, yeah
04:00.11MohammadAGyou're "supposed" to
04:00.19MohammadAGyou might do something else at night too
04:00.32TermanaBut your much cooler than "supposed to" aren't you MohammadAG?
04:00.45Termana:p
04:01.11TermanaMohammadAG, yeah, I've heard something about that. A lot of noise involved though.
04:01.25MohammadAGTermana, depends what you're doing
04:01.50TermanaI was talking about turning the TV up to it's full volume and playing vidya games what were you talking about?
04:01.51Termana:p
04:02.23MohammadAGo_o
04:04.08hiemanshuTermana: something that you might have never done before?
04:04.09hiemanshuruns
04:12.33Termanahiemanshu, my innocent mind has no clue what you're talking about... :p
04:13.17hiemanshuthat explains a lot
04:14.19Termananasty... :p
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05:40.52alteregoGoat moaning
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06:09.25npmhttp://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube_1_11_1_armel.deb
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06:40.30antman8969looking good npm
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07:32.21djszapiIt seems to be a red one until the reboot
07:32.24djszapiHow can I get the icons working on the application grid right after the installation ?
07:32.31djszapiI guess there is some icon update command or so.
07:32.43djszapiThat I should run from my debian postinstall script.
07:33.22rcgnope
07:33.32rcgafaik the installer takes care of this
07:33.43djszapithere is some bug then
07:34.04djszapiI do remember seeing debian post install scripts running some icon update command on desktop if the packages comes with icons.
07:34.07rcgat least for all my packages i installed either via apt-get or directly via dpkg the debian utils ran some post install stuff which update the menu etc.
07:34.22djszapiohh, so they automated it.
07:34.36djszapiI do not know then.
07:35.00rcgwell.. even on the fremantle that update script was changed to a noop at some time ;)
07:35.09rcgat least thats my last information ;)
07:35.26djszapimmh, it is interesting then.
07:36.25rcgbut for harmattan all this runs "out of the box".. you should see the corresponding output of the implicit "post install" stuff also on the command line when using apt-get or dpkg
07:37.08djszapiI do not see anything relevant
07:37.38rcgjust a sec.
07:37.51djszapiahh I was wrong, it writes: Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils...
07:38.01djszapihttp://paste.kde.org/107389/
07:38.13rcgyeah.. these are the lines i meant :)
07:41.20djszapiI do not know then, why I need to reboot. I could try out to run the command manually, and see whether it works that way. (I do not know which command to run though :)
07:42.28rcgyes.. thats indeed strange
07:43.24rcgi think i had some problems when my icon files were messed up..
07:45.37rcgnow i use .png icons, install these to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps and refer to the icon in the .desktop file via an absolute path: Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/meepasswords.png
07:47.03rcgi think i also had some issue where the .desktop file got somehow automatically rewritten during the deployment step when deploying via the sdk
07:48.59rcgso its best to double check that the content of your installed desktop file equals the content of your .desktop file in the sdk
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08:17.07lardmanmorning all
08:17.17wazdlardman: woo :)
08:17.18lardmanQt daemon signal handling - do it all in main()?
08:17.22lardmanhi wazd
08:17.33lardmanwhere signal is things like hup and term
08:18.42wazdlardman: I know you're the right guy to ask: is it possible to make a web browser tweak so there will be an option for bookmark to be opened without navigation bar?
08:19.20RST38hmoos at wazd, lardman
08:19.22lardmanwazd: I fear I'm not the right guy to ask :) No idea, sorry
08:19.28lardmanhi RST38h
08:19.44RST38hlardman: why not write and install proper C-based signalhandlers?
08:20.00RST38hthese will not interfere with Qt
08:20.13wazdRST38h: o/
08:20.17lardmanRST38h: yeah that's what I'm going to do I think - all I need to is to produce an orderly shutdown of the photoanalyser daemon
08:20.19wazdlardman: aaaaw :( :)
08:20.23RST38his going to add one for the timer, by the way, Qt timers not running at the requested frequency
08:20.26lardmansorry :(
08:20.40lardmanRST38h: slower?
08:20.46RST38hLooks like some troll busybody "optimized them"
08:20.52RST38hlardman: in my case, faster
08:21.07lardmanoh really, interesting :)
08:21.16RST38hlardman: but based on the discussion I overheard a while ago, they may run pretyt randomly
08:21.34lardmanyeah, the docs say that they won't be fast, but may be slow afair
08:21.45RST38hlardman: because these guys now gather timers into groups "for efficiency", while allowing for jitter
08:22.25RST38hlardman: the correct way would be to let th edeveloper supply desired maximal jitter value, but I have not found this feature in Qt
08:23.27lardmanRST38h: yeah, but I guess the assumption is that the dev doesn't need very high accuracy and that they also don't want too much complexity
08:23.53lardmanas you say, would be good to get access at a lower level, or at least some explanation of how it works without needing to dig through the Qt main source code
08:24.14lardmanQExactTimer or somesuch perhaps?
08:25.03djszapircg: ahhhhh
08:25.08djszapiso you are using absolute path ?
08:25.21rcgyes
08:25.28djszapimmm
08:25.37rcgdon't ask me why.. though, i assume i had a good reason to do so ;)
08:25.45djszapiI am just using the icon name actually.
08:25.54djszapiI do not think absolute path is a good idea...
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08:27.18rcgwell.. as said.. _usually_ i would have had a good reason to do this.. though, i am that busy at the moment that i hardly remeber what i did last monday
08:27.54smokuhow do I add harmattan build target to COBS project?
08:28.33djszapithere is a link at the top of the add page
08:28.46djszapiand then choose armvel7
08:29.13smokuhttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/add_repository_from_default_list?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aentertainment  this page?
08:29.36djszapipick one via advanced interface.
08:30.22djszapiWhat is the way of building tableview with a c++ model in QML ? The issue is that there is actually no tableview element
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08:31.20smokudjszapi: with advanced interface I can select MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project (autocompleted), but once I select it, the Repository list is empty
08:31.35djszapino
08:31.52smoku(the edit field should change to the dropdown list, but it doesn't)
08:32.17djszapinot really, no
08:32.23djszapiyou have an architectures selection
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08:33.44Venemogood morning guys :)
08:33.52Venemohello djszapi
08:34.17djszapismoku does it work ?
08:34.21djszapiVenemo hi
08:34.40djszapiabout qt quick listview limitations: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/
08:34.54smokuI do have an architectures selection
08:35.03smokubut the repository list is not there
08:35.06smokusee http://oi56.tinypic.com/vgkccw.jpg
08:35.14lardmanfollows http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/unix-signals.html
08:35.52djszapismoku: choose the architectures I said ?
08:37.28smokuso i clicked "Add repository" and got the message "Build targets were added successfully" and nothing, I still don't have harmattan in Repository Configuration screen
08:38.25smokudoes anyone know what repositories are valid for MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project? maybe if I enter one manually it will work?
08:38.42djszapiI do not understand your problem
08:39.07lardmanis happy to see that Debian packaging will automatically install init scripts, good
08:39.19djszapiexcept that they are not valid....
08:39.26djszapisince harmattan uses upstart...
08:39.30djszapiso it is a very bad thingy...
08:39.32lardmanhmm
08:39.43lardmaninit.d is extant though
08:39.59djszapiharmattan uses upstart period
08:40.02djszapiuse /etc/init/apps/
08:40.17djszapismoku: just add it seriously
08:40.22djszapiand you can start adding packages...
08:40.22lardmanthanks djszapi
08:40.25djszapido not complicate it over :)
08:40.29lardmandoes some Googling
08:41.04kimjualso, if writing upstart jobs, see thread at maemo-developers: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-August/028528.html
08:41.32smokudjszapi: OBS needs three things to configure a build repository:  project to build for, repository in that project (usually 'standard') and a name for build repository (+ architectures to build for in the new repository)
08:41.46djszapiso what ?
08:41.47lardmandjszapi: does dh_installinit handle this?
08:41.47Venemo~seen rzr
08:41.48infobotrzr <~RzR@rzr.ww7.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 49m 13s ago, saying: 'as someone a backup of win7 ?'.
08:41.49kimjuthe messages from Tuomo Tanskanen contain needed info..
08:42.06djszapilardman: well, nope
08:42.08smokudjszapi: my problem is that it looks like there is a project 'MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan' configured on COBS, but it does not have any repositories configured
08:42.11lardmanthanks kimju
08:42.17djszapibut I have one example package if you are interested in that...
08:42.28djszapismoku: what ?
08:42.42djszapismoku: sorry, I think you overcomplicate
08:42.52lardmandjszapi: I just saw this and wondered if our version supported these options: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man1/dh_installinit.1.html
08:42.53djszapifill out the input fields with data whatever you want.
08:43.01djszapichoose armv7el as I said.
08:43.05djszapiand be happy
08:43.07djszapiperiod
08:43.24smokuit does not work
08:43.31djszapilardman: you also want to eliminate the old init script
08:43.34smokuit does not add a repo to my project
08:43.46lardmanyeah I will do
08:43.48djszapiI have never seen anybody not working
08:44.19smokumaybe cobs is borked again :/
08:44.24djszapiI do not think so
08:44.27djszapiseems a pebkac to me
08:44.48smokucould you verify that it works for you at this moment?
08:44.53djszapiI have just tried to add a new one on my two laptops in front of me, worked oob...
08:45.39djszapiIt is a bit sad, we do not have proper TableView support in QtQuick 1.1
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08:49.02smokuok. it started filling the Repository field now with the name (It's MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard) and I could finally add a repo
08:49.20smokuthanks to whoever fixed it :)
08:51.20Venemodjszapi, so, you said that you'd use telepathy-idle. could you please tell me what advantages it has?
08:53.43djszapismoku: you fixed it for yourself by doing well ?
08:53.52djszapiVenemo: nope sorry
08:53.59djszapiI am making video recording at the desktop summit
08:54.05djszapikinda busy :)
08:54.20lardmanis the aegis-exec stuff required in a 3rd party upstart script?
08:54.41djszapidepends on the use case
08:55.24djszapiVenemo: one advantage is that a whole company is behind that
08:55.29djszapinot a leisure time stuff
08:55.45djszapiand well...telepathy is targetted these use cases.
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08:58.00wazdthp: hehe, awesome posts :P
09:02.03lardmananyone got a link to how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in both a Qt pro file and the debian/rules?
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09:12.58MohammadAGlardman, see the wiki page on porting applications to harmattan for the pro file part
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09:14.59rcgwazd: i do not mean to be a smartass.. but i assume you mean "hard working" instead of "hardly working" in your forum post: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4067&page=7
09:17.15wazdf*ck, yep :D
09:17.20wazdSorry for that :)
09:18.07wazdme inglish is steel rather pur :D
09:19.17rcgwell.. np.. i just thought that in this context it might be worth to bother you with that ;) .. well, if i think about this the typo should be quite obvious in that conext anyhow :)
09:20.15wazdyeah, thanks for that :)
09:21.17rcg:)
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09:25.48thpwazd: :)
09:35.18cpscottihey people, anyone using/used the QML map component out there? Apparently the zoomLevel (http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qml-map.html#zoomLevel-prop) property can only hold integers.. pretty rubbish! Am I missing something?
09:37.51RST38hIt is zoom level, not zoom ratio
09:38.26RST38hBasically sets the level in the hierarchy of qudtrees from which you will get your map tiles
09:41.54lardmanMohammadAG: ah yes, thanks for reminding me
09:42.28MohammadAGif only we could write our own vibra patters for the N9/50
09:43.56lardmanMohammadAG: is the "final SDK" out yet, or do we still need to define our own?
09:44.18MohammadAGnope, not out yet afaik
09:46.09lardmancool, thanks
09:46.35lardmanwonders why the define is MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN rather than Q_WS_something
09:46.52lardmanI guess WS is for window server
09:47.24Venemowould thing WS is for window system
09:47.40Venemosuch as, Q_WS_X11
09:48.02Venemos/thing/think
09:48.02lardmanyeah, but interesting that we have Q_WS_Maemo_5
09:48.12Venemosomeone made a mistake
09:48.21lardmanfair enough :)
09:48.26Venemothat should have been Q_OS_MAEMO_5
09:50.06dm8tbrjftr: 08:30:25< veskuh> dm8tbr: I think we are still trying to get (a)GPS also on N950
09:50.12dm8tbrthat is about MeeGo CE
09:50.37MohammadAGanyone good at mtd mounting?
09:50.44Venemomhm
09:51.27lardmanargh, bloody Gnome filemanager
09:51.52lardmancan't open a .desktop file for editting and when I try to tack .txt on the end it decides to tack another .desktop on the end
09:52.00lardmangrumble grumble
09:52.02lardmanvi it is
09:53.34cpscottiRST38h, yeah, I imagined something like that.. The prob is that as far as "the user" is concerned, that's a pretty bad zoom..
09:54.17cpscottiRST38h, I guess we need like two "levels" of zoom, on just changing the object's scale and then when that gets too big/small, changing the zoomLevel
09:54.40RST38hWell you are not supposed to present this to the user as zoom
09:55.16RST38hBecause it is "zoom" in Google Maps sense not in real magnifier sense
09:56.16MohammadAGno one?
09:56.22MohammadAGI need to mount a rootfs.jffs2
09:57.15lardmandoes one need to use invoker in a .desktop file exec line?
09:57.33cpscottiRST38h, yep.. that's what I'm working on.. let's see how it goes (I'm putting a big map inside a Flickable and then reimplementing all that in there.. looks good so far :d)
09:58.05dm8tbrMohammadAG: I think there was a fake mtd kernel module
09:58.40lardmanMohammadAG: instructions here too if that's what you''re after https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image
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10:01.15MohammadAGlardman, on the last step I got mount: /tmp/mtdblock0: can't read superblock
10:01.40lardmanis it actually jffs2?
10:01.46lardmanor is the partition wrong?
10:02.56MohammadAGlardman, same as the N900's rootfs.jffs2, it's actually an UBI image
10:03.07MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554 this should work but
10:03.09lcukmorning guys n gals \o
10:03.10lardmanMohammadAG: I'm afraid I don't know then
10:03.18lardmanmorning lcuk
10:03.31lardmanI've got to go, need to drive Holly into town, bbl
10:03.34MohammadAGI have a custom image that's big, so it says Out of space
10:04.48VenemoMohammadAG, custom image?
10:05.25MohammadAGyeah, made it myself
10:09.12Venemoall right, I'll get back to my IRC client
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10:11.59wazdmeanwhile, some more design brainstorming for you :) http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1108/25/ac24c75e3f0a.png
10:12.03wazdwhat do you think?
10:15.59lcukwazd, ahh a detailed view of today!
10:17.35Venemolcuk, have you checked out the GUI of the to-be-ircclient?
10:17.53lcukVenemo, yes
10:18.26lcukI downloaded the deb antman made
10:18.28Venemolcuk, do you have an opinion about it? or any suggestions? (apart from "finish it already!")
10:18.51lcukthe portrait channel changers look nice with only a couple of chans
10:19.00lcukbut would be frustrating I feel with more
10:19.27Venemoyou mean the sidebar or the dialog?
10:20.31lcuksidebar
10:21.17Venemohow would you make it non-frustrating?
10:22.04Venemobtw, contrary to what I thought at first, the dialog could be a lot easier to use for channel switching than the sidebar
10:22.08lcuki don't know, just add a couple more channels on there and see
10:23.35Venemowell, I understand that it could be frustrating, but it's the least frustrating way that I could think of.
10:24.58lcukfor sure
10:25.06lcukhence add a few more and see how they look
10:25.13lcukwith only 3 it is perhaps
10:25.17lcukit *looks* good
10:25.21Venemoyeah
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10:26.53Venemobut the trouble is, what other way is there which could work well for 10+ channels
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10:39.28rm_worklcuk: yo
10:43.02lcukhey rm_work \o
10:43.08lcukhow are you doing with your n950?
10:43.14rm_workpretty decent
10:43.37rm_workthe phone started working again
10:43.40rm_workwhich is good
10:43.50rm_worklcuk: was the rioting over there as big a deal as people have been making it in the news?
10:45.12lcukdunno, got other things to concentrate on
10:45.51rm_workah
10:49.54Venemowell lcuk, it doesn't get any frustrating with more channels
10:50.06Venemolcuk, it takes a flick + a tap
10:50.18lcukVenemo, small and fiddly flick
10:50.23lcuk== accidental tap
10:51.19VenemoI could help that by making the bar a bit wider.
10:51.35lcukVenemo, it looks nice
10:51.41lcukjust keep with it
10:51.52lcukand see how it works when backend operating
10:52.07Venemoallright
10:52.58rm_workscreenshots of the irc client thing somewhere?
10:54.12Venemorm_work, not any recent ones
10:55.03Venemolcuk, no, I think it is tiresome to flick this thin bar. not to mention that it occasionally triggers swipe to think that it's a swipe
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10:57.48Venemolcuk, also, my finding is that the dialog (which also supports search filtering) works better as the number of channels increase
10:58.17lcukVenemo, irc clients have a channel search which has thousands of channels
10:58.37Venemolcuk, this is not that kind of channel search.
10:58.45Venemolcuk, this is just a searchable list of open channels.
10:59.07MohammadAGI wish the contacts app would have that sidebar scrolling with A-Z sorting when I'm offline with sorting set to by availability
11:04.09TermanaWOOOO. I finally have my N950!!!111!!!oneonetwo1
11:04.15TronicI cannot figure out how to setup Qt Simulator to work with a Harmattan project.
11:04.59TronicI have N9 on Qt Simulator and it works fine on a Meego project but then I won't be able to use the Harmattan widgets.
11:05.04TronicWhat should I do?
11:06.26VenemoTermana, congrats :)
11:06.45VenemoTronic, Qt Simulator is a piece o' crap that can't be used for anything productive
11:08.29TronicSo am I stuck with using actual hardware?
11:10.24MohammadAGTermana, I expect 249 people to start singing by tomorrow
11:11.38Termanalol
11:12.10TermanaIt didn't come with a headset, I have to fish one out of my N900's box :p
11:13.15TronicYou might want to buy a new one, with more buttons.
11:13.48TronicWorks with N950, not with N900 (even though the package claims that all Nokia phones with 3.5 mm jack are supported).
11:14.38TronicNot sure if the N900 headset works with N950, probably does but I never tried.
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11:16.50DocScrutinizermeh, hi again
11:17.18lcukDocScrutinizer, morning!
11:17.30lcukthe /sys branch you mentioned to use the magnetometer
11:17.38lcukit requires root permissions for reading
11:17.46lcukie, a user app cannot directly utilise it
11:17.54wazdTermana: congrats :)
11:17.56lcuktested
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11:18.11DocScrutinizerlcuk: ask aegis
11:18.37lcukDocScrutinizer, general permissions issue
11:18.44lcukdon't think it is aegis?
11:18.47DocScrutinizerlcuk:  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif
11:19.33DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'm only here for chanop purposes and to have a highlight and alarm on "killed aegis"
11:20.14lcukDocScrutinizer, ahhh, I thought you were here to try and improve harmattan
11:20.32DocScrutinizerharmattan with aegis is fubar
11:20.52RST38hDoc: Do you have fireworks set up to fire on that alarm?
11:21.12DocScrutinizeryes, but not automatically
11:21.29DocScrutinizerI love to fire fireworks manually
11:21.38rm_workDocScrutinizer: so you've seriously given up doing anything, because aegis is being mean sometimes? :/
11:21.44DocScrutinizeralso avoids false positives
11:22.23DocScrutinizerI've postponed any development on harmattan to a time when aegis stopped to annoy
11:23.39DocScrutinizerlcuk: ask djszapi about the obsolete idea of "root" on a MSSF system. Your app needs tokens, not root
11:24.37RST38hyea, right
11:24.42RST38ha token, sure...
11:25.39RST38hNo use arguing with these people, just waterboard the way to access the real root from them
11:26.00RST38hBecause, whatever they say, there is still going to be a real root in the system, in order to keep it ticking =)
11:31.20alteregoOooo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrMfuFXFdf8
11:32.37RST38hmust go into a standard handset to become useful
11:32.45alteregoRST38h: sure, :)
11:33.30VenemoDocScrutinizer, in that case, install MeeGo CE on your N950 and begin making USB hostmode for that
11:33.31RST38halso looks very slow, not sure what part is to blame for it though
11:33.42VenemoDocScrutinizer, we will need a suitable OS once Harmattan dies
11:33.46DocScrutinizer(only here...) I also announce the exception of general rule and allow myself to have /ignores on this chan, despite +o
11:34.02alteregoRST38h: it's got it's own crappy OS
11:34.07alteregoBased on Windows CE
11:34.09DocScrutinizerVenemo: that's somewhat my plan, yes
11:34.10RST38hah
11:34.12alteregoI want one to put MeeGo on it.
11:34.14RST38hthat does it
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11:34.25VenemoDocScrutinizer :)
11:34.57alteregoIt does have a composite input, so we could hook in a Nokia, but then, touch screen may be out of the question there :/
11:37.19alteregoOh, it boasts USB OTG, I wonder if it can export a HID interface via that ..
11:37.29alteregoHas WiFi too ..
11:38.31Venemoalterego, what are you talking about?
11:39.27MohammadAGtbh, I find it useless
11:40.23MohammadAGfind this more interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbPF5ZjDpI
11:41.56alteregoNeat
11:42.29alteregoMohammadAG: is that scht downloadable?
11:43.00MohammadAGalterego, not that I know of :(
11:44.04alteregolame
11:44.09alteregoI may give someone an email ;)
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11:51.48trxhow do i make use of the bottom bar (toolbar) without using QML in apps?
11:52.02trxare there any examples anywhere?
11:54.39lcukDocScrutinizer, your observation that magnetometer is blocked by aegis would be true if the sys branch were also not readable by root
11:55.23DocScrutinizerlcuk: on TC systems like harmattan _every_ permission issue is related to the security framework
11:55.50trxnot the aegis again :(
11:55.50rm_worklcuk: i solved a similar problem on 770 with the backlight node not being writable, by adding a script in my postinst to chmod the darn thing, which is possible since at install-time it has root :P
11:55.52trx:P
11:56.05lcuklol rm_work
11:56.21rm_worklcuk: what? it *works* :P
11:56.39lcukhey no complaints
11:56.45lcuktries similar
11:56.48rm_workso, try that :P
11:56.48rm_workyeah
11:56.52DocScrutinizerlcuk: look, if this was a *normal* unix system, I had 2 or 3 suggestions how to tackle the issue in a bets-practice conforming way. Alas on THIS system they are all moot or I simply CBA to find out how to implement them
11:56.53rm_workshould solve it
11:56.54mgedminrm_work, chmod a file in /sys? what happens when you reboot?
11:57.03rm_workmgedmin: i think it stayed
11:57.12mgedminthat's unpossible
11:57.16rm_work<_<
11:57.19rm_workit may have been in /proc
11:57.26mgedminsame virtual thing
11:57.26rm_workyeah that one was in /proc
11:57.28rm_workwell
11:57.30rm_workit worked
11:57.38rm_worklet me see if maybe i added something else
11:57.41DocScrutinizerchanging group of the sysnode in question being just one of those methods
11:57.50mgedminan upstart script to do the chmod on boot?
11:58.00rm_worklooking at my svn
11:58.34DocScrutinizeryou need to change the perissions and ownership of sysnodes at creation time
11:58.46DocScrutinizermeans in driver, or by driver parameters
11:58.52DocScrutinizeror in udev rule
11:59.00rm_workAH yep
11:59.00rm_workhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/debian/advanced-backlight.postinst?view=markup&root=adv-backlight&pathrev=144
11:59.01DocScrutinizerall not accessable thanks aegis
11:59.18mgedminso, how does the Qt Mobility API let apps access the magnetometer?
11:59.19rm_workmgedmin / lcuk: ^^
11:59.22mgedminthrough a system daemon of some kind?
11:59.31mgedminI didn't notice any fancy-shmancy aegis manifests in qmlcompass
11:59.32rm_workyeah i made a service
11:59.39rm_workand added it to rc.d
11:59.57rm_worklcuk: same should work for you
12:00.09mgedminnote that fremantle does not support rc.d
12:00.18rm_workwell yes'
12:00.23rm_workbut same concept
12:00.25mgedminnot sure about harmattan; I assume the same
12:00.34rm_workthis was only for 770
12:00.38DocScrutinizerin fact user processes are simply not supposed to access /sys
12:01.11rm_worki did all sorts of horrible hacks in some of my packages
12:01.33DocScrutinizeryou frequently create a *device* driver for that, that creates a proper /dev/* and mirrors to sysnodes or whatever
12:03.14DocScrutinizeror you have a service (see locationlib) that you access via any means (dbus... whatever) and that service (usually called middleware, or framework) does the access to sysnodes
12:03.45rm_worklcuk: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/brightness-permission?view=markup&root=adv-backlight&pathrev=116
12:03.56DocScrutinizerQtM completely fals on adopting this concept afaik
12:04.02DocScrutinizerfails*
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12:12.56Ronksumgedmin: qtmobility API gets sensor data from sensord
12:17.17rm_worklcuk: i guess there's your answer? sensord?
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12:18.17faenilhi guys :)
12:18.26faenilI'm trying to compile something for harmattan
12:18.31faenilbut I get com.meego not installed
12:18.43faenilI installed Harmattan support in QtCreator
12:21.09lcukDocScrutinizer, rm_work - it is permissions only and you are right that there should be a device.
12:21.36DocScrutinizerI know, but thanks anyway :-D
12:21.39lcukand yes, using qtm for reading is right
12:21.41rm_worklol
12:24.22faenilcan anybody help me?
12:24.30faenilI created wizard harmattan qml application
12:24.57faeniland added Desktop and Harmattan as targets
12:25.09faenilbut it doesn't build for desktop
12:34.29lcukfaenil, qml is not cross platform compatible!
12:34.39lcukwrite a new ux for the desktop
12:36.50faeniloh I see...
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12:37.09alteregoCool, got some nice QML drag&drop stuff now :)
12:37.15faenilqml is not crossplatform compatible...that misses the whole Qt ideal...
12:38.12Venemofaenil, QML is, qt-components isn't.
12:38.27alteregoYeah, don't see any ifdefs in QML ..
12:38.30faenilisn't yet maybe?
12:38.37Venemofaenil, however, it is still 80% compatible between MeeGo and Symbian
12:39.02faenilokay I guess I'll scratch components off :)
12:39.03lcukalterego, what are you tinkering with?
12:39.13faenilI'll receive the N950 in ten days, can't use QEmu till then :)
12:39.17alteregolcuk: hang on, I'm gonna upload a video
12:39.44lcukdrag and drop is something touchscreens are not so great at
12:40.04alteregoThis works well, for what it's designed to do ;)
12:40.06lcuk(try qt creator o na capacitive display, drag new item from toolbar onto ui)
12:40.50Venemofaenil, in fact, since every platform has its own distinct appearance, it's only fair that they have different components.
12:41.13faenilsure it is
12:41.30Venemofaenil, if you want to have one common appearance between platforms, then you can still use about 80% of components (since most platforms have a button or textfield)
12:42.02Venemofaenil, or if you want to ensure 100% cross-platformness, then you should use "pure" QML, but that is so hard that I wouldn't bother with it.
12:42.44faenilbut I don't think wizard qml app is using meego-only components
12:43.35Venemodunno.
12:43.37Venemonever tried
12:44.37alteregolcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/qml-drag-and-drop.mpg
12:49.45lcukalterego, nice, but does that depend upon perfect touchscreen?
12:50.05alteregoNo, why would it?
12:50.34lcuk:)
12:50.35alteregoThat app I'm working on the exo
12:50.53alteregoPress and hold initiates the drag
12:51.05alteregoIt was suprisingly fiddly to get drag and drop to work in QML ..
12:51.38TermanaDoes anyone know an easy way to get the names of the pulseaudio sinks/sources on the N950?
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13:15.27Venemofiferboy, I think that we should forget this idea about the SelectionDialog with a filtering text field.
13:15.45Venemofiferboy, I simply can't find a good way to make it look good with the VKB in landscape
13:15.56Venemofiferboy, I think frals was right and I'll make a sheet for this purpose.
13:17.07fiferboyVenemo: I solved the performance issue by setting a property "filterText" (alias to searchField.text)
13:17.23fiferboyThen I can do model filtering on it - much, much faster
13:17.36fiferboyAnd turning of the preedit text helps too
13:18.35Venemofiferboy, I'm not talking about the perf issue now, but I'd obviously like to have a look at your code :)
13:18.52Venemofiferboy, in landscape mode when the text box is focused, the VKB just covers too much of the screen
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13:21.25fiferboyVenemo: That is a problem with _anything_ using the VKB in ladscape
13:22.01Venemofiferboy, yes. but using "normal" GUI elements, they just resize themselves
13:22.28Venemofiferboy, however the dialog can not do this. not even anchors.fill: parent or height:parent.height or any way, it won't resize itself.
13:22.39Venemothere is also no way to progmatically check for the VKB's presence.
13:22.43fiferboyVenemo: Ah, good point
13:23.00fiferboyI really don't want to use a sheet, though, since I am calling the dialog from a sheet already
13:23.01Venemoit there were, I would just hardcode it to shrink when the VKB is present.,
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13:23.10Venemoa sheet can open another sheet :)
13:23.22fiferboyI was looking for ways to detect when the VKB opened a while back but couldn't find any
13:23.38fiferboyVenemo: I know it can (and I have) but it gets pretty laborious
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13:25.18Venemofiferboy, not necessarily,why?
13:26.21fiferboyIn my program I open a sheet to get to the settings (which already has to be explicitly dismissed), then when I offer a selectiong it will open another sheet (hopefully dismissable by selecting an item)?
13:26.55fiferboyAnd I have call for at _least_ 5 selection dialogs, more depending on the number of entries the user has
13:30.21faenilQtComponents building from sources fails..
13:30.42faenilcomponenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _
13:30.54faenilcomponenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _
13:31.01faenil_cdecl SettingsWindow::~SettingsWindow(void)" (??1SettingsWindow@@UEAA@XZ) refer
13:31.13faenilenced in main function
13:31.16faenilthat's the error
13:31.27fiferboyfaenil: Building from git in scratchbox?
13:31.41faenilbuilding from git with msvc
13:32.16fiferboyIt worked for me in scratchbox five days ago
13:32.29faeniloh but my fault
13:32.39faenilI only build Qt for desktop
13:32.41faenil...
13:32.47faenilthat must be the reason
13:33.48faenilis configure -meego enough to configure for building whole Qt for harmattan?
13:34.14fiferboyfaenil: Check the build steps in debian/rules
13:34.20fiferboyThose the the steps I used
13:34.34wazdnow the only damn problem with weather for harmattan is where to put that goddamn settings button
13:34.49fiferboywazd: In the settings applications?
13:35.36faenilfiferboy: where?
13:36.04wazdfiferboy: hmmmmmmmm
13:36.08Venemofiferboy, hm
13:36.22Venemofiferboy, yeah, I also used a Sheet for settings in memory-game
13:36.51wazdfiferboy: didn't think of that actually :P
13:36.56fiferboyfaenil: qt-components/debian/rules
13:37.05Venemofiferboy, however I noticed that a Sheet still works within its Page's context, so all toolbar items from the page are still visible. so I need to take into account for those buttons' behaviour whether the settings is open or not.
13:37.05faeniloh k
13:37.14faenilI meant compiling Qt, not components
13:37.15fiferboywazd: It makes sense for an application that works like a system app
13:37.20wazdfiferboy: you think it would be user-friendly?
13:37.22Venemofiferboy, so for the IRC client, I'm using a Page for settings.
13:37.42fiferboyfaenil: Ah! Sorry, I'm no help then I gave up building Qt a year ago
13:37.52faenilok
13:37.54faenilthanks
13:38.08fiferboyVenemo: I think I may convert to that (my settings were a lot simpler when I started :) )
13:38.58Venemofiferboy, for example, it looked odd when I opened the menu on top of the settings sheet. so then I made settings close when the menu opens and menu close when settings opens.
13:39.34Venemoalso, starting/surrendering the game while in the settings felt really bad.
13:39.44fiferboyVenemo: Something has happened to sheet in the latest builds too.  Doesn't go to the top of the screen anymore
13:39.58Venemofiferboy, it only goes to the top if it is a "global" sheet
13:40.09Venemofiferboy, if it's owned by a Page, it never does that
13:40.20Venemonot by default anyway.
13:40.27Venemoand I don't use the latest builds.
13:40.58fiferboyVenemo: Ah, maybe that is the issue (although you can set the visualParent it doesn't seem to help)
13:41.18wazdfiferboy: I know that came from the iOS
13:42.57fiferboywazd: The thing I would worry about is whether users would know it is there
13:43.14fiferboyIt _seems_ like a good place, but how will they know to look there?
13:43.15Venemofiferboy, setting the visualParent helped it for me.
13:43.31fiferboyVenemo: To what? The pageStackWindow?
13:43.35Venemono
13:43.37Venemoto the Page
13:43.55Venemowazd, maybe a good solution is to make your settings accessible from both your app and the settings app.
13:44.02Venemonot sure if the API for the latter is documented.
13:44.08wazdfiferboy: yep, that' exactly what I'm pondering about
13:44.26fiferboyVenemo: I think I tried that, and I think it worked with 1.0 but not 1.1
13:44.30fiferboyI will try again, though
13:44.40wazdVenemo: yep, but then the question is still here: where to place that damn settings button? :D
13:45.23fiferboywazd: Have it floating in the middle of the screen pulsating gently
13:46.43RST38halmost got the file selection page done
13:47.06RST38hExcept the fact that QtComponents file list component does not provide data on the file size, modification date, or mime type
13:47.21RST38hAnd the SPARQL Qtcomponent is missing from the device
13:47.27Venemowazd, I place it into my toolbar, but you could also place it into the menu.
13:47.59VenemoRST38h, why don't you write some C++ to handle that
13:48.01fiferboyRST38h: Yeah, I had to write my own model with that information in it :(
13:49.35RST38hVenemo: I can write this completely in C++. Why would I need QML then, though?
13:49.59VenemoRST38h, QML is only good for GUI development, but it sucks for anything else.
13:50.02Venemothis is my opinion.
13:50.11RST38hVenemo,fiferboy: Anyone knows the author of the QML file list component? Maybe we can ask him add these two properties?
13:50.23Venemomaybe we can.
13:50.34Venemoask away in #qt-components or just report a bug for them
13:50.54RST38hVenemo: Well, given that QML is also royal asspain to interface with C/C++, your statement can be rephrased as "sucks for anything"
13:51.09RST38hVenemo; Because let us be honest: an application is rarely "just UI"
13:51.27RST38hgoes to raid #qt-components
13:52.36fiferboyRST38h: Wait, there is an official file list component?
13:52.47RST38hfiferboy: yes :)
13:52.53RST38hfiferboy: funny, isn't it? :)
13:52.58fiferboywonders how he missed this
13:53.08fiferboyRST38h: But lacking in the file info department?
13:53.15RST38hfiferboy: the documentation for this qml stuff is very lacking
13:53.24RST38hfiferboy: yes somewhat
13:57.57wazdVenemo, fiferboy: i thought it would be cool to use that fancy "pull to update" feature http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/1108/ad/418ed965985c.png
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13:58.42fiferboywazd: You pull down and release to update?
13:58.53wazdfiferboy: yep
13:58.57fiferboyI find that useful on, for example, the Android Twitter client
13:59.48wazdfiferboy: yeah, neat trick, I should have thought of that :D
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14:03.13RST38hwazd: BTW, is the OMWeather app for Harmattan already available?
14:03.19RST38hNow I am
14:03.40wazdRST38h: no, but we're working on it atm :)
14:03.41fiferboyRST38h: I have an OBS repo I use for public stuff and a server with debs (but no repo structure) for testing
14:04.03RST38hfiferboy: I need some place to put binary only packages to
14:04.06fiferboyRST38h: Most of my testing work is in gitorious (when I remember to push it)
14:04.20fiferboyRST38h: You could always use dropbox
14:04.34RST38hfiferboy: Was going to create a repo at Komkon, but it looks like FreeBSD isn't the easiest platform to create a deb repo at =)
14:05.07RST38hfiferbot: Oh, I can just use fms.komkon.org but than there will not be way to autoupdate
14:05.46fiferboyRST38h: Yeah, I don't have a way to autoupdate my test apps either
14:06.23wazdRST38h: anyway I want to have something working on 21st
14:09.32RST38hwazd: Same here
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14:09.59RST38hwazd: The AlmostTI thing is working nicely BTW, but I wanted to ask you to redo the TI84+SE template
14:10.13RST38hwazd: It has got a vertical offset. Doable to fix?
14:13.00Termanabashes head against wall
14:13.28wazdRST38h: sure, I also wanted to remake the main menu
14:13.37wazdRST38h: if you don't mind
14:13.39RST38hwazd: If you fill like it, go ahead
14:13.41Venemowazd, the image loads quite slowly on my cellular connecton
14:13.45RST38hwazd: I am totally ok with it
14:14.07RST38hwazd: Do keep in mind that the top corners are used for exiting menu / exiting app
14:14.19RST38hs/fill/feel
14:14.51wazdRST38h: yep
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14:27.28GAN900RST38h, have your N950 adventures gotten any more productive?
14:27.50fiferboyVenemo: Have you looked as Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged?
14:28.01Venemofiferboy, noooooooo
14:28.12Venemofiferboy, what does it do?
14:28.15fiferboyVenemo: Looks like what we want, but I'm not sure how to correctly access the Screen element in WorkingSelectionDialog
14:28.28fiferboyTells you when the VKB is open :)
14:28.35fiferboyhttp://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-screen.html
14:28.44Venemohmhm :)
14:29.03Venemois there something that tells me the width/height of the screen?
14:29.08fiferboyVenemo: So there is Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged we can listen for
14:29.17fiferboyScreen.displayHeight
14:29.31fiferboy(in 1.1, I think just Screen.height in 1.0)
14:29.47Venemomhm
14:29.57Venemothat solves this
14:30.22fiferboyYeah
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14:30.57Venemofiferboy, there is also Screen.keyboardOpen
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14:31.22Venemobut... I still see no way to make it elegant
14:31.40Venemoin landscape mode, this will still eat most of the screen space
14:32.08Venemoa pity that we can't check for the height of the VKB
14:35.27Venemofiferboy, both Screen.height and Screen.displayHeight is undefined
14:39.10fiferboyVenemo: Yeah, you can't access it through "Screen" but have to use the context property "screen" (and then only within a function or comparison I believe)
14:39.32Venemomeh
14:39.41Venemoit's not good enough
14:39.47fiferboyAlmost a solution :)
14:40.05Venemobut still most of the dialog is hidden... :(
14:40.25fiferboyThat'll be a problem even with a sheet in landscape
14:40.54Venemounfortunately.
14:41.05Venemohm
14:41.15VenemoScreen.keyboardOpen doesn't seem to work
14:41.44fiferboyscreen.keyboardOpen does (within a function)
14:42.05fiferboyWe could do height: (screen.keyboardOpen) ? 100 : 300
14:42.09fiferboyOr whatever
14:42.20fiferboyI guess it would have to be based on oreintation too o_O
14:42.21Venemoyeah
14:42.48Venemoindeed.
14:43.10Venemothe "right" way would be if we could make sure that the dialog's height is the screen's height maybe
14:43.17Venemoand then we could do it with less voodoo
14:43.47Venemoand screen.keyboardOpen tells whether the hw keyboard is open, NOT whether the VKB is open
14:45.37fiferboyYou're right, even though the description clearly states VKB
14:45.42fiferboyMaybe it works on the N9?
14:47.16fiferboyWorks beautifully for hardware KB, though :)
14:47.40Venemoscreen.height and screen.width don't change when the orientation changed
14:48.49fiferboyVenemo: Nope.  And doesn't look like they change when the VKB is up either
14:48.56fiferboy(or do they?)
14:49.08Venemonope
14:49.31fiferboySo basically we are back to no way of knowing if the VKB is showing :|
14:52.45Venemohehehe
14:54.32Venemothis is the 2nd time today when I just lean on Ctrl+Z after I've tried something about this issue.
14:54.52fiferboyJust did that too :/
14:55.16Venemoa Sheet will be the ultimate solution, methinks
14:55.34fiferboyUnfortunately, yes :(
14:58.35tommahow about inputContext.softwareInputPanelVisible and inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect
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15:00.17fiferboyWhat is this magic?!
15:00.22fiferboytomma: You just saved the day!
15:00.31fiferboyVenemo: What toma said works :D
15:01.07wazdsettings, settings, bloody settings...
15:01.24fiferboys/toma/tomma/
15:01.26wazd's starring at the screen :(
15:03.39Venemowut did he say?
15:03.50Venemoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
15:03.57Venemotomma, you've saved the day
15:04.06Venemofiferboy, wanna send me a patch when you're done? :P
15:04.16fiferboyVenemo: Will do
15:04.31fiferboyI also added in the non-predictive text
15:05.04fiferboyBut I have removed the filtering within the dialog itself
15:05.12tommai want to disable window scaling for VKB....
15:05.31Venemohmm?
15:06.00tommawhen VKB opens it my Ui is scaled so it fits in screen with keyboard
15:06.23tommaone way would be using flickabe as container...
15:07.28fiferboytomma: Yeah, flickable is the only solution I have found for that
15:08.34Venemowell, this behaviour is generally good
15:11.16fiferboyVenemo: This is going to be a very messy height statement (dependany on orientation and VKB)
15:12.53Venemofiferboy, what way have you found to take orientation into consideration?
15:13.32fiferboy(inPortrait) ? Math.Min(blahbalhbalh) : 300
15:15.31VenemoinPortrait? is there such a property? :o
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15:20.37vladesthi
15:21.18Venemohi
15:22.43vladestwhere to look for coredumps on n950?
15:23.36mgedmin/home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps, maybe?
15:25.20vladesthmm. empty
15:27.33vladest<PROTECTED>
15:27.50faenildo I need to enable OpenGL manually for qtquick3d?
15:27.53mgedminyou need to run ulimit -c unlimited
15:28.04mgedminand then run your segfaulting app from the same shell
15:28.07mgedminto get a core dump
15:28.08faenilI get "Gl graphics system is not active"
15:28.25mgedminsee http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Developing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Debugging_with_GNU_Debugger
15:29.48fiferboyVenemo: There sure it, and I make good use of it :)
15:30.02Venemofiferboy :)
15:30.03vladestmgedmin: 10x!
15:30.04fiferboyVenemo: But it looks like it only works in pageStack
15:30.09Venemofiferboy, meh.
15:30.15fiferboyVenemo: I'll have to use the screen orientation properties
15:30.48Venemonah, I think I'll forget using SelectionDialog this way
15:31.10VenemoI will later implement a Sheet for searching purposes.
15:31.38fiferboyVenemo: The problem is, a selection dialog *without* a filter works beautifully as a dialog
15:31.47Venemoagreed!
15:31.53fiferboyI want my filterable selections to match the look
15:32.01fiferboyAnd I think we are *very* close :)
15:32.16Venemowell... dunno... I'll use your code when you come up with something.
15:37.34wazdhttp://s001.radikal.ru/i195/1108/a1/59913230a2ee.png <- suggestions? :)
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15:39.00mgedminwazd, *drool*
15:39.11fiferboywazd: I want that now :)
15:39.41CaCO3hi all
15:40.29faenilguys I created a Harmattan wizard app and selected Desktop and Harmattan as targets
15:40.29CaCO3anybody can give me a hint how to get root acces (local or via ssh) on the N950?
15:40.43faenilnow how can I use Qt3D and QtQuick3D on it
15:40.45faenil?
15:40.58faenilwhich dir should I add to include?
15:41.00CaCO3I tried devel-su with rootme, but this seems not to be working
15:41.06faenilit says qdeclarativeview3d.h not found
15:41.19faenilI built both Qt and QtQuick3D from sources yesterday
15:41.36mgedminCaCO3, it should have worked
15:41.42VenemoCaCO3, http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#root
15:41.45mgedminalternative: ssh root@localhost, password rootme
15:42.34CaCO3Tried that as well, get always: permission denied
15:42.52CaCO3Might it have changed when I connected it to Qt Creator?
15:43.02CaCO3As I understand it oses another user: developer
15:43.30mgedminthe SDK connectivity tool uses a 'developer' user account
15:43.49mgedminit doesn't change the root password
15:44.11CaCO3yup, I understand it the same way
15:44.30CaCO3so how can the password be different when I even never gained root access?? :(
15:44.37mgedminhmm... can you check if settings -> security -> developer mode is set to ON?
15:44.46CaCO3yup, its on
15:45.54CaCO3I ssh-ed with developer and can read out the passwd file. Could I retreive the password with jack ?
15:46.06mgedminprobably
15:46.12mgedminwhat does the hash look like?
15:46.17fiferboyVenemo: Sizing dependant on orientation ad VKB is working
15:46.20mgedminoh crap, I can't compare, since I've changed my root password
15:46.39CaCO3root:M/4HfcgwtVA4.:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh
15:46.44mgedmincan you run devel-su as developer?
15:46.46Venemofiferboy, nice :)
15:46.54faenilcan anybody help me?
15:47.21CaCO3yup, but also sais incorrect password
15:47.45fiferboyfaenil: Sorry, I don't know about Qt3D
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15:48.01VenemoCaCO3, reflash.
15:48.27CaCO3hmm, thats an option, but I would like to solve it the hacker way :)
15:48.32fiferboyfaenil: You might want to ask in one Qt channels
15:51.06mgedminCaCO3, that looks like a simple ancient tripple-DES crypt hash that ought to be easy to brute-force
15:51.18mgedmin(although I've never done that myself and can't share experience)
15:51.54mgedminincidentally, can anybody who _hasn't_ changed the root password compare the hash in /etc/passwd with CaCO3's?
15:52.18CaCO3that would be great :)
15:52.38CaCO3I am actually wondering if I could use the one from scratchbox and if it also should be rootme
15:52.47mgedminI wish I knew how to extract the firmware image from the single-click flasher
15:52.51mgedminand then how to mount it
15:53.34fiferboyVenemo: http://pastebin.com/b5377SWU
15:53.52lardmanfor harmattan .pro files, is there a contains() function that can be used to conditionally add elements?
15:53.59fiferboyVenemo: Not much change, actually. Fixes sizing with VKB and performance (but you have to link filterText to a model filter)
15:55.06Venemofiferboy, why did you delete height: visible ? selectorDialog.platformStyle.itemHeight : 0 ?
15:55.31fiferboyVenemo: That is the cause of the performance issue on large lists
15:55.38Venemoheh
15:55.50Venemobut otherwise it will leave empty space
15:56.00Venemoin the place of non-visible items
15:56.09fiferboyVenemo: If filtering in place, yes
15:56.17Venemoaaah.
15:56.30fiferboyI took out the in-place filtering for this version (feel free to just take the sizing changes)
15:56.51Venemoand then how do you filter?
15:57.28fiferboyVenemo: I wrote an accessor function to my filter model (setFilterText) that applies the text
15:57.38fiferboyAnd call that accessor in onFilterTextChanged
15:57.48Venemoso you use a custom model for this purpose
15:58.56Venemofiferboy, oh, something that I've added to mine since then:
15:59.20lardmanthoughts on how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in the debian/rules file?
15:59.37Venemofiferboy, http://pastebin.com/QsWtHDSB
16:00.16Venemolardman, you could use something similar to http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/
16:00.45fiferboyVenemo: I removed the searchField.text = "" because it screwed up the selectedIndex for me (I thought)
16:00.50fiferboyI take it it works for you?
16:01.20lardmanVenemo: I'll take a look, thanks
16:02.24Venemolardman, you should check for something else instead of dpkg origins
16:03.37Venemofiferboy, of course it screws, since your model changes. for me, the model remains the same, the items only become invisible :P
16:04.02fiferboyVenemo: Exactly
16:04.22lardmanVenemo: I guess I could check the output of some file in the fs
16:04.24Venemofiferboy, I'm talking about searchField.forceActiveFocus();
16:04.27fiferboyI guess I could clear it on open for the same affect
16:04.39Venemolardman, yeah, although I don't know of a suitable one.
16:04.40fiferboyVenemo: Yes, I just remembered the other change when I saw that :)
16:04.46Venemofiferboy :)
16:05.15Venemofiferboy, anyway, as I come to think of it, I may remove this addition. since the user doesn't necessarily want to type.
16:05.39fiferboyVenemo: I was just testing and came to this conclusion :)
16:07.22lardmancat /proc/cpuinfo should work as it has hw info
16:07.41Venemolardman, nope
16:07.48lardmanwhy not?
16:07.53Venemolardman, people usually don't build packages on their devices.
16:08.12lardmanoh crap, forgot it was build time not runtime
16:08.29lardmanin which case iirc there's some maemo-version package that installs a file under /etc
16:08.54Venemois there maemo-version in Harmattan?
16:09.32lardmanyeah some equivalent, let me look
16:09.34Venemofiferboy, the height hack works, thank you :)
16:10.33fiferboyVenemo: Excellent!
16:10.56lardmanmeego-nokia-version
16:11.36fiferboyI think it is all working properly for me with the filtering and the height (height could be a bit more elegant, like screen.height - inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect.height
16:12.59Venemoindeed, if only screen.height wasn't undefined.
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16:13.29fiferboyscreen.displayHeight works (I think) in 1.1
16:13.42fiferboyBut it needs to be corrected for orientation :(
16:13.49VenemoI do use QtQuick 1.1 and it does not.
16:14.07fiferboyWell, that's just annoying
16:17.09lardmanI've not seen any changes mentioned to the location of the DBus service files, anyone know of any?
16:17.41fiferboyVenemo: screen.displayHeight works for me
16:17.50Venemohm
16:17.51fiferboyIt returns 480(!) regardless of orientation
16:17.54Venemo:D
16:28.48kimjufiferboy, https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/blobs/master/src_meegotouch/MTermWidget.cpp#line321
16:29.45kimjufiferboy, there seems to be odd hacks for size/orientation here and there..
16:30.09Venemohiemanshu, ping
16:34.26fiferboykimju: That looks like gesture direction based on orientation
16:34.49fiferboyI already do lots of orientation dependant calculations, this just has an extra variable (VKB) to facotr in :)
16:37.18fiferboykimju: But I have come to accept that orientationchanges are meant to make interface deisgn miserable :D
16:38.41kimjuand I patched the meego-terminal to have an option to ignore the orientation changes and stay locked in either landscape or portrait.
16:39.03kimjuthe rotation/resizing was getting annoying..
16:40.56fiferboykimju: There are certain applications that I totally agree with this
16:41.01fiferboyBook reader is another example
16:42.01SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
16:42.12npmare there other policy classes other than games?? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Best_practices_for_application_development/Using_Resource_Policy_to_enhance_games
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16:49.50Venemohiemanshu, if you are still interested in helping with the IRC backend, please ping me.
16:53.29fiferboyVenemo: "more" "elegant"(?) solution: http://pastebin.com/S6uzJmvn
16:53.45hiemanshuVenemo: pong
16:54.11Venemohiemanshu, are you still interested in helping me with the IRC backend?
16:54.25hiemanshuVenemo: yes
16:54.30hiemanshuVenemo: I was working on it
16:54.38Venemohiemanshu, you were? really? :)
16:54.54Venemofiferboy, what is 64?
16:54.56hiemanshuVenemo: yup I was :P
16:55.12Venemohiemanshu, very nice :)
16:55.26fiferboyVenemo: You tell me :)
16:55.32Venemofiferboy, no idea
16:55.37fiferboyMiscellaneous padding, I think
16:55.45fiferboyIt does keep the elegant out of it :(
16:55.46Venemofiferboy ok
16:55.59Venemohiemanshu, what would you say, let me push my latest stuff to gitorious and then you could make your stuff work with it and push too?
16:56.13hiemanshuVenemo: sure
16:56.15hiemanshugo ahead
16:57.03Venemohiemanshu, some things have changed with regards to my model classes: they are beginning to take shape.
16:57.45hiemanshuVenemo: ah nice
17:02.45hiemanshuVenemo: PM
17:02.53Venemok
17:10.07DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (relative orientation) we had this idea some days ago, my comment been "maybe the face detection gives it away for free"
17:11.07DocScrutinizeralas face detection is quite probably closed blob once again, with no (documented) API
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17:12.18DocScrutinizerbut maybe the face detection fails epically with faces not "in line with orientation", never tested it
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17:27.51GAN900I think OLED may singlehandedly kill the N9 for me.
17:31.09fralsbecause its so awesome?
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17:33.02GAN900Because PenTile is terrible
17:33.06GAN900and I like tiny fonts.
17:35.39wazdGAN900: I guess we should check it live to judge
17:35.59fiferboyexit
17:36.07fiferboyD'oh
17:36.12wazdfiferboy: cya :)
17:36.20fiferboywazd: No, staying here
17:36.26wazdaah :)
17:36.28fiferboyOther terminal was supposed to exit :/
17:36.57npmre: are the other policy glasses other than games: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28632
17:37.29wazdGAN900: looks like N9 has the same RGBG screen as Nexus One
17:41.32GAN900i.e., crap.
17:42.20MohammadAGsigh, black window in QML again
17:42.24MohammadAGis there no way to debug this?
17:42.27wazdGAN900: haven't used nex1 more than 30 seconds, is it?
17:42.32GAN900MohammadAG, isn't it fun?
17:42.44GAN900Shows up in the runtime output every so often.
17:42.49GAN900wazd, yes.
17:43.47fralsMohammadAG: you get errors to stderr
17:45.00MohammadAGfrals, not through Qt Creator apparently
17:45.12GAN900Works here
17:45.17GAN900Application output.
17:45.23MohammadAGI was registering the C++ class after setting the qml url :3
17:45.43tommaMohammadAG, i had black window problem in one project too... problem was i didn't set size for root object and didn't use resizeroottoview resizemode
17:46.41fiferboyAh, sometimes if the C++ interaction fails you don't get output about it
17:47.19fiferboyMohammadAG: You can user qDebug() in the C++, but it may not be that helpful
17:47.20MohammadAGbesides qmlRegisterType, do I need anything else for C++ in QML?
17:47.48fiferboyMohammadAG: What are you trying to access in QML? Model? Property? Function?
17:49.34MohammadAGfiferboy, function
17:49.42rcgMohammadAG: you might find the Q_INVOKABLE macro useful
17:49.59fiferboyMohammadAG: You can expose your class using view->rootContext->setContextProperty
17:50.13fiferboyMohammadAG: And then any function that is Q_INVOKABLE will be available
17:50.33fiferboyI haven't used qmlRegisterType, but I haven't heard many success stories with it
17:50.47MohammadAGrcg, already using it
17:50.49rcgactually i used qmlRegisterType quite often
17:50.55rcgaye ic
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17:52.13rcghttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=meepasswords
17:52.30rcgi use QML + C++ quite extensively there
17:53.01rcghave a look at main.cpp to see which C++ types are used in QML
17:53.26rcgi qmlRegisterType all my C++/QML stuff there
17:54.27rcgonly thing i do not do in this project is to pass my custom objects back from QML to C++ as this triggeres an evil bug which is only present in the "stable" Qt Fremantle version
17:57.03rcg"stable" as in "is available in extras"
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18:08.53MohammadAGanyone used QtMobility to record audio before?
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18:57.22wazdhttp://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1108/73/2a781c752544.png <- That reminds me of Andy Warhol :D
18:59.58rcglol.. looks like modern art indeed :)
19:01.48lcukwazd, awesome, but which tool is generating such things?
19:01.58lcukor did you carefully overlay those yourself?
19:03.17wazdlcuk: hands, unfortunately
19:03.36wazdlcuk: though harmattan can do such things for QML UI's :D
19:03.50lcukyeah thought so
19:04.50wazdlcuk: that's the main part of designers work, not sitting on the sofa and listening to classic music like everyone think :D
19:05.32lcukwazd but if it can be done in qml directly, you should have best of both
19:05.41lcuksit in qt creator listening to classical music
19:07.09wazdlcuk: I really wish to learn qml to make such things at 1/2 speed of my photoshop work
19:07.17wazdlcuk: right now it's more like 1/16 :D
19:08.02lcukheh
19:08.20MohammadAGQML is actually easy once you grasp the concept
19:09.02wazdMohammadAG: yeah, the fact that I can do something in QML proves that monkeys can code in it :D
19:09.05MohammadAGI mean, the simplistic UI for my shazam-like app is almost done
19:09.13wazdMohammadAG: but still it takes time for me :(
19:09.23MohammadAGwazd, lol, spend more time on it
19:09.45wazdMohammadAG: I'm trying :)
19:09.59MohammadAGgoes looking for a microphone image to put it in a squircle
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19:11.12wazdhttp://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=microphone+solid
19:11.19wazdMohammadAG: ^
19:11.42lcukMohammadAG, the ide is what helps in part
19:14.26MohammadAGlcuk, not much, the designer doesn't work for QML for me
19:14.42MohammadAGthanks wazd !
19:14.51lcuklol
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19:19.29Venemohey again
19:21.11rcgMohammadAG: ack.. the designer wasn't pretty helpful for me either.. the code completion is a real lifesaver though :)
19:21.11rcghey Venemo
19:21.25MohammadAGheya Venemo
19:21.46MohammadAGanyone successfully used theme.inverted?
19:22.01rcgused it once on a button
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19:24.06rcgerr... nevermind.. thought i used it while i actually didn't
19:24.52fiferboyMohammadAG: Component.onCompleted: { theme.inverted = true }
19:25.12fiferboyMohammadAG: If you do that on your toplevel element it should make the entire app inverted
19:25.20fiferboyOr you can do it on an element-by-element basis
19:25.28lcukfiferboy, !!
19:25.29lcukcool
19:25.54lcukthinks fiferboy is turning into a version of his lexicon app
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19:27.39MohammadAGfiferboy, doesn't render the app correctly
19:30.10MohammadAGoh nvm fiferboy, it worked
19:31.00MohammadAGStill haven't figured out how to horizontally center an item though
19:34.18rcganchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter
19:34.41rcgMohammadAG: ^
19:36.41MohammadAGthanks rcg!
19:37.38rcgyw
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19:41.07fiferboylcuk: I figured that out out the other night for fun!
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19:45.42Venemohey lcuk, I need your opinion about something.
19:54.09mgedminsomething's wrong with my N950: openssh died, develsh fails to start with "input/output error", devel-su fails to start with "operation not permitted"
19:54.17mgedminhey, I can't even open an xterm
19:54.31mgedminI can't launch any of the apps
19:54.49kimjusounds like fs failure.
19:55.23mgedminI'd check dmesg, but (1) operation not permitted, thanks aegis, (2) devel-su not permitted, (3) I closed the xterm and now can't open it any more
19:55.42kimjuretry, reboot, reflash?
19:56.07mgedminit's not the first time this has happened; last time I rebooted, and it came up -- barely, after a couple of "Device malfunctioning: too many restarts" screens
19:57.04kimjuwouldn't be a bad idea to contact nokia?
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19:57.45mgedminincidentally, how long does it take to shut down?
19:57.54mgedminthe animation is quick, and the screen goes black very soon
19:58.12mgedminbut it doesn't react to the power button for a while, which makes me think it's still shutting down quietly
19:59.10mgedminbooting booting booting... black screen led off
19:59.48mgedmintry #2: same
20:00.40kimjuI tried, about 20-25 seconds from initiating the shutdown until power button reacts again.
20:01.07mgedmintry #3, #4: same
20:01.27mgedminplugging in wall charger...
20:02.08mgedminled blinks, screen says nokia, 30 seconds later screen goes dark, led goes dark
20:02.10mgedminthen it restarts
20:03.17kimjumy guess is still fs failure. or hw problem with the emmc.
20:03.45kimjuif reflash doesn't help -> contact nokia.
20:03.58mgedminah, boot #8 or so: "Device is malfunctioning, you may try re-flashing blah blah Software problem (unknown): too frequent reboots"
20:04.25mgedminpress [ok], it reboots agai
20:04.27Venemofiferboy, the older height expression worked better than the new one
20:04.32mgedminsame nokia screen, but now it's flashing
20:04.39mgedminand a water ripple effect shows up
20:04.52mgedminnow the squirclish loading throbber
20:05.02mgedminand it came up
20:05.10fiferboyVenemo: Yeah, for this screen size and VKB size
20:05.24fiferboyVenemo: I can't figure out how the extra size is used, though
20:05.26mgedminbasically, same as before, only before I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing
20:05.51Venemofiferboy, mhm
20:06.38fiferboyVenemo: I would think margins
20:07.03Venemomaybe
20:08.43mgedminI see mmcblk0 errors in dmesg
20:09.13mgedminand ext4 errors too
20:11.18SpeedEvil:/
20:11.21mgedminooh, /home is mounted ro
20:13.51mgedminbackup time
20:14.41MohammadAGhttp://i52.tinypic.com/5n54bl.jpg
20:15.27wazdMohammadAG: heluva UI :D
20:15.37thpMohammadAG: open source shazam?
20:15.51wazdMohammadAG: but that's actually everything it needs :)
20:16.20MohammadAGwazd, indeed, it's so cool and epic, I paid the designer a grand for the design
20:16.31MohammadAGthp, yeah
20:16.47MohammadAGnot sure how well it works compared to shazam, but it recognized two tracks of mine
20:16.59MohammadAGtested with curl before writing it of course
20:17.28thpthat's cool. wanna-have!
20:17.39MohammadAGthe bottom right menu has a song history button
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20:18.08wazdthp: do you need that abstract piece of art for gPodder that I've shown earlier? :)
20:18.29thpwazd: which one? might have missed it in the scrollstream?
20:18.39mgedmin/home/user/fenoix-attachments?
20:18.47mgedmins/fenoix/fenix
20:19.06MohammadAGthp, there's one problem, QMediaRecorder isn't working as advertised :)
20:19.17fiferboyVenemo: It could be the footer height in CommonDialog, but it doesn't look like it should be used for this
20:19.29wazdthp: http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1108/73/2a781c752544.png
20:19.30thpMohammadAG: cross-compile alsa utils and "arecord" your way into stardom?
20:19.49MohammadAGlol
20:19.59thpwazd: is that just some kind of debugging view?
20:20.19Venemofiferboy, hm
20:20.33MohammadAGthp, photoshopped debugging view ftw :D
20:20.34wazdthp: I've created it with hands so Tanya will know all the sizes and coordinates :)
20:20.34thpor is that a visual "developers can't get their paddings right" rant? ;)
20:20.41MohammadAGI'm actually impressed
20:20.46MohammadAGoh and MTF has something like that
20:21.09thpwazd: Tanya's the one that has been at sf2011?
20:21.17wazdthp: yep :)
20:21.29thpMohammadAG: yes, i've seen it with MTF. i think one can even enable it in the widgets gallery somehow
20:22.05MohammadAGthp, debug tools I think, or misc
20:22.06thpwazd: ;) well, we should definitely refine the layout of gpodder before the release if we have time :)
20:22.29MohammadAGyeah, debug tools -> information display
20:22.41wazdMohammadAG: just press Ctrl+Shift+M
20:22.53wazdMohammadAG: in any app :)
20:22.57MohammadAGalso
20:23.05thpwazd: do you have some time + a n950 for testing now? because then i'd send you a recent .deb of gpodder for testing and for your input (i think interactive is better than screenshots only)
20:23.09MohammadAGwho noticed the two multitouch(?) points when using CTRL + single touch
20:23.13MohammadAGI think it's for the SDK, not sure
20:23.22wazdthp: sure!
20:23.29MohammadAGthp, enabling it in WG enables it OS wide :D
20:24.31wazdthp: I've tried to install the deb from forum.meego thread, but it didn't work well
20:24.50thpwazd: not at all or did it just look crappy?
20:25.48wazdthp: just the "red icon" :)
20:26.59thphmm maybe you need to dpkg -i / apt-get install -f it from the command line
20:27.02thpto get the dependencies installed
20:27.52mgedminhm, looks like it's too late to create new backups...
20:28.45MohammadAG"alsa:null", "alsa:default", "oss:/dev/DspBridge", "pulseaudio:" which one should I use?
20:29.08thpalsa:default i guess?
20:31.34VenemoMohammadAG, why don't you try pulseaudio?
20:33.21mgedminI see /sbin/fsck.ext4 and /sbin/fsck.ext4dev, what's the difference?
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22:37.52lardmanevening infobot
22:46.59antman8969?? rand() on harmattan is only generating 846930886 over and over
22:47.02antman8969thats not very random
22:47.38hardaker2it could happen :-P
22:47.55antman8969lol yea 10 times in a row.... I should play loto
22:48.02specialantman8969: did you call srand()?
22:48.05hardaker2(did you call srand first I hope?)
22:48.16hardaker2otherwise you get what you asked for!
22:48.20antman8969well
22:48.30antman8969no I didn't, but I didn't have to on debian
22:49.01specialyou're not guaranteed anything about the seed by the system
22:49.12specialso it can be (and often is) the same for every process every time it starts.
22:49.22hardaker2you need to call it on everything.
22:49.27hardaker2it's undefined otherwise.
22:49.50antman8969aparently, but it DID work fine on my pc
22:49.55hardaker2ish.
22:49.59hardaker2you got lucky.
22:50.04antman8969??
22:50.11antman8969I got lucky and got random numbers every time?
22:50.12hardaker2just insert an srand(time()) at the top of main
22:50.22antman8969kk
22:50.38lardmanyeah but surely even if you get the same set of numbers they should be different on each call
22:50.44hardaker2antman8969: no, you got lucky you were on a libc implementation that probably did a seed for you.  though what *with* is a different question.
22:50.53hardaker2if it was the same seed every time, it wouldn't have been better :-/
22:50.54specialcan't be much worse than time() :)
22:51.04specialother than srand(4), I guess.
22:51.20antman8969well, I'll tell you in 10 seconds
22:51.20hardaker2you should try srand(0) and see if you get the same number :-)
22:51.25special(obligatory: http://xkcd.com/221/)
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