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| 02:51.18 | Termana | morning |
| 03:01.48 | twoboxen | morning |
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| 06:07.47 | rcg | mornin all |
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| 07:03.20 | wazd | yeah, my sister wants to buy N950 for 500 Euros :D |
| 07:03.30 | aslani | :D |
| 07:03.31 | wazd | Like immediately :) |
| 07:03.53 | aslani | Well, it's a very good piece of hardware :) ...and software |
| 07:04.36 | wazd | she doesn't care bout the software that much as long as it has navigation software :) |
| 07:05.03 | aslani | well, actually ovi-maps are quite good |
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| 07:12.19 | Arkenoi | n950 could kick sh*t out of e7 as "business phone" |
| 07:13.09 | aslani | maybe if it would have SD-slot or more internal mass storage? |
| 07:13.48 | Arkenoi | why internal storage is so ridiculously small is different question |
| 07:14.02 | Arkenoi | there were early 64gb versions iirc |
| 07:18.40 | wazd | Arkenoi: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/n950-remove-developer-edition-branding/ :P |
| 07:18.42 | aslani | I guess these N950s we have now are just for "please make some software to N9 fast", not like they wanted to put any money making them? |
| 07:19.36 | wazd | I wonder why only about 8Gbs of 16 are available :) |
| 07:20.02 | wazd | space for applications? |
| 07:20.03 | aslani | have you checked df -h ? |
| 07:20.06 | aslani | yeah |
| 07:21.16 | Arkenoi | wazd, already done that :-) |
| 07:22.42 | wazd | Arkenoi: you've used MC or vim? |
| 07:22.54 | Arkenoi | vim sure |
| 07:38.13 | wazd | awesome, no DEVELOPER EDITION pride for me :) |
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| 07:45.40 | vladest | hi |
| 07:45.43 | aslani | I sort of like my "DEVELOPER EDITION" -texts :( |
| 07:49.03 | wazd | e-mail app still has it though :) |
| 07:50.09 | Arkenoi | wazd, you must be missing something, i removed it successfully everywhere |
| 07:50.44 | wazd | Arkenoi: it's hard to miss 2 rows of text in the end of the file :P |
| 07:51.29 | Arkenoi | then this instruction is incomplete |
| 07:51.36 | Arkenoi | i used the one from wiki |
| 07:51.44 | wazd | and calc still has it :( |
| 07:51.53 | wazd | Arkenoi: link? |
| 07:53.15 | Arkenoi | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950 |
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| 08:02.56 | wazd | Arkenoi: Thanks |
| 08:03.18 | wazd | Ovi Journeys? Wth is that? :) |
| 08:04.12 | aslani | Could it be some sort of public transportation app? |
| 08:04.48 | aslani | so you could plan your routes to meetings from you calendar and and... probably nothing as awesome :( |
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| 08:06.55 | wazd | Arkenoi: how did you override read-only of constants.ini? :) Vim seems to block any changes even with ! |
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| 08:10.22 | Arkenoi | wazd, dunno, it "just worked". did you do devel-su or ssh root@localhost? rumors say it may differ |
| 08:12.01 | RST38h | does differ a bit |
| 08:12.17 | RST38h | from the aegis point of view - I have not been able to do some things with ssh |
| 08:13.07 | rcg | well.. from the aegis point of view you have to be careful what you do anyways |
| 08:13.59 | rcg | luckily i didn't edit an aegis protected file in /etc yet as this most probably would have required me to reflash |
| 08:14.20 | RST38h | yummy |
| 08:14.31 | rcg | afaik DocScrutinizer had some discussion about aegis and /etc some while ago.. what i can tell is that its safe to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:14.41 | rcg | ;) |
| 08:14.47 | wazd | nm, my bad |
| 08:16.19 | rcg | grep etc /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist |
| 08:16.21 | wazd | http://journeys.nokia.com/ |
| 08:16.22 | wazd | :P |
| 08:16.52 | rcg | most probably if the file you wanna edit is in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist it would not be a good idea to edit it |
| 08:17.06 | wazd | http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/10/ovi-journeys-sportstracker-gets-social.html |
| 08:17.13 | aslani | :( |
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| 08:19.48 | Venemo | good morning |
| 08:19.58 | wazd | Venemo: heya |
| 08:20.01 | rcg | morning Venemo |
| 08:20.16 | RST38h | ehlo venemo |
| 08:20.17 | rcg | and bbl.. gotta go to work.. |
| 08:20.26 | wazd | cool, the hack works, javispedro is the man *again* :) |
| 08:21.13 | RST38h | They are still using "Ovi"? |
| 08:28.47 | ieatlint | they seem pretty inconsistent about that |
| 08:33.40 | wazd | RST38h: nope |
| 08:33.57 | wazd | RST38h: it redirects to journeys.nokia.com |
| 08:34.08 | RST38h | wazd: yea, but it is Ovi Journeys |
| 08:34.33 | wazd | RST38h: news from october, 19, you know :P |
| 08:35.07 | wazd | 2009 :D |
| 08:36.58 | RST38h | Oh my god the tentacled one I have not notices |
| 08:37.00 | RST38h | d |
| 08:38.37 | RST38h | wazd: so journeys went nowhere, ending with a spinoff into a different company? |
| 08:40.00 | wazd | RST38h: I guess so, but why is it mentioned in N950 styling files then? :P |
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| 08:43.23 | rcg | work work... |
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| 08:55.51 | Venemo | hey wazd & rcg & RST38h :) |
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| 08:58.05 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:01.16 | rcg | mornin lardman |
| 09:01.56 | Venemo | hiemanshu, ping |
| 09:03.08 | hiemanshu | Venemo: pong |
| 09:04.07 | Venemo | hiemanshu, good news, the author of libircclient-qt plans his next version to be very QML-friendly |
| 09:04.27 | hiemanshu | Venemo: nice, so we wait? |
| 09:04.35 | Venemo | hiemanshu, unfortunately for us, this new version is still somewhat far away from being released, so he recommended us to proceed with the old version |
| 09:04.47 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 09:05.20 | Venemo | hiemanshu, when the new one is released (if at all), it will make our code a lot easier |
| 09:06.53 | hiemanshu | Venemo: hah, well, no use waiting |
| 09:07.12 | Venemo | hiemanshu, now I plan to implement a very simple backend that is hardcoded to freenode (so that I will have IRC with me on the train) |
| 09:07.28 | Venemo | hiemanshu, then I'll entrust the rest of the backend work to you :) |
| 09:07.35 | hiemanshu | works for me |
| 09:07.45 | hiemanshu | I'll be busy with GSoC till untill end of the month |
| 09:08.55 | Venemo | all right |
| 09:08.55 | Venemo | btw, what's your GSoC project? |
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| 09:16.47 | lardman | debian gurus? |
| 09:17.30 | Venemo | lardman, see #debian |
| 09:18.10 | Venemo | lardman, but if you don't have to, don't mention that your question is not directly about Debian... |
| 09:18.45 | lardman | debian/rules, I want to execute dh_installinit only for Fremantle, not for Harmattan. I've got a variable set to let me know whether it's Fremantle or not, can I use if [] in one of the sections |
| 09:19.05 | lardman | sorry Venemo, got delayed watching riot aftermath on the news |
| 09:19.15 | Venemo | no problem |
| 09:19.33 | Venemo | I can't really help you, I'm not much of a packaging guru myself. |
| 09:19.39 | Venemo | sorry :( |
| 09:19.45 | lardman | np |
| 09:19.59 | Venemo | alterego, ping |
| 09:20.37 | hiemanshu | Venemo: my GSoC project is Fedora Events System |
| 09:20.49 | Venemo | hiemanshu, and what does that do? |
| 09:20.56 | hiemanshu | Event Managements |
| 09:21.52 | Venemo | what kind of events are we talking about? |
| 09:22.36 | hiemanshu | Conferences and such |
| 09:23.08 | Venemo | mhm |
| 09:23.56 | kimju | lardman, debian/rules is basicly a makefile. |
| 09:34.42 | Venemo | is there a free bugzilla service we could use for our MeeGo apps? |
| 09:35.48 | spenap | Venemo, I'm using https://projects.developer.nokia.com/ |
| 09:35.55 | spenap | it has a ticketing system integrated |
| 09:36.32 | Venemo | spenap, is it free? |
| 09:36.34 | Venemo | as in, free beer at least? |
| 09:36.46 | lardman | kimju: thanks, I've finally worked that one out |
| 09:36.56 | lardman | so I'm just using the wrong conditional syntax |
| 09:37.25 | spenap | Venemo, yeah, I think it's associated with the launchpad account used to get the N950s |
| 09:37.31 | kimju | lardman, pastebin your rules-file so we can review it? |
| 09:37.41 | Venemo | lardman, later on, could you please share this information so that we can learn from it? |
| 09:37.46 | lardman | sure |
| 09:38.25 | spenap | Venemo, and yes, seems free as in free beer if you would have to create the account from scratch |
| 09:39.14 | spenap | «If you are not registered yet, please fill in the registration form and you will be able to access the tools and resources you need for application development [...] Registration is free and [...]» |
| 09:39.56 | Venemo | spenap, thx |
| 09:40.20 | spenap | Venemo, np |
| 09:41.15 | lardman | twiddles thumbs waiting for FF to become responsive again |
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| 09:43.07 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/EqEfrTjt |
| 09:43.19 | lardman | though I need to change the first conditional check to the right format |
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| 09:49.00 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/zzFrv0Fw |
| 09:49.47 | lardman | so to summarise, use ifeq() rather than if [] then |
| 09:50.29 | kimju | HARMATTAN := $(shell test -f /etc/meego-nokia_version && echo 1 || echo 0) |
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| 09:50.37 | kimju | something like that might work too. |
| 09:50.42 | TheBootroo | lo |
| 09:50.49 | lardman | that sounds nicer, thanks kimju |
| 09:50.52 | TheBootroo | on my n950, i can't save notes in the note app |
| 09:51.20 | lardman | ah, I probably forgot the colon in my command then in retrospect |
| 09:51.32 | TheBootroo | i click save, and the page goes back, as it should do, but then the app show a empty message banner, and no note appears in the note list.... |
| 09:51.35 | kimju | lardman, also, ifeq($(HARMATTAN),0) |
| 09:51.53 | lardman | ah, ok, needs more brackets, thanks |
| 09:52.06 | kimju | yes, otherwise it might look for $H |
| 09:52.14 | lardman | ah ok |
| 09:52.22 | lardman | cheers :) |
| 09:52.42 | lardman | bbl |
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| 10:07.25 | wazd | Guys, is there any way to use HSB colors with QML? |
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| 10:11.45 | vladest | where to get midnight commander for n950? |
| 10:18.57 | M4rtinK2 | there is on in rzr's harmattan repo |
| 10:19.03 | M4rtinK2 | home:rzr:harmattan |
| 10:19.19 | M4rtinK2 | *one package in |
| 10:20.30 | M4rtinK2 | BTW, anyone got an idea why this two builds might be are failing ? |
| 10:20.31 | M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 10:20.39 | M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk%2B&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 10:20.56 | M4rtinK2 | the error messages are not exactly helpful... |
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| 10:30.02 | vladest | ok, where is to get libslang2 ? |
| 10:30.33 | wazd | http://s001.radikal.ru/i194/1108/8b/e5c552caf879.png <- any suggestions for temperature colors? :) |
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| 10:33.43 | vladest | wazd: looks nice |
| 10:34.21 | vladest | maybe makes sense to remove green at all\ |
| 10:35.17 | vladest | n9 contains temperature sensor? :) |
| 10:36.23 | Tronic | wazd: Green seems out of place. |
| 10:39.38 | wazd | Tronic: well, yellow is definitely "warm" color, so if, for example +10C will have yellow hue it would be confusing :) |
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| 10:45.49 | Venemo_N950 | Hmm |
| 10:48.22 | Tronic | wazd: Usually blueish colors are mapped to positive temperatures too. |
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| 10:49.18 | Tronic | 14 °C is the Earth average surface temperature, anything below that could be blue-ish and anything above it yellow/red-ish. |
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| 10:52.04 | wazd | Tronic: let's stick to 0 as default :P |
| 10:52.21 | wazd | Tronic: it would be user friendly, not wikipedia :P |
| 10:57.27 | spenap | I know I have asked this before, but maybe during this weekend someone did it :D, so here it goes: did anyone manage to integrate with the settings using qtquick? |
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| 11:02.58 | Venemo_N950 | Anyone getting this? |
| 11:03.08 | TheBootroo | you could use green for temperate warms '10 to 20 °C, red for above, and blue for colder |
| 11:03.47 | Venemo_N950 | It's hard to tell whether this crap is not working or people are just not writing |
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| 11:06.50 | Tronic | Venemo: That crap is not working. |
| 11:07.07 | Venemo | Tronic, it was working |
| 11:07.12 | Venemo | the channel log proves that :P |
| 11:07.27 | Tronic | Oh, I thought I would convince you that nobody saw anything. |
| 11:07.35 | Venemo | hehe |
| 11:08.11 | TheBootroo | got a problem with a Qdeclarative app on n950 |
| 11:09.09 | TheBootroo | if i keep the original settings, i can't have antialising, but if i set i to raster, speed is very low and gradients are like in 16 bit colors |
| 11:10.24 | TheBootroo | i can't figure out why : i have set 'smooth' to 'true' on QML elements, and i have the renderhint 'Antialising' to true on the declarativeVIew |
| 11:10.37 | TheBootroo | and on the computer, it works fine |
| 11:10.41 | TheBootroo | (perfectly) |
| 11:11.02 | Venemo | Tronic, only issue is that I can't retrieve the user list of a channel |
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| 11:30.50 | Venemo | why is it that the N950's cellular connection is a lot slower than the N900's? |
| 11:32.54 | Arkenoi | Venemo, never noticed that |
| 11:33.24 | Venemo | also, the signal reception quality is worse too |
| 11:33.35 | Venemo | how worse seems to be varying |
| 11:34.32 | TheBootroo | Venemo: maybe because its a proto and the software is not finished, and the alu case interscepts a lot of signals strenght (the N9 should be much ebtter with its tiny plastic casing) |
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| 11:38.41 | Venemo_ | TheBootroo: yeah, that's what I hope for |
| 11:39.03 | TheBootroo | Venemo_: no idea for my problem ? |
| 11:39.13 | Venemo_ | TheBootroo, what is your problem? |
| 11:39.31 | TheBootroo | --->> 13:08 |
| 11:39.53 | Venemo | antialiasing, hm |
| 11:39.58 | TheBootroo | i got a problem with a Qdeclarative app on n950, if i keep the original settings, i can't have antialising, but if i set i to raster, speed is very low and gradients are like in 16 bit colors... i can't figure out why : i have set 'smooth' to 'true' on QML elements, and i have the renderhint 'Antialising' to true on the declarativeVIew |
| 11:40.01 | Venemo | I see. |
| 11:40.17 | TheBootroo | very strange problem |
| 11:40.21 | Venemo | Ihave no idea, but I'm not sure why you would want antialiasing on such a small screen |
| 11:40.26 | TheBootroo | harmattan obviously support AA |
| 11:40.38 | TheBootroo | Venemo: because without AA its ugly |
| 11:40.38 | Venemo | I thought that everything is automatically antialiased |
| 11:40.47 | TheBootroo | nope |
| 11:40.56 | Venemo | well, my app doesn't look ugly. |
| 11:41.12 | TheBootroo | i have many rounded rectangles so without AA it looks like a stair path |
| 11:41.28 | Venemo | heh |
| 11:41.31 | TheBootroo | Venemo: so you have the AA automattically enabled |
| 11:41.35 | Venemo | not sure. |
| 11:41.40 | Venemo | it just doesn't look ugly |
| 11:41.53 | TheBootroo | yes, you use the stock harmattan QML components ? |
| 11:41.57 | Venemo | I do |
| 11:42.12 | TheBootroo | so they have AA enabled |
| 11:42.15 | Venemo | mhm. |
| 11:42.24 | TheBootroo | but i'm developping my own components |
| 11:42.34 | Venemo | TheBootroo, by the way... you say the alu casing destroys the signal... but _where_ is the alu casing? |
| 11:42.42 | Venemo | this stuff looks like plain black plastic to me |
| 11:42.44 | TheBootroo | and i can't enable AA on them on my device, but works fine on my computer |
| 11:43.00 | thp | Venemo: the back cover isn't plastic (apart from the two edges) |
| 11:43.13 | Venemo | thp, so it's just the battery cover? |
| 11:43.16 | TheBootroo | Venemo: its a alu casing, with a small plastic film on it |
| 11:43.34 | aslani | hmm |
| 11:43.42 | aslani | My N950 is certainly alu |
| 11:43.43 | TheBootroo | even on the front and sides its alu with paper-like plastic film |
| 11:43.47 | Venemo | mhm... |
| 11:43.53 | thp | Venemo: at least I got reception problems in low-reception areas as well |
| 11:43.54 | TheBootroo | Venemo: just look the led |
| 11:43.57 | aslani | Dropped it twice and it's bit chipped :D |
| 11:44.10 | TheBootroo | the led is in a hole in the metal, but under the plastic film |
| 11:44.23 | thp | aslani: i never understood why people drop their devices. it's not good for the casing.. |
| 11:44.25 | Venemo | so then why don't they connect the antenna to the casing? and then the casing itself could act as an antenna, making reception stronger instead of weaker? |
| 11:44.36 | Venemo | maybe DocScrutinizer could answer this one? |
| 11:44.42 | aslani | thp: on screen camera button :( |
| 11:44.49 | Venemo | thp, I think he dropped accidentally |
| 11:44.57 | TheBootroo | Venemo: did you remeber Antennagate from Iphone ? |
| 11:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: antennae *always* are a dipole |
| 11:45.34 | TheBootroo | Venemo: the problem with the case being the antenna is that you can't touch the case without absorbing the signal |
| 11:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | electricity *never* runs thru a one-wire setup |
| 11:46.21 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, okay, I get that... |
| 11:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | the common "unipole" antenna is just using GND aka case for the other pole |
| 11:48.05 | Venemo | TheBootroo, sure, but this time the anntenna is covered with plastic, so it's insulated from our touch, isn't it? |
| 11:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | so on your typical walkie-talkie the telescope antenna is the one half, and case+you+earth is the other half |
| 11:48.34 | Venemo | also, if it is covered with plastic anyway, what's the point of making it from alu? |
| 11:48.57 | TheBootroo | Venemo: not everywhere, the middle of the back cover is alu |
| 11:49.23 | TheBootroo | Venemo: alu is for warm dissipation, strenght, and hype |
| 11:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | you can use closed dipole antenna which basically is a sort of a coil |
| 11:50.01 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 11:50.25 | Venemo | TheBootroo, so how are they managing to make it look the same as the plastic? to me, back cover looks the same as everywhere else |
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| 11:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | for the alu debate, just remove the battery cover and look at the inside. You start to doubt it's all alu |
| 11:53.17 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, if it's not,t hen what's the excuse for the poor reception? |
| 11:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | also battery cover probably doesn't contribute much for heat dissipation/spreading |
| 11:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: N950? poor reception? can't confirm this |
| 11:54.59 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, alterego's device can't even get any signal at all where he lives. |
| 11:55.04 | frals | mine got shit reception compared to my n900 |
| 11:55.31 | frals | but expected since n950 is not an enduser device so i *guess* it doesnt have the same level of testing/optimization done |
| 11:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, dunno. Lots of possible causes |
| 11:55.37 | Venemo | mine can, but the signal strength becomes zero when I'm on a sparsely populated area / train / bus / etc. -> 90% of which cases the N900 could still give me an internet connection |
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| 11:56.14 | Venemo | frals, do you see a possibility that this will be fixed by a firmware update? or is it just a hw defect? |
| 11:56.26 | TheBootroo | Venemo: i don't have to whine, mine achieve to dl mails in my cities tube |
| 11:56.37 | TheBootroo | 20 meters underground |
| 11:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | frals: don't fool yourself (and us) - Nokia *never* will build a device like N950 for a niche "market" like developer lendout |
| 11:57.37 | Venemo | TheBootroo, mine too, because that city's tube does have good coverage. |
| 11:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | TheBootroo: bah, there are repeaters in there, or even dedicated BTS |
| 11:58.15 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: i don't think so |
| 11:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure |
| 11:58.23 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: there is not even a wifi network |
| 11:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 11:58.40 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 11:58.50 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: i'm living in france |
| 11:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | WTF wifi network? |
| 11:58.55 | TheBootroo | its a numr |
| 11:59.12 | Venemo | TheBootroo, they actually do place cellular repeaters into the tubes, so that people can phone. |
| 11:59.14 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: in the tube station there is no wifi network |
| 11:59.28 | TheBootroo | Venemo: most people cant |
| 11:59.32 | Venemo | TheBootroo, noone is talking about wifi repeaters. |
| 11:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | so what? on my roof there's also no wifi network |
| 11:59.37 | TheBootroo | Venemo: most people drop call in the lift |
| 11:59.59 | Venemo | TheBootroo, my N900 used to drop calls when it switched towers in the tube :P |
| 12:00.05 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: if they donh't put a simple wifi network, why would they put a BTS ? |
| 12:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | because there are 10000 times more users of GSM than of WiFi? |
| 12:00.47 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: :-| |
| 12:00.51 | Venemo | TheBootroo, because you pay to your operator to use your phone. and your operator pays to the metro company to put their towers there. |
| 12:00.56 | Venemo | TheBootroo, noone pays for wifi. |
| 12:01.19 | Venemo | at least, paid wifis are not popular at all in my country |
| 12:02.11 | TheBootroo | Venemo: here we have operator customized and paid wifi |
| 12:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | plus the range of a WLAN AP is max 100m, MAXIMUM. While one BTS with a long pipe slot antenna can cover a tube of 15km length |
| 12:02.36 | TheBootroo | you can use it only if you have a valid contract with an operator |
| 12:03.07 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: could you come at home and install me a BTS in my room :D |
| 12:03.10 | frals | Venemo: i have no idea, as i said im only guessing |
| 12:03.18 | TheBootroo | so i can have 5G on my N950 |
| 12:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | no, as I'm going to install a BTS on CCCamp in 12h |
| 12:04.17 | Venemo | frals, ok, then we'll see what the future brings :) |
| 12:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how do you get any decent signal strength reading? Seems my signal indicator vanished most of the time completely, which didn't mean there was a connectivity issue |
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| 12:06.10 | RST38h | yawns, inquires about the news |
| 12:06.28 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
| 12:09.42 | Venemo_N950 | When I connect to the network with the N950, the laptop disconnects |
| 12:09.42 | Venemo_N950 | Very annoying |
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| 12:15.40 | RST38h | wazd: no news? |
| 12:16.19 | wazd | RST38h: working on new menu for Ati |
| 12:16.38 | RST38h | ah cool =) |
| 12:16.59 | wazd | RST38h: can I change the layout? To use 4ÃX grid |
| 12:17.34 | RST38h | wazd: would prefer not to (will require code changes) |
| 12:17.43 | wazd | RST38h: ok |
| 12:17.49 | RST38h | wazd: but if you are absolutely forced to do it and the result is cool, go ahead |
| 12:18.28 | wazd | RST38h: not really, I think it would work with 3 coloumns too :) |
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| 12:21.14 | Arkenoi | thinks about buying a bluetooth wristwatch (i:Virt?), hopefully watchphone will work on harmattan |
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| 12:28.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, when my signal strength indicator shows 0 signal, then the connection is indeed disconnected |
| 12:28.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, (I saw in the logs that you asked this after I disconnected) |
| 12:29.33 | Venemo | ~seen fiferboy |
| 12:29.43 | infobot | fiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 16h 10m 26s ago, saying: 'Venemo: It could be the footer height in CommonDialog, but it doesn't look like it should be used for this'. |
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| 12:43.55 | Venemo | any idea how I could use the N950's modem from both my laptop and the N950? |
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| 12:44.48 | TheBootroo | Venemo: same question i can't find how to do that, it was easy on my N900 |
| 12:45.14 | TheBootroo | i first though i had to use 'sync and connect' usb mode but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 12:45.33 | Venemo | but it does |
| 12:45.56 | TheBootroo | Venemo: ? |
| 12:46.08 | Venemo | TheBootroo, I connect to it through "sync and connect" |
| 12:46.22 | TheBootroo | Venemo: ha ... not me |
| 12:46.43 | Venemo | TheBootroo, read http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4071 |
| 12:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | sync'n'connect is USB-UMTS-stick plus mass storage? |
| 12:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | or USB-UMTS-stick plus USB-network? |
| 12:47.29 | Venemo | sync and connect is the new "pc suite mode" |
| 12:47.53 | Venemo | but usb-network is only available in sync&connect under Linux |
| 12:47.56 | alterego | It shows up as a digital camera too. |
| 12:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | DUH, nice |
| 12:48.08 | Venemo | but the rest of the fancyness is only on windows |
| 12:49.20 | TheBootroo | would there be a way to export GPS, wlan, bluetooth, and camera upon USB ? |
| 12:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, if it's USB-3G-dongle & network, then you need to share back the 3G from PC via USB-network to N950 |
| 12:49.28 | TheBootroo | at least to linux computer ? |
| 12:49.35 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, how do I go about that? |
| 12:49.59 | TheBootroo | Venemo: or use bluetooth to thether and usb to develop ? |
| 12:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think that largely depends on your PC distro |
| 12:50.18 | Venemo | F15 |
| 12:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 12:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | you need to configure a normal 3G-dongle, then share network to the USB-NIC |
| 12:51.24 | Venemo | "then share network to the USB-NIC" is the problem for me |
| 12:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | there are some magic iptables incantations to do this |
| 12:52.18 | Venemo | last time I tried something similar with MeeGo (non-harmattan), noone could tell me how to do that :( |
| 12:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's not different to sharing "normal" (e.g. DSL) internet of your PC via USB-network to any device |
| 12:52.36 | Venemo | that either. |
| 12:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | I think there are howtos for several distros on both maemo and openmoko wiki for that |
| 12:54.04 | hiemanshu | is this really happenening, DocScrutinizer back in #harmattan |
| 12:54.07 | hiemanshu | faints |
| 12:54.16 | Venemo | hiemanshu, DocScrutinizer never left #harmattan |
| 12:54.25 | hiemanshu | Venemo: he did |
| 12:54.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, could you please point me to such a wikipage? |
| 12:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 12:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 12:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 12:55.25 | Venemo | I vaguely recall seeing a Maemo wikipage about USB networking, but it didn't say anything about this subject. |
| 12:56.11 | TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: and a way to do a wifi hotpoint fro the 3G modem, without any paid program |
| 12:56.41 | Venemo | TheBootroo, rumour (djszapi) has it that the N9 has an app "JoikuSpot" or WhateverSpot that does this. |
| 12:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/USB_Networking http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_to_ethernet_networking |
| 12:57.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, thanks |
| 12:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | TheBootroo: aiui there's no way to establish that, as you'd need netfilters kernel module that'S missing. I could be wrong |
| 13:00.05 | alterego | You can just setup your host as the gateway and nameserver .. |
| 13:00.07 | alterego | Well, that's what I've done. |
| 13:00.29 | alterego | The problem is getting network manager to recognise that it's connected .. |
| 13:01.33 | Venemo | all right, I did this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Configuring_the_host_firewall |
| 13:01.45 | Venemo | after this, I tried 'ping maemo.org' on N950, and it failed. |
| 13:02.00 | Venemo | alterego, how did you do that? |
| 13:05.15 | alterego | I didn't, that's why it is a problem ;) |
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| 13:09.09 | Venemo | [15:00] <alterego> Well, that's what I've done. |
| 13:09.10 | Venemo | umm |
| 13:09.18 | Venemo | don't you contradict yourself a bit? |
| 13:09.36 | alterego | Nope |
| 13:09.40 | alterego | I said I did the routing |
| 13:09.46 | alterego | I've not done anything with network manager. |
| 13:10.17 | Venemo | why would I need to do anything with network manager? |
| 13:10.32 | wazd | RST38h: http://s44.radikal.ru/i105/1108/71/3dce94c75ff7.png ? |
| 13:11.20 | RST38h | wazd: I liked the old periodic-table-like icons better |
| 13:11.40 | RST38h | wazd:reset and power look pretty damn nice though |
| 13:11.40 | wazd | RST38h: :( |
| 13:11.40 | TheBootroo | wazd: good looking but doesit work ? |
| 13:11.49 | wazd | RST38h: :) |
| 13:12.02 | RST38h | wazd: no, really, there is a point after which simplification just makes things uglier =) |
| 13:12.17 | TheBootroo | wazd: and the NSpire is missing |
| 13:12.38 | RST38h | BEsides, you now require labels under icons, duplicating icon inscriptions |
| 13:12.58 | RST38h | by going back to old icons, you get rid fo the labels |
| 13:13.08 | TheBootroo | no |
| 13:13.17 | TheBootroo | just get rid of labels under icons |
| 13:13.53 | TheBootroo | we know its a TI calc program so we dont need TI to appaer on each icon |
| 13:13.58 | TheBootroo | only the number |
| 13:14.09 | RST38h | absolutely insists of having at least the upper/lower half layout in the icons same as old ones. The rabbit-turd shape is ok |
| 13:14.32 | TheBootroo | you can write TI Calculators in big letters at the top of the screen, only once |
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| 13:15.43 | TheBootroo | wazd: wait a minute |
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| 13:22.27 | TheBootroo | RST38h: wazd: much better like that (DRY : dont repeat yourself) : http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
| 13:22.57 | TheBootroo | and it fits the harmattan style better |
| 13:22.58 | RST38h | Bootroo: Sorry, it is much uglier the way you have drawn it |
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| 13:24.17 | TheBootroo | RST38h: why ? |
| 13:24.48 | RST38h | Huge rounded corners, giant useless text at the top |
| 13:24.48 | wazd | TheBootroo: well, I think the problem is with over-rounded corners :) |
| 13:25.05 | TheBootroo | i don't drew anything, i just took the image and repositionned the items on it |
| 13:25.09 | Termana | I'm glad I'm not the only one who was going to say the rounded edges :p |
| 13:25.35 | TheBootroo | wazd: they are by default on harmttan, not coming from my mind |
| 13:25.38 | TheBootroo | ;-) |
| 13:26.39 | TheBootroo | well maybe a little too much rounded |
| 13:26.44 | TheBootroo | gonna fix |
| 13:28.39 | TheBootroo | now it looks just like the default apps on harmattan (look at rss reader, notes, documents, mails....) : http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
| 13:32.24 | TheBootroo | recentered title : http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
| 13:33.29 | TheBootroo | has someone tested the quality of the front webcam ? |
| 13:33.55 | Termana | TheBootroo, no no no no. absolutely not |
| 13:34.02 | Termana | you have rounded the bottom as well! |
| 13:34.02 | TheBootroo | Termana: wut ? |
| 13:34.15 | TheBootroo | Termana: yes like on N950° |
| 13:34.31 | TheBootroo | but i made it white to make it visible |
| 13:34.43 | TheBootroo | because black over black = black |
| 13:34.58 | Termana | hmmm |
| 13:35.12 | Termana | I just opened up notes and it does have rounding |
| 13:35.17 | Termana | maybe it would look better on device |
| 13:35.20 | TheBootroo | want it or not, its the default look of harmattan |
| 13:35.35 | TheBootroo | Termana: just dl the image and look it fullscreen in the album, ;-) |
| 13:35.47 | TheBootroo | (if you have the device) |
| 13:36.25 | TheBootroo | but the problem will be the white roundind : on device i must be black |
| 13:37.56 | TheBootroo | so just use this one in place : http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
| 13:39.00 | TheBootroo | shit there are white glimpses |
| 13:39.40 | TheBootroo | ok this one is good : http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
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| 13:45.29 | wazd | RST38h: http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1108/8b/2dddb052fcbf.png ? :) |
| 13:46.18 | RST38h | wazd: Can we go back to the old periodic-style model icons? Please? |
| 13:46.48 | RST38h | wazd: Just change them to the turd shape, but keep the overall look... |
| 13:47.17 | SpeedEvil | "Dear Customer, |
| 13:47.17 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.17 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.23 | TheBootroo | RST38h: better to stick to the official default style (modern one) |
| 13:47.24 | SpeedEvil | Well - that was unexpected. |
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| 13:47.41 | wazd | RST38h: :( |
| 13:47.45 | SpeedEvil | I was resigned to it taking rather longer. |
| 13:48.24 | RST38h | wazd: The ones you have done are basically just colored shapes with text inside - they do not even look like icons :( |
| 13:49.48 | MohammadAG | likes it though |
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| 13:53.15 | TheBootroo | RST38h: previous ones where too |
| 13:54.47 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, overnight. |
| 13:55.26 | wazd | RST38h: maybe something like this? :) http://i033.radikal.ru/1108/3a/6e5c4c85d8e9.png |
| 13:58.13 | TheBootroo | wazd: too complicated |
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| 13:58.39 | wazd | TheBootroo: looks closer to the initial one |
| 13:59.09 | Termana | wazd, "Service Unavailable". Yes I definitely like that one better |
| 13:59.13 | Termana | ... :p |
| 13:59.22 | Termana | nevermind it loaded now |
| 13:59.23 | wazd | Termana: :D |
| 13:59.43 | RST38h | wazd: has that rabbit eaten a TI calc manual or what? =) |
| 13:59.44 | TheBootroo | wazd: yeah but the shape is too complicate |
| 14:00.40 | wazd | RST38h: you say it like it's something bad :D |
| 14:00.59 | TheBootroo | wazd: much closer to original one : http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png |
| 14:01.03 | wazd | It looks like a bomberman's head :D |
| 14:01.24 | RST38h | wazd: Not bad but reminds me of enemas, which is unpleasant |
| 14:01.31 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:01.35 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: thanks. |
| 14:02.39 | SpeedEvil | On early boot - are there any flags which will tell the kernel not to do aegis, when execed by flasher? |
| 14:02.45 | TheBootroo | RST38h: OMG |
| 14:05.44 | wazd | TheBootroo: yes, but I'll still try to find something less obvious :P |
| 14:05.57 | TheBootroo | wazd: less is best |
| 14:06.00 | TheBootroo | ;-) |
| 14:06.02 | TheBootroo | KISS |
| 14:06.47 | TheBootroo | (Keep It Simple and Straightforward) |
| 14:07.02 | TheBootroo | " simplicity should be a key goal in design, and that unnecessary complexity should be avoided. " |
| 14:07.47 | wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, say hello to J.Ive for me :P |
| 14:08.12 | TheBootroo | wazd: ok, he will surely be happy about that ;-) |
| 14:09.14 | RST38h | Bootroo: "...and everything should look like a brightly colored egg" ? |
| 14:09.23 | TheBootroo | wazd: but you know, apple is not the father of KISS philosophy |
| 14:09.42 | TheBootroo | RST38h: its the harmattan color palette, i have nothing against that |
| 14:10.00 | TheBootroo | RST38h: if the choice had been mine i would have chosen pastel colors |
| 14:10.23 | wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, and Braun too :) |
| 14:10.37 | RST38h | Bootroo: TI calcs had their own colors. I would suggest sticking to those. |
| 14:10.44 | TheBootroo | wazd: the real origin of the KISS is Kelly Johnson |
| 14:10.54 | RST38h | Absolutely no reason to use Harmattan color palette or shapes |
| 14:11.19 | TheBootroo | wazd: or even Leonardo Da Vinci : "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" |
| 14:11.35 | alterego | I'd really like gst-launch .. |
| 14:11.43 | alterego | Well, basically I'd like all the gstreamer utils |
| 14:11.48 | alterego | Has anyone packaged these yet? |
| 14:12.01 | wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, Leo was heluva simple guy :) |
| 14:12.04 | TheBootroo | RST38h: its better to integrate well with the system, visually, that why lacked to Maemo and made it look even more 'experimental' |
| 14:12.18 | TheBootroo | wazd: :D |
| 14:12.24 | RST38h | Bootroo: Ok, you integrate with the system |
| 14:12.57 | RST38h | Bootroo: I will stick to the principle that AlmostTI is a portable cross-platform app that sticks to the TI calculator style and not to the style of the platform it is running at |
| 14:13.34 | RST38h | (besides, Harmattan style isn't even a fixed thing, it can be changed on a whim) |
| 14:13.51 | TheBootroo | RST38h: ok, but providing plateform adapted icons for 9 icons is not a real pain, and make a good effect |
| 14:14.13 | TheBootroo | RST38h: harmattan style is fixed, and is a common style with symbian Belle now |
| 14:14.52 | TheBootroo | and its a quite good style with researched guideline that you just haev to follow to produce professional looking stuff |
| 14:14.54 | MohammadAG | so, theechonest can decode wavs made by arecord but not those by QMediaRecorder |
| 14:15.08 | RST38h | Bootroo: ok, thanks. |
| 14:15.11 | MohammadAG | anyone used QMediaRecorder before? |
| 14:15.37 | TheBootroo | alterego: talkin about gst, do you have tested the front camera of n950 ? quality is better than N900 one i hope ... |
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| 14:18.24 | Kypeli | Are there known issues with pop():n more than once from the pageStack() |
| 14:18.41 | Kypeli | If I pop twice, I get to the correct page but it seems it does not have focus. |
| 14:18.49 | Kypeli | If I pop once, all is fine. |
| 14:19.08 | TheBootroo | Kypeli: maybe you should wait for the animation to finish before poping again |
| 14:19.19 | Kypeli | I can't do that. |
| 14:19.29 | Kypeli | I want to go from subpage 2 to front page. |
| 14:19.51 | spenap | Kypeli, there's another option, let me check |
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| 14:20.00 | Kypeli | spenap: Thanks |
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| 14:21.27 | spenap | Kypeli, if you check the PageStack element in http://library.developer.nokia.com/, you'll find that pop has this signature: PageStack::pop ( page, immediate ) -> Pops a page off the stack. If the page is specified then the stack is unwound to that page; null to unwind the to first page. If the immediate argument is true then no transition animation is performed. Returns the page instance that was popped off the stack. |
| 14:21.40 | spenap | there's also a PageStack::replace ( page, properties, immediate ) method |
| 14:21.59 | spenap | hope that helps |
| 14:22.08 | Kypeli | spenap: Thaks! I'll look into that. |
| 14:22.36 | spenap | :), np |
| 14:22.44 | alterego | TheBootroo: part of the reason I wanted to have gst-tools package. |
| 14:22.51 | alterego | I might have to build it myself .. |
| 14:22.53 | TheBootroo | alterego: ok |
| 14:23.02 | TheBootroo | alterego: tell me when you finished ;-) |
| 14:24.00 | alterego | Well, that's if I get around to it ;) |
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| 14:40.03 | Kypeli | spenap: Thanks for the tip, that solved the issue! |
| 14:40.09 | spenap | great :) |
| 14:40.16 | Kypeli | spenap: Although it due seems like a kludge and popping twice not working seems like a bug... |
| 14:40.25 | Kypeli | popping twice not working - I mean :) |
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| 14:42.19 | spenap | then, maybe you could file a bug: if from the docs you feel like it's not following the expected behaviour, it's a bug either in the docs or in the behaviour :D |
| 14:42.33 | Kypeli | True :) |
| 14:42.44 | Kypeli | I might wait for the final release first... |
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| 14:46.15 | Venemo_N950 | hmm, my irc client is taking shape |
| 14:46.17 | Venemo_N950 | it won't be long until it becomes actually usable |
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| 15:01.59 | wazd | RST38h: I had a vision |
| 15:02.29 | wazd | RST38h: I'll show it in 10 minutes :) |
| 15:03.03 | rm_work | great prophet wazd? :P |
| 15:03.34 | wazd | rm_you: sorta :D |
| 15:04.57 | RST38h | wazd: ? =) |
| 15:05.29 | RST38h | wazd: lemme guess, each of the ti model icon is gonna be a HelloKitty face? |
| 15:07.11 | wazd | RST38h: damn! You had it too! |
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| 15:15.16 | Venemo_N950 | hm, could anyone help me please? |
| 15:15.38 | Venemo_N950 | I need someone to send me a private message, so that I can see how my irc client reacts |
| 15:16.06 | mgedmin | Venemo_N950, feel free |
| 15:16.18 | Jaffa | mutters about http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ (and UK) and the hopeful way he'd been defending the lack of availability on nokia.com |
| 15:16.38 | Venemo_N950 | spenap, thanks |
| 15:16.50 | Venemo_N950 | spenap, did you get my answer? |
| 15:16.55 | spenap | Venemo_N950, yes |
| 15:17.15 | fiferboy | Jaffa: I just saw that :( |
| 15:17.21 | Venemo_N950 | hm |
| 15:19.21 | mgedmin | Venemo_N950, is this N950 nick registered with nickserv? |
| 15:19.22 | vladest | Jaffa: US citizens will enjoy with brilliant wp7 :> |
| 15:20.25 | Venemo_N950 | interestingly enough, I send the private message reply as plain Message, not PRIVMSG or NOTICE |
| 15:21.03 | Venemo_N950 | but it's good that you still get it |
| 15:22.00 | qgil | hi, anybody with an N950 / N9 willing to give feedback about my not-so-so-dummy Miniature chess UI package? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12315#c12 |
| 15:22.02 | povbot | Bug 12315: Placeholder to upload Miniature UI source and packages |
| 15:22.05 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12315 nor, Medium, ---, alexey.kuznetsov, RELE FIXED, libmeegochat should be ported to telepathy-qt4 0.5.x |
| 15:27.27 | wazd | RST38h: http://i057.radikal.ru/1108/3b/7912b1a424ef.png ? |
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| 15:27.28 | mgedmin | is, sadly, without a working N950 at the moment |
| 15:27.37 | mgedmin | wonders if qgil received his email |
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| 15:30.49 | qgil | mgedmin: yes I did and actually my planned answer was 'check the email that was written down in the ACCEPTED email you got, since N950 device related problems are handled by Nokia Developer directly' |
| 15:31.00 | qgil | mgedmin: does this serve as an answer? :) |
| 15:32.39 | mgedmin | qgil, do you mean the "If there are problems with the process please contact Nokia.Developer.Launchpad@nokia.com" bit? |
| 15:32.49 | mgedmin | I wasn't sure if problems with the *device* counted as problems with the process |
| 15:32.52 | qgil | mgedmin: yep |
| 15:33.08 | qgil | mgedmin: fair enough, now you know :) |
| 15:33.25 | mgedmin | thanks, I'll get out of your hair now :) |
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| 15:34.41 | lardman | what's the deal with QSettings application settings, are they backed up automatically, or do I need to extract them, write to file and back that up? |
| 15:34.41 | fiferboy | Venemo_N950: You parted here and the private msg |
| 15:34.55 | fiferboy | (I have part messages turned off so I had to check the user list) |
| 15:35.19 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, ok :) |
| 15:35.23 | fiferboy | lardman: How are you using QSettings? ini file? I can't remember what the Linux default is |
| 15:35.32 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Still exhibiting bad blocks? |
| 15:35.46 | Venemo_N950 | something screwed up the autocompletion... :( |
| 15:35.59 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, could you privmsg me again? |
| 15:38.22 | mgedmin | SpeedEvil, http://pastie.org/2345447 |
| 15:38.41 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: :/ |
| 15:38.45 | mgedmin | now it won't boot at all |
| 15:38.55 | lardman | fiferboy: seems it is a conf file http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/qsettings.html#platform-specific-notes |
| 15:39.38 | fiferboy | lardman: I usually specify a location and ini format, but I think a conf file will go to .config |
| 15:39.46 | fiferboy | And then whatever you registered your app name is |
| 15:40.09 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Interesting - so the flasher program apparantly boots it into an image |
| 15:40.24 | mgedmin | interesting how the flasher fails at an earlier point after each attempt |
| 15:40.55 | mgedmin | could it have run out of spare blocks for write leveling? |
| 15:41.42 | mgedmin | I don't quite see how that would be possible... |
| 15:42.19 | thp | mgedmin: still no luck with the reflash? |
| 15:42.40 | mgedmin | maybe fbreader forces an sqlite fsync() every 30 seconds, and that causes a write? but I only read 4 books during the last couple of weeks |
| 15:42.48 | mgedmin | thp, http://pastie.org/2345447 |
| 15:42.56 | mgedmin | love the "unsuccess" message flasher gives |
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| 15:44.43 | thp | mgedmin: did you try cold flashing? for this, you have to extract the flasher out of the single-click flasher package |
| 15:45.07 | mgedmin | I don't even know what cold flashing is |
| 15:46.07 | thp | me neither. but sometimes it has been suggested to me that a cold flash could help |
| 15:46.19 | thp | it's described in flasher's help |
| 15:46.44 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: yes, that sort of thing can be caused by running out of spare blocks. |
| 15:46.47 | thp | (compared to previous flashers, the harmattan flasher has really informative help texts) |
| 15:47.06 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: This can be due to actual hardware faults - for example cracks even. |
| 15:47.35 | mgedmin | SpeedEvil, hmm! |
| 15:47.55 | rm_work | qgil: i can try the chess thing when i get home, internet/3G signal is no bueno in the office :( |
| 15:48.27 | kimju | mgedmin, did you already contact nokia about that? |
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| 15:48.57 | mgedmin | I sent an email to qgil, and then re-sent it to Nokia.Developer.Launchpad@nokia.com just now |
| 15:49.04 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Unfortunately, there is no nice way for the MMC to signal 'I am broken' in a graceful way - it just gives block errors - that may move round the disk. |
| 15:49.46 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 15:50.09 | lardman | fiferboy: yep, so looks like I need to back it up myself then |
| 15:50.15 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, have you received "i added the option to query a user" in a query? |
| 15:50.27 | mgedmin | I've noticed it had trouble rebooting pretty early on, but then it used to come up nicely after that 'device malfunctioning' screen, and things worked |
| 15:50.43 | mgedmin | for a couple of weeks |
| 15:50.57 | fiferboy | lardman: Yes, I haven't looked at the backup process for Harmattan yet |
| 15:51.15 | lardman | can't back up a dir any more, has to be a file |
| 15:51.37 | lardman | so you need a backup (and restore)s script to generate e.g. a tar file |
| 15:51.56 | lardman | not too bad, but docs could do with some examples |
| 15:52.55 | rm_work | Jaffa / fiferboy / GAN900 : WUT |
| 15:53.08 | rm_work | Jaffa / fiferboy / GAN900 : ^^^ n9 not in the US |
| 15:53.38 | fiferboy | rm_work: Looks that way :( |
| 15:53.50 | GAN900 | rm_work, lol. |
| 15:53.52 | rm_work | what |
| 15:53.54 | rm_work | the |
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| 15:54.47 | GAN900 | The world is going down in flames. |
| 15:54.56 | GAN900 | Welcome to the New World Order. :P |
| 15:55.00 | rm_work | this is just retarded |
| 15:55.31 | rm_work | i've been trying to stay upbeat and keep morale up around here for a while |
| 15:55.36 | rm_work | but this just fucking takes the cake |
| 15:58.49 | fiferboy | rm_work: It is hardly surprising - North America doesn't get the top end Nokias |
| 15:59.00 | GAN900 | Idiocy everywhere. |
| 15:59.01 | rm_work | >_> |
| 15:59.11 | rm_work | is this because americans are morons? |
| 15:59.27 | Jaffa | fiferboy: The UK does, though |
| 15:59.31 | rm_work | i mean, i'm not arguing it :P |
| 15:59.37 | fiferboy | Jaffa: Yes, that is a bit more unexplainable |
| 15:59.40 | rm_work | americans as a whole totally are retarded |
| 16:00.01 | Jaffa | Elop is N. American. Point proven ;-) |
| 16:00.09 | rm_work | OH SHIT |
| 16:00.13 | rm_work | Elop is from the US? |
| 16:00.20 | rm_work | can we disown him somehow? |
| 16:00.28 | rm_work | whats the term for that |
| 16:00.50 | fiferboy | forgets Elop is from his home town >_> |
| 16:01.01 | rm_work | O_o |
| 16:01.28 | rm_work | if you ever manage to use a time machine... go back and punch him in the face for me plzkthx |
| 16:02.18 | rm_work | god damnit. |
| 16:02.28 | rm_work | any sort of marketing whatsoever maybe? no? |
| 16:02.42 | rm_work | i guess they had those 9 second clips or whatever |
| 16:02.47 | rm_work | <_< |
| 16:02.56 | rm_work | cause that was such a pinnacle of marketing genious |
| 16:03.52 | rm_work | i'm sure all 10 people who actually heard they existed were really swayed by their 9 seconds of wtf |
| 16:05.37 | frals | elop is canadian, not usa |
| 16:06.38 | rm_work | whew, close call |
| 16:06.57 | alterego | Might as well be American |
| 16:06.57 | hiemanshu | well everything from canada is stupid either ways |
| 16:06.58 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 16:07.21 | rm_work | yeah, canada is basically the US anyway :P |
| 16:07.23 | rm_work | also runs |
| 16:07.37 | fiferboy | You guys better watch out >:-( |
| 16:07.51 | GAN900 | alterego, not hardly. |
| 16:07.58 | alterego | It's like the pretty sane part of the US |
| 16:08.03 | rm_work | what, the mounties will come get us? :P |
| 16:08.13 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: I am in India, you cannot track me even I told you exactly where I lived |
| 16:08.15 | fiferboy | Mounties always get their man! |
| 16:08.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:08.24 | rm_work | :P |
| 16:08.55 | rm_work | man, but seriously, this is STUPID |
| 16:09.06 | rm_work | not even releasing the phone in the US... |
| 16:09.09 | rm_work | why do i even try |
| 16:09.15 | rm_work | i may as well just go buy an android |
| 16:09.22 | hiemanshu | or an iPhone |
| 16:09.28 | rm_work | may i can pick up android SDK |
| 16:09.28 | fiferboy | rm_work: No! |
| 16:09.31 | rm_work | *maybe |
| 16:09.52 | fiferboy | rm_work: Trust me, the Android SDK is not that exciting |
| 16:09.56 | rm_work | fiferboy: i suppose it doesn't matter for me anyway, i have n950 until they pry it from my cold, dead hands :P |
| 16:10.17 | fiferboy | rm_work: There you go - if you think only about yourself everything is fine :D |
| 16:10.21 | rm_work | since i didn't really want the n9 anyway, just the n950 :P |
| 16:10.24 | rm_work | but it's depressing |
| 16:10.36 | rm_work | since no one is going to HAVE the phone for me to write apps for <_< |
| 16:10.36 | hiemanshu | meh, its fun being selfish |
| 16:10.54 | hiemanshu | rm_work: write apps for what you'll use yourself |
| 16:10.56 | fiferboy | I think Jaffa has it way worse: he was right to expect it would be available in the UK |
| 16:11.17 | rm_work | i was hoping maybe for once i could write apps and people i meet in the US might ACTUALLY have heard of the phone i work on |
| 16:11.18 | rm_work | T_T |
| 16:11.20 | hiemanshu | they are launching it in India though |
| 16:11.41 | rm_work | did they confirm it isn't launching in the UK? |
| 16:12.02 | rm_work | was this some sort of microsoft contract thing? can't compete in the major english speaking markets? |
| 16:12.04 | alterego | It'll come to the UK, I'm sure. |
| 16:12.11 | fiferboy | rm_work: To about the same level as they confirm it won't be in the states |
| 16:13.47 | GAN900 | rm_work, saw a guy with an N900 yesterday |
| 16:14.00 | rm_work | GAN900: lolwut |
| 16:14.06 | fiferboy | GAN900: :-O |
| 16:14.07 | rm_work | that just... doesn't happen |
| 16:14.12 | hiemanshu | I know about 10 people with N900s |
| 16:14.18 | hiemanshu | as in met em |
| 16:14.22 | rm_work | i've only ever seen 3 other people in the US with an N900 |
| 16:14.37 | rm_work | one of them is a friend that bought it based on my recommendation |
| 16:14.37 | hiemanshu | I have seen people with a N900 in 2009 |
| 16:14.42 | fiferboy | I've NEVER seen one in the wild in Cananda |
| 16:14.50 | hiemanshu | Nokia/Maemo had a stall at a FOSS event |
| 16:15.00 | rm_work | one of them is a friend that got it the same time as me, when they gave them out at the summit |
| 16:15.02 | fiferboy | Of course, Canadian wilds are pretty vast.. |
| 16:15.07 | hiemanshu | rm_work: no devs? |
| 16:15.20 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: meh canada |
| 16:15.20 | rm_work | and one of them i met at TX LinuxFest, who apparently also got it at the summit |
| 16:15.22 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 16:15.43 | hiemanshu | wonders if rm_work has me on ignore or something |
| 16:16.05 | rm_work | was finishing typing those out :P |
| 16:16.12 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 16:16.18 | rm_work | i only put trolls on /ignore :P |
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| 16:16.22 | rm_work | no devs really |
| 16:16.24 | rm_work | just me |
| 16:16.26 | fiferboy | hiemanshu: I'm about to put you on ignore :P |
| 16:16.29 | rm_work | but that's good |
| 16:16.34 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: hah |
| 16:16.54 | hiemanshu | rm_work: I know a few maemo/meego devs that I met who have an N900 from as long as I know em |
| 16:16.57 | rm_work | there's a difference between trolling and poking fun in good faith :P |
| 16:17.17 | hiemanshu | and a few I know who even have a N950 |
| 16:17.25 | rm_work | hiemanshu: i don't know any other maemo/meego devs IRL that i didn't first meet at a maemo event |
| 16:17.47 | rm_work | i may have the only N950 in Texas, besides if Texrat has one |
| 16:18.14 | rm_work | guessing GAN900 has the only one in Florida |
| 16:18.32 | rm_work | there's probably... what, 10 in the US? |
| 16:18.47 | fiferboy | qole probably has the only one in BC |
| 16:18.57 | fiferboy | But I know of at least three others in Ontario |
| 16:18.59 | rm_work | wait, where are you? |
| 16:19.01 | rm_work | ack |
| 16:19.07 | rm_work | oh nm that's ok |
| 16:19.15 | rm_work | was afraid you were in Montreal |
| 16:19.48 | fiferboy | rm_work: Only if it is against my will, and not in at least 8 years :) |
| 16:20.00 | rm_work | yeah, that place should be cordoned off |
| 16:20.08 | rm_work | and big warning signs placed around it |
| 16:20.23 | rm_work | DANGER: FRENCH CANADIANS |
| 16:20.54 | rm_work | EXTREME DANGER ALERT |
| 16:20.56 | rm_work | Continue at your own peril! |
| 16:21.20 | hiemanshu | rm_work: every flight to .ca should be cancelled, Reason: For you own good, who wants to go there anyways |
| 16:21.27 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:21.28 | fiferboy | rm_work: You said you work with some Montreal guys? |
| 16:21.29 | rm_work | BC is nice :P |
| 16:21.31 | hiemanshu | runs avoiding bumping into fiferboy |
| 16:21.35 | rm_work | fiferboy: true |
| 16:22.34 | rm_work | and i have to go through all kinds of BS because they passed laws that REQUIRE all user interfaces for computer software be made available in both english AND french |
| 16:23.22 | fiferboy | hiemanshu: Don't worry, in Ontario there are 14 people per km^2, you won't bump into me :) |
| 16:23.32 | rm_work | so for our company of 25,000 employees, of whom 24400 speak english, i have to translate everything I do >_< |
| 16:23.43 | hiemanshu | rm_work: if I could have my way, I would replace everything with icons, and send write a legend instead |
| 16:23.45 | rm_work | into french |
| 16:24.04 | rm_work | it's just a PITA |
| 16:24.10 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: well yeah, India is really really populated, so you would bump info half a million people before bumping into me |
| 16:24.25 | fiferboy | Two different worlds |
| 16:24.32 | rm_work | about 75% of the people that work in the IS dept here are indian |
| 16:24.52 | hiemanshu | yeah, Indians are taking over! |
| 16:24.58 | fiferboy | rm_work: How do you go about translating? |
| 16:25.30 | rm_work | fiferboy: we have a guy who defected from french canada like 10 years back |
| 16:26.10 | rm_work | he does initial translations, and then we pass them over to *them* for QA |
| 16:26.23 | rm_work | that or I pass it through google translate and call it good :P |
| 16:27.22 | fiferboy | hiemanshu: Canada pop density: 3.731; India pop density: 368 |
| 16:27.31 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:27.51 | fiferboy | Google translate should be good enough for anyone |
| 16:27.58 | rm_work | we've got like 3 Subramanian's working here |
| 16:28.15 | rm_work | still trying to figure out how to pronounce that right |
| 16:29.51 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: yup, just like I said |
| 16:31.30 | GAN900 | rm_work, one of three I know of. |
| 16:31.32 | fiferboy | 7 of the top 10 most densly populated citys in the world are in india |
| 16:31.40 | GAN900 | The two others were purchased on my recommendation. |
| 16:32.14 | GAN900 | rm_work, how is that even remotely the government's business? . . . . |
| 16:33.26 | rm_work | GAN900: was referring to N950, with you being the only one in Florida |
| 16:33.57 | rm_work | and yeah, they're being dicks about "we speak french, LISTEN TO US DAMNIT WE SPEAK FRENCH" like whiny little babies |
| 16:34.17 | rm_work | all the french canadians i've talked to sound like they have a stick up their ass |
| 16:34.25 | rm_work | and they work 34 hour weeks |
| 16:35.18 | rm_work | and we'll be in the middle of a crazy launch working 11 hour days and they're like "sorry, we're going home, good luck with your deadline. what's that? you need translations done to comply with our province's laws? well, it'll have to be done on monday, have a good working weekend!" |
| 16:35.52 | fiferboy | rm_work: Lucky I'm not French Canadian |
| 16:36.11 | rm_work | yeah :P |
| 16:36.31 | GAN900 | rm_work, oh, I'm surel |
| 16:36.53 | GAN900 | I hate hour-limited work week laws. |
| 16:37.04 | GAN900 | Damn statist bastards should all go die. |
| 16:37.15 | rm_work | i can't believe that the only racism i really subscribe to ends up being against French Canadians >_> |
| 16:37.18 | rm_work | wtf is that about |
| 16:37.23 | GAN900 | fiferboy, well, you wouldn't be here if you were. :P |
| 16:37.26 | rm_work | who's racist against french canadians >_> |
| 16:37.28 | GAN900 | rm_work, it's not racism. |
| 16:37.31 | GAN900 | It's tribalism. |
| 16:37.34 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:37.36 | rm_work | k |
| 16:37.38 | GAN900 | Seriously. |
| 16:37.44 | rm_work | good differentiation i guess :P |
| 16:37.47 | GAN900 | It's not their genetic heritage you're worried about |
| 16:37.57 | rm_work | i guess it's Culturism |
| 16:37.58 | GAN900 | it's cultural and political heritage. |
| 16:38.10 | rm_work | also i don't like people who are dicks |
| 16:38.15 | rm_work | and they're a whole city of dicks |
| 16:38.28 | rm_work | ask anyone who has been there and doesn't speak french |
| 16:38.29 | GAN900 | The vast majority of things people play the race card on these days are actually tribalist. |
| 16:38.44 | rm_work | anyway |
| 16:38.46 | rm_work | bbl, lunch |
| 16:38.57 | fiferboy | rm_work: I worked with a guy in Toronto who was straight out of Quebec - he was the nicest guy o_O |
| 16:38.59 | rm_work | lunches |
| 16:39.00 | fiferboy | It was weird |
| 16:39.44 | rm_work | maybe our company's office in quebec just hires dicks? >_> but no, because everyone i talk to who has vacationed there said they got treated like complete shit as tourists |
| 16:40.01 | rm_work | maybe they just don't like tourists? or programmers? |
| 16:40.02 | rm_work | >_> |
| 16:40.09 | fiferboy | That could be |
| 16:40.10 | rm_work | really goes to lunch |
| 16:40.42 | GAN900 | lol |
| 16:40.46 | GAN900 | Come to Florida! |
| 16:40.52 | GAN900 | We like our tourists. :P |
| 16:41.14 | fiferboy | GAN900: I head some of the bookstore clerks can be sarcastic to Candian Tourists :-O |
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| 16:51.43 | Venemo_N950 | hey |
| 16:52.12 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, sorry, I had no time to push, had to leave cuse my train leaves shortly |
| 16:52.31 | rcg | hey Venemo_N950: looks like you're making progress :) |
| 16:54.49 | fiferboy | Venemo_N950: NP |
| 16:55.14 | alterego | Shame we don't even have a qml viewer package. |
| 16:55.36 | hardaker2 | rm_work: I just spent a week in Quebec for work (as a programmer). I had no one treat me poorly. Everyone was quite nice... But I was inside *way* too much. |
| 16:56.14 | hardaker2 | that was quebec city though, which is tourist central and thus they probably have to cater to tourists. |
| 16:57.07 | Venemo_N950 | rcg, yeah, I am :) |
| 16:58.01 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, it still segfaults when I try to close a query though |
| 16:58.21 | Venemo_N950 | but at least it now wraps longer lines |
| 17:00.17 | fiferboy | Nice |
| 17:00.23 | fiferboy | Sounds like good progress |
| 17:00.41 | fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Doesn't segfault when you part a chan? |
| 17:00.52 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, nope |
| 17:01.25 | Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, very curious, isn't it |
| 17:02.08 | fiferboy | INdeed |
| 17:02.36 | Venemo_N950 | my guess would be that it's something obvious that I didn't notice |
| 17:02.42 | Venemo_N950 | hm |
| 17:03.54 | Jaffa | rm_work: alterego: CPW have said no to N9 in UK, but they could be referring to direct from them off-contract (not that they sell many phones like that) |
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| 17:05.07 | Venemo_N950 | hm, it kinda works with portrait vkb |
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| 18:44.25 | wazd | RST38h: ping? |
| 18:46.51 | wazd | meh :( |
| 18:47.08 | wazd | All then: http://s001.radikal.ru/i193/1108/86/32653ac09268.png :) Any opinions? |
| 18:47.58 | SpeedEvil | 503 |
| 18:48.33 | wazd | SpeedEvil: refresh please :) |
| 18:48.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:49.35 | SpeedEvil | you have a calculator inside your calculator to calculate while you calculate? |
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| 18:51.32 | mgoetz | is there any magic way to speed up the harmattan QEMU from the Qt SDK? I'm using OS X |
| 18:51.46 | mgoetz | i expected it to be slow.. but not 1-sec-delay-when-flicking-QML-listview-with-mouse :( |
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| 18:57.57 | npm | wonders whether anthony weiner's photos are among the "top 5 masterful molome photographs" |
| 19:01.09 | wazd | SpeedEvil: exactly dawg! :D |
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| 19:40.11 | Ilosanoma | Anyone know what's the canonical way to show the section headers in ListView? So that it's shown in platform's style. I didn't see anything helpful in Harmattan Qt Components nor UiConstants. The bundled examples didn't have anything either. |
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| 19:41.01 | fiferboy | Ilosanoma: You mean to have the section heading styled properly? |
| 19:41.06 | fiferboy | I haven't seen anything on that either |
| 19:41.28 | Ilosanoma | fiferboy: yeah, that's what I mean |
| 19:42.18 | Ilosanoma | I guess there's at least that line thingy as image lurking somewhere in the themes |
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| 19:44.52 | fiferboy | Yeah, if you can figure out what it is called :/ |
| 19:45.22 | Ilosanoma | Right, I'm trying to find it from the SDK's sysroot at the moment |
| 19:45.24 | javispedro | aegis partially broken |
| 19:45.48 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1066794#post1066794 |
| 19:45.55 | fiferboy | meegotouch-view-header apparently |
| 19:46.10 | fiferboy | Although there are (like everything) lots of variants |
| 19:46.28 | fiferboy | Oh, no that is the page (view) header, not the list header section, sorry! |
| 19:46.43 | fiferboy | meegotouch-list-header-background looks like what you want |
| 19:48.25 | Ilosanoma | fiferboy: thanks! I didn't find that one in SDK's sysroot, I guess it's not there only in the proper theme on the device |
| 19:49.18 | fiferboy | I'll let you know if it looks right :) |
| 19:53.36 | Ilosanoma | ah good, it has inverted variant also |
| 19:54.42 | fiferboy | Scratch that: let me know if it looks right :) |
| 19:55.21 | Ilosanoma | I will, as soon as I've read enough about QML again to know how to display it (QML newbie) |
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| 20:01.52 | Venemo_N950 | good evening |
| 20:02.04 | Ilosanoma | Evening Venemo |
| 20:02.26 | Venemo_N950 | what's up? |
| 20:03.24 | Ilosanoma | They say Aegis has been broken, and in lesser problems we're just trying to figure out how to show listView's section headers in platform style |
| 20:07.26 | kimju | broken in what sense? |
| 20:07.47 | Ilosanoma | fiferboy: meegotouch-groupheader-background seems to be the correct one |
| 20:09.08 | Ilosanoma | kimju: I don't know, this stuff flies straight over my head. See the link javispedro posted. |
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| 20:15.25 | Venemo_N950 | all these channels are so quiet that I was afraid that it disconnected me again |
| 20:15.41 | Ilosanoma | Well, it did. |
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| 20:29.15 | SpeedEvil | kimju: Can be turned off. |
| 20:29.23 | SpeedEvil | From userspace |
| 20:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Letting you do arbitrary stuff. |
| 20:30.15 | kimju | details, please? :) |
| 20:30.52 | SpeedEvil | I assume it's being written up now. |
| 20:30.57 | SpeedEvil | I don't have details. |
| 20:31.15 | Ilosanoma | Yeah, tjat |
| 20:31.27 | Ilosanoma | that's good thing. Nokia has then time to fix it before N9 release o/ |
| 20:35.42 | fiferboy | Ilosanoma: Good to know, thank! |
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| 20:38.22 | Ilosanoma | I'd like to know if there's anything more cursed among developers than Aegis. And even more, I'd like to read a paper which specific threats it aims to protect from and with what solutions. So far I have just a very vague idea about the whole system. |
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| 20:39.17 | SpeedEvil | The basic idea of aegis being a good thing - or some similar framework emerged back around a couple of years ago now. |
| 20:39.49 | SpeedEvil | It was at a time when Maemo was going to be the way forward, and it was going to power hundreds of millions of phones across dozens of products. |
| 20:40.51 | SpeedEvil | Against this background, it was felt that it was worthwhile implementing a usable security system, to enable - for example - hulu clients, or ... that vendors might require IP security. |
| 20:41.31 | SpeedEvil | As a side-effect, it also means that the phones can in principle if they choose to go that way be sold so you can only get approved apps to run, and only through the app-store. |
| 20:41.33 | ieatlint | and the fact that there is more malware for symbian than any other smartphone system and nokia wanted to try and prevent that |
| 20:41.47 | Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: Do I understand correctly, that Aegis is shackles imposed upon users by content providers? |
| 20:42.00 | SpeedEvil | Debatably at this point. |
| 20:42.18 | kimju | I actually like few features of aegis. |
| 20:42.19 | SpeedEvil | I question if any vendors are actually going to be put off the n9 platform by that. |
| 20:42.38 | kimju | it is just that I can't completely override it when *I* want to do so. |
| 20:42.42 | SpeedEvil | That aren't put off by the low effort Nokia's puttinginto launch. |
| 20:43.13 | SpeedEvil | (the above is largely speculation on motives, but based on what has come out of nokia in terms of presentations and ... |
| 20:43.21 | Ilosanoma | That leaves even worse smell of Aegis into my nose than before. I thought it was to preserve the system's integrity against malicious programs etc. |
| 20:43.44 | SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: It's not really one or the other, it's both. |
| 20:43.44 | ieatlint | the fact that the sdk lacks any aegis integration is what irks me |
| 20:44.26 | ieatlint | symbian was the same... it should have a UI to do the manifest files, and the ability to detect which capabilities you need |
| 20:44.57 | Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: hopefully so... though I'm yet to be convinced it can protect against malware. As far as I've understood, you pack up a .deb and it's approved by Aegis to be run. But I don't know about the system enough. |
| 20:45.01 | kimju | Ilosanoma, it protects against software from unknown origins. it also provides secured storage for sensitive data. it can prevent malicious programs (even after installing) from doing some bad things.. |
| 20:45.32 | kimju | it is definedly not only a bad thing. |
| 20:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: Sure - in its present config. |
| 20:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: However, it doesn't have to be setup to allow packages signe by you to run. |
| 20:48.50 | ieatlint | aegis is a security system, and like all security systems it creates inconvenience |
| 20:49.25 | ieatlint | the only question is whether the inconvenience is worse than the security problems it fixes |
| 20:49.40 | ieatlint | and that's debatable :P |
| 21:03.28 | Ilosanoma | Right... if it's smart enough, it can be good. If it's too strict, it will be bad. The basic problem is always the user. Displaying a warning about installing from untrusted source is not going to stop a user. But not allowing users to install stuff anywhere else than walled gardens is also bad. So basically I don't know if Aegis any solution to this basic problem. |
| 21:04.12 | ieatlint | i don't know enough about aegis. i've run into issues with it, sure |
| 21:06.21 | Ilosanoma | I'd guess walled gardens would serve 90% of users well. And if you could just drop into terminal and issue a simple command, and after that you could install stuff from elsewhere, I'd imagine both more advanced users and regular mom-and-dad type users would be well served. |
| 21:06.49 | Ilosanoma | Aegis kinda seems like an overkill to me, but like I said, I don't know enough about it. |
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| 21:49.51 | thp | did anyone try to port the maemo 5 flashlight applet / app to harmattan / the n950? |
| 21:50.02 | ieatlint | anyone here good with networking? if i have a 192.168.0.0/23 network, is the 192.168.1.0 ip usable on a device? |
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| 21:51.21 | Ilosanoma | thp: I don't know, but I do know that Peter Schneider of Nokia's Maemo/MeeGo tweeted about using flashlight app on N9 |
| 21:54.42 | kimju | ieatlint, in theory, yes. |
| 21:55.25 | ieatlint | meh, then in theory i just got an interview question wrong and said 509 ips were usable on a /23 |
| 21:55.50 | thp | ieatlint: what's that? cisco ccna course? ;) |
| 21:55.57 | Ilosanoma | I'd like to have a flashlight app on n950 also. The Meaemo one's description seemed dubious if it'd work on N950, so I didn't try it |
| 21:56.14 | ieatlint | nah, tech company |
| 21:56.39 | kimju | it's not network nor broadcast, so it's usable. |
| 21:57.01 | thp | Ilosanoma: well the maemo one uses some V4L2 magic - maybe it works on harmattan, haven't tried |
| 21:57.02 | kimju | I'd avoid using it if possible though. |
| 21:57.26 | ieatlint | yeah, i wasn't sure, so i picked one because i was taught that some devices really don't like being assigned an ip with the last digit as 0 |
| 21:57.34 | ieatlint | digit/octet |
| 21:57.40 | Ilosanoma | thp: the Maemo one I looked at talked about the camera shutter etc. that N950 doesn't have, so I was wary of it |
| 21:58.13 | thp | ieatlint: could be for devices that don't support classless routing (?) |
| 21:58.47 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm not worried, the answer showed thought and understanding, and that's what they're after |
| 21:59.25 | thp | ieatlint: the CIDR article on wp should be helpful, although i don't remember too well the details |
| 21:59.59 | thp | Ilosanoma: well the camera shutter should be the least of the problem. as far as i can tell from the code, it only uses it to hide/show the widget and disable the light (when the shutter is closed) |
| 22:00.20 | ieatlint | nah, i understand it well enough already, and it's less CIDR and just netmasking |
| 22:00.37 | ieatlint | it's a filter question to get rid of people who have no clue |
| 22:00.41 | kimju | if they ask about a /23 network then cidr support is given.. |
| 22:01.14 | ieatlint | sure, but CIDR is the notation, netmasking is where is the answer lies |
| 22:01.30 | Ilosanoma | thp: alright cool, then maybe it has a chance of working. I got the impression from the description that it'd activate only if shutter is opened. |
| 22:01.36 | thp | then the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing says /23 can have 512 hosts |
| 22:02.00 | kimju | eh? |
| 22:02.11 | ieatlint | yeah, it does |
| 22:02.14 | ieatlint | they asked usable |
| 22:02.22 | ieatlint | and the first and last ips aren't usable |
| 22:02.41 | ieatlint | my only question was if the other ip with the last octet of 0 was usable or not |
| 22:04.08 | thp | i think so |
| 22:04.13 | thp | although it has its problems apparently |
| 22:04.39 | ieatlint | haha, sounds like they asked a good question |
| 22:04.45 | kimju | all ip stacks are broken, some more than others. |
| 22:05.33 | ieatlint | my answer is debatablly correct or incorrect, which makes it correct when the question was being used to gage knowledge and thought process over random trivia |
| 22:05.57 | Ilosanoma | Humm... I've never liked trick questions that are focused on minute details of technology like that. What you've answered shows understanding, the details are a little spec browsing |
| 22:05.59 | thp | i just know that my isp for some reason doesn't route to IPs ending in .255 (which is a bug and crappy) |
| 22:06.02 | thp | http://xdsl.at/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32280 |
| 22:06.38 | ieatlint | ah, yeah, which means that if the answer isn't 509, it might be 508 |
| 22:06.49 | thp | "it depends" is always a good answer |
| 22:06.51 | ieatlint | err, if the answer isn't 510 it might be 508 |
| 22:07.16 | ieatlint | yeah, the "it depends" want my answer for the awesome "what does a sticky bit do?" |
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| 22:20.19 | Ilosanoma | Sleep time, laters |
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| 22:54.30 | javispedro | so, should I publish the instructions to disable aegis or not? :) |
| 22:55.46 | javispedro | is pondering about the consequences... |
| 23:03.21 | alterego | javispedro: I think you should K) |
| 23:03.28 | alterego | !) |
| 23:06.18 | javispedro | already done |
| 23:09.42 | javispedro | after all, since hawaii suggested editing the restok.conf file and qole did so without any complain from aegis, there's not a much long train of thought to manipulating aegis to one's convenience. |
| 23:23.41 | javispedro | still it's not a true crack; nokia could kill this at any moment and it won't work on devices that cannot enter developer mode. |
| 23:26.36 | antman8969 | where did you publish to? |
| 23:26.57 | antman8969 | javispedro |
| 23:27.08 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1066889&postcount=11 |
| 23:28.07 | antman8969 | with aegis "disabled", will new kernels boot? |
| 23:28.17 | antman8969 | oh wait, bad question lol |
| 23:28.19 | antman8969 | spoke too soon |
| 23:28.21 | javispedro | no, this only disables it after boot. |
| 23:30.29 | antman8969 | very cool, nice work |
| 23:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | So, Aegis dead yet? |
| 23:37.39 | javispedro | partially |
| 23:43.01 | javispedro | let's say, it can now be put "under user control" once the system is booted |
| 23:43.14 | javispedro | but not before |
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