| 01:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | http://twitter.com/#!/joooe/status/110641702238294016 5.5 days of use on the MetaWatch. |
| 01:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/06/how-to-turn-a-spare-lcd-panel-into-a-working-monitor-for-33/ |
| 01:55.30 | GeneralAntilles | I want an iPhone 4 display for my keyboard. |
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| 06:38.56 | artemm | Looks like Sep 15 +- a day is going to be N9 sales start - http://t.co/sWsbsjR |
| 06:39.00 | artemm | in Finland |
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| 06:58.09 | dm8tbr | yeh, first public touch and all that |
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| 08:29.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:33.44 | lardman | morning Jaffa and everyone else |
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| 08:41.29 | faenil | Good morning everyooone :D |
| 08:41.53 | lcuk | morning \o |
| 08:42.41 | Venemo | hey :) |
| 08:43.09 | faenil | so any news since 3 days ago? |
| 08:43.31 | djszapi | faenil: everybody got a new software, but no more left :) |
| 08:43.35 | faenil | I had uni exams on 5th and 6th so I've been away :) |
| 08:43.47 | faenil | djszapi: aahahhah |
| 08:44.03 | faenil | djszapi: u joking, right? lol |
| 08:44.41 | faenil | javispedro: I am ready to test out the radio thing :) |
| 08:45.02 | faenil | I have read the forum post, but I'll wait for you if you need anything to be done |
| 08:45.23 | djszapi | faenil: he is not here ? |
| 08:45.57 | faenil | lol, did not even check, he's always here :D |
| 08:46.34 | faenil | well, I'm going to fix my bicycle then :) cya later :) |
| 08:50.25 | hiemanshu | djszapi: we are out of new software? BS, they haven't even started with new software :P |
| 08:51.23 | Venemo | djszapi is particularly jokey about new sw, especially when I'm also on this channel :P |
| 08:53.35 | flux | venemo, so it could be said.. you're djszapi's muse? |
| 08:54.23 | Venemo | flux, I think he got mad because I said about a thousand times on this channel: |
| 08:54.28 | Venemo | wants new software for N950 |
| 08:54.30 | Venemo | :P |
| 08:54.49 | djszapi | "C++0x will introduce the keyword constexpr, which allows the user to guarantee that a function or object constructor is a compile-time constant." -> mmm, this is good. |
| 08:55.15 | Venemo | lamdas are better |
| 08:58.54 | flux | djszapi, unfortunately the functions allows are quite limited. iirc recursion is prohibited ;). |
| 08:59.25 | flux | (s/allows/allowed/) |
| 08:59.47 | djszapi | flux: I have never really seen a need for that, just that what it actually solves. |
| 09:00.18 | flux | djszapi, it would limit evaluating actual algorithms involving looping during compile time |
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| 09:00.43 | flux | ..of course, you can still use template magic for many things |
| 09:00.58 | djszapi | also, there is nothing written like that on the wikipage. |
| 09:01.58 | djszapi | not that I could put any rationale behind that claim. |
| 09:02.45 | flux | indeed it doesn't seem to mention lack of recursion, but I'm still pretty sure that limitation has been mentioned elsewhere |
| 09:03.47 | flux | I guess harmattan platform won't see constexpr for a while, though?-) |
| 09:03.49 | djszapi | also, templates were also improved a lot, for instance the external template anyways. |
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| 10:30.51 | kkito | hello |
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| 11:04.31 | kkito | Do you know if flash plugin from n900 is working in firefox for the n950? |
| 11:05.08 | djszapi | kkito no need for that, there is flash supported on newer images. |
| 11:05.45 | Arkenoi | djszapi, since which version? and does it work with builtin browser too? |
| 11:06.09 | Venemo_N950 | how can I copypaste in harmattan's terminal? |
| 11:06.13 | djszapi | Arkenoi: you mean with grob ? |
| 11:08.13 | Arkenoi | yes |
| 11:09.39 | dm8tbr | http://shootspeak.com/2011/06/29/fennec-gives-nokia-n9-the-ability-to-display-flash-content/ |
| 11:09.46 | Venemo_N950 | also, how can I open a pdf in harmattan? |
| 11:09.56 | djszapi | Venemo_N950 simple, "Documents". |
| 11:10.45 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, but it doesn't appear |
| 11:11.12 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I wgeted it into MyDocs/Documents |
| 11:11.44 | dm8tbr | might need a rerun of tracker? |
| 11:11.45 | djszapi | "does not appear" is poor answer, isn't it ? :) |
| 11:11.53 | djszapi | dm8tbr: should not |
| 11:12.17 | Venemo_N950 | well, I can't see the pdf in the Documents app |
| 11:12.18 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: if a graphical app does not work, it is always a good practice to run it from cli |
| 11:19.34 | Hq` | I think the tracker only runs when the device has been idle for some time, so try to wait for a while... |
| 11:19.35 | trx | any suggestions on how i can dynamically populate a Menu component with items? |
| 11:19.56 | kkito | djszapi: flash supported on harmattan newer images? |
| 11:20.04 | kkito | by the default webkit browser? |
| 11:21.01 | djszapi | kkito: please read the aforementioned link. |
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| 11:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if it's already known: devel-su - user; ln -fs /usr/share/applications/meego-terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/quicklaunchbar3.desktop; # change quicklauncher (4 icons) nr.4 search to terminal |
| 11:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | takes effect instantly |
| 11:26.19 | RST38h | Doc: Do you by any chance know an easy method to find out what is holding given package back from upgrading? |
| 11:26.30 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, problem solved, and it was my fault |
| 11:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. no reboot or anything needed |
| 11:27.11 | RST38h | WHAT quicklaunchbar? I do not see any =) |
| 11:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 11:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry about "holding back" - nfc |
| 11:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | re "quicklaunchbar" - you're kidding, are you? |
| 11:29.47 | RST38h | not kidding. what is it? |
| 11:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | the 4-icon thingie showing up when you slide up a little and hold e.g the lockscreen |
| 11:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | or contacts screen |
| 11:31.41 | RST38h | Ah really... |
| 11:31.47 | RST38h | never got that |
| 11:32.06 | RST38h | only using n950 for development so far |
| 11:32.06 | matrixx | hidden secret |
| 11:32.46 | jreznik | it's very well hidden :) I know it only from presentations and took some time to realize that it works only when some app is on |
| 11:33.04 | leinir | quicklauncher's kinda nice :) |
| 11:34.37 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that is known. :) |
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| 11:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: ooh, so why didn't I find about it when searching FMC? |
| 11:35.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I shouldn't start another thread about it? |
| 11:37.19 | djszapi | not sure what you mean. |
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| 11:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | nm, posted it to FMC anyway |
| 11:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha wiki.meego.com search doesn't allow me to enter any searchtext |
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| 11:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | obviously another case of "this site been optimized for firefox" |
| 11:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | sorry meego, I'm still not going to change to *your* favourite browser, so your site becomes usable |
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| 11:59.08 | Arkenoi | RST38h, iirc almostTI did keep state on fremantle? |
| 12:06.18 | RST38h | Arkenoi: yes it did |
| 12:07.01 | Arkenoi | on harmattan it does not |
| 12:09.15 | Arkenoi | wow, and multiple instances are being open |
| 12:09.17 | RST38h | Arkenoi: probably some aegis-related crap not letting it write into ~/.ati85 |
| 12:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: or maybe it writes there on exit? |
| 12:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | (like xchat) |
| 12:11.24 | RST38h | Doc: And why is that bad? |
| 12:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | (for xchat it's a known effect you should stop the program after doing any config changes you want to stay) |
| 12:11.57 | hiemanshu | RST38h: if it closes due to an error, you loose all settings |
| 12:12.02 | RST38h | Doc: In AlmostTI, press [2nd] [OFF] |
| 12:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 12:12.15 | hiemanshu | or if you kill -9 or ^C |
| 12:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | where "error" is a normal shitdown as well |
| 12:12.21 | RST38h | Doc: or press top right corner, either will exit the app |
| 12:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | shutdown LOL |
| 12:12.48 | RST38h | Doc,Arkenoi: I am more interested if AlmostTI works without Net connectivity |
| 12:13.03 | RST38h | Because the Nokia guy says it crashes when parsing .qml file |
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| 12:17.40 | djszapi | is there any way on forum.meego.com to get notification if my post got replied ? |
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| 12:34.25 | ajalkane | djszapi: you can get notifications for new replies on the topic. |
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| 12:40.57 | djszapi | ajalkane: how ? |
| 12:44.48 | ajalkane | djszapi: Thread tools -> Subscribe to this thread |
| 12:46.36 | djszapi | ajalkane: that will report only if I got a reply, and not all the posts in a long thread ? |
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| 12:50.22 | ajalkane | all posts in the topic. These forum softwares are poor at knowing its a reply to specific message (quick reply etc user related probs) |
| 12:50.38 | djszapi | too bad :( |
| 13:07.39 | MohammadAG | The N950 warns you when storage is low, when you're recording a vid, that's a nice touch |
| 13:07.56 | MohammadAG | "10 minutes of video recording left, too low on storage" or something |
| 13:08.07 | MohammadAG | On battery low, it stops recording, that's bad, imo |
| 13:17.52 | macmaN | ehhh, thats weak |
| 13:18.16 | macmaN | real coders wouldve triggered aegis self destruct instead of a simple warning |
| 13:18.30 | macmaN | stop recording NOW... or ELSE |
| 13:18.52 | macmaN | wants new N950 firmware |
| 13:19.04 | macmaN | or how was it the saying goes here |
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| 15:17.09 | fiferboy | mgedmin, ping? |
| 15:20.40 | djszapiN9 | hi fiferboy |
| 15:21.08 | fiferboy | djszapi, hi |
| 15:34.31 | fiferboy | djszapiN9, aegis defeated my phone the other day |
| 15:35.01 | fiferboy | And I didn't realize the one click flasher formats the user storage by default :( |
| 15:36.30 | djszapi | fiferboy: what do you mean by "defeated" ? |
| 15:37.22 | RST38h | fiferboy: bricked? |
| 15:37.30 | fiferboy | I was poking at meego-im-uiserver and got the "device is malfunctioning" screen |
| 15:39.01 | djszapi | fiferboy: I do not see anything related to "aegis defeated" yet. Could you please ellaborate why you said "aegis defeated" ? |
| 15:39.39 | djszapi | (malfunctioning is system-software/service matter how they handle things) |
| 15:39.45 | fiferboy | Is it no aegis that gives you the malfunctioning screen? |
| 15:39.45 | RST38h | BTW, what prevents one from building a new kernel that has aegis disabled? |
| 15:39.54 | RST38h | some kind of a flash lock? |
| 15:40.14 | djszapi | why are you asking the same questions every single day after getting the answers all the time ? |
| 15:40.46 | fiferboy | djszapi, I was under the impression that aegis controlled the malfunction screen |
| 15:40.54 | djszapi | fiferboy: nope, that is system-service/software |
| 15:41.08 | fiferboy | djszapi, ah, I stand corrected |
| 15:41.14 | djszapi | fiferboy: I can even do that with a simple echo |
| 15:41.44 | djszapi | or just running one binary. |
| 15:42.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: bug in bootloader |
| 15:43.04 | fiferboy | djszapi, Ok then I'm made at the system-service/software :) |
| 15:43.38 | fiferboy | *mad |
| 15:44.14 | RST38h | Stskeeps:Fixable? |
| 15:44.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, once you get fw upgrade |
| 15:44.23 | djszapiN9 | well, you cannot be mad without proving that there is a bug somewhere because of foobar |
| 15:44.35 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Uff...good |
| 15:44.53 | fiferboy | djszapiN9, no I'm mad that I did something stupid |
| 15:44.55 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I cannot see how this shit can continue for long, frankly =( |
| 15:45.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: screw aegis(TM) |
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| 15:45.12 | fiferboy | And ended up losing all my photos |
| 15:45.34 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Well, compiling it out is certainly more useful than endlessly bitching about it =( |
| 15:45.48 | djszapiN9 | RST38h, please return your gadget and give it to those people who would die for one |
| 15:46.04 | RST38h | djszapiN9: Thank you for your data input. |
| 15:46.07 | djszapiN9 | and who could behave |
| 15:46.20 | kimju | I'd left it in the kernel, just allow disabling the enforcing mode. |
| 15:46.35 | RST38h | yep |
| 15:46.56 | RST38h | Somebody said that completely cutting it out is impossible, but disabling should work |
| 15:47.16 | Stskeeps | agreed, allow disabling enforcing should do the trick |
| 15:47.34 | djszapiN9 | actually more people said gazillion times |
| 15:48.20 | RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, a guy from Nokia said that QtQuick .qml parser goes to Internet (!) when parsing a .qml file and crashes if Internet is out |
| 15:48.42 | RST38h | Stskeeps: The only reason I can thinkabout is for getting a schema, but it is stil very weird |
| 15:48.48 | w00t | uh? no |
| 15:48.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: schema for qml is insane, it's not xml |
| 15:49.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i've just run qt components on a net-less device :P |
| 15:49.16 | w00t | it can access resources (qml, images, whatever) located over a network, but it doesn't *need* an internet connection, and doesn't access it by any sort of default |
| 15:49.18 | Stskeeps | so i doubt it's true |
| 15:49.32 | RST38h | Stskeeps: the guy may have some internal firmware for all I know |
| 15:49.40 | djszapiN9 | plain false |
| 15:49.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: please give his name so he can be locked in a sauna |
| 15:49.43 | RST38h | Stskeeps: But it certainly sounds disturbing |
| 15:50.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i can't recognise that, at least |
| 15:50.44 | RST38h | Heh, just tried myself with Net off - it crashes indeed |
| 15:51.24 | RST38h | No,wrong. It's ok, my mistake |
| 15:52.15 | djszapiN9 | yeah qt cpp code is also parsed over the network:D:d |
| 15:52.35 | RST38h | Ok. Disabling Wifi. Running app. App runs. |
| 15:53.11 | RST38h | Now, causing the app to open a QML stack. |
| 15:53.25 | RST38h | It starts bringing up WiFi, then dies. |
| 15:53.59 | rm_work | gah why do i suck so bad at cron |
| 15:54.03 | RST38h | Starting app with WiFi up, doing the same ting |
| 15:54.10 | rm_work | someone here a cron wizard (or at least know how to use it decently)? |
| 15:54.15 | Stskeeps | was this your weird MTF-QML-widgets mix? |
| 15:54.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:54.28 | RST38h | The appshows QMLstack just fine. |
| 15:54.31 | RST38h | Stskeeps:Nope |
| 15:54.40 | artemm | rm_work, there's cron.daily/hourly where you can put your scripts for cron |
| 15:54.59 | rm_work | artemm: ah i am using crontab -e |
| 15:54.59 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Not using MTF. And the QWidget->QML transition is completely standard, just as the doctor ordered |
| 15:55.10 | rm_work | where is that |
| 15:55.21 | RST38h | Stekeeps: So, WTF does QML want from the network??? |
| 15:55.24 | rm_work | and does it work on only super recent versions of specific cron daemons?\ |
| 15:55.27 | artemm | rm_work, the other day somebody told me there's no crontab in harmattan |
| 15:55.32 | Stskeeps | RST38h: dunno, not sure about harmattan impl |
| 15:55.42 | w00t | facebook app works fine without network, and it's QML, so... dunno what you're managing to do |
| 15:56.08 | RST38h | Weird, weird shit |
| 15:56.24 | Stskeeps | valgrind the stuff? |
| 15:56.35 | w00t | my own QML app also works fine without network |
| 15:56.36 | rm_work | artemm: ah i just mean, i general, not necessarily on Maemo |
| 15:56.37 | RST38h | Won'tfind network accesses |
| 15:56.41 | RST38h | You probably mean trace |
| 15:56.46 | w00t | so again, not sure what you're doing :P |
| 15:56.50 | rm_work | s/i gen/in gen/ |
| 15:57.20 | w00t | how does it terminate? |
| 15:57.28 | w00t | regular exit, or abnormal |
| 15:57.30 | RST38h | with a crash I think |
| 15:57.45 | w00t | got a backtrace? |
| 15:57.46 | RST38h | w00t:try starting with network disabled |
| 15:57.50 | w00t | RST38h: I did |
| 15:57.50 | RST38h | Not yet |
| 15:57.56 | w00t | I have no network |
| 15:58.20 | w00t | has to go, bbl |
| 15:58.52 | djszapi | mmm...my n9 does not boot without network :) |
| 15:59.40 | RST38h | applies proctological analysis |
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| 16:09.02 | ajalkane | fiferboy: any idea if your qml theming patch is getting green light? |
| 16:11.15 | fiferboy | ajalkane, I haven't seen any progress on the merge request or bug report :( |
| 16:11.39 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Ok, got it to segfault. Any idea how to make Harmattan drop cores? |
| 16:11.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no |
| 16:11.58 | Stskeeps | doesn't know much about harmattan beyond deep levels |
| 16:12.19 | ajalkane | Well... hope for best for it to get into some future update |
| 16:12.49 | fiferboy | Yeah, it seems to take a long time for anything to get into the mainline |
| 16:13.01 | fiferboy | Probably a lot of review and testing |
| 16:13.40 | RST38h | I now know for sure that it crashes in QML parser when the network is offline |
| 16:13.49 | ajalkane | Yeah, Nokia moves carefully. Understandable. |
| 16:13.50 | RST38h | Just need to get it to dump core =) |
| 16:15.31 | RST38h | Ok, got stack trace |
| 16:16.28 | RST38h | It went into an endless recursion inside libQtDeclarative.so.4 and died there |
| 16:16.32 | RST38h | gdb says corrupt stack |
| 16:17.07 | RST38h | So, who here has been screaming about Qt NEveR EVER going to the Net when parsing QML? :) |
| 16:17.29 | artemm | that' funny |
| 16:17.43 | artemm | not all the qt enabled device are going to be net-enabled |
| 16:17.46 | artemm | e.g. car kits |
| 16:17.56 | RST38h | it is probably some bug they have got |
| 16:18.10 | RST38h | I have also got an strace of the whole thing |
| 16:18.14 | artemm | oh, well, you can certainly make such a qml that will go to net |
| 16:18.23 | RST38h | But I have not |
| 16:18.24 | artemm | if you put image source to http |
| 16:18.33 | artemm | or if your JS file is on the web |
| 16:18.36 | RST38h | no images on http, in fact all images are stock |
| 16:18.50 | artemm | so it's your own qml with just local stuff |
| 16:18.56 | RST38h | correct |
| 16:18.58 | artemm | indeed, it shouldn't go to web :/ |
| 16:19.14 | artemm | and you don't use webview, do you? |
| 16:19.18 | RST38h | No. |
| 16:19.21 | artemm | sounds like a bug to me |
| 16:19.40 | RST38h | BTW, some troll is doing gettimeofday() all the time. Nobody told them it is not a good idea? |
| 16:19.41 | artemm | so u have crashes on desktop? |
| 16:19.45 | RST38h | yes. |
| 16:19.56 | artemm | is your network a corporate one? |
| 16:20.00 | RST38h | no. |
| 16:20.10 | artemm | what about proxy rules |
| 16:20.18 | artemm | any autoconfiguration there |
| 16:20.19 | artemm | ? |
| 16:20.26 | RST38h | sighs at artemm: why do you need to know all this? |
| 16:20.33 | RST38h | Are you gonna fix QtDeclarative.so? |
| 16:21.00 | artemm | Got a small idea that maybe even though you are accessing local file it still tries to resolve proxy rules and if proxy rules are on the net.. |
| 16:21.15 | RST38h | No,it does not |
| 16:21.15 | artemm | RST38h, nope, but everybody can file a bug |
| 16:21.21 | artemm | as long as the reason is clear |
| 16:21.35 | RST38h | they will not fix it though |
| 16:21.42 | artemm | oh well, I don't have further ideas despite being interested |
| 16:21.50 | RST38h | at least not if you file it via publicly available channels |
| 16:24.24 | djszapiN9 | artemm the problem is that nobody can reproduce it |
| 16:24.45 | artemm | it's a pity |
| 16:25.27 | artemm | though Qt guys are into not releasing shit and I'd expect extra attention to that serious issue even if it's rare |
| 16:25.36 | RST38h | I am sure you can reproduce it |
| 16:25.41 | RST38h | Anyone needs a QML file? |
| 16:26.51 | RST38h | http://fms.komkon.org/Config.qml <== Enjoy! |
| 16:27.51 | djszapiN9 | artemm this guy told that qml parsing happens over ethernet, it is plain false |
| 16:28.09 | RST38h | This is not what I have said though |
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| 16:28.33 | RST38h | I have said that QML parser for some reason requires network connection and crashes on .qml file parse when connection is off |
| 16:28.47 | RST38h | I have also given you the .qml file in question. |
| 16:29.00 | RST38h | So, why are you continue bitching, djszapiN9? |
| 16:29.00 | Venemo_N950 | RST38h, if that is true, then it's ridiculous |
| 16:29.02 | artemm | hey, you've got a single qml for reproduction, submit a bug then |
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| 16:29.16 | RST38h | artemm: Thanks for advice. |
| 16:29.35 | thansen | is this a place where I can ask about this stuff... http://api.maps.ovi.com/devguide/overview.html |
| 16:29.38 | artemm | It was intended to be more of a cheer up than an advice |
| 16:29.56 | RST38h | Do not need cheering up, thanks. |
| 16:30.12 | artemm | Even if QML parser needed internet (which I find hard to believe) it must not crash in such a normal situation for a mobile phone as no connection |
| 16:30.32 | Venemo_N950 | agreed |
| 16:31.05 | RST38h | has no idea wtf that parser is doing |
| 16:31.27 | RST38h | But gdb indicates that it either goes into infinite recursion in libQtDeclarative or corrupts stack there |
| 16:31.46 | Venemo_N950 | RST38h, have you found this on an N950? |
| 16:31.56 | RST38h | Yes. |
| 16:32.11 | RST38h | Venemo: In fact, download .qml file from the URL above and try for yourself |
| 16:32.17 | Venemo_N950 | well, my QML app runs happily without any connection |
| 16:32.21 | kkito | Do you know how to create a qml listview like the "contacts" listview? |
| 16:32.30 | RST38h | Might bit some component |
| 16:32.33 | RST38h | s/bit/be |
| 16:32.52 | RST38h | One of these: |
| 16:32.53 | RST38h | import QtQuick 1.1 |
| 16:32.53 | RST38h | import Qt.labs.components 1.0 |
| 16:32.53 | RST38h | import Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 1.0 |
| 16:32.53 | RST38h | import com.nokia.meego 1.0 |
| 16:33.37 | tomma_ | ListView + your delegate |
| 16:34.18 | evilJazz | RST38h, if you start to disable unnecessary parts in your code, does it still happen? |
| 16:34.47 | djszapi | I do not care about QML file, I care about steps to reproduce. |
| 16:35.02 | djszapi | QML file is just one of them. I will not investigate more than trying the steps out. |
| 16:35.09 | evilJazz | just wondering, tried my rather big app in Flight mode on the device and it is starting just fine, however I am not using Qt.labs.components and Qt.labs.folderlistmodel |
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| 16:35.26 | RST38h | eviljazz: All parts in my code are necessary |
| 16:35.52 | RST38h | djszapi: Have I asked you to investigate? |
| 16:36.08 | djszapi | your issue is invalid until it cannot be reproduced. |
| 16:36.17 | evilJazz | RST38h, well, just to pinpoint the issue. Perhaps starting with the settings, trimming down the delegate etc. |
| 16:36.26 | RST38h | sighs again: your own coworker from Nokia reported the damn issue to me |
| 16:36.30 | djszapi | it can* |
| 16:36.56 | RST38h | But ok, lemme humor you |
| 16:37.06 | RST38h | 1. Download http://fms.komkon.org/EmuMeego/ati85_1.5.1-1_armel.deb |
| 16:37.12 | RST38h | 2. Install with dpkg |
| 16:37.25 | RST38h | 3. Run AlmostTI by clicking on the icon |
| 16:37.30 | djszapi | sorry, but after your tone, I do not even care about it. |
| 16:37.35 | RST38h | 4. Pull down the control panel and disable WiFi |
| 16:37.47 | RST38h | 5. Click on the top left corner of AlmostTi and select TI83 |
| 16:37.52 | RST38h | 6. Watch it crash |
| 16:38.25 | RST38h | If you do not care about it, then why do you continue bitching about me reporting this problem? |
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| 16:39.01 | evilJazz | RST38h, I had big trouble with the Flickable and nested ListViews. Figured out, it was not my code at all, but changes in 4.7.4. I was able to reduce my code to a small test case, which I filed a bug report with on Sunday. Martin Jones already fixed the issue yesterday. Pretty cool. Hope to see the fix in one of the updates. |
| 16:39.04 | RST38h | To run it under gdb, run as follows: |
| 16:39.09 | RST38h | gdb /opt/ati85/ati85 |
| 16:39.16 | RST38h | set args -home /opt/ati85 |
| 16:39.17 | RST38h | run |
| 16:39.27 | RST38h | (same steps in the UI, see it crash) |
| 16:39.36 | evilJazz | RST38h, will try in about 15 mins, gotta eat first |
| 16:40.19 | RST38h | Btw, if anyone has -dev version of QtDeclarative installed on their device, please, do run the above gdb test case and see what 'bt' says |
| 16:40.37 | djszapi | bt is useless compared to valgrind |
| 16:42.14 | djszapi | it actually crashes for me with and without internet |
| 16:42.30 | djszapi | as for me, it is still invalid. |
| 16:42.55 | djszapi | it is completely network independent here. |
| 16:43.10 | RST38h | works fine with wifi up here |
| 16:43.35 | RST38h | also works for other people with N950s |
| 16:43.56 | djszapi | also, you can use gdb --args ... btw |
| 16:45.05 | djszapi | I cannot run it from gdb, nothing happens. |
| 16:45.17 | djszapi | except this: Starting program: /opt/ati85/ati85 -home /opt/ati85 |
| 16:45.17 | djszapi | [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] |
| 16:45.27 | djszapi | no ui opened at all.. |
| 16:45.45 | RST38h | run as a user. |
| 16:45.56 | RST38h | don't run as root if you have aegis enabled |
| 16:45.57 | djszapi | running as user again did not help |
| 16:46.19 | RST38h | ok. run /usr/bin/run-ati85 from command line as a user, see what happens |
| 16:46.45 | djszapi | sorry, but please try to provide steps that it can be reproduced with. |
| 16:47.33 | RST38h | See above. |
| 16:47.41 | djszapi | I cannot reproduce it that way. |
| 16:47.49 | RST38h | Sorry. |
| 16:49.35 | djszapi | ahh wait |
| 16:49.41 | djszapi | I tried mobile internet |
| 16:50.19 | djszapi | not wifi. |
| 16:50.36 | djszapi | (that was the default connection here) |
| 16:51.13 | djszapi | ok, same with wi-fi as well |
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| 16:54.02 | RST38h | "research in high performance computing with Ruby"... mhm |
| 16:54.28 | djszapi | yes, because that is the slowest script language. |
| 16:54.30 | djszapi | at least one of them |
| 16:56.48 | djszapi | RST38h: at any rate, please me know the outcome of this issue whenever it happens, please. |
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| 17:10.37 | evilJazz | RST38h, I can reproduce the problem here in Flight Mode. Once I switch to TI83, it asks whether to enable Wifi, I click "No" and I see a black screen. The app doesn't actually crash. Once I try to close it via the task switcher screen the default TI85 display returns again. |
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| 17:17.37 | npm | i was looking at output of '/opt/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad list' and saw "rx71-harmattan-1122 (installable)" --> what is this? |
| 17:17.59 | npm | oh nevermind it's the simulator i didn't install, right? |
| 17:19.26 | npm | is there any reason to have both "harmattan-nokia-meego-api (installed)" and "harmattan-platform-api (installed)" ? |
| 17:27.13 | tomma_ | npm, nokia-meego-api does not have all things platform-api has |
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| 17:27.31 | tomma_ | well atleast old versions didn't |
| 17:29.48 | tomma_ | CONFIG+=shareuiinterface-maemo-meegotouch didn't work with harmattan-nokia-meego-api |
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| 17:31.28 | RST38h | Ok. I have run ines (for simplicity) with and without network and dumped two straces |
| 17:31.33 | RST38h | let us see what diff says |
| 17:35.26 | npm | tomma_: so the nokia-meego-api target is just there for API compat w/ meego and n9/n950 devs should just use harmattan-platform-api |
| 17:36.28 | npm | so people wanting to save space or not have extra targts that need to be manually switched in qtcreator can just skip installing nokia-meego-api right? |
| 17:44.03 | RST38h | Hmmm, without WiFi it tries opening the same .qml file twice |
| 17:44.09 | RST38h | and coredumps on the second open |
| 17:48.25 | RST38h | ah, I think I have found it. Weird, weird crap |
| 17:48.46 | frals | smashes head against QtSDK |
| 17:48.58 | frals | so the brilliant simulator works, but fuck me if it would include qt-components |
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| 18:16.30 | artemm | If a harmattan app needs to download some files from internet and keep it for its own purposes, what would be the sane location for it? |
| 18:19.02 | berndhs | artemm: xdg data location ? |
| 18:19.21 | artemm | I am just not very familiar with default locations for anything in unix |
| 18:19.33 | artemm | app is to download a picture from the web |
| 18:19.58 | artemm | later I'll probably manipulate it and replace one wallpaper with it |
| 18:20.11 | berndhs | normal place is ${HOME}.local/share/ |
| 18:20.25 | berndhs | that's what you get when you ask Qt for the data location |
| 18:20.40 | berndhs | and it is set in ${HOME}/.profile |
| 18:21.16 | berndhs | so if you ask Qt, you don't have to know if you're on linux or something else |
| 18:21.32 | artemm | should there be subfolder with application's name? |
| 18:21.37 | artemm | or something like this |
| 18:21.44 | artemm | not to mess with the other app files |
| 18:21.47 | berndhs | yes |
| 18:22.11 | berndhs | application name, or if the applications are in groups, Qt usues organization name |
| 18:22.19 | berndhs | like Nokia, TrollTech,... |
| 18:22.29 | artemm | aha, thanks |
| 18:22.32 | berndhs | having said all that |
| 18:22.54 | berndhs | Harmattan specifies the data location as .local/share |
| 18:23.04 | berndhs | and also says you should put data in MyDocs |
| 18:23.13 | berndhs | this is bug 387 :) |
| 18:23.16 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=387 maj, High, ---, martin.xu, VERI FIXED, Enable/disable WIFI device may cause ConnMan crash if a WIFI group hidden network is connected |
| 18:23.24 | berndhs | no not meego bug |
| 18:23.30 | berndhs | harmattan API bug |
| 18:23.36 | artemm | oh |
| 18:23.47 | berndhs | the bot is confused :) |
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| 18:24.18 | artemm | so I should ignore qt's data location and just put to ~/.local/share/myAppName ? |
| 18:24.40 | artemm | sorry, got confused |
| 18:25.08 | berndhs | at the moment, Qt says ~/.local/share/myAppName |
| 18:25.27 | artemm | oh, that sounds right |
| 18:25.29 | berndhs | which is the standard way of xdg |
| 18:25.56 | berndhs | but harmattan gives 2 mutually exclusive answers |
| 18:26.18 | berndhs | its not you who is confused :) |
| 18:26.51 | artemm | well, that sounds good enough, I am not going to store gigabates of data. If the location given by Qt is along at least some *nix convention, it should be good enough |
| 18:27.13 | artemm | by asking qt for data location, do you mean using QSettings with some proper key? |
| 18:27.14 | berndhs | sounds reasonable to me |
| 18:27.35 | berndhs | it not settings, its something else |
| 18:28.09 | berndhs | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.8-snapshot/qdesktopservices.html#storageLocation |
| 18:28.12 | berndhs | that one I think |
| 18:28.28 | berndhs | and also ~/.profile |
| 18:28.48 | artemm | reading |
| 18:29.19 | artemm | I guess using QDesktopServices is more sane than reading environment variables |
| 18:29.29 | berndhs | i think so |
| 18:29.32 | artemm | and hell knows under which shell app is started |
| 18:29.39 | berndhs | right |
| 18:29.39 | artemm | so .profile may not be executed |
| 18:30.00 | berndhs | QDesktopService is more portable |
| 18:30.21 | artemm | Thanks a lot, QDesktopServices::DataLocation looks like what I need |
| 18:31.04 | RST38h | PROBLEM SOLVED |
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| 18:39.42 | artemm | looks at the file download example and wonders whether its simpler to ask system to download file via wget or something similar |
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| 19:28.44 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.09 | npm | isn't that a standard loc, or is that inappropriate for DLing files? |
| 19:29.55 | npm | in other words can't ones app put all files in ~/.config/<appname> instead of having ~/.local/share/<appname> AND ~/.config/<appname> |
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| 19:31.05 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 19:31.14 | MohammadAG | I need Windows under Linux or Linux under Windows |
| 19:31.38 | frals | virtualbox and seamless mode <3 |
| 19:36.11 | npm | MohammadAG: I had to use windows under qemu to submit an application to intel appup http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/uploading-to-appup-running-windows-IE-and-silverlight-under-qemu.png |
| 19:36.17 | artemm | npm: config sounds like place for settings, etc |
| 19:36.30 | MohammadAG | frals, when you have a big ass HDD |
| 19:36.34 | artemm | and then anyway if i can ask Qt for the data location, probably it's the best |
| 19:36.34 | MohammadAG | I already filled my 500GBs |
| 19:36.48 | MohammadAG | I know! I need a mac! |
| 19:36.48 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 19:36.56 | MohammadAG | artemm, what are you storing? |
| 19:37.17 | artemm | image |
| 19:37.24 | artemm | I am going to replace wallpaper on schedule |
| 19:37.24 | MohammadAG | temporary? |
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| 19:37.30 | MohammadAG | oh nvm |
| 19:37.38 | artemm | need some place for file storage |
| 19:37.41 | MohammadAG | if it's temporary use CacheLocation |
| 19:37.45 | artemm | not sure how temporary it is |
| 19:37.57 | artemm | I may need to keep them for a day or a week |
| 19:37.59 | MohammadAG | yeah, use DataLocation for your purpose |
| 19:38.01 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.04 | artemm | If I figure I want history |
| 19:38.13 | MohammadAG | it's actually just /home/$user/.cache |
| 19:38.29 | artemm | well, I'll start with what Qt gives |
| 19:38.32 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure where data location is |
| 19:38.37 | MohammadAG | artemm, just a tip |
| 19:38.44 | MohammadAG | I noticed this after hours of trying |
| 19:38.53 | MohammadAG | QDesktopServices returns a string |
| 19:38.59 | MohammadAG | the directory won't exisst |
| 19:39.04 | artemm | oh |
| 19:39.06 | artemm | thanks |
| 19:39.10 | artemm | will keep in mind |
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| 19:39.13 | artemm | got to leave now |
| 19:39.17 | npm | and qtcreator stores files in .config too /home/npm/.config/Nokia/qtcreator/generic-highlighter |
| 19:39.26 | MohammadAG | QString dir = QDesktopServices::storageLocation(QDesktopServices::DataLocation); |
| 19:39.39 | MohammadAG | QDir dirObject = QDir(dir); |
| 19:39.45 | npm | so i'm not going to change my code to stick stuff in .local/share/<appname> :-) |
| 19:39.48 | MohammadAG | if (!dirObject.exists()) |
| 19:39.56 | MohammadAG | dirObject.mkpath(dir); |
| 19:40.07 | artemm | got it |
| 19:40.17 | MohammadAG | npm, .config is used by QSettings |
| 19:40.17 | artemm | will use .config if data location is bad |
| 19:40.31 | MohammadAG | no, that's for QSettings :P |
| 19:41.05 | npm | so will an app be in violation if it stores all it's local stuff in ~/.config ?? |
| 19:41.23 | MohammadAG | no, since Gtk apps use that sometimes |
| 19:41.39 | MohammadAG | but .config is naturally for inis, not images |
| 19:41.43 | MohammadAG | it's just wrong |
| 19:41.46 | npm | ok, so i guess i won't worry about it being for qsettings |
| 19:42.03 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if it's backed up |
| 19:42.12 | MohammadAG | if it is, I expect users to have larger backups :p |
| 19:42.19 | npm | i'm not thinking about images as much as say sql database storage related to app |
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| 19:42.57 | MohammadAG | oh, that's fine then |
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| 21:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: fmrx works, somehow :-D |
| 21:12.25 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:12.37 | javispedro | about the RDS parser, remember it's just ten or so lines long :) |
| 21:13.26 | javispedro | plus I failed to understand why here I wasn't getting D blocks when I should, thus the "Oh, a D block" message :) |
| 21:13.46 | javispedro | I now think D blocks are sent out on low signal conditions for $UNKNOWN_REASONS to me. |
| 21:16.13 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 21:16.30 | javispedro | moo |
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| 21:39.43 | MohammadAG | javispedro, that FM Radio app/concept out yet? :P |
| 21:39.55 | javispedro | MohammadAG: the test app is out |
| 21:40.07 | javispedro | MohammadAG: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3902&page=6 |
| 21:40.25 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: FMTX now! :) |
| 21:40.40 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Have you tried it on the RDA n9? |
| 21:40.43 | MohammadAG | right, I'll start on an MTF app soon :p |
| 21:40.50 | javispedro | I will try fmtx just to for the fun |
| 21:40.55 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, do they have an FM Radio on RDA? :P |
| 21:41.04 | javispedro | MohammadAG: read the thread for future developments, we are trying to do it "right" |
| 21:41.09 | SpeedEvil | They have a n9 on RDA |
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| 21:41.21 | SpeedEvil | Presumably the building isn't shielded, so can pick up FM |
| 21:41.36 | SpeedEvil | Or you could turn on the n900 Tx, which is probably in the same room |
| 21:41.37 | javispedro | Can you get _physical_ audio out of RDA? |
| 21:41.49 | SpeedEvil | I don't think so |
| 21:41.59 | SpeedEvil | Well - mic |
| 21:42.09 | javispedro | Mic from a nearby device? =) |
| 21:42.12 | javispedro | hehe |
| 21:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Or even the same one |
| 21:42.20 | javispedro | touché |
| 21:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (low signal -> DBlock) confirmed. It seems they show up when I mess with antenna |
| 21:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | I guess mixer et all is overstrained with getting FMRX->CPU->speakers plus mic->CPU |
| 21:45.20 | javispedro | nah, it would be more stressed during a phone call for ex. |
| 21:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | umm no, a phonecall is using a different McBSP for cmt<->cpu |
| 21:46.16 | javispedro | same here |
| 21:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:46.47 | javispedro | fmrx->cpu is using #3 |
| 21:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok then |
| 21:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | still you'll have fun setting mixer up for this scenario to listen to own speakers via mic |
| 21:51.20 | javispedro | not hard |
| 21:51.28 | javispedro | it's just parec -r | pacat -p :) |
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| 22:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | sure, that's not the problem, but I doubt the mixer settings will be correct OOTB for that |
| 22:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | as we got no friggin (even block-)schematics, I got no clue how the stereo mic is hooked up to the SOC |
| 22:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | if those are digital mics connected to SOC via dedicated buses, I'd not expect too many problems with it. OTOH I expect them to be connected to the mixer chip, and that's what will introduce some fun into the picture |
| 22:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | if the policy for stereo playback gets activated and sets up the mixer for that usecase, then probably mic is shut down per default |
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| 22:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw no parec nor pacat here |
| 22:11.15 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you probably already enabled the analog mixer loopback by accident when playing with alsamixer |
| 22:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, I did |
| 22:11.32 | javispedro | s/analog mixer/analog mic->speaker |
| 22:11.57 | javispedro | it's two controls away virtually |
| 22:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'd guess there are some mux and preamps involved as well |
| 22:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | some gain settings |
| 22:13.06 | javispedro | all the settings are exposed.. |
| 22:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | but you are just guessing what they actually do, as we ... see above |
| 22:13.38 | javispedro | and there's no special initialization for recording from the mic |
| 22:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's actually strange, as usually mic would need some VDD or micbias enabled prior to starting to use it for recording |
| 22:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | also frequently you want to configure the sampling rate, number of channels etc pp |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | let's agree on "it's no real fun to mess with audio mixer when you got *no* docs about the hw lineup you're dealing with" |
| 22:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's like "here, all the screws to adjust your car engine are exposed. I give you a screwdriver and then you go ahead" |
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| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | ooops that's been the tensioning screw for the camshaft belt |
| 22:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
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