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| 02:22.02 | TSCHAKeee | damn, I am having a brain fart |
| 02:22.12 | TSCHAKeee | I need to right align an icon, where do I anchor? |
| 02:22.44 | TSCHAKeee | inside the rectangle, close to the right edge |
| 02:23.47 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: right side to right side of rectangle? |
| 02:24.09 | TSCHAKeee | yeah.. something like |
| 02:24.18 | hiemanshu | anchor.right = parent.right |
| 02:24.19 | TSCHAKeee | [ Some Text ^ ] |
| 02:24.28 | TSCHAKeee | where i am trying to position the carat |
| 02:25.09 | TSCHAKeee | oh shit i should be looking at TumblerButton |
| 02:25.40 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: anchor it and use an anchor margin? |
| 02:25.47 | TSCHAKeee | yup |
| 02:25.49 | TSCHAKeee | that does it |
| 02:26.03 | TSCHAKeee | i'm basically making a header that can pop up a context menu |
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| 02:26.19 | TSCHAKeee | I found the up/down icon thingy |
| 02:26.23 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 02:26.33 | TSCHAKeee | and am just trying to fudge stuff that's in MTF |
| 02:26.35 | TSCHAKeee | :P |
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| 02:29.24 | hiemanshu | hah ok |
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| 02:45.30 | n950evil | This is a test of the vkbd |
| 02:45.39 | n950evil | hmm |
| 02:45.43 | hiemanshu | n950evil: hah, like it? |
| 02:46.09 | n950evil | definately easier in landsx |
| 02:46.15 | n950evil | scape |
| 02:46.55 | hiemanshu | well if you find a bug or want something added, patches are welcome :) |
| 02:47.11 | n950evil | I think I would l |
| 02:47.36 | hiemanshu | is trying to implement /exec |
| 02:47.59 | n950evil | prefer vkbd edges a bit further from horizontal edges. |
| 02:48.20 | TSCHAKeee | can MenuLayouts get their items from data models ? |
| 02:48.29 | n950evil | Though not your fault. |
| 02:48.48 | n950evil | no clue, sorry |
| 02:49.10 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: yes, look at https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter and how we have models |
| 02:50.31 | n950evil | I added some.bits to the wiki features page, nothing novel though. |
| 02:50.35 | TSCHAKeee | actually i did look at that |
| 02:50.54 | TSCHAKeee | hiemanshu: basically, I have a context menu, and rather than statically defining menuitems, i'm wanting to grab them from a model... |
| 02:52.02 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: you need to set Q_PROPERTY for stuff that you want to be able to access, Q_INVOKABLE for functions that QML can access, and then register them with qml using qmlRegisterType |
| 02:52.21 | TSCHAKeee | *nod* yeah, I'm using the bits from ListViews |
| 02:52.38 | TSCHAKeee | already have my stuff exposed from C++ into the QML |
| 02:53.12 | TSCHAKeee | makes a pic |
| 02:53.32 | hiemanshu | I have to run for a bit, I'll be back in 10 |
| 02:54.26 | MohammadAG | shouldn't a Flickable extend when the children resize? |
| 02:56.29 | TSCHAKeee | hiemanshu: http://hphotos-ash4.fbcdn.net/287919_10150247562377115_716957114_7708124_5934020_o.jpg |
| 03:02.59 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes |
| 03:03.07 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: hmm, whats wrong with it? |
| 03:03.15 | TSCHAKeee | those are static |
| 03:03.18 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, it's not for me |
| 03:03.26 | TSCHAKeee | hiemanshu: i need to get those menu items from a model |
| 03:05.14 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: make a repeater and get the data from the model |
| 03:05.26 | TSCHAKeee | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:05.29 | TSCHAKeee | *click* |
| 03:05.32 | TSCHAKeee | :) |
| 03:06.06 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: look at the ChatPage https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/blobs/master/qml/harmattan/ChatPage.qml#line117 |
| 03:06.21 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: it does for me |
| 03:07.10 | TSCHAKeee | completely understood, thanks hiemanshu |
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| 18:11.12 | GAN900 | Has anybody encountered any more Components hurdles they'd like better documented in an Improved Qt Components Widget Gallery application? |
| 18:11.40 | TSCHAKeee | we should have a header bar component in there |
| 18:22.52 | fiferboy | (I hope) missing components isn't what GAN means, but undocumented component features |
| 18:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 18:23.55 | RST38h | moos |
| 18:24.13 | RST38h | GAN: I stopped counting my hurdles after some point |
| 18:25.26 | javispedro | Google is worse every day |
| 18:25.45 | javispedro | I just googled for "tabco" wanting to know what the fuss is about and the first result was about "tobacco" |
| 18:25.53 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 18:26.11 | TSCHAKeee | Tomacco. ;) |
| 18:27.44 | rzr | tomma: ping |
| 18:27.55 | RST38h | javispedro: yes, they are starting to make assumptions about your intentions |
| 18:28.18 | RST38h | javispedro: never a good idea for people whose intentions differ from the crowd |
| 18:32.59 | SpeedEvil | argh - teeny scratch on the camera window - thankfully not over the camera. |
| 18:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Some slip-on cover would be awesome. |
| 18:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: got your "coffin"? |
| 18:34.31 | SpeedEvil | huh? |
| 18:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | 950 |
| 18:36.52 | tomma | rzr, pong |
| 18:38.11 | rzr | tomma: fire! |
| 18:38.40 | rzr | tomma: i failed to build your package |
| 18:38.55 | rzr | tomma: I am trying again now |
| 18:39.05 | tomma | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/cuteexplorer |
| 18:39.14 | tomma | uploaded compiled package there too |
| 18:40.14 | rzr | what are the benefit over gitorious ? |
| 18:41.15 | javispedro | I see a bugtracker for a start |
| 18:41.48 | tomma | bugtracker and posibility to release something there |
| 18:41.57 | javispedro | seemingly projects.dev.n.c is a pretty standard Trac setup |
| 18:42.08 | rzr | garage is based on gforge no ? |
| 18:42.08 | javispedro | so it competes with garage.maemo.org, not gitorious |
| 18:42.12 | javispedro | yeah |
| 18:42.21 | rzr | k |
| 18:43.01 | rzr | i would not depends on a single corporation w/ all my respect to nokia |
| 18:43.09 | rzr | but its not that important |
| 18:43.17 | javispedro | well if they're just hosting |
| 18:43.25 | javispedro | at this point the garage.maemo.org future is more dubious |
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| 18:45.47 | tomma | rzr, yeah problem is that it is building it with dpkg-buildpackage... |
| 18:46.11 | tomma | default creator debian_harmattan/rules does not have configure and build stuff |
| 18:46.49 | tomma | they need to be uncommented |
| 18:47.10 | rzr | that's what i thought , will u fix it , or should i try ? |
| 18:48.06 | tomma | there are those two lines which say "uncomment this to build wihtout qt-creator" |
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| 18:49.33 | rzr | k |
| 18:51.17 | kimju | lbt, does obs do any checks to the contents of generated .deb before publishing it? |
| 18:53.54 | rzr | dont think so |
| 18:56.02 | kimju | I tried to find out why the building of the terminal package hangs. the original rules file adds _gpgsig into the deb along with the _aegis. if I disable that, the package gets published. |
| 18:56.48 | javispedro | kimju: did you find where it hung on the logs? |
| 18:57.19 | kimju | javispedro, nope, the final output of the build log is the same in ok and failing cases. |
| 18:58.54 | kimju | also it seems that aegis-deb-util regenerates the control.tar.gz inside the .deb, while aegis-deb-add just adds the _aegis file. I'm now retrying with -util, without the _gpgsig part. |
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| 19:04.16 | lbt | kimju: no, just publishes it |
| 19:05.37 | kimju | then I really wonder why this happens.. :o |
| 19:05.43 | djszapi | javispedro: still stuck at the same step after 1-2 hours :) |
| 19:12.58 | javispedro | dunno if to leave for a day or abort it already :P |
| 19:13.41 | djszapi | I cannot actually abort it, on the webinterface at least. |
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| 19:20.56 | kimju | and it hangs again. so, running aegis-deb-util, that replaces control.tar.gz and adds _aegis hangs. running aegis-deb-add that just adds the _aegis works. running that and a python script (that in turn runs ar) that adds _gpgsig hangs again. |
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| 19:48.35 | lbt | looked at djszapi's problem... turns out the code is badly packed and the project has debugbuild enabled. OBS worked first time when I made a simple test project, copied in the package and built against djszapi's home. |
| 19:48.58 | lbt | "dpkg-source:âerror:âFileâ/usr/src/packages/SOURCES/kde4libs_4.6.95-0.debian.tar.gzâhasâsizeâ319988âinsteadâofâexpectedâ312932" |
| 19:49.22 | lbt | so djszapi .. try disabling debugbuild in your home... |
| 19:50.12 | djszapi | that is not really the problem. |
| 19:50.28 | lcuk | djszapi, one step at a time! |
| 19:50.37 | antman8969 | so anyone else see the tabco campaign today? (fusion garage) |
| 19:50.46 | djszapi | what you might actually need to check out is the "original" case, before trying to upload the package with the "-j1" option. |
| 19:51.25 | lbt | The code package isn't relevant at this point. That appears clearly in the logs. |
| 19:51.37 | lbt | the issue is getting the build to start |
| 19:51.37 | djszapi | not really sure what you mean |
| 19:51.47 | djszapi | the "original" link we showed you is about a build crap. |
| 19:52.14 | lbt | so djszapi .. try disabling debugbuild in your home... |
| 19:53.00 | lcuk | I am brewing the kettle, who wants one |
| 19:53.06 | lbt | :) |
| 19:53.15 | lbt | just had a mini-FAB :) |
| 19:53.20 | antman8969 | lbt, did anyone ever look into the missing MDeclarativeCache header on the harmattan target in obs? Is there a bug report I can file somewhere? |
| 19:53.21 | Venemo | djszapi, do you have 5 minutes for me now? :) |
| 19:53.42 | djszapi | nope, about to sleep |
| 19:53.54 | djszapi | I would just like to disable the debugbuild whatever it is for... |
| 19:53.54 | Venemo | djszapi, could you ping me tomorrow then? |
| 19:53.57 | djszapi | lbt: it is for ... ? |
| 19:54.03 | rcg | antman8969: actually i compiled an application that uses MDeclarativeCache |
| 19:54.06 | lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Adjszapi |
| 19:54.22 | rcg | or what do you mean? |
| 19:54.36 | lbt | bottom left select the all/all square and pick 'disable' |
| 19:54.48 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 19:55.00 | djszapi | it has already been disabled in the shared community repository anyway |
| 19:55.05 | djszapi | and it did not work there either |
| 19:55.19 | djszapi | so not culsprit... |
| 19:55.20 | antman8969 | rcg, if you got it to compile and you #include <MDeclarativeCache>, thats what I was hoping would happen |
| 19:55.30 | lbt | walks away |
| 19:55.36 | antman8969 | rcg I was trying to compile a few weeks ago and it wasn't found |
| 19:56.02 | rcg | i used #include <applauncherd/MDeclarativeCache> |
| 19:56.21 | antman8969 | interesting, thanks. I'll try it out this afternoon |
| 19:57.03 | djszapi | lcuk: sorry, but what did you mean by this "djszapi, one step at a time!" ? |
| 19:57.37 | rcg | antman8969: and i put applauncherd-dev in Build-Depends: in the debian/control file |
| 19:57.39 | lcuk | djszapi, well lbt spent time investigating your problem and asked for you to try something |
| 19:57.47 | antman8969 | rcg: right |
| 19:58.08 | djszapi | lcuk: it has already been tried out as I pointed out |
| 19:58.20 | lcuk | whilst it may not be the problem, he was trying to dig through and make a clean build |
| 19:58.20 | djszapi | next "step", please :) |
| 20:02.08 | djszapi | lcuk: my report has also been closed as invalid. |
| 20:04.00 | lcuk | djszapi, the build log https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Albt%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan |
| 20:04.08 | lcuk | has the problem lbt said |
| 20:04.10 | djszapi | lcuk: sorry, I do not care about c-obs. |
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| 20:05.09 | rzr | djszapi: u said that months ago already :) |
| 20:06.03 | djszapi | rzr: I did not care too much about it recently, yep :) |
| 20:06.13 | djszapi | let us continue it :) |
| 20:06.43 | rzr | anyway the pb is kdelibs is that orig != dsc |
| 20:06.53 | rzr | in h:r:h |
| 20:06.59 | djszapi | sorry ? |
| 20:07.08 | djszapi | Could you please form round sentences ? |
| 20:08.18 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 20:08.23 | rzr | dpkg-source:âerror:âFileâ/usr/src/packages/SOURCES/kde4libs_4.6.95-0.debian.tar.gzâhasâsizeâ319988âinsteadâofâexpectedâ312932 |
| 20:08.36 | djszapi | mmm, seems you have no idea what is going on, so: |
| 20:09.27 | djszapi | I tried to upload a debian file today with -j1 and I forget to re-generate the sums. It is really not the problem and it happened few hours ago. It is now corrected, but then again, it is a few hours fresh issue, and not really the original issue which has been happening for one month! |
| 20:09.35 | djszapi | forgot* |
| 20:10.01 | lbt | rzr: are you having any OBS problems building kdelibs other than the "size 319988 instead of expected 312932" which (as I'm sure you know) is a simple packaging error |
| 20:10.09 | rzr | yes |
| 20:11.00 | lbt | ok.... are you OK doing the sane bug report approach and analysing it? |
| 20:11.04 | rzr | i know, as i did not upload that one I reported the error to djszapi |
| 20:11.19 | djszapi | please do not report this since it makes no sense |
| 20:11.29 | djszapi | we are discussing this issue, but the real issue... |
| 20:11.34 | rzr | ok |
| 20:11.45 | djszapi | * not discussing |
| 20:11.51 | lbt | notes the value of having maintainers whose packaging you can rely on for a community repo... :) |
| 20:12.50 | rzr | talking about that , any news on a official community repo ? |
| 20:13.08 | lbt | well, Surrounds:Testing is there. |
| 20:13.12 | djszapi | nothing for ages |
| 20:13.17 | djszapi | it never really worked. |
| 20:13.27 | rzr | who take cares of it ? |
| 20:13.30 | djszapi | nobody :D |
| 20:13.38 | lbt | I'm asking people in the community to propose some simple policy to decide that. |
| 20:13.51 | djszapi | yeah, for more than 7-8 months with so much care... |
| 20:13.52 | lbt | My gut feel is we identify crucial missing pkgs |
| 20:14.01 | rzr | ok i am not hurry if it's better than what we're doing :) |
| 20:14.11 | lbt | like cdbs type thing... |
| 20:14.27 | djszapi | cdbs is a history. |
| 20:14.34 | rzr | not it's not |
| 20:14.37 | lcuk | djszapi, you have pushed many packages into obs already |
| 20:14.51 | lcuk | are they available for others to make use of? |
| 20:14.57 | lbt | and get those somehow 'sponsored' by some of the strong DD types ... basically if a package has a DD 'in the background' then I think that's sane |
| 20:14.58 | djszapi | rzr: yes, it is. debian mentors do not really advise it, ask them. |
| 20:15.17 | djszapi | lcuk: look, c-obs is dead :D |
| 20:15.17 | lbt | we shouldn't re-invent the wheel |
| 20:15.32 | djszapi | lcuk: I am afraid my vote is for maemo.org back |
| 20:15.48 | djszapi | like so many people proposed it previously here, already. |
| 20:16.26 | Venemo | why don't we just create a harmattan-extras on repository.maemo.org |
| 20:16.44 | djszapi | we could do that, yes. It cannot be much worse than c-obs. |
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| 20:17.26 | lbt | Venemo: do you know what a substitution cipher is? |
| 20:17.35 | djszapi | from what I see here, a lot of negative feedbacks about c-obs. |
| 20:17.36 | lcuk | djszapi, do you smile about anything? :P |
| 20:18.07 | Venemo | lbt, I have no idea. |
| 20:18.19 | mikhas | lcuk, end of month. the paycheck. |
| 20:18.50 | lbt | it's what turns "harmattan-extras on repository.maemo.org" into "Surrounds on pub,meego.com" .... same meaning... different letters |
| 20:18.51 | rzr | djszapi: i dont agrea |
| 20:19.27 | djszapi | lcuk: sorry ? |
| 20:19.38 | mikhas | djszapi, compared to OVI store, which doesnt even list a N9/N950 yet ⦠|
| 20:19.45 | rzr | obs is far for perfect, but i am kinda fan of having a such tool like ubuntu build service those are brillant |
| 20:20.06 | mikhas | if we want to distribute software, then c-obs is the only real alternative right now, no?? |
| 20:20.07 | djszapi | rzr: which does not work ? |
| 20:20.14 | djszapi | mikhas: no |
| 20:20.25 | djszapi | actually it is not an alternative to distribute kdelibs, or what are you watching ? |
| 20:20.36 | lbt | rzr: I'd like it if you could identify the most fundamental packages in your area and make a list of them ... just 5-10 |
| 20:20.50 | mikhas | ok, I didnt follow the discussion around kdelibs |
| 20:21.03 | djszapi | then please stop staying insane things :) |
| 20:21.07 | djszapi | * saying |
| 20:21.11 | rzr | lbt: well i dont know your priorities |
| 20:21.15 | lbt | then we can start an email thread about packaging and ... most importantly.... maintaining them |
| 20:21.34 | lbt | rzr: the ones that occur most in the build-deps but aren't in harmattan |
| 20:21.38 | djszapi | lbt: we do not need rules until the system actually works. |
| 20:21.42 | rzr | best would to set up popcon to know that |
| 20:21.44 | djszapi | try to make the system works first |
| 20:21.51 | djszapi | and then people can consider using it ... |
| 20:21.51 | lbt | just a gut feel - not an analysis |
| 20:21.55 | lbt | no, not apps |
| 20:22.01 | lbt | libraries or tools |
| 20:22.20 | rzr | well hard to tell i can have a look though |
| 20:22.43 | rzr | lbt: libtls would help i think |
| 20:22.47 | lbt | as I say, I think someone mentioned cdbs.... which may well need a patch for H |
| 20:22.53 | lbt | yes, things like that too |
| 20:23.05 | djszapi | no, cdbs does not need any patch |
| 20:23.10 | rzr | gtk :) |
| 20:23.19 | lbt | then we can start by saying "these 5/10 pkgs" go into Surrounds |
| 20:23.20 | rzr | automake |
| 20:23.43 | rzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.48 | lbt | automake yes... lets hold back on mega stuff like gtk unless we have some gtk maintainer |
| 20:24.10 | rzr | ncurses |
| 20:24.30 | rzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.43 | lbt | equally python is 'big' |
| 20:24.53 | lbt | and there's a meego-python team |
| 20:25.08 | rzr | i'll dont ask for mesa :) |
| 20:25.09 | lbt | so they should be involved in making a 'default' version for the community |
| 20:25.16 | lbt | :D |
| 20:25.32 | rzr | alsa-lib |
| 20:25.34 | lbt | actually it's a good point ... mesa is part of HW adaptation |
| 20:26.15 | mikhas | I want Vala. |
| 20:26.44 | lbt | mikhas: is there a vala-meego group? part of meego-gtk ? |
| 20:26.47 | mikhas | but then again, one can just ship the generated C code ⦠|
| 20:26.55 | rzr | libatomic-ops |
| 20:27.06 | mikhas | lbt, I wouldnt consdier Vala as part of GTK+ |
| 20:27.08 | rzr | readline6 |
| 20:27.22 | lbt | rzr: OK ... so I'm off to do some work ... don't drop them here... do an email |
| 20:27.28 | rzr | i'll stop here to let other ask :) |
| 20:27.28 | lbt | and remember... 5-10 only |
| 20:27.48 | lbt | the hard part isn't listing all packages in OSS ... it's picking just a few to start with |
| 20:27.50 | rzr | tell me your email i'll cut and paste this chat session |
| 20:27.52 | mikhas | what is the maintenance effort really? |
| 20:28.11 | rzr | lbt: what about packages i use every day like tmux or rsync ? |
| 20:28.18 | lbt | rzr: cut'n'paste ... not really. Put some thought in |
| 20:28.33 | lbt | it's not about you... it's about setting a base for the community |
| 20:28.40 | djszapi | mikhas: what do you mean ? |
| 20:28.46 | lbt | home:rzr is for your "I want" code |
| 20:28.49 | lbt | (for now) |
| 20:28.59 | lbt | mikhas: ask again in 18months |
| 20:29.10 | rzr | let me suggest to create a wiki page about that community repo |
| 20:29.17 | mikhas | djszapi, I can only speak for GNOME libs, but so far everything that was autotool'ed was rather easy to "maintain" |
| 20:29.23 | djszapi | rzr: there is already one actually. |
| 20:29.24 | mikhas | if that means updating from upstream |
| 20:29.31 | rzr | url ? |
| 20:29.39 | lbt | rzr and mikhas did you ever read : http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras |
| 20:29.57 | djszapi | mikhas: I do not see how it is different to any distribution, especially debian. In this particular case, I think it is even easier. |
| 20:29.58 | lbt | (especially the linked pages) |
| 20:30.02 | mikhas | lbt, this was discussed back in Dublin already, no? |
| 20:30.05 | rzr | i'll put my 5/10 list item to start and pple may vote on them and we'll start in a week or so |
| 20:30.36 | lbt | mikhas: oh yes... and guess how much effort got put in by (! lbt & xfade) ? |
| 20:31.01 | rzr | lbt: not yet that's the page i've never found better now than never |
| 20:31.13 | lbt | but now we have a device and some movement... |
| 20:31.35 | djszapi | we always had devices, n900, tablets, etc |
| 20:31.43 | lbt | hopefully the thought behind it may make some people look at the situation with maemo extras and think a little |
| 20:31.56 | rzr | lbt: can we use that page to list those 5/10 packages ? |
| 20:32.26 | lbt | rzr: sure... I propose some kind of action plan page. |
| 20:32.49 | lbt | those pages are about the reasoning ... try not to mix things up too much |
| 20:33.08 | rzr | not that soon i'll prefer to read all the boring linked pages :) |
| 20:33.19 | lbt | boring! |
| 20:33.29 | lbt | they're full of wit and insight! |
| 20:34.20 | mikhas | I probably have a too simple view on these matters, so you wouldnt want my input anyways. |
| 20:35.13 | lbt | if you consider my points and take the time to respond then of course I would. If you don't take the time to read a carefully thought out proposal... then no, not so much ;) |
| 20:35.17 | djszapi | the system must get stable first anyway. |
| 20:35.29 | lbt | fair? |
| 20:36.11 | mikhas | I dont think my simpl view on these matters would change. I'd prefer a simple solution that works now and increase the difficulty iteratively ;-) |
| 20:36.32 | mikhas | But you want the whole QA and whatnot working from day 1. |
| 20:36.40 | mece | hmm qtsdk managed to generate svg and png icons and make the thing in control file, but how do I do that when I change the icon? |
| 20:36.52 | lbt | mikhas: in other words you are saying "I don't know what you said but it's probably wrong" |
| 20:37.26 | lbt | OK ... so that's coming down on the "not so much" I'm afraid... |
| 20:37.41 | mikhas | It doesnt sound very convincing. |
| 20:37.42 | djszapi | I think about that with mikhas. Full of QA from the minute first can kill the purpose. |
| 20:37.47 | djszapi | * agree |
| 20:37.54 | lbt | No, I don't want the whole QA from day 1. But I don't want a steaming pile of mixed up junk either. |
| 20:38.27 | djszapi | we are here for leisure time, and it is not a paid job for us. I do not think 100% QA is a good idea. It can just frigthen the so few enthusiasts way - including myself. |
| 20:38.32 | lbt | Which, btw, is not useless... just not a good baseline to use when you aim for a reliable system |
| 20:38.33 | djszapi | * away |
| 20:38.44 | lbt | it's *great* for hacking ! :D |
| 20:39.07 | lcuk | the main thing about qt |
| 20:39.13 | lcuk | is that less cruft by default |
| 20:39.19 | djszapi | that is the thing, yes we are hackers, not a company. |
| 20:39.27 | lbt | off for a bit .... bbl8r |
| 20:39.36 | lcuk | in the maemo days, it was possible easily to throw stuff at autobuilder and be in -devel |
| 20:42.25 | mece | lcuk, I want that for n9/50 |
| 20:42.43 | mece | why does this svg icon show up so fugly in app grid? |
| 20:45.04 | rzr | lbt: i'll think about what you suggested , but i started this entry in case of someone what to join this task : http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Apps#ToDo_:_BootStrap |
| 20:46.12 | rzr | 100% QA is needed soon or later |
| 20:46.15 | rzr | like debian |
| 20:46.39 | rzr | that's what make the distro so streinght |
| 20:46.57 | rzr | arg how do you speel that word |
| 20:47.21 | djszapi | I prefer the sane habit over the dogmatic bunch of rules. |
| 20:47.31 | djszapi | strength |
| 20:48.08 | rzr | I need a spellchecker too :) |
| 20:48.09 | djszapi | and at any rate...it is a dream world since the first step would be to fix c-obs. |
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| 20:48.18 | djszapi | and I am still not sure c-obs is the best place of doing this. |
| 20:48.54 | rzr | djszapi: enough time for chatting , we'll need to RTFM :) |
| 20:49.13 | djszapi | eh ? |
| 20:49.29 | rzr | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html |
| 20:50.06 | djszapi | I think it is a good idea to try maemo.org out, and we can have a good comparison. |
| 20:50.26 | djszapi | so we can choose which one fits better for Harmattan. |
| 21:05.38 | kimju | hmm.. did I break the c-obs? I uploaded new test version of package and right after that the whole obs stopped responding, at least for me. |
| 21:06.08 | hiemanshu | Its a conspiracy! :P |
| 21:06.23 | djszapi | kimju: welcome to the real world :) |
| 21:06.32 | djszapi | I am gonna talk to one maemo.org tomorrow anyway |
| 21:06.40 | djszapi | + guy |
| 21:09.26 | Venemo | djszapi, X-Fade is who you're looking for |
| 21:10.06 | djszapi | nope. |
| 21:12.12 | kimju | ok, now it started responding again |
| 21:12.33 | djszapi | open blackmagic service :) |
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| 21:20.07 | lardman | hmm, qml |
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| 21:39.24 | mece | frals, qlister2 0.1 :) check twitter. |
| 21:39.29 | mece | goodnight. |
| 21:46.18 | kimju | this obs hanging stuff is getting weirder still.. now I replaced the aegis-deb-add with directly calling ar rv to add the (same) _aegis file in the package. -> obs hangs. so it looks like if the last program to touch the .deb is ar, it fails. aegis-deb-add doesn't call ar, it has pure perl implementation to rewrite the archive. |
| 21:47.20 | djszapi | kimju: Could you please make a public note aboutthese observations ? |
| 21:47.36 | kimju | I just did? |
| 21:47.55 | djszapi | wiki page, bug report and so forth, not IRC. |
| 21:48.30 | djszapi | if you have just done, could you please send the link ? |
| 21:49.09 | kimju | only here. |
| 21:50.42 | kimju | hmm, actually, aegis-deb-util calls ar first, then aegis-deb-add. and that breaks it too. |
| 21:51.03 | lardman | how does one open the browser programmatically? |
| 21:51.14 | lardman | is there a wiki page of DBus calls for Harmattan somewhere? |
| 21:51.28 | lardman | or is this now provided by qtm? |
| 21:51.46 | kimju | so it doesn't matter if it's the last tool, just touching the deb with ar is enough to hang it |
| 21:53.41 | kimju | ah, ignore that, it doesn't call ar. I'm starting to get confused with all these tools. |
| 21:54.20 | mikhas | lardman, if xdg-open <url> is not good enough for you, then probably best to ask on ML |
| 21:55.44 | kimju | using aegis-deb-util: regenerates control.tar.gz, calls aegis-deb-add to add it and _aegis: fails; calling aegis-deb-add to add only _aegis: works; using ar to add _aegis: fails; using aegis-deb-add to add _aegis and then ar to add anything else: fails |
| 21:57.33 | lardman | mikhas: I'll have a look at that, thanks |
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| 22:06.04 | mikhas | lardman, was quickly looking for an example for Harmattan, but couldnt find any ⦠|
| 22:07.01 | mikhas | lardman, but one common theme in Harmattan is to checkout the app's .desktop file and use the exec line |
| 22:07.09 | mikhas | (parametrized) |
| 22:07.29 | mikhas | search app does that most of the time |
| 22:07.48 | kimju | hmmh.. maybe I'll add hexdump to dump the generated deb to build logs at the end of rules file, then run the test builds again. |
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| 22:09.56 | lardman | mikhas: ok, under Fremantle there was a DBus call, or one could use the MIME handlers, I'll have to do some looking for the Harmattan stuff |
| 22:10.49 | mikhas | there *must* be a D-Bus call |
| 22:11.17 | mikhas | ping me again during office hours? |
| 22:11.22 | mikhas | perhaps I can catch someone |
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| 22:12.12 | lardman | mikhas: thanks, I'll check dbus-monitor anyway but will give you a shout if I come up blank |
| 22:12.18 | mikhas | so your question in general was: "Is there documentation for the available D-Bus calls, such as launching the browser with URL programmatically?" |
| 22:12.26 | lcuk | \o lardman |
| 22:12.31 | mikhas | yeah, there's always that, of course |
| 22:12.52 | mikhas | is not an H app dev ⦠|
| 22:13.26 | lardman | H app? |
| 22:13.29 | lardman | hey lcuk |
| 22:13.46 | mikhas | Harmattan application developer |
| 22:13.57 | lardman | ah, of course |
| 22:14.01 | mikhas | as in: one of those poor souls who wrote the e-mail client and such ;-) |
| 22:14.12 | lardman | :D |
| 22:15.11 | mikhas | but it's exactly those poor souls that I was planning to ask, heh |
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| 22:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | factoids: battery at shutdown 3.30V |
| 22:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | on power-on system will light up indicator LED, bounce vibra, and shut off immediately again |
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| 22:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | system won't repeat same process again, until a recovery time of several 10s of seconds |
| 22:24.51 | lardman | is curious as to what was clobbering his battery over the last few weeks |
| 22:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | probably due to cell voltage loss during minimal bootup, and cell needs to recover to the minimal voltage after that |
| 22:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | battery at 3.19V now, system doesn't miniboot anymore |
| 22:28.41 | lardman | can it charge? |
| 22:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | looks like |
| 22:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | takes current from USB charger immediately on plugin |
| 22:30.29 | lardman | without booting the kernel presumably? |
| 22:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | indicator flashing, device won't boot up to full system |
| 22:30.54 | Venemo | hehe |
| 22:31.19 | kimju | I think dm8tbr already tested that it can charge even cell that gives 0V after its internal protection circuit has kicked in |
| 22:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | after a few moments fast flashing changes to slow pulsing breathing light - systim will boot up |
| 22:32.17 | MohammadAG | is the notification LED used for anything besides indicating charging? |
| 22:34.35 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, that sounds similar |
| 22:34.39 | lcuk | to how my battery got |
| 22:34.40 | lardman | MohammadAG: I wish it would indicate missed calls/sms |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, *is* it used? nobody can answer this question. Shall it get used? prolly not as the N9 has no LED at all |
| 22:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 22:37.30 | MohammadAG | lardman, so it doesn't? |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | no missed calls, definitely |
| 22:37.57 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 22:37.57 | MohammadAG | why does mce.ini have the led patterns then |
| 22:38.05 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, N9 has led. |
| 22:38.27 | lardman | MohammadAG: I've not seen it do anything other than charging indication |
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| 22:39.22 | lardman | what is the N9 screen? Doesn't that have per-pixel lighting so you could actually switch pixels on as indications |
| 22:39.39 | lardman | not sure what the power requirement would be for that, assuming I'm right about the tech |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: yes |
| 22:40.48 | Venemo | as for differences between N9 and N950 (and some interesting glitches in N950 sw) see https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html |
| 22:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: was this you who claimed your device wasn't recovering from deep discharge? |
| 22:43.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, affirmative |
| 22:43.19 | lcuk | and a new battery cured it instantly |
| 22:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what were the detailed symptoms? |
| 22:44.48 | lcuk | from usb |
| 22:44.52 | lcuk | it would throb |
| 22:45.03 | lcuk | and solid light in 1/3 times tried |
| 22:45.17 | lcuk | from wallwart, it would show screen+usb icon |
| 22:45.26 | lcuk | then after a few seconds go off again |
| 22:45.35 | lcuk | could not get it to work |
| 22:45.49 | lcuk | so ordered a replacement battery and was happy |
| 22:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | probably cell defect then |
| 22:48.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it happened the day after i flashed it |
| 22:48.38 | lcuk | perhaps extended period on flasher had issue |
| 22:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see any relation |
| 22:49.02 | lcuk | when it is in flashing mode |
| 22:49.13 | lcuk | does bme operate? |
| 22:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | for sure not |
| 22:49.25 | lcuk | or will device theoretically just stay powered up as long as possible |
| 22:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | should shut down hard at ~3.30V |
| 22:49.50 | lcuk | unsure |
| 22:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 2.80V, not sure right now |
| 22:49.56 | lcuk | anyway, issue resolved |
| 22:49.59 | lcuk | moved on |
| 22:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | might have some power-off issue with a subsystem still drawing current from cell until it dies |
| 22:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | power-off from flashing mode quite possibly doesn't care properly about shutdown of all autonomously powered subsystems |
| 22:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | corrections: prior to fast flashing of LED, there are some seconds of steady light, just like on N900 emergency recovery charging |
| 22:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's on wallcharger with D+/- short |
| 22:55.56 | lardman | so to change topic slightly, what's the best run-time method to determine what device you're on? |
| 22:56.15 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.20 | kimju | more random notes, after manually adding the _aegis into .deb, hexdump shows all the filenames in deb are ending in / character. with aegis-deb-add there is no / |
| 23:01.52 | lardman | anyone here with an N9 handy? |
| 23:02.07 | lardman | if so, could we see the output of /proc/cpuinfo please? |
| 23:02.09 | kimju | but between aegis-deb-add and aegis-deb-util, I don't see any differences (at least not yet), except different timestamps of files inside control/data.tar.gz. |
| 23:02.29 | lardman | namely the Hardware: description line |
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| 23:18.01 | lardman | curses random error messages |
| 23:18.08 | lardman | well seemingly random anyway |
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| 23:32.38 | Venemo | joppu, can you make a larger version of the icon? for the splash screen of the app |
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