| 00:51.48 | ZrZ | http://rzr.online.fr/q/xmpp# #N950Club can UsE #n950 !MeeGo #HarmattaN irc-chatter and #bitlbee to ChaT with #XmpP #JabbeR #GMail ContactS ! |
| 01:35.42 | javispedro | RADIOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:35.55 | javispedro | I AM HEARING RADIO FMRX RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT FROM MY N950!!! |
| 01:36.03 | javispedro | implodes as I don't know what I did |
| 01:36.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51^^ |
| 01:36.46 | javispedro | ok, calm down, calm down, calm down, calm down. |
| 01:37.23 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Woo! |
| 01:37.28 | special | javispedro: good work! |
| 01:37.40 | SpeedEvil | From a broadcast station? |
| 01:37.55 | javispedro | yeah, local news |
| 01:38.13 | javispedro | the fsck is that this is in a horrible state |
| 01:38.28 | SpeedEvil | you mean interference? |
| 01:38.28 | javispedro | codec is technically configured with analog output but I'm getting data on the I2S??' |
| 01:38.36 | javispedro | no, I mean hardwrae |
| 01:38.46 | SpeedEvil | It possibly outputs on both normally? |
| 01:38.49 | javispedro | I feel that if I shutdown this I might not be able to reproduce it in a long time |
| 01:39.06 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: hw does that but sw never sets the register bits for "both" |
| 01:39.08 | SpeedEvil | Can you dump the registers of all chips involved? |
| 01:39.38 | javispedro | ah |
| 01:39.39 | javispedro | no |
| 01:39.49 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right |
| 01:39.59 | javispedro | can't -- just remembered that dump functionality from the v4l driver is actually destructive |
| 01:40.09 | javispedro | (changes state I mean, or at least did last time I tried...) |
| 01:40.50 | javispedro | it is quite broken |
| 01:40.55 | javispedro | I am not getting any other system sounds |
| 01:41.39 | javispedro | in fact the only reason I believe it is using the digital path is because there's a arecord -Dhw:2,0 | pulseaudio pipe running |
| 01:41.44 | javispedro | where hw:2,0 is wl1273 |
| 01:41.45 | SpeedEvil | alsamixer and friends to dump everything? |
| 01:42.03 | SpeedEvil | not really ideal |
| 01:42.17 | SpeedEvil | I suppose in principle you can ask pulseaudio - I've no idea how thogh |
| 01:42.41 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: at least it means mic should be able to work alongisde fmradio -- a problem all n900 fm radio apps had (disaster when phone call struck) |
| 01:43.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:43.23 | javispedro | asking pulseaudio is called module-loopback, iirc n950 has a enough recent version to use it |
| 01:43.50 | javispedro | hm |
| 01:43.58 | javispedro | restarted the pipe -- mute |
| 01:44.06 | javispedro | :( |
| 01:44.10 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:44.17 | javispedro | hm |
| 01:44.23 | javispedro | arecord is still capturing sound |
| 01:44.30 | javispedro | it's pa the one gone mute |
| 01:46.12 | javispedro | nah, it's capturing silence |
| 01:46.13 | javispedro | dammit |
| 01:46.45 | SpeedEvil | So it can work - now comes the possibly annoying bit. |
| 01:46.51 | SpeedEvil | Great progress! |
| 01:49.27 | javispedro | reboots and tries to remember |
| 01:49.53 | javispedro | .oO (plugged headphones first, then amixer to set the stuff, then enabled BT via the systemui... |
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| 02:07.31 | javispedro | ok, reproduced |
| 02:08.31 | javispedro | I think I know what's going on here |
| 02:08.50 | javispedro | the com.nokia.policy stuff is doing something |
| 02:14.56 | javispedro | have to say that the sound is crystal clear |
| 02:17.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:18.07 | javispedro | this hci command fixes it ogf=0x3f ocf=0x00 0xf3 0x88 0x01 0x02 |
| 02:18.14 | javispedro | now to understand what it exactly does |
| 02:21.57 | berndhs | this is progress |
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| 02:28.05 | hiemanshu | rzr: well, MohammadAG has tested irc-chatter with whatever bouncer he uses |
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| 02:53.06 | mtd | on n950, anybody know how to add notes from the command line? or keep them in sync with some non-sqlite repository of notes? |
| 02:56.22 | javispedro | records some radio static for the fun of it |
| 02:58.52 | javispedro | ok, I got the hang of it |
| 02:59.28 | javispedro | so, one has to enable BT, send a magic HCI command, THEN configure the digital path as I mentioned on my initial post |
| 03:00.11 | javispedro | the first both steps are actually implemented in ohm-plugins-misc , which is where I got the magic command from |
| 03:00.16 | javispedro | s/both/tweo |
| 03:02.48 | javispedro | could probably make a test app... |
| 03:18.06 | rm_you | gah fuck seriously |
| 03:18.11 | rm_you | i can't ANSWER calls now either? |
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| 04:26.27 | Tronic | I had some trouble with calls and text a couple of days ago. |
| 04:27.06 | Tronic | Neither would be received until after I restarted the phone, even though it displayed that the network was ok. |
| 04:30.26 | hiemanshu | rm_you: black screen? |
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| 05:48.43 | Venemo_N950 | morning |
| 05:49.03 | djszapi_ | good morning, Vietnam :) |
| 05:50.12 | Venemo_N950 | Vietnam? |
| 05:50.54 | djszapi_ | yep, there was this good morning series (at least in Hungary) :) |
| 05:53.03 | Venemo_N950 | hmm... I don't remember it |
| 05:54.23 | djszapi_ | there is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Morning,_Vietnam :) |
| 05:55.37 | Venemo_N950 | I see |
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| 05:58.45 | djszapi_ | Venemo_N950: not sure how to get IRC chatter work. It does not work anymore. |
| 05:58.59 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, at all? |
| 05:59.11 | djszapi_ | does not matter what I do (I have not tried re-flashing the device, but I will not even probably try that). |
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| 06:01.40 | Venemo_N950 | it probably won't help... |
| 06:02.22 | djszapi_ | not sure what helps...apart from making proper logging... |
| 06:04.24 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, I will have the time to care about this issue (and your patches) today afternoon |
| 06:04.24 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, have you tried connecting with/without SSL? |
| 06:04.24 | Venemo_N950 | that's exactly what I wanna do, yes |
| 06:05.17 | djszapi_ | all the other net applications work, as in grob, gtalk, facebook and the like. |
| 06:05.41 | Venemo_N950 | yeah, you told me... I get the picture :) |
| 06:05.55 | djszapi_ | I am also in 3.5G |
| 06:06.34 | Venemo_N950 | doesn't work on 3.5G either, I guess? |
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| 06:07.38 | Venemo_N950 | djszapiN9, what the heck? |
| 06:08.19 | djszapi_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck ;) |
| 06:08.23 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, please tell me what was the solution? |
| 06:08.28 | djszapi_ | no clue |
| 06:08.53 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: |
| 06:08.55 | djszapi_ | What I did is to reinstall irc-chatter for Xth time and started it with SSL (port 7000 on freenode) |
| 06:09.17 | Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu ? |
| 06:09.26 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: see #irc-chatter :P |
| 06:09.56 | Venemo_N950 | ok |
| 06:10.30 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, I'm happy to hear that... I was guessing that some port setting may solve it |
| 06:10.51 | hiemanshu | ugh, 3s lag :( |
| 06:11.00 | djszapi_ | it is not related interestingly to the port because I was trying then without SSL, and I could connect, too. Very odd! |
| 06:11.15 | djszapi_ | At any rate, logging helps with debugging a problem a lot in general. :) |
| 06:11.15 | Venemo_N950 | very odd |
| 06:11.35 | djszapi_ | oh yes, and last night I deleted ~/.config/Venemo |
| 06:11.46 | djszapi_ | since after my patch, it was: ~/.config/irc-chatter |
| 06:11.57 | djszapi_ | not sure whether it matters anything with the stray folder. |
| 06:12.02 | Venemo_N950 | agreed, yes |
| 06:12.18 | Venemo_N950 | it does not. |
| 06:12.23 | djszapi_ | but that is not the culsprit imho. |
| 06:12.51 | djszapi_ | since I have just created tray files like that and could still connect. |
| 06:13.22 | hiemanshu | djszapi_: where can I see you patch? |
| 06:13.34 | Venemo_N950 | I am planning to add some more debugging options for exactly this kind of issues |
| 06:13.51 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, in any case, I'm glad your problem has solved itself |
| 06:14.27 | djszapi_ | hiemanshu: in Venemo's inbox :) |
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| 06:17.02 | hiemanshu | djszapi_: care to paste it? so I can match it, because well, I have a lot of changes not in the repo :P |
| 06:17.22 | Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, don't worry, I'll take care of it |
| 06:17.44 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: you'll take care of changes I haven't pushed? :P |
| 06:18.05 | Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, it's mostly packaging fixes, so won't interfere with your changes |
| 06:18.48 | djszapi_ | hiemanshu: no they are super secret patches :) |
| 06:20.00 | Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, djszapi was kind enough to make us an Aegis manifest file |
| 06:21.54 | hiemanshu | ah, nice |
| 06:22.00 | hiemanshu | djszapi_: thank you :) |
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| 06:25.33 | djszapi | Interesting, there is no toLower/Upper in QString for a range. |
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| 06:50.58 | vladest | djszapi: get range first and then make lower/upper |
| 06:51.17 | djszapi | that is what I did, but it is not as convenient as it could be. |
| 06:52.24 | vladest | djszapi: well, comparing to Java's one - QString much better imho |
| 06:52.54 | djszapi | I was not comparing it to any other technology. I was just saying it could be more convenient. |
| 06:53.28 | hiemanshu | djszapi: have you used mesinput to add up and down buttons to the vkdb? |
| 06:53.31 | hiemanshu | vkbd* |
| 06:53.34 | hiemanshu | or anyone done that? |
| 06:53.36 | vladest | djszapi: well, its open source in the end :) |
| 06:54.10 | RST38h | Should compare to QBASIC instead, will get even better result for Qt |
| 06:55.34 | hiemanshu | compare it to .NET |
| 06:55.35 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 06:55.45 | vladest | e up. qstring - sucks :) |
| 06:55.52 | vladest | give up |
| 06:56.46 | djszapi | vladest: yes, I am sending a patch |
| 06:57.07 | djszapi | hiemanshu: yes, of course. |
| 06:57.25 | vladest | djszapi: cool |
| 06:57.37 | hiemanshu | djszapi: ah, so well, atleast when I am adding up/down to browsing through messages, its useful on the N9 |
| 06:57.49 | hiemanshu | (on irc-chatter) |
| 06:59.05 | vladest | wanna patch for slooow QGraphicsVideoItem on n950 |
| 07:08.25 | djszapi | hiemanshu: sorry ? |
| 07:11.20 | hiemanshu | djszapi: when you press up and down, you can cycle through the messages you have sent before on irc-chatter now |
| 07:12.44 | djszapi | not sure what you mean because if it is that what I am thinking of, I think I would just nicely well use the swiping UX for that. |
| 07:13.07 | hiemanshu | djszapi: what is your current IRC client? |
| 07:13.15 | hiemanshu | on the computer? |
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| 07:13.36 | djszapi | ohh now gotcha. You would like to send out the same post of yours. |
| 07:13.55 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 07:14.19 | hiemanshu | sending same post in different channels and such |
| 07:15.00 | djszapi | spamming ? :p |
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| 07:16.27 | djszapi | and why aren't just irc-chatter and harmattan channels are the default to connect to ? |
| 07:17.28 | hiemanshu | you mean just irc-chatter and harmattan? |
| 07:17.46 | djszapi | yeah, pretty much. |
| 07:18.21 | hiemanshu | well, I had that in mind, but Venemo added #meego and #maemo to it as well IIRC |
| 07:18.25 | djszapi | in my opinion, harmattan would actually be enough and discuss irc-chatter questions here since harmattan is the only supported platform for the time being. |
| 07:18.58 | djszapi | these lot of channels make it bloated unneccesarily in the most cases. |
| 07:20.06 | hiemanshu | well, its just 3 lines of code :P |
| 07:20.26 | djszapi | I am not speaking about the code, just usability. |
| 07:21.28 | hiemanshu | well, that will also change, we are workig on new UIs for version 0.3 |
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| 07:53.25 | artemm | I am a little lost in all the accounts, merges and syncs coming from various directions. Could somebody with more clear understanding confirm whether Harmattan contact photos get updated from facebook/twitter profile pics? |
| 07:54.17 | djszapi | as for me, they came from facebook, yes. |
| 07:56.59 | artemm | I am wondering whether a phonebook contact is updated with the picture or if it is the-merged-contact-bundle shows facebook pic as a part if its facebook identity |
| 07:57.49 | artemm | though not sure if there's any visible-enough difference.. |
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| 08:04.06 | artemm | Is there any public description of how the automatic contact merge works? I am not quite happy with its detection and misdetection |
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| 08:19.57 | RST38h | wazd: Added! |
| 08:20.19 | wazd | RST38h: coolio :) |
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| 08:23.24 | RST38h | wazd: http://pics.livejournal.com/trash_sekretar/pic/000eexsa |
| 08:24.17 | wazd | RST38h: awesome except for unnecessary nudity :P |
| 08:25.13 | RST38h | wazd: well, the author likes pinup |
| 08:25.25 | RST38h | wazd: [and apparently it works :)] |
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| 08:28.22 | RST38h | suddenly finds an Android-related picture: http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/1108/94/7983cfc233e1.gif |
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| 09:25.37 | Venemo_N950 | ey |
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| 12:45.24 | jkt | I recall reading a nice document saying what the usable screen dimensions on a N950/N9 are, with various combinations of portrait/landscpae, fullscreen, status notifier etc etc shown or hidden |
| 12:45.33 | jkt | but I can't google it anymore :( |
| 13:03.00 | dm8tbr | i think that's the harmattan page on developer.nokia.com |
| 13:04.56 | dm8tbr | jkt: http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Hardware.html |
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| 13:18.09 | Venemo | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 13:18.10 | infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 23h 3m 46s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, ping'. |
| 13:27.03 | jkt | dm8tbr: that's it (and it's an image, which explains why I wasn't able to google for it) |
| 13:27.09 | jkt | dm8tbr: thanks |
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| 13:37.43 | alterego | I hope they sort out video decoding on the N950 in the next update |
| 13:38.45 | Venemo | alterego, yeah... I hope so... and also the bugs which I've been living with for months now |
| 13:38.51 | Venemo | wants new software for the N950 |
| 13:40.12 | Venemo | I would be really happy if I could at leat see a bugfix release or anything |
| 13:41.03 | Stskeeps | soon enough. |
| 13:41.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:41.12 | Venemo | Stskeeps, how can you tell? |
| 13:42.04 | Stskeeps | there's a giant countdown for N9 release on .fi site i think |
| 13:42.23 | Venemo | and you think that magically we'll receive a sw update at that time? |
| 13:42.44 | Stskeeps | fairly |
| 13:43.39 | Venemo | Stskeeps, this? http://ensikosketus.nokia.fi/?utm_source=nokiafi&utm_medium=Hero&utm_campaign=N9_Ensikosketus&cid=ms_theme-fw-ilc-hero-ensikosketus_756x252-na-nokiacom-fi-fi-1todtmt6ac4cb |
| 13:44.00 | Venemo | Päivää is days? |
| 13:44.34 | Stskeeps | think so |
| 13:44.40 | Venemo | mhmmm |
| 13:45.00 | Venemo | :) |
| 13:45.02 | Venemo | anyway, brb |
| 13:46.08 | SpeedEvil | When are nokia wphones supposed to launch |
| 13:48.05 | Stskeeps | into the sun! |
| 13:48.07 | Stskeeps | oh, when |
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| 13:49.52 | Tronic | SpeedEvil: It keeps changing. It used to be in (early) 2012 but it might be earlier now. |
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| 13:56.20 | Elessar | hi all! |
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| 13:56.47 | Elessar | I've mostly done port of FBReader to Harmattan |
| 13:57.12 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 13:57.28 | Elessar | http://qutim.org/downloads/fbreader_0.14.0-1_armel.deb -- try this deb, if you want :) |
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| 13:58.16 | Elessar | sources are available at https://github.com/euroelessar/FBReader at "meego" branch |
| 13:59.28 | SpeedEvil | does the dpkg thing. |
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| 14:00.31 | Elessar | to build debian package you have to run shell script "build_packages.sh maemo6-debian" from source's root |
| 14:00.57 | SpeedEvil | Ok - installed |
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| 14:02.20 | SpeedEvil | Copying over ebooks |
| 14:07.03 | SpeedEvil | 0th order issues. Icon is blank red. 'loading library' always appears to be landscape |
| 14:07.30 | RST38h | Andrew Barrow, director of consumer products for Lenovo Western Europe, claims that the original Galaxy Tab only sold 20,000 out of one million shipped. He goes on to say Samsung was 'channel stuffing' in order to generate publicity and become known as a major Android tablet manufacturer. |
| 14:08.02 | Elessar | what Icon do you mean? "loading library" uses progress dialog which is not ported to QML yet |
| 14:08.06 | SpeedEvil | You can launch two copies, which may confuse some people. |
| 14:08.06 | RST38h | Elessar: YOu do know of existing fbreader port by Marius Gediminas? |
| 14:08.19 | SpeedEvil | Elessar: The icon in the applauncher |
| 14:08.36 | Elessar | RST38h: it's not port, he've only done support for volume buttons as I know |
| 14:09.06 | Elessar | RST38h: but I've implemented most of interface at QML instead of deprecated QWidgets |
| 14:11.18 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: I can't reproduce icon's bug( I was told that icon will become normal after reboot |
| 14:11.22 | SpeedEvil | Something screwy with the file picker - I go to mydocs - it dumps me in a dir with lost/found |
| 14:11.26 | SpeedEvil | Elessar: likely |
| 14:11.33 | SpeedEvil | I go to lost/found - and I'm in / |
| 14:11.52 | Elessar | try to scroll items out of the screen |
| 14:12.43 | Elessar | I dunno why, but they are not repainted sometimes( |
| 14:15.41 | RST38h | Elessar: Wonderful =) |
| 14:15.48 | RST38h | Elessar: got a package to try? =) |
| 14:15.54 | SpeedEvil | Minor - the continuation (>) at the end of overlong filenames/... is underlaid by the non-truncated filenames |
| 14:16.51 | Smith | SpeedEvil:red icon after installing possible due to install program from console. It is not observed if you use any file manager for installing deb |
| 14:16.52 | Elessar | RST38h: erm.. what package? Marius's? I've only take a look at his patch |
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| 14:17.07 | RST38h | Elessar: no, your own, with the qml ui |
| 14:17.25 | SpeedEvil | Smith: Probably, yes. |
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| 14:17.52 | SpeedEvil | Elessar: 'OS scrollbar' does not seem to show anything as indicator |
| 14:18.09 | Elessar | RST38h: are you asking for this link http://qutim.org/downloads/fbreader_0.14.0-1_armel.deb ? |
| 14:18.20 | SpeedEvil | There doesn't seem to be any fremantle-like hide settings-bar. |
| 14:18.21 | RST38h | yeah |
| 14:18.25 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: there is no scrollbar at this meaning at harmattan |
| 14:18.44 | SpeedEvil | But I haven't seen a harmattan common user element for that. |
| 14:18.59 | SpeedEvil | Volume keys lack autorepeat |
| 14:20.03 | SpeedEvil | I like the colour picker |
| 14:20.12 | Elessar | ScrollBars at Harmattan are saddonly designed for use only with Flickable, but I've failed with implementing it( |
| 14:20.29 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 14:20.43 | SpeedEvil | Flickable looks cool! |
| 14:20.56 | Elessar | but I've tried to add kinetic scrolling |
| 14:21.00 | SpeedEvil | However, I'm not sure it's actually great for a 'read large lumps of text' |
| 14:21.16 | SpeedEvil | You mean in the file dialogs? |
| 14:21.26 | SpeedEvil | Or have I missed a selection |
| 14:22.30 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: looks like Qt doesn't send me event about pressing volume button several times |
| 14:22.43 | Elessar | I'll try to investigate this issue |
| 14:23.15 | Elessar | I mean that I've failed to implement kinetic scrolling at "book view", now it's scrolling only by taping and volume buttons |
| 14:23.39 | RST38h | flickable is fine |
| 14:23.43 | SpeedEvil | None of the switches ('enable text selection') for example - seem to remember their state if you open the config screen again |
| 14:23.59 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: oh... really?( |
| 14:24.08 | Elessar | I have to take a look |
| 14:24.15 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 14:24.25 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, it's quite usable for reading books! :) |
| 14:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Also, I couldn't seem to open any network library |
| 14:24.42 | SpeedEvil | Can't click anything. |
| 14:24.45 | Elessar | oops |
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| 14:25.08 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: I suggest that it's because of I handle only finger taps |
| 14:26.31 | SpeedEvil | Battery usage while off with the app in the foreground looks OK. |
| 14:28.29 | SpeedEvil | Battery meter claims ~20h use reading |
| 14:28.36 | SpeedEvil | In dim light - which is good! |
| 14:29.04 | SpeedEvil | It will be really interesting to see how OLED performs in practice with very bright text on a black background |
| 14:29.10 | SpeedEvil | WRT powersave |
| 14:31.32 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: wait for press and switch fixes, pelase |
| 14:31.35 | Elessar | * please |
| 14:43.33 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: I've uploaded new package to the same place: http://qutim.org/downloads/fbreader_0.14.0-1_armel.deb |
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| 15:04.29 | SpeedEvil | rebooting - dpkg says something has locked app-db |
| 15:05.23 | rzr | Elessar: i can try to rebuild it now |
| 15:05.41 | SpeedEvil | Icon is OK now |
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| 15:29.27 | Elessar | rzr: for what purpose? |
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| 15:30.00 | rzr | just to double check :) |
| 15:30.21 | Elessar | ok, build it :) |
| 15:37.38 | Elessar | oh my god( |
| 15:38.31 | SpeedEvil | Switches seem to work. It seems to crash on selecting 'recent books' |
| 15:38.53 | Elessar | hm |
| 15:39.05 | Elessar | you mean that assertion fails |
| 15:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Well - app dissapears |
| 15:40.51 | Elessar | looks like I have to remove this thing |
| 15:41.41 | Elessar | I can't find at source any action with name "showRecent" which should be called |
| 15:43.35 | SpeedEvil | Touch doesn't seem to work to scroll on an open library - though arrow keys on keyboard or volume works |
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| 15:45.04 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: go to settings and disable switch "scroll only at tap" |
| 15:45.09 | SpeedEvil | To retract one of the earlier reports - network libraries seems to work |
| 15:45.18 | Elessar | I've changed default value, but you've played already with it :) |
| 15:45.20 | SpeedEvil | it's just it's fiddly to select text |
| 15:45.38 | Elessar | and disable text selection |
| 15:45.47 | Elessar | isn't it disabled by default? |
| 15:47.52 | SpeedEvil | Possibly - I've been clicking random stuff. |
| 15:48.09 | Elessar | it's somewhere at reading settings |
| 15:48.12 | SpeedEvil | Also - several times, it seems to have crashed on orientation switch. |
| 15:48.23 | Elessar | haven't you run it with gdb? |
| 15:48.40 | SpeedEvil | Not yet |
| 15:49.02 | Elessar | run, please |
| 15:49.09 | Elessar | I need it's backtraces |
| 15:49.29 | SpeedEvil | Ok - naive gdb FBreader doesn't work at all |
| 15:49.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm guessing I need to specify some aegis-magic |
| 15:49.49 | Elessar | gdb FBReader |
| 15:49.55 | Elessar | first 3 letters are capital |
| 15:50.05 | SpeedEvil | yes - that |
| 15:50.12 | SpeedEvil | /bin/sh: exec: line 1: /usr/bin/FBReader: Operation not permitted |
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| 15:50.30 | SpeedEvil | Also - no debug symbols |
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| 15:51.52 | Elessar | oh, I've enabled ability to run custom apps at phone %) |
| 15:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 15:52.08 | SpeedEvil | su user first, and it works. |
| 15:52.10 | SpeedEvil | Forgot that. |
| 15:52.42 | Elessar | oh, khe |
| 15:52.49 | Elessar | I'm running users under developer %) |
| 15:52.53 | Elessar | *programms |
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| 15:54.14 | SpeedEvil | File selector is wierd. |
| 15:54.26 | SpeedEvil | Keep selecting '..' and eventually you end up at a blank page |
| 15:54.30 | djszapiN9 | i do not get the new channel opened i have just joined |
| 15:54.38 | Elessar | wierd? |
| 15:54.42 | djszapiN9 | irc-chatter |
| 15:55.43 | SpeedEvil | The file browse dialog doesn't seem to present an accurate description of the filesystem. |
| 15:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: funny, while /.. == / |
| 15:56.11 | djszapiN9 | venemo ^ |
| 15:56.58 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: don't you know - are there any "native" file dialogs? |
| 15:57.05 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/q11M7nWP |
| 15:57.15 | SpeedEvil | I've no idea - I'm not saying it's a breakage in your code. |
| 15:57.24 | SpeedEvil | Above seems to be orientation-based |
| 15:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 15:57.35 | SpeedEvil | but I'm not sure how useful it is |
| 15:58.09 | Elessar | oh, great trace %) |
| 15:58.27 | Elessar | SpeedEvil: what are you doing, btw? |
| 15:58.37 | Elessar | may be you using search dialog? |
| 15:58.56 | SpeedEvil | I was playing around with the 'open file' file selector - and changed orientation, and it crashed |
| 15:59.47 | Smith | yeah, it's crashes after orientation change after click on search button |
| 16:00.14 | Elessar | looks like it's sorting bug |
| 16:00.19 | Venemo | djszapiN9, 1) press the + button in the toolbar 2) enter a channel name (begin channel names with #), 3) wait for it to open. speed of opening depends on the speed of your connection. |
| 16:00.27 | Elessar | I mean random directory names |
| 16:00.29 | Venemo | djszapiN9, it will always open at the bottom of your channel list |
| 16:01.14 | djszapiN9 | venemo does not work after typing /j #whatnot |
| 16:01.33 | Elessar | also, I've started to implement qutIM's port to Meego: http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0903/h_1315058556_1431082_0e97311006.png |
| 16:02.01 | Venemo | djszapiN9, /join #whatever should work too, but you may have to ask hiemanshu about possible reasons it won't work (he implemented this part afaicr) |
| 16:02.05 | SpeedEvil | afk |
| 16:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/7FQYnnjL |
| 16:02.43 | djszapiN9 | also, the channel join dialog is rathet scary |
| 16:03.23 | Venemo | djszapiN9, what do you recommend to improve it? |
| 16:03.31 | djszapiN9 | i should really not be forced to type # for channels |
| 16:03.42 | djszapiN9 | should be chechbox |
| 16:03.58 | alterego | lcuk: have you looked at symbian belle yet? |
| 16:04.10 | alterego | lcuk: can't wait for the final release ... |
| 16:04.40 | djszapiN9 | alterego it is not symbian channel |
| 16:04.43 | Venemo | djszapiN9, good idea |
| 16:04.55 | Venemo | alterego, what's so good about it? |
| 16:05.29 | djszapiN9 | venemo you could rrmove the relevant text rhat way |
| 16:05.30 | Elessar | shit... VisualDataModel doesn't handle layoutChanged signal |
| 16:05.36 | lcuk | alterego, I haven't updated the n8 yet |
| 16:05.44 | lcuk | but belle has great things |
| 16:05.45 | lcuk | :) |
| 16:06.58 | Elessar | does anybody know the way to force VisualDataModel to recheck all items' data? |
| 16:08.31 | Venemo | djszapiN9, so you propose a checkbox which adds or removes a '#' character to the beginning? |
| 16:08.50 | djszapiN9 | no |
| 16:09.01 | Venemo | then? |
| 16:09.02 | berndhs | the # is part of the channel name |
| 16:09.06 | Venemo | indeed. |
| 16:09.07 | djszapiN9 | that is conceptually the ame |
| 16:09.14 | Venemo | so what are you proposing? |
| 16:09.53 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: thinking about analog loopback for radio: also consider that the N950 uses a different codec altogether for headphones |
| 16:10.34 | javispedro | btw, hey DocScrutinizer, did you heard the news about radio? :) |
| 16:10.46 | Venemo | javispedro, what are the news? :) |
| 16:10.52 | javispedro | Venemo: that it works |
| 16:10.54 | javispedro | :D |
| 16:11.01 | Venemo | javispedro, you said it isn't possible? |
| 16:11.11 | Venemo | javispedro, what happened? |
| 16:11.11 | javispedro | fmrx |
| 16:11.26 | javispedro | this happened https://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/blobs/master/plugins/fmradio/fmradio-hci.c |
| 16:11.40 | Venemo | hmm |
| 16:11.40 | javispedro | I accidentally triggered that code while playing with my libresource for SDL code |
| 16:11.52 | Venemo | hmhm |
| 16:12.01 | javispedro | by the time I knew what happened, local news were coming through my headphones... |
| 16:12.10 | Venemo | :D |
| 16:12.15 | Venemo | maybe you will trigger some FMTX code too :P |
| 16:12.30 | javispedro | so, that's the magic command that was missing to setup to digital audio path :) |
| 16:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.56 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: but it's quite simple actually |
| 16:13.09 | javispedro | the interesting tidbit is 0x3f 0x00 0xf3 0x88 0x01 0x02 |
| 16:13.19 | javispedro | that sets some register -- I have no idea which one -- to 0x02. |
| 16:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | damn, couldn't that wait until maybe Wednesday, when my rant arrived at Quim? |
| 16:13.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer :D |
| 16:13.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what's your rant? |
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| 16:13.59 | Elessar | oh, yeah. does anybody knows any djvu viewer for N950? |
| 16:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=30644&postcount=40 |
| 16:15.00 | javispedro | the good news is that this is is not shared with the mic like the N900 |
| 16:15.02 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, well, I do agree with your rant |
| 16:15.05 | javispedro | therefore, phone calls will still work |
| 16:15.14 | javispedro | no matter what the fmradio app does |
| 16:15.31 | javispedro | on the other side, it is shared with BT hands free profile audio |
| 16:15.51 | javispedro | (but it should still work alongside BT A2DP) |
| 16:16.27 | Venemo | https://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/blobs/master/plugins/fmradio/fmradio-hci.c#line32 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA |
| 16:16.57 | javispedro | :) |
| 16:17.27 | javispedro | also, if I want stereo, I need to bypass pulse to capture... :S |
| 16:17.37 | javispedro | as pulse is configured with channels=1 |
| 16:17.39 | Elessar | > oh, yeah. does anybody know any djvu viewer for N950? |
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| 16:18.10 | javispedro | so the app will have to get audio from ALSA and submit it to pulse... pfft. |
| 16:26.21 | rzr | Elessar: it will need some fixes ZLQmlApplicationWindow.h:31:âfatalâerror:âpolicy/resource-set.h:âNoâsuchâfileâorâdirectory |
| 16:26.39 | Elessar | oh, really? |
| 16:28.07 | Elessar | rzr: do you have libresourceqt-dev installed? |
| 16:28.27 | rzr | if it depends on it , i guess yes |
| 16:28.59 | Elessar | I've forgotten to add it to depends %) |
| 16:29.51 | rzr | are those srcs on some public scm ? |
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| 16:30.33 | berndhs | if you need IRC for harmattan, you can get e6irc from here http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/earthling/Harmattan/ |
| 16:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30691#post30691 |
| 16:30.52 | berndhs | if you dont' like the colors, send me a patch https://github.com/berndhs/e6irc |
| 16:31.18 | rzr | berndhs: does it support bip server ? |
| 16:31.24 | Venemo | berndhs, if you need IRC from harmattan, you can use IRC Chatter, the first MeeGo/Harmattan IRC client: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter |
| 16:32.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I sure do agree :) |
| 16:32.07 | berndhs | Venemo: yes its good to have choices |
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| 16:32.25 | berndhs | rzr: don't know, havent tried it |
| 16:32.54 | Venemo | berndhs, you made another IRC client? |
| 16:32.56 | rzr | i see you have a xmmp lib in your repo ? |
| 16:33.19 | berndhs | Venemo: i had this one for desktop, adapted it a bit for phone |
| 16:33.26 | Venemo | :) |
| 16:33.39 | rzr | is it hard to plug xmpp into it ? |
| 16:33.45 | berndhs | rzr: i have qxmpp, an older version, for another chat application |
| 16:34.30 | berndhs | the e6irc doesn't ahve anything for xmpp, I separated it out because of dependencies |
| 16:34.43 | berndhs | didn't want to port qxmpp this week |
| 16:35.25 | berndhs | the desktop caht app uses separate windows for different chats, that won't work on phone |
| 16:36.00 | Venemo | berndhs, can you gimme a screenshot of your UI? |
| 16:36.22 | Elessar | rzr: https://github.com/euroelessar/FBReader - "meego" branch |
| 16:36.29 | rzr | so far xmpp is not really supported on harmattan , i workaround it that way : http://rzr.online.fr/q/xmpp |
| 16:36.29 | berndhs | let me look, its somplace... |
| 16:37.20 | hiemanshu | berndhs: have a feature list somewhere? |
| 16:37.25 | djszapi | I am happy with the newer image containing xmpp by default ;) |
| 16:38.08 | rzr | not yet released right ? |
| 16:38.09 | Venemo | djszapi, can't you leak this newer image for our poor old N950s? |
| 16:38.51 | djszapi | Venemo: I do not care about N950 |
| 16:39.10 | berndhs | hiemanshu: feature list ? damn you people are demanding :) |
| 16:39.11 | Venemo | djszapi, that's sad, because I only have the N950 |
| 16:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: it won't even install AFAIK |
| 16:39.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, heh |
| 16:39.34 | hiemanshu | berndhs: feature list, supported commands, and a screenshot, never used anything without em |
| 16:39.36 | berndhs | hiemanshu: mutiple servers, multiple nicks, retro-look and feel |
| 16:39.41 | djszapi | Venemo: but yes, I can of course install new images on my internal N950 |
| 16:40.10 | rzr | djszapi: are we able to rebuild some parts to support telepathy-idle ? |
| 16:40.14 | djszapi | even for the free one, but I do not do it, that is |
| 16:40.26 | djszapi | rzr: telepathy-idle has zero to do with xmpp |
| 16:40.37 | rzr | gabble |
| 16:40.38 | rzr | sorry |
| 16:40.47 | Venemo | djszapi, "internal N950"? |
| 16:40.53 | rzr | i talked about the irc one on other channel :) |
| 16:40.56 | djszapi | rzr: and no, I do not find it interesting to reinvent the wheel |
| 16:41.14 | rzr | i wont |
| 16:41.16 | djszapi | Venemo: we developed for both devices obviously... |
| 16:42.05 | Venemo | djszapi, can such an image be flashed onto my "non-internal" N950? |
| 16:42.20 | djszapi | technically of course. |
| 16:42.30 | djszapi | fail to see why not, legally ... your research |
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| 16:42.57 | Venemo | djszapi, well, I will not tell anyone, if that's what you're worried about :P |
| 16:43.05 | Venemo | bbiab |
| 16:43.12 | djszapi | tell what ? |
| 16:43.27 | Venemo | djszapi, that you leaked the new firmware for me (in the event that you leak it) |
| 16:43.32 | Venemo | :P |
| 16:43.44 | Venemo | I'm joking of course, don't take me seriously! |
| 16:43.45 | djszapi | Venemo: shouldn't you wake up from the dream world ? :p |
| 16:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30691#post30691 |
| 16:43.56 | Venemo | djszapi, I don't want to wake up :P |
| 16:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: \o/ nevertheless |
| 16:44.05 | Venemo | anyway, need to go. will be back later |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: but please help pushing for decent hw docu |
| 16:44.35 | djszapi | Venemo: also, this channel dialog is rather scary |
| 16:44.46 | djszapi | it needs a bit of refactoring from usability point of view... |
| 16:44.58 | ajalkane | Ah fuck it would suck to wake up and realize getting N950 was just a dream |
| 16:45.30 | djszapi | what is this guy talking about ? :) |
| 16:45.31 | Smith | Elessar and me at this moment working on port qutIM for harmattan. qutIM supports jabber, icq, irc and others http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0903/h_1315058556_1431082_0e97311006.png |
| 16:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd more feel like awakening from a nightmare :-P |
| 16:46.10 | ajalkane | Hehe |
| 16:46.22 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: one with aegis? |
| 16:46.24 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 16:47.19 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: touché. Note though it is one of the reasons I like to understand what it is doing. |
| 16:47.40 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: however, on that same file there's the command that supposedly reverts the magic sequence -- by setting the register to 0x1 |
| 16:47.55 | djszapi | Smith: nice idea, but why is it better than having this account system ? |
| 16:48.27 | djszapi | (which is officially supported) |
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| 16:55.04 | rzr | Venemo: i'll keep using irc-chatter for xmpp :) |
| 16:56.20 | Elessar | djszapi: because it doesn't work yet, also there are lots of users of qutIM at Maemo 5, we think that it also will be popular (may be) at Meego |
| 16:57.04 | djszapi | Elessar: sure, but it is maemo6 |
| 16:57.20 | Elessar | ok, *at Maemo 6 |
| 16:57.28 | Elessar | doesn't matter, really |
| 16:57.45 | djszapi | Elessar: also, there are so many applications missing and Nokia does not work on that. I personally dislike if we do not work efficiently for applications first missing. |
| 16:58.10 | Elessar | djszapi: what applications do you mean? I've already ported FBReader to Maemo 6 |
| 16:58.33 | Elessar | if you have any more nice ideas I would be like to think about them and may be implement |
| 16:58.44 | Elessar | *to listen about them |
| 16:59.54 | Elessar | or FBReader is also "useless" application to port by your opinion?) |
| 17:00.25 | djszapi | Elessar: mmm, I do not think harmattan is feature rich at all yet...but for instance I work on a dictionary application in general. That is something I found missing. Also, I was trying to encourage others to make an IRC clients from the beginning. I think there are a lot of rooms for clean improvements instead of duplicating already satisfied use cases. |
| 17:01.49 | Elessar | djszapi: so tell me about them, please) |
| 17:02.10 | djszapi | I have just mentioned two bigger use cases, dictionary and irc client... |
| 17:02.15 | Elessar | djszapi: hm, may be you know, is there any djvu viewer? |
| 17:02.31 | Elessar | djszapi: qutIM has irc support |
| 17:02.46 | djszapi | Elessar: which goes against the whole platform design, account system |
| 17:02.51 | Elessar | I just have to finish UI implementation |
| 17:03.00 | djszapi | so what I was referring from the beginning is a telepathy-idle based IRC client |
| 17:03.15 | Elessar | hm |
| 17:03.28 | Elessar | I want to move to Telepathy only in some future |
| 17:03.30 | djszapi | I started working on that in full time .. |
| 17:03.46 | djszapi | but lot of help needed there for instance. |
| 17:04.14 | Elessar | I suffer from missing libraries to create ConnectionManager's at Qt |
| 17:04.38 | Venemo | djszapi, it's very nice of you that despite your affiliation to telepathy, you helped us with our client :) |
| 17:04.44 | Elessar | becaues, i.e., I want to have VKontakte and Mail.Ru protocols support |
| 17:04.52 | djszapi | Venemo: yes, because we need to have something temporarily. |
| 17:05.01 | Elessar | they are not supported by official client |
| 17:05.10 | Elessar | and won't be in any future |
| 17:05.20 | Venemo | djszapi, nice excuse :P |
| 17:05.27 | djszapi | mh ? |
| 17:05.59 | Venemo | admit it that you simply like it. |
| 17:06.10 | Venemo | should now wake up from his drem world, shouldn't he? |
| 17:06.16 | djszapi | Elessar: that would also be a bit duplication, but I wanted to learn webkit, and had the phantasy of writing a webkit based open source browser that I would use instead of grob. |
| 17:07.25 | djszapi | Venemo: I dislike the design of it and how it is against the account system (as I have been saying this from the beginning), but this is now what works. It does not mean at all we cannot make an IRC client based on telepathy that can better be integrated with the platform and rest |
| 17:09.24 | Venemo | djszapi, yeah, you told that numerous times |
| 17:09.52 | djszapi | put it clear, if it was not: irc-chatter is a temporary solution for me until that is done. |
| 17:11.54 | djszapi | Elessar: another idea: to make phone sync up ui application which can also handle the exports from files. |
| 17:12.22 | djszapi | that is unfortunately due to the resource lack, will not be implemented in the platform as it should be, and it is not painful to make it work from cli. |
| 17:12.37 | djszapi | *it is painful |
| 17:13.29 | djszapi | google+ client, like the facebook one as well |
| 17:14.13 | berndhs | why shoud IRC go through the accounts system? then it wont work on anything except harmattan |
| 17:14.14 | djszapi | I wrote a working printer application, but not sure it will ever be published as open source, so maybe also a printer application in QML. (I wrote it in mt) |
| 17:15.21 | djszapi | berndhs: because a normal user does not care about others, just a consistent system ? |
| 17:15.52 | djszapi | and since telepathy-idle was discussed it here what it can provide, and it is sponsored by companies instead of a leisure time playground library project ? |
| 17:15.56 | berndhs | djszapi: but if the harmattan API adds no value for this application, why would anyone use it ? |
| 17:16.13 | djszapi | eh ? |
| 17:16.30 | berndhs | what value does the harmattan API add to writing an IRC client ? |
| 17:16.46 | Elessar | yeah, good question |
| 17:16.56 | berndhs | i dont think it helps with anything, so why use it ? |
| 17:16.58 | djszapi | handle the irc account like any other account ? |
| 17:17.37 | berndhs | handling the account is a trivial thing, why do through some complicated proprietary API for that ? |
| 17:17.50 | berndhs | s/do/go/ |
| 17:18.03 | javispedro | back when the N8x0 supported IRC out of the box it was quite cool to have it integrated with the standard UI |
| 17:18.14 | djszapi | berndhs to be consistent with the rest ? |
| 17:18.19 | javispedro | That's quite a compelling reason IMHO |
| 17:18.28 | javispedro | on the other side, it had the least features. |
| 17:18.29 | berndhs | what for ? does the rest help me with writing my apps ? |
| 17:18.40 | berndhs | consistent UI is a benefit yes |
| 17:19.28 | djszapi | I do not understand the question then... |
| 17:19.35 | berndhs | but there is a disadvantage to using an API that is only on 1 device |
| 17:19.57 | berndhs | it means the app will have to be partly re-written for the rest of the world |
| 17:20.09 | djszapi | I think you are rather outdated. |
| 17:20.12 | djszapi | quassel is being ported |
| 17:20.20 | djszapi | which would be kinda "platform independent". |
| 17:20.28 | djszapi | and there is a consistent interface with the rest |
| 17:20.29 | berndhs | and since, for example, I already have a trivial account system, why should I bother ? |
| 17:20.35 | djszapi | so everything is under work, I do not see your point really. |
| 17:20.58 | berndhs | i dont see your point either :) |
| 17:21.14 | djszapi | that is a very sad conclusion |
| 17:21.54 | Elessar | djszapi: nowadays qutIM supports Windows, GNU/Linux, MacOS X, Symbian, Maemo 5, there were attempts to port it to Android, now I'm able to port it to Meego in, maximum, a month. Is telepathy as half of it as "platform independent" ? |
| 17:21.57 | berndhs | yes 2 misunderstood people :) |
| 17:22.52 | Elessar | I've heard about Telepathy only at GNU/Linux (included Maemo5 and Maemo6) |
| 17:23.01 | djszapi | Elessar: I think you forgot to realize there are already other projects targetting these use cases, and it is really really annoying when there are different projects for the same use case instead of making one good one. |
| 17:23.12 | djszapi | Elessar: you heard it badly. |
| 17:23.30 | Elessar | djszapi: why your *irc* app is better? |
| 17:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 17:23.43 | Elessar | in addition to account management |
| 17:23.51 | djszapi | Elessar: written thousand times, consistent with the rest |
| 17:24.04 | Elessar | I'm able to be intergrated with Telepathy's account management |
| 17:24.08 | djszapi | and it was overdiscussed here by a telepathy guy explaining the advantages, please read back |
| 17:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | as if this was any sort of a criterion for an app's "quality" as perceived by users |
| 17:24.50 | djszapi | it is not about cross-platform, as I have never cared about that. Konversation, quassel and other projects have been existing for those purposes for quite a while. |
| 17:25.45 | djszapi | it is very very sad seeing X different projects working on the same thing... Nightmare of the efficiency. |
| 17:26.04 | berndhs | the reason I wrote my simple IRC app is that I tried quassel first :) |
| 17:26.17 | berndhs | way too much machinery |
| 17:27.09 | djszapi | sorry, but I cannot believe you since as an outstander I should read a well-thought discussion where both parties say their arguement. |
| 17:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | and I'd kick any "integrated solution" for xchat any day (again), if only because I'm used to it and *really* don't need IRC integrated with contacts database |
| 17:28.27 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I do not see your point apart from arguing unneccesarily. |
| 17:28.28 | djszapi | as I said (please please please read back), there is a cross-platform and also a platform-integrated project ongoing; |
| 17:28.28 | djszapi | your use case is also covered, period. |
| 17:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | your last post is all the pints I need to feel pissed amd reject your suggestion |
| 17:29.13 | berndhs | i don't understand people who want the same solution for everybody |
| 17:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | points even |
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| 17:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | berndhs: exactly |
| 17:29.43 | djszapi | berndhs: you do not have different use case |
| 17:29.46 | djszapi | just different code, that is |
| 17:29.52 | berndhs | don't like my solution, go use another one |
| 17:30.02 | djszapi | ofc I do not use your use case |
| 17:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe *I* like that different code and UX |
| 17:30.09 | djszapi | but it is still not efficient to reinvent the wheel |
| 17:30.30 | berndhs | it is less efficient to try to shoehorn everyone into the same solution |
| 17:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | HAHA |
| 17:30.34 | djszapi | *ofc I do not use your use project |
| 17:31.13 | djszapi | berndhs: please give me a comparison |
| 17:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | reinvent the wheel, like in replacing an existing accounts management by the "proprietary" HARM flavour? |
| 17:31.27 | djszapi | berndhs: what is different in your project ? What design principle ? |
| 17:31.44 | Venemo | hey people, please behave yourselves. don't kill each other yet. |
| 17:32.00 | berndhs | djszapi: tell me why I should waste time using quassel, or the accounts API, when I can make chat app myself faster and with less pain |
| 17:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how long will you take for your friggin camcorder? |
| 17:32.30 | berndhs | djszapi: my design principle is that I don't like the quassel UI, and I made one myself that I like better |
| 17:32.35 | djszapi | berndhs: I fail to see what is wrong with quassel or conversation...again please, mailing list discussion ? |
| 17:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's PINK |
| 17:33.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what camcorder? |
| 17:33.05 | berndhs | djszapi: in the time spent telling people why i don't like quassel, i can write my own app |
| 17:33.11 | djszapi | because normally if I have a use case, and there are existing projects for that use case...I try to contact the project core members on the mailing list (just like I have done with konversation and telepathy guys). |
| 17:33.22 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, aaaah, I get it :P |
| 17:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | damn, what's wrong with a UI?!! :-O *I don't like it as much as I like anoither UI" is a valid answer |
| 17:33.55 | Elessar | hey! stop! it would be better if anybody would tell me any DJVU VIEWER application! |
| 17:34.02 | Venemo | djszapi, based on that argument, every linux distribution should shut itself down and join the development of Fedora. |
| 17:34.10 | Elessar | or I have to write it? o_O |
| 17:34.19 | djszapi | berndhs: new Ui is rather pure answer.... |
| 17:34.19 | djszapi | * poor |
| 17:34.20 | djszapi | you can still use their library functionality and building a new ui in their project, just like it happened so many times. |
| 17:34.31 | Venemo | Elessar, it seems that we will soon have 3 different IRC clients, but no such viewer app :P |
| 17:34.40 | Elessar | shit! |
| 17:34.46 | Elessar | I really need it) |
| 17:34.52 | djszapi | Venemo, that is the point yes... |
| 17:34.55 | berndhs | djszapi: no its not a poor answer. It is what I want to spend my time on. it is _my_ time, not yours |
| 17:34.55 | djszapi | exactly!!! |
| 17:35.19 | Elessar | Venemo: so there is no one yet? and nobody is going to write it? |
| 17:35.23 | djszapi | berndhs: you do what you want, I do not care. I am entitled to say my opinion which is that, it is not efficient |
| 17:35.32 | berndhs | djszapi: who are you to tell people what they should spend their time on ? |
| 17:35.35 | Venemo | Elessar, I have no idea. I'm not aware of it |
| 17:35.50 | djszapi | 23:35 < djszapi> berndhs: you do what you want, I do not care. I am entitled to say my opinion which is that, it is not efficient |
| 17:36.03 | Elessar | oh |
| 17:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: It seems to me you again started to follow your usual path of arguing with people just for the only reason they are not all excited about what HARM gave us, and they dared to think about and even use or (OMG) code alternatives |
| 17:36.14 | Elessar | what good djvu libraries do exist? |
| 17:36.42 | berndhs | djszapi: you do care, why else do you argue about these things |
| 17:36.52 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: it is rather sad you do not even read what we write. Quassel is hardly integrated with "HARM". |
| 17:37.08 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: please read more and make sure you understand the sentences before getting into a discussion (it is not the first time you do not care about that what happened previously) |
| 17:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:37.34 | javispedro | hey |
| 17:37.42 | javispedro | first time ever Aegis has _helped me_ |
| 17:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's *your* take on it. Maybe that's cause by *your* missing understanding of _my_ sentences? |
| 17:38.03 | Elessar | javispedro: erm? is it possible? |
| 17:38.06 | javispedro | "user" on harm doesn't seem to be a member of "audio" and thus can't get to /dev/snd/* |
| 17:38.17 | javispedro | but adding GRP::sound to Aegis worked around that |
| 17:38.33 | javispedro | ponders if non-devel fw will allow that |
| 17:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | adding to aegis?? |
| 17:39.35 | javispedro | requesting as token |
| 17:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | aegis-exec -a ? |
| 17:39.45 | javispedro | no, via "my way" |
| 17:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:39.52 | javispedro | I still fear aegis-exec will MALF my device =) |
| 17:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | kewl |
| 17:40.22 | javispedro | hm |
| 17:40.23 | javispedro | wait |
| 17:40.34 | javispedro | no, it didn't work -- false call =) |
| 17:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | so firsLF screen :-S |
| 17:40.43 | djszapi | it should not work, yes... |
| 17:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | err :-D |
| 17:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 17:41.22 | djszapi | it is simple to solve anyway |
| 17:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | first of all fix the initscript that calls do_malf or what it's called :-D |
| 17:41.54 | djszapi | except that is integrity protected... |
| 17:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-P if it were not I'd not even mention it here |
| 17:42.40 | djszapi | Elessar: I do not see anything related to djvu |
| 17:42.55 | djszapi | I would personally like to see okular on mobile phones. |
| 17:43.05 | Elessar | okular is too heavy, isn't it? |
| 17:43.10 | djszapi | that is something I wanted to port 1.5 years ago, but never found the time |
| 17:43.11 | Elessar | it depends on kdelibs |
| 17:43.17 | djszapi | kdelibs is available. |
| 17:43.29 | Elessar | so it won't be possible to put application to OVI store |
| 17:43.36 | Elessar | am I right? |
| 17:43.50 | djszapi | I do not think so |
| 17:44.28 | Elessar | as I know OVI's application MUST be provided as SINGLE debian package |
| 17:44.50 | Elessar | without ANY depends on any non provided with mobile libraries |
| 17:45.22 | Elessar | so I can't use kdelibs and a lot of other heavy libraries, and I must to link statically with all of them |
| 17:45.42 | djszapi | except that okular core can depend on pure Qt. |
| 17:46.01 | Elessar | hm, haven't known |
| 17:46.05 | Elessar | interesting |
| 17:46.16 | djszapi | let me take a look at the codebase.. |
| 17:46.55 | djszapi | but at any rate, you can make a single djvu viewer, too of course. |
| 17:47.27 | Elessar | it's more interesting to use okular :) |
| 17:47.37 | Elessar | if it's really doesn't depend on kdelibs |
| 17:47.51 | djszapi | I think it does, but what I tried to say, it might be possible to eliminate it |
| 17:49.07 | djszapi | yep, a bit of dependency in the core subfolder, but should be doable without that |
| 17:50.25 | djszapi | they are using one kDebug, that could simply be qDebug |
| 17:50.45 | djszapi | and they are using kdemacros.h which would be 5-6 lines change to eliminate |
| 17:50.52 | djszapi | I might send a patch to them if you wanna me to do that. |
| 17:52.38 | djszapi | grep -rn kde ./djvu/ |
| 17:52.40 | djszapi | ./djvu/generator_djvu.cpp:29:#include <kdebug.h> |
| 17:52.40 | djszapi | ./djvu/generator_djvu.cpp:80: aboutData.addAuthor( ki18n( "Pino Toscano" ), KLocalizedString(), "pino@kde.org" ); |
| 17:52.44 | djszapi | ./djvu/kdjvu.cpp:21:#include <kdebug.h> |
| 17:52.44 | djszapi | ./djvu/CMakeLists.txt:16:kde4_add_plugin(okularGenerator_djvu ${okularGenerator_djvu_SRCS}) |
| 17:53.02 | djszapi | this can also be eliminated simply, at least with ifdef things, if nothing else. |
| 17:53.35 | Elessar | great |
| 17:54.18 | Elessar | djszapi: son't you remember git's repo address for kde? I everytime can't find them for a long time( |
| 17:54.28 | djszapi | very simple: projects.kde.org |
| 17:54.42 | djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegraphics/okular/repository |
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| 17:58.26 | Elessar | djszapi: are there any possibility to send patches through git to them? |
| 17:59.00 | djszapi | do you have a developer account ? |
| 17:59.22 | Elessar | nope |
| 18:00.06 | djszapi | mmmh, I have actually been wrong :( There are a bit more work to eliminate KDE... |
| 18:00.43 | djszapi | Elessar: if you do not have KDE developer account, that is a bit more problematic, yes. |
| 18:01.02 | Elessar | is it possible to get it? |
| 18:01.02 | djszapi | you cannot push to even a scratch branch repository, if I am not mistaken. |
| 18:01.20 | djszapi | after few good patches, I guess. |
| 18:02.27 | djszapi | document.cpp and fileprinter.cpp might be a bit harder to eliminate, so I would vote for a simple qt/qml djvu viewer for starter. |
| 18:02.50 | djszapi | or I would discuss it with Albert, pinotree and other okular developers on the mailing list. |
| 18:04.31 | Elessar | oh no! |
| 18:04.58 | Elessar | okular depends on QWidget's |
| 18:05.24 | djszapi | yes since it is a very old application, but that is completely fine if a Ui standalone depends on that. |
| 18:06.24 | javispedro | requesting UID::root worked |
| 18:06.36 | djszapi | uhh, that is dirty hack... |
| 18:06.47 | javispedro | well, any other ideas.. |
| 18:06.53 | djszapi | yes, of course |
| 18:06.55 | javispedro | I need to set some mixer values |
| 18:06.58 | djszapi | request GID::audio |
| 18:08.40 | javispedro | not in the origin '' list, I would not be able to ship this to anyone.. |
| 18:09.00 | Elessar | I'll implement djvu reader as begin |
| 18:09.00 | Elessar | I really want to implement viewer with nice kinetic %) |
| 18:11.15 | djszapi | Elessar :) |
| 18:12.03 | javispedro | potentially making a root daemon that does radio isn't out of the question |
| 18:12.08 | javispedro | but I wouldn't want to do it |
| 18:12.25 | djszapi | lol |
| 18:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: YAY |
| 18:13.18 | Elessar | oh yeah, I've guessed how it should be implemented |
| 18:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: isn't it a real PITA with all these credentials that protect me from... err from what? Some rogue app detuning my FMRX? |
| 18:13.46 | javispedro | well |
| 18:14.04 | RST38h | mooo |
| 18:14.04 | RST38h | moos at javispedro |
| 18:14.04 | djszapi | Elessar: http://djvu.sourceforge.net/djview4.html |
| 18:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | moo and L8R |
| 18:14.19 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: technically, gaining access to GRP::audio would allow anyone to cause havoc in ALSA mixers. you potentially know the consequences... |
| 18:14.22 | RST38h | Elessar:If you have not fixed the desktop icon yet, I know what to do |
| 18:14.32 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you could cause a feedback loop that could... destroy the universe! >:) |
| 18:14.44 | Elessar | djszapi: Implemented as reusable Qt widgets |
| 18:14.49 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 18:14.51 | RST38h | javispedro: good. so, how do I do that? |
| 18:14.59 | Elessar | as you know Qt widgets are not reusable at Maemo6 at all |
| 18:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I not only know the consequences but also can figure better ways to deal with it |
| 18:15.29 | djszapi | except that, it is not /anyone/, but your binary. |
| 18:15.30 | djszapi | Elessar: they did not separate the functionality from the Ui ? |
| 18:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, in a hurry |
| 18:15.38 | djszapi | because that is the crucial part of a reusable project. |
| 18:15.41 | Elessar | dunno, I need to check |
| 18:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | cya 2morrow |
| 18:15.53 | javispedro | decides to ship the test app suid root / UID::root, important thing is to get some sound for now, latter talk about how to do it "better". |
| 18:15.54 | javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer |
| 18:16.00 | Elessar | but okular's generator is a good source, as I understand |
| 18:16.46 | djszapi | I would contact both project core members, if I were you after some own research. |
| 18:17.33 | javispedro | RST38h: I managed to get quite a squeack once =) |
| 18:17.49 | javispedro | *squeak :P |
| 18:17.57 | RST38h | javispedro: You mean the Irene? |
| 18:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 18:18.34 | javispedro | Irene? |
| 18:18.38 | javispedro | ah |
| 18:18.43 | javispedro | that hurricane thing |
| 18:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: "CC" me on that test app, I might have a look into it, how to ship around or "fix" token stuff |
| 18:19.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're not going to like it |
| 18:19.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it records from ALSA uploads to PA |
| 18:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 18:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | <eah, seen it |
| 18:19.24 | RST38h | javispedro: so, the radio is not completely hopeless yet? |
| 18:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | nah, almost working |
| 18:19.44 | javispedro | RST38h: fmrx will be beaten into working. fmtx is another story |
| 18:19.50 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | won't |
| 18:19.57 | RST38h | well, who needs fmtx, too weak anyway |
| 18:20.02 | javispedro | same here |
| 18:20.05 | Elessar | djszapi: it's not seprareted into library and app |
| 18:20.14 | Elessar | I mean Qt'based library |
| 18:20.30 | djszapi | Elessar: that is one thing where you could jump into the picture. |
| 18:20.36 | Elessar | it's based on the same djvu library as Okular's generator |
| 18:21.17 | javispedro | RST38h: the problem is that /dev/snd/* is root-only on Harmattan and apps have no access |
| 18:21.30 | Elessar | I only want to use some bases of okular's generator as I want to build app at top of QGraphicsView power |
| 18:21.33 | javispedro | and PA can capture sound from the radio, but mono 8kHZ only |
| 18:21.39 | djszapi | not just on Harmattan, it is root on desktop linux as well |
| 18:21.41 | javispedro | (that is clearly designed with BT HFP in mind) |
| 18:21.45 | javispedro | djszapi: no |
| 18:22.10 | RST38h | javispedro: 8kHz for radio is not that bad |
| 18:22.11 | djszapi | s -lad /dev/snd/ |
| 18:22.12 | djszapi | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 380 Sep 3 21:05 /dev/snd/ |
| 18:22.21 | RST38h | won't do music, but will do decent speech |
| 18:22.37 | javispedro | djszapi: your distro is broken =) |
| 18:22.52 | djszapi | sure... |
| 18:22.54 | javispedro | djszapi: all sane distros use CK to automatically chown /dev/snd/* nodes to currently logged in user |
| 18:23.03 | djszapi | all of them are, of course... |
| 18:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 4 Aug 26 23:07 pcmC0D0c |
| 18:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 3 Sep 3 20:22 pcmC0D0p |
| 18:23.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: note the "+", that is an ACL |
| 18:23.33 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: which is CK's work |
| 18:23.52 | javispedro | CK=consolekit |
| 18:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names |
| 18:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c |
| 18:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | # owner: root |
| 18:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | # group: audio |
| 18:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | user::rw- |
| 18:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | user:jr:rw- |
| 18:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | group::rw- |
| 18:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | mask::rw- |
| 18:25.10 | javispedro | see :) |
| 18:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | other::--- |
| 18:25.19 | javispedro | you're jr I bet |
| 18:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 18:26.45 | javispedro | RST38h: either way I need ALSA access to set some mixers, so not much benefit even if were to say that mono 8kHz is okay |
| 18:26.45 | djszapi | I fail to see the difference on desktop and harmattan |
| 18:26.52 | djszapi | *desktops |
| 18:26.59 | javispedro | desktop = currently logged in user can access ALSA, |
| 18:27.01 | javispedro | harmattan = not. |
| 18:27.17 | javispedro | what distro do you have djszapi btw? |
| 18:27.23 | djszapi | that is quite false |
| 18:27.32 | djszapi | I can just use fine alsa in my game with simple user. |
| 18:27.48 | javispedro | you're using PA's fake ALSA |
| 18:27.51 | djszapi | javispedro: more, like archlinux, debian and the like |
| 18:28.06 | javispedro | nah |
| 18:28.31 | javispedro | nfi about ArchLinux (but I'd be surprised if they disallow ALSA to users...), |
| 18:28.39 | javispedro | but Debian uses _both_ CK and the audio group |
| 18:28.46 | djszapi | not really, no. |
| 18:29.08 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/117709/ |
| 18:29.21 | djszapi | first: harmattan second: desktop |
| 18:29.42 | javispedro | well, you have a problem right there |
| 18:29.57 | djszapi | well, on more computers with more distributions ? |
| 18:29.59 | javispedro | either CK is not running or you forgot to enable ACLs in tmpfs |
| 18:30.36 | javispedro | wait a moment |
| 18:30.47 | javispedro | since even stupid Pulse runs as user on desktop |
| 18:30.54 | javispedro | how is Pulse working on your system? |
| 18:30.55 | javispedro | it isn't. |
| 18:31.04 | djszapi | I dislike pulse, so I do not have it |
| 18:31.11 | javispedro | so you don't use audio at all. |
| 18:31.17 | javispedro | or you're a member of the audio group. |
| 18:31.24 | djszapi | I am using alsa |
| 18:31.54 | javispedro | then the only I can think of is that you're a member of "audio" group |
| 18:32.05 | javispedro | (user is not a member of audio in harmattan...) |
| 18:32.28 | djszapi | groups lpapp |
| 18:32.28 | djszapi | wheel users sbox |
| 18:32.43 | djszapi | groups root |
| 18:32.44 | djszapi | root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel log |
| 18:33.07 | javispedro | well, you explain that to me. |
| 18:34.37 | djszapi | desktop behaves like harmattan here regarding that |
| 18:34.45 | javispedro | no |
| 18:34.48 | djszapi | *desktops behave |
| 18:34.51 | javispedro | I have no idea about how it works on yours |
| 18:35.01 | djszapi | out-of-the-box ;) |
| 18:35.12 | javispedro | but I can tell you most distros use CK |
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| 18:40.07 | djszapi | javispedro: one thing not working on one of my laptop is that if I set the master to a certain value and then I leave by using espace. It is getting zero again after a reboot and I need to set it after reboot. |
| 18:40.15 | djszapi | laptops* |
| 18:40.48 | djszapi | master as in "alsamixer". |
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| 20:35.34 | wazd | For those who were waiting for weather app for harmattan - the wait is over (sort of) :P |
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| 20:36.15 | npm | yay my qtcreator update icons is lit!! yay my qtcreator update icons is lit!! |
| 20:36.20 | npm | is dork |
| 20:36.38 | berndhs | is it reasonable that i'm getting data from only 1 of the cameras ? the last one I try ? |
| 20:38.26 | npm | woah, there be updates here |
| 20:40.08 | npm | i hope one of the updates allows harmattan UI stuff to run on the desktop |
| 20:46.13 | wazd | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30705#post30705 <- tada! :) |
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| 20:51.24 | berndhs | just in time for the fall season |
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| 21:26.41 | evilJazz | npm, Qt 4.7.4 Desktop is included in the new Qt SDK, so one can finally use the Qt Quick 1.1 components without the need to compile 4.7.4. Check here: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/setting-up-qt-sdk-for-meego-harmattan.html and skip the compilation step. Worked for me. |
| 21:31.08 | npm | evilJazz: thanks! |
| 21:35.39 | npm | those crazy hazors http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/02/what-the-diginotar-security-breach-means-for-qt-users/ |
| 21:35.49 | npm | s/hazors/haxors |
| 21:37.18 | npm | well i guess this update means i can deinstall my extra copy of qtcreator 2.3 rc0 |
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| 23:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: (<javispedro> and PA can capture sound from the radio, but mono 8kHZ only <RST38h> javispedro: 8kHz for radio is not that bad) you're aware that sampling-rate=8kHz means abs max freq in sampled signal = 4kHz? That IS bad for radio even |
| 23:10.31 | javispedro | which is the reason I'm not using PA to capture |
| 23:11.26 | GeneralAntilles | How's progress? |
| 23:11.56 | javispedro | still writing the sample app, had not much time yet |
| 23:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | But you got it working? |
| 23:13.45 | javispedro | yep, fmrx |
| 23:14.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 23:15.01 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: you clearly weren't there, so http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-03.log.html#t2011-09-03T04:35:42 ;) |
| 23:15.14 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 23:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'm quoting that in MWKN |
| 23:15.40 | javispedro | ha |
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| 23:16.16 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: there's the thread too: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30683#post30683 |
| 23:16.22 | javispedro | probably more useful as a link :) |
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| 23:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: please try to mention in MWKN that this is not in any way a proof that things can get done regarding low level stuff, without proper hw docs |
| 23:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | You're not getting proper hardware docs. |
| 23:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | Let's be realistic. :P |
| 23:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30691#post30691 |
| 23:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: please don't act antagonistic. Sure we *could* get proper docs |
| 23:22.45 | GeneralAntilles | Blog about it so it'd save me from non-expert editorializing in a semi-related story summary? |
| 23:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | (or mailing list or forum or wherever) |
| 23:24.10 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, irc is javispedro's blog :P |
| 23:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | and DocScrutinizer's blog ;-D |
| 23:25.01 | javispedro | I remember the N900 times when there was that rather big "problem" with the initial fmradio implementation in that seemingly some N900s were left without working microphone |
| 23:25.13 | javispedro | (until reboot? until reflash? all I know is that it was fixable) |
| 23:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | That was a software issue, no? |
| 23:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sth like "fried permanently, send in to fix it" |
| 23:25.56 | javispedro | I do remember someone said his had to be sent to fix, but I think it was not caused by the same issue |
| 23:26.02 | javispedro | there was talks about hw defects in mics too. |
| 23:26.32 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:26.37 | lcuk | one of n900s here had no mic |
| 23:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | in the end we missed *proper docs* to avoid it and to find out the true nature of the defects |
| 23:26.54 | lcuk | tracy used it as her angry birds rig |
| 23:27.15 | javispedro | either way, I'm more confident in my solution |
| 23:27.26 | javispedro | there's no raw hci commands any longer |
| 23:27.40 | javispedro | and not even changes to hw:0 mixer, just hw:2 |
| 23:27.51 | javispedro | plus pulse is used for all output |
| 23:28.14 | javispedro | and libresource is used to avoid being around during phone calls |
| 23:28.45 | javispedro | I do think it could cause conflicts with BT audio, though. |
| 23:29.19 | alterego | javispedro: congrats!! |
| 23:29.26 | lcuk | what other unutilised hw is there? |
| 23:29.37 | alterego | fmtx? :) |
| 23:29.40 | javispedro | lcuk: a 1Ghz processor! =) |
| 23:29.47 | lcuk | javispedro, ? |
| 23:29.51 | javispedro | ;P |
| 23:29.58 | javispedro | need killer app ;) |
| 23:29.59 | lcuk | alterego, you are meant to say Thanks! on http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=30683#post30683 |
| 23:30.17 | alterego | how about the opencl capable gfx chip. do that! :P |
| 23:30.21 | lcuk | javispedro :) |
| 23:30.48 | lcuk | javispedro, also are you meaning there is a whole 1ghz processor idling? |
| 23:31.04 | lcuk | made first qml app yesterday |
| 23:31.11 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:31.19 | lcuk | actually, not my first |
| 23:31.25 | lcuk | but first to include sketches |
| 23:31.35 | lcuk | actually, bitmap caches of sketches |
| 23:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes, the hw issue was unrelated to the FMRX issue. |
| 23:31.49 | lcuk | because for the love of all things i couldnt get rendering speed up |
| 23:32.02 | GeneralAntilles | One was pycage not handling audio interface capture/release properly (do to shit docs) and one was a manufacturing defect. |
| 23:32.16 | lcuk | javispedro, I pondered using pygame |
| 23:32.44 | javispedro | pygame looks quite nice |
| 23:32.55 | lcuk | pygame is just the simple bindings to sdl |
| 23:32.57 | javispedro | I need to try how it looks when you use my SDL with it, though |
| 23:32.58 | lcuk | as you know |
| 23:33.04 | alterego | I wanna have a look at gluon some time soon. |
| 23:33.05 | javispedro | yeah |
| 23:33.15 | lcuk | alterego, :D |
| 23:33.24 | lcuk | leinir will help no doubt |
| 23:33.25 | alterego | Tomorrow I'm gonna attempt hacking harmattan home screens. |
| 23:33.25 | javispedro | gluon is also a good idea |
| 23:33.33 | javispedro | alterego: in gluon? :) |
| 23:33.41 | alterego | Really want a 4th vertically scrollable widget view. |
| 23:33.58 | lcuk | javispedro, is pygame default and usable on symbian do you think? |
| 23:34.02 | alterego | javispedro: it's a game framework for Qt with Qml UI capabilities. |
| 23:34.19 | alterego | lcuk: unlikey, python on symbian isn't well maintained. |
| 23:34.19 | lcuk | alterego, you mean on swipe? |
| 23:34.24 | alterego | lcuk: yes |
| 23:34.25 | javispedro | lcuk: no idea... |
| 23:34.33 | lcuk | i suggested that a while ago |
| 23:34.42 | lcuk | i think all apps should be listed there ;) |
| 23:34.43 | javispedro | lcuk: oh, http://code.google.com/p/pygame-symbian-s60/ |
| 23:34.47 | alterego | I want a forth swipe view with the original harmattan style widget display. |
| 23:34.53 | lcuk | javispedro, :) |
| 23:34.58 | alterego | If you remember tyhose sketches. |
| 23:35.03 | lcuk | wonder how performance is with some detailed sketches |
| 23:35.14 | alterego | I don't care if I have to reimplement the whole harmattan home stuff :P |
| 23:35.20 | lcuk | alterego, I have many original harmattan sketches |
| 23:35.25 | lcuk | :) |
| 23:35.31 | alterego | I'll do it just for a new meego handset ux :) |
| 23:35.57 | alterego | It really would take me less than a day to clone the whole harmattan home ux |
| 23:36.09 | lcuk | heh doubt it |
| 23:36.11 | alterego | I reckon less than four hours. |
| 23:36.20 | lcuk | that is like one of my time estimate |
| 23:36.30 | lcuk | 6 months later .. |
| 23:36.40 | alterego | The hardest part is the task switcher view. |
| 23:36.53 | lcuk | whats hard about it? |
| 23:36.59 | javispedro | lcuk: nah, those qml experts feel that they can do whatever UI they want in minutes ;) |
| 23:37.12 | alterego | the transitions, because I don't know off hand how to do it :) |
| 23:37.14 | javispedro | then the problems start when it comes to make it use the live data instead of hardcoded ;) |
| 23:37.18 | alterego | But I do have an idea. |
| 23:37.28 | lcuk | javispedro, "openswipe.diff" patch in liqbase is amusing |
| 23:38.23 | javispedro | swiping between apps is a webos idea ;) |
| 23:38.29 | alterego | okay, I may be under estimating, I'd need to implement all of the moving around of app launchers and those context menus. But that's not hard either. |
| 23:38.39 | lcuk | javispedro, hildon desktop |
| 23:38.48 | javispedro | alterego: .desktop file parsing, texture from pixmap, ... |
| 23:39.00 | javispedro | alterego: that alone would take me weeks and I know about it =) |
| 23:39.02 | alterego | .desktop is easy, they're just .ini files. |
| 23:39.09 | javispedro | oh well |
| 23:39.14 | lcuk | loves optimism |
| 23:39.24 | alterego | texture from pixma, is pretty easy, all in QPixmap and Qimage |
| 23:39.42 | lcuk | alterego, most important thing: have fun whilst coding |
| 23:39.45 | javispedro | aka überslow |
| 23:39.51 | alterego | Exactly :) |
| 23:40.06 | lcuk | my e-cig needs recharging |
| 23:40.16 | lcuk | should not have woken back up |
| 23:40.21 | alterego | I'd probably work on something with qml2 and Qt5 though, |
| 23:40.23 | javispedro | oh, pupnik, where are thou |
| 23:40.31 | alterego | Qt compositor and all that new jazz |
| 23:41.06 | lcuk | alterego, qml2 or rather qt quick 2 should have nice fast line rendering in js |
| 23:41.12 | alterego | has just got back from a wedding, really need to get out of this suit. |
| 23:41.20 | lcuk | heh |
| 23:41.22 | alterego | brb |
| 23:41.25 | lcuk | no wonder you are thinking |
| 23:42.12 | lcuk | javispedro, i made a qml app |
| 23:42.22 | lcuk | and had to cache pre-rendered sketches |
| 23:42.27 | lcuk | at various resolutions |
| 23:42.35 | javispedro | aha |
| 23:42.41 | lcuk | since "new qml for each resolution" |
| 23:42.48 | javispedro | reminds me of qgraphicsview =) |
| 23:42.49 | lcuk | but it seems so wasteful |
| 23:42.55 | lcuk | there are 9 sketches on the app |
| 23:43.01 | javispedro | ah, you mean cache before runtim? |
| 23:43.04 | javispedro | *runtime |
| 23:43.05 | lcuk | oh yeah |
| 23:43.09 | lcuk | i wrote an export from liqbase |
| 23:43.21 | lcuk | for what is a native simple task there |
| 23:43.28 | lcuk | "show a grid of sketches" |
| 23:43.38 | javispedro | I was positively surprised with qgraphicsview performance |
| 23:44.05 | javispedro | I wrote an app that renders the sketches I make with my smartpen -- we are talking about probably 4000 segments or so |
| 23:44.15 | javispedro | I just threw them all to qgv as PathItems |
| 23:44.19 | javispedro | and it was snappy |
| 23:45.28 | javispedro | it must done of those fancy algorithms with bounding boxes |
| 23:45.32 | javispedro | *must do |
| 23:46.01 | lcuk | might have to have a look |
| 23:46.42 | alterego | Yeah, qgv is serious voodoo |
| 23:46.43 | lcuk | writing on n950 screen isnt as comfortable |
| 23:47.20 | alterego | I feel ashamed, I' using N8 as primary phone and N900 as primary mobile computer. |
| 23:47.30 | lcuk | why ashamed |
| 23:47.32 | alterego | I don't use the N950 as much as I probably should. |
| 23:47.33 | lcuk | n8 is awesome |
| 23:47.33 | javispedro | alterego: don't. now you'll root for the NIT series to be back! |
| 23:48.01 | javispedro | wouldn't use a symbian phone. but a featurephone I'd virtually never use and a NIT? oh yeah! |
| 23:48.12 | javispedro | in fact, come to think of it.. |
| 23:48.19 | javispedro | wheres the tablet mode/phone mode app for the n950!! |
| 23:48.39 | alterego | The harmattan browser is a bit lame for what I expect. No cut & paste in terminal caused me to ditch the N950 as a N900 replacement. |
| 23:49.22 | lcuk | javispedro, how many qgv can be used? |
| 23:49.24 | lcuk | are each heavy |
| 23:49.27 | alterego | And the video playback in the N900 is superior than the N950 at the moment for watching tv/film rips. |
| 23:49.36 | javispedro | lcuk: no idea, but you're supposed to use only one |
| 23:49.36 | lcuk | ie would making a subclass and using it be feasible |
| 23:49.43 | lcuk | that sucks |
| 23:49.45 | javispedro | lcuk: then you can use as many items as necessary |
| 23:49.49 | alterego | lcuk: you should really have one qgv and draw to differen areas. |
| 23:49.51 | javispedro | items can have other items and so on |
| 23:49.51 | alterego | Like mtf |
| 23:50.08 | lcuk | javispedro, sure |
| 23:50.20 | lcuk | but a gallery of several hundred sketches |
| 23:50.34 | lcuk | do I then need to manage the positioning and scrolling |
| 23:50.38 | javispedro | nah |
| 23:50.39 | lcuk | to render in place |
| 23:50.45 | alterego | There was a small period before my columbus qml port work where I was doing plain qgv rendering. |
| 23:50.48 | javispedro | just make it 6000000x6000000 pixels |
| 23:50.48 | alterego | Was fun :) |
| 23:50.50 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:50.55 | lcuk | javispedro, sure |
| 23:50.59 | lcuk | but mouse events |
| 23:51.06 | javispedro | my paper thing was 3000x4000 or something like that |
| 23:51.09 | lcuk | which sketch was clicked on |
| 23:51.15 | lcuk | yes, you had a single page |
| 23:51.17 | alterego | lcuk: child items inhrit their parents coordinate system. |
| 23:51.25 | alterego | It's like qml in that respect. |
| 23:51.28 | javispedro | yeah, it's pretty well thought out. |
| 23:51.41 | javispedro | alterego: afaik qml is like it because qml uses it ;) |
| 23:51.54 | lcuk | alterego, so I can add child elements each with a sketch |
| 23:51.56 | alterego | javispedro: indeed ;) |
| 23:52.03 | alterego | lcuk: yup :) |
| 23:52.03 | lcuk | and still deal with mousing and clicks etc as normal |
| 23:52.07 | lcuk | but render using the parent |
| 23:52.16 | lcuk | sounds complicated |
| 23:52.26 | alterego | yup, even the mouse/pointer handling is easy and intuitive/flexible. |
| 23:52.26 | lcuk | couldnt know how to start that |
| 23:52.39 | lcuk | i should find way to get some contracted help :) |
| 23:52.46 | alterego | lcuk: try doing something simple with qgv :) |
| 23:52.48 | javispedro | the problem I think is with dynamic data |
| 23:53.00 | javispedro | if you want to show something static (a wall of sketches for ex.) it is easy |
| 23:53.19 | javispedro | you should think of the view as the "viewport" and the scene as the entire wall, with each item being a sketch, that contains paths/segments as other items, etc. |
| 23:53.20 | alterego | javispedro: you can push redraw/damage events |
| 23:53.26 | lcuk | javispedro, calendar gets updated via asynchronous syncronisation |
| 23:53.38 | alterego | javispedro: on a per qgv item basis |
| 23:54.04 | lcuk | infact all the grids do |
| 23:54.05 | javispedro | alterego: yes, but while it is easy to build a qgv model from data, it might be hard to update it without recreating, depending on how your data is |
| 23:54.10 | lcuk | cal/journal/tasks :) |
| 23:54.45 | lcuk | javispedro, did you see the tasks/todo ui? |
| 23:55.22 | javispedro | I kinda remember so :) |
| 23:56.08 | lcuk | alterego, did you read the t&c of that nokia thing couple of days ago? |
| 23:56.43 | alterego | lcuk: not sure what you're refering to. |
| 23:56.58 | javispedro | raises hears |
| 23:57.13 | alterego | javispedro: have you checked you fmrx profile using the system monitor app on the N950 |
| 23:57.24 | alterego | It does monitor battry consumption I think. |
| 23:57.31 | javispedro | "fmrx profile" "system monitor app"? |
| 23:57.31 | lcuk | alterego, nokia sent mail out to #n950club |
| 23:57.34 | javispedro | aa |
| 23:57.37 | alterego | (wrt to one of the follow up posts) |
| 23:57.49 | alterego | lcuk: must have missed it, got a link? |
| 23:57.50 | javispedro | alterego: it won't be great, exactly same problem as n900 radio has |
| 23:57.59 | lcuk | if you missed it, no |
| 23:57.59 | javispedro | alterego: there will be a thread copying audio data |
| 23:58.05 | lcuk | it says i am not allowed :P |
| 23:58.13 | alterego | Hah |
| 23:58.23 | javispedro | lcuk: ah, so that mail is legit? |
| 23:58.34 | alterego | it was an email? |
| 23:58.38 | lcuk | well ronan confirmed it |
| 23:58.49 | javispedro | ah well |
| 23:58.54 | alterego | I never got an email ... |
| 23:59.05 | alterego | does that mean I'm exempt? |
| 23:59.17 | lcuk | heh |
