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| 06:32.19 | Venemo_N950 | mornin |
| 06:34.00 | Venemo_N950 | anyone alive yet? |
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| 06:36.43 | spenap | I'm rather undead, which is something.. |
| 06:37.12 | dm8tbr | needs to caffeinate a bit more |
| 06:37.24 | Venemo_N950 | heheh |
| 06:37.44 | Venemo_N950 | I've had an "English breakfast tea" from Twinnings |
| 06:38.17 | Venemo_N950 | it has a forgettable taste, but it had my necessary caffeine dose nevertheless |
| 06:40.46 | special | you need proper tea :p |
| 06:41.52 | radiofree | super charge yourself, have a mug of black coffee instead :) |
| 06:42.59 | Venemo_N950 | nope, coffee doesn't do good to me |
| 06:43.36 | Venemo_N950 | special, my favourite is Twinnings's Lady Grey tea |
| 06:43.56 | radiofree | same here, hate the stuff, I just view it as my caffeine delivery mechanism |
| 06:44.09 | special | terrible, both of you :p |
| 06:44.35 | special | real tea doesn't come crushed up in bags and cardboard boxes in your grocery store |
| 06:44.37 | Venemo_N950 | whoever was lady Gray, she must have been a pretty hot woman for having her name on such a good tea. |
| 06:44.59 | special | and real coffee is delicious. |
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| 06:45.36 | Venemo_N950 | special, yeah, well, educate me about tea then |
| 06:45.38 | radiofree | special: Twinnings is on a higher level then the grocery store tea :) |
| 06:45.48 | Venemo_N950 | radiofree, agreed! |
| 06:45.58 | radiofree | It's impractical to make a pot every time you need a cup of tea |
| 06:46.35 | special | I had twinings when I was in the UK |
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| 06:52.06 | special | http://www.adagio.com/teaware/ingenuiTEA_teapot.html I use one of these, and lots of loose-leaf tea from there and other places |
| 06:52.18 | special | and a variable-temperature kettle, that is critical. |
| 06:53.06 | special | that said, the lady gray was my favorite of the twinings teas I tried :p |
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| 06:55.06 | radiofree | I've seen a "Russian Earl Grey", not tried it |
| 06:55.49 | xarcass | radiofree: keep staying away from this crap |
| 06:56.24 | radiofree | ok, noted ;) |
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| 06:59.07 | xarcass | thinks that the best kettle (and pot) is a glass 1-liter can with two razor blades connected to a 1-meter of 2-thread insulated wire |
| 06:59.53 | special | xarcass: not unless you add a temperature sensor :p |
| 07:00.51 | xarcass | sensors are for losers. real men always know the right moment to pull razors off the water |
| 07:01.33 | xarcass | the secret is to watch the bubbles |
| 07:01.48 | special | any bubbles is too many bubbles |
| 07:02.10 | special | depending on the type of tea |
| 07:02.13 | special | takes tea very seriously |
| 07:03.04 | xarcass | thinks that quality of tea can always be improved by adding more tea to the water |
| 07:05.33 | xarcass | i'd like to take tea seriously too, but i haven't got sense of smell (completely), so i'm hardly an expert for there's only taste what's left for me |
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| 07:23.15 | Venemo_N950 | hey again |
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| 07:26.04 | Venemo_N950 | morning djszapiN9 :) |
| 07:26.11 | djszapiN9 | hiemanshu, the font size change does not take effect, not even after a reboot |
| 07:26.35 | djszapiN9 | hello bello Venemo ;) |
| 07:26.40 | hiemanshu | djszapiN9: that was a dummy element, fixed in newer version |
| 07:26.47 | hiemanshu | as in works in newer version |
| 07:26.55 | djszapiN9 | good |
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| 08:54.49 | Stecchino | Any chance there is an N950 update coming soon? |
| 08:55.34 | Stecchino | the 06/21 version is missing some functionality the I need of my main phone, so have to keep on using the N900 |
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| 08:56.07 | Stecchino | but I'm developing an app that needs to be tested in real life, so obviously would like to do that using the N950 |
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| 08:59.29 | kkito | hello |
| 09:00.29 | djszapi | Stecchino: yeah, we all know that, but we do not know. Would make sense for Nokia to give a new release with the upcoming sales device in my opinion, but that is just speculation. |
| 09:00.48 | Stecchino | well, best before actually |
| 09:01.23 | Stecchino | I've even discovered the N950 is lacking some HW things w.r.t. N9 for my use case |
| 09:01.28 | Stecchino | mainly sensors |
| 09:02.12 | djszapi | does not really matter what we speculate :) |
| 09:02.20 | Stecchino | just a general question: who here is developing commercial apps for harmattan (or plans to). |
| 09:02.48 | Stecchino | would like to know if there are any 3rd party devs left for mobile Qt |
| 09:03.04 | Tronic | Stecchino: Many might do but cannot tell. |
| 09:03.11 | djszapi | Stecchino: I did. |
| 09:03.24 | Stecchino | djszapi: at Nokia you mean? |
| 09:05.02 | djszapi | yes, but that does not matter since it was not the platform team. |
| 09:05.51 | Tronic | I only wish they'd put those useless "<whatever> news" apps in a separate category or entirely remove them from Store. |
| 09:06.29 | Tronic | When browsing new applications it is difficult to find the new actual apps when the list is full of that crap. |
| 09:07.12 | Tronic | I guess that movie trailers, lock screen images and such already go into separate categories and thus don't appear on the list. |
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| 09:36.30 | MohammadAG | <Stecchino> the 06/21 version is missing some functionality the I need of my main phone, so have to keep on using the N900 |
| 09:36.35 | MohammadAG | like what? |
| 09:36.39 | MohammadAG | I need ideas for apps :p |
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| 09:37.08 | Stecchino | MohammadAG: google accounts plugin |
| 09:37.34 | Stecchino | I know it exists and was working very well. So wonder why it was not in the 0621 firmware |
| 09:37.34 | jreznik | Tronic: these news are quick way how to have gazzilions "apps" to compete with android and iphone... but take a look to these app stores - it's mess |
| 09:37.57 | MohammadAG | Stecchino, may I suggest looking at the N9s on RDA? |
| 09:38.08 | djszapi | Stecchino: I heard that it is not because of it was not working. It was a different issue, namely certificate. |
| 09:38.25 | MohammadAG | Stecchino, http://i55.tinypic.com/2e3ykwl.jpg :P |
| 09:38.53 | Stecchino | MohammadAG: I can do that for UI testing sure. But I can't shake and throw the RDA devices around, which I need for my app :) |
| 09:39.10 | Stecchino | MohammadAG: later firmware obviously |
| 09:39.23 | MohammadAG | Stecchino, the one in the link? |
| 09:39.32 | MohammadAG | it's 22-6, the version you all have |
| 09:39.36 | Stecchino | djszapi: yeah, that is likely it. Though it was working fine back in March |
| 09:39.36 | MohammadAG | I just pulled some files :p |
| 09:40.14 | Stecchino | MohammadAG: you soooo have to tell us how :) |
| 09:40.19 | djszapi | Stecchino: Skype has been also working for a while, still not there ;-) |
| 09:40.58 | MohammadAG | Stecchino, also this http://i54.tinypic.com/2m85gsw.jpg |
| 09:42.14 | MohammadAG | though that didn't up well |
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| 09:49.19 | kkito | how to activate skype account? |
| 09:49.40 | kkito | theres the package out there? |
| 09:49.45 | MohammadAG | no |
| 09:51.30 | kkito | MohammadAG: what files i need to download from rda to be able to activate it? |
| 09:51.48 | MohammadAG | I doubt it's legal, do some dpkg -L magic and you'll know ;) |
| 09:52.19 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 09:52.33 | MohammadAG | anyone tried to listen to music with the N950 in a jeans pocket while it's locked? |
| 09:52.44 | MohammadAG | it skips parts of the song and sometimes goes back a song or two |
| 09:52.55 | artemm | Actually just putting it to jeans pocket is dangerous :) |
| 09:53.00 | macmaN | MohammadAG: i do that all the time. hasnt experienced that at all. |
| 09:53.04 | macmaN | havent* |
| 09:53.08 | artemm | not ones it chatted with my facebook friends from my pocket |
| 09:53.13 | MohammadAG | macmaN, long distances? |
| 09:53.15 | artemm | *not once |
| 09:53.30 | artemm | I must be happy it didn't call any phone sex |
| 09:53.38 | macmaN | MohammadAG: well several tens of minute of walking for sure. |
| 09:53.40 | MohammadAG | it merged three contacts for me :p |
| 09:53.51 | artemm | what helps is disabling unlock on doubletap |
| 09:54.00 | MohammadAG | yeah, thinking it's that |
| 09:54.03 | artemm | then it will wait until power button press |
| 09:54.08 | MohammadAG | or the volume keys can somehow skip the song |
| 09:54.12 | MohammadAG | but I like the double tap |
| 09:54.18 | artemm | far not that cool, but it doesn't behave wrong then |
| 09:54.32 | MohammadAG | I have my phone on the desk in class, and I just have to double tap the screen to see the clock |
| 09:54.36 | artemm | oh, I love double tap, it's just too expensive when it is misused by the pocket ) |
| 09:54.59 | Stskeeps | your ass can swipe the screen? :P |
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| 09:55.09 | artemm | it would be great if they improved wrong touch detection |
| 09:55.22 | artemm | that's not too hard to improve it quite a bit |
| 09:56.09 | MohammadAG | I don't put it in my ass pocket :P |
| 09:56.12 | macmaN | i would actually *love* volume keys to be able to skip songs |
| 09:56.17 | MohammadAG | I'd forget it and sit on it |
| 09:56.26 | MohammadAG | macmaN, for some reason I think it's there |
| 09:56.27 | macmaN | its mondo annoying having to unlock the screen all the time and swipe into music player |
| 09:56.38 | MohammadAG | I mean, I leave the player in the details view (when clicking "...") |
| 09:56.43 | MohammadAG | and it skips/goes back a song |
| 09:59.35 | kkito | hey, i am looking for this component https://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/View_Headers.html (View header) but i am unable to find it. Do you know where it is? |
| 09:59.53 | kkito | is it available in the current SDK? |
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| 10:02.49 | Venemo_N950 | hello |
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| 10:05.53 | macmaN | MohammadAG: you mean it skips with volume buttons while locked? |
| 10:06.18 | MohammadAG | I don't know how it skips, but it skips |
| 10:07.07 | macmaN | im trying right now both ways. volbuttons only regulate vol. |
| 10:07.47 | MohammadAG | I can't reproduce it |
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| 10:07.53 | Venemo_N950 | hmmmm |
| 10:09.09 | macmaN | another thing im finding worrysome about the media player - i cannot play a folder |
| 10:09.42 | macmaN | some various artists albums have the separate album names in tags. so there's no way to actually play this various artists collection. |
| 10:09.42 | Venemo_N950 | macmaN, that' |
| 10:10.07 | leinir | well no, of course you can't... that would imply exposing the filesystem, which you're not supposed to do |
| 10:10.15 | macmaN | i guess the only way is playlists |
| 10:10.33 | macmaN | leinir: i know right, after all we'd be more powerful than android then |
| 10:10.55 | leinir | the real solution would be to support albums with multiple artists |
| 10:11.45 | leinir | macmaN: Bah - "fixing" it by exposing the filesystem structure is such a shortcut... |
| 10:14.08 | macmaN | side note: is there any fix for the pkgmgrd getting stuck problem after any installation activity? it pretty much takes a fresh reboot to install or uninstall any software. |
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| 10:14.39 | macmaN | well, aside from "wait for new fw" |
| 10:15.34 | djszapi | if that would be the case, you could not install developer packages after each other. |
| 10:15.41 | djszapi | that was* |
| 10:16.13 | djszapi | fortunately, we can do that. |
| 10:16.46 | Stecchino | MohammadAG: the RDA N9 (at least one of them) seems locked up. Shouldn't it be rebootable? |
| 10:17.01 | macmaN | i have not been able to identify the exact condition after which installations just stop working. |
| 10:17.31 | macmaN | but killall pkgmgrd has been documented a long time ago as a workaround |
| 10:18.06 | djszapi | They need a stepset to reproduce, I guess, otherwise invalid until that. |
| 10:29.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:48.43 | thp | Jaffa: in which timezone are you? "morning".. |
| 10:49.24 | djszapi | timezone does not unconditionally say what a person feels "morning" :) |
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| 11:00.14 | Jaffa | thp: UK. It's still morning (with 31 mins to go at the time ;-)) |
| 11:00.31 | djszapi | kkito: I am afraid you need to implement your own component. At least, I am not finding it anywhere. |
| 11:02.01 | kkito | djszapi: thx... but why is it documented if there is not such component :( |
| 11:03.35 | djszapi | kkito: I might be wrong, but I am not finding it. I hope someone can help with it. |
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| 11:06.31 | djszapi | kkito: There were many other things as well in the documentation without any available component or anything related :( |
| 11:12.28 | RST38h | djszapi: Ok, try QDeclarativeView::setSource(QUrl("qml:File.qml")) in your code |
| 11:12.42 | RST38h | See it go bonkers with the network off |
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| 11:13.25 | djszapi | RST38h: does your contain that line ? |
| 11:13.29 | djszapi | your code* |
| 11:16.19 | RST38h | Not any more. |
| 11:16.40 | djszapi | right, so it does not change anything for me since I could not replicate the bug here. |
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| 13:06.44 | BrettQ | what is the password for the user account on the N950? |
| 13:07.08 | radiofree | there isn't one? |
| 13:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | [Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, as previously promised today will be the day where the network goes up in flames... I mean, where we carry out some upgrades to the ircd. I'm about to kill off a number of servers and the affected user count is ~8K! Hopefully this won't take long but I suggest you brace for impact.. |
| 13:08.29 | djszapi | https://github.com/fpletz/kernelroll |
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| 13:08.44 | djszapi | BrettQ: or you can set something up with root. |
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| 13:09.30 | radiofree | BrettQ: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html |
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| 13:09.51 | radiofree | basically just copy your public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, then you can login as user |
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| 13:09.56 | radiofree | or as djszapi, set one as root |
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| 13:11.59 | BrettQ | djszapi: thanks...my brain isn't awake yet this morning |
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| 13:14.58 | djszapi | heh, it is not possible to delete music files from the music player library |
| 13:15.00 | djszapi | views via object menu |
| 13:15.10 | djszapi | that is funky :) |
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| 13:25.30 | Venemo | is there an #ifdef or qmake config, or some runtime info that I can reliably check to see if I'm on Harmattan or not? |
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| 13:28.35 | djszapi | Venemo http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=25584&postcount=6 |
| 13:28.51 | Venemo | thx djszapi |
| 13:29.07 | Venemo | djszapi, so it's not possible yet? |
| 13:29.13 | Venemo | djszapi, achipa says "with the final SDK in the .pro you will have" |
| 13:29.43 | djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/Porting_Fremantle_Applications_to_Harmattan#Harmattan_scope |
| 13:30.22 | djszapi | "Note that these are available only in the final Harmattan target." -> with bold letters :) |
| 13:30.36 | Venemo | OMG |
| 13:30.41 | Venemo | so it's not possible yet |
| 13:30.47 | djszapi | correct |
| 13:30.51 | Venemo | wants the final Harmattan target |
| 13:30.57 | achipa | soon TM |
| 13:30.57 | Venemo | also wants new software for his N950 |
| 13:31.03 | achipa | soon TM #2 |
| 13:31.04 | Venemo | :P |
| 13:31.45 | deimos | Venemo, want you to try mine ? :) |
| 13:32.05 | achipa | with the workaround on that wiki page you should be set (at least for this particular issue) |
| 13:33.13 | Venemo | deimos, your what? |
| 13:33.20 | deimos | app |
| 13:33.34 | deimos | just finish to test before publish |
| 13:34.52 | deimos | it is mediadownloader, to watch, download from google image and youtube |
| 13:34.52 | Venemo | what app is it? |
| 13:34.54 | djszapi | testing is for bad coders ;) |
| 13:34.57 | deimos | :) |
| 13:35.05 | deimos | yes I am bad |
| 13:35.09 | Venemo | so you think I'm a bad coder? |
| 13:35.18 | Venemo | I'll take that as a personal insult. |
| 13:35.19 | deimos | no I am |
| 13:35.31 | Venemo | [15:34] <djszapi> testing is for bad coders ;) ----> so very not true. |
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| 13:42.03 | djszapi | Venemo: well, testing, debugging and documenting =) |
| 13:42.25 | Venemo | a good developer can do all those things. |
| 13:43.33 | frals | documenting is fuckin dull thou |
| 13:43.47 | Venemo | yeah |
| 13:46.55 | deimos | well, for anyone want to try http://alnitak.homelinux.org/mediadownloader/mediadownloader_0.0.1_armel.deb |
| 13:47.27 | achipa | Venemo: wait a tic... there was a qtcreator update, right ? |
| 13:47.38 | achipa | that should mean a new qmake... |
| 13:49.48 | Venemo | achipa, yeah, 2.3.0, Built on Aug 25 2011 at 15:14:45 |
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| 13:50.48 | djszapi | why should qtcreator update mean a qmake update ? |
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| 13:50.58 | djszapi | qmake is different from qtcreator. |
| 13:51.18 | djszapi | it can also be used from command line, kdevelop and the like. |
| 13:52.24 | MohammadAG | 16:47 djszapi: testing is for bad coders ;) |
| 13:52.34 | MohammadAG | you were being sarcastic right? |
| 13:53.00 | djszapi | sorry, but no sake about arguing of a joke really, if you did not get the joke, just skip it :) |
| 13:53.27 | MohammadAG | arguing? nope, just wondering |
| 13:53.41 | javispedro | hi djszapi |
| 13:53.46 | djszapi | hello javispedro :) |
| 13:53.48 | Venemo | hey MohammadAG :) |
| 13:53.51 | djszapi | how is fmradio coming along ? |
| 13:54.02 | MohammadAG | heya Venemo |
| 13:54.17 | Venemo | javispedro, should you need a GUI for the radio, let me know and I'll make you one :) |
| 13:54.31 | Venemo | javispedro, we could also involve wazd in the design if he isn't too busy |
| 13:54.38 | MohammadAG | should you need an MTF version, ping me :p |
| 13:54.44 | djszapi | +1 |
| 13:54.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo, can you make irc chatter sort channels alphabitcally? |
| 13:55.08 | javispedro | djszapi: you're right about that bt sco bit, that's why I refer when I talk about bluetooth hands free profile |
| 13:55.11 | djszapi | not by default, please. |
| 13:55.21 | javispedro | (but sco is more accurate :) ) |
| 13:55.30 | javispedro | that it collides with fmrx, I mean. |
| 13:55.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I plan to add sorting options, yes. please add it to the wishlist :) |
| 13:55.43 | MohammadAG | djszapi, sorry, used to xchat :p |
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| 13:55.52 | javispedro | the policy manager didn't seem to do anything about it |
| 13:56.10 | javispedro | s/that's why/that's what |
| 13:57.27 | MohammadAG | anyone disassembled the N950? |
| 13:57.48 | djszapi | MohammadAG: actually moving channel into your order would make much more sense |
| 13:58.58 | djszapi | not sure how to design that with this swipe Ui interface. |
| 14:00.25 | djszapi | "/move window NUMBER" would also make sense for hackers :p |
| 14:01.05 | djszapi | javispedro: sorry, but I do not understand the problem. I thought we discussed it and everything is straight-forward what will happen. What makes you doubt aboutanything ? :) |
| 14:02.13 | javispedro | djszapi: I am not pointing a problem, rather agreeing on that the problem you mentioned exists =) |
| 14:03.35 | djszapi | javispedro: what problem ? |
| 14:04.27 | javispedro | djszapi: collision with bt sco |
| 14:04.49 | djszapi | yep, but this profile will solve that. |
| 14:05.06 | djszapi | not in this release, not even in the next imo though.. |
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| 14:17.28 | Venemo | ttyl |
| 14:17.29 | Venemo | bb |
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| 14:21.17 | djszapi | Venemo: I realized what actually is causing the connection issue I told you more times. That might be a high-priority bgu to fix. |
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| 15:20.14 | frals | i love how people grab a volume number out of their ass and then state it like a fact (like murtazin did ;D) |
| 15:20.24 | fiferboy | Is it possible to change the version of dependancy of an installed package? |
| 15:21.30 | fiferboy | For example, mp-harmattan-rm680-pr? :) |
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| 15:41.12 | fiferboy | Found it - /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:41.39 | fiferboy | Unbroke my package management after installing my own qt-components :D |
| 15:43.12 | djszapi | hi fiferboy =) |
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| 15:44.16 | fiferboy | djszapi, hi |
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| 16:16.17 | djszapi | rzr: you broke the soprano installation by the old db package in the shared repository. |
| 16:16.30 | djszapi | let me get rid of that old version from the shared repository. |
| 16:16.58 | djszapi | rzr: the public SDK provides a much newer version ;) |
| 16:17.27 | djszapi | rzr: is it a dependency for some package, as in hard coded old dependency ? If that is the case, please rename it so that they do not collide in any way. |
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| 16:24.54 | djszapi | hi Venemo :) |
| 16:25.02 | Venemo_N950 | hello djszapi :) |
| 16:25.23 | djszapi | Venemo: so there is the bug about the connection. I think it is critical to fix since it is hard to debug. |
| 16:25.26 | Venemo_N950 | how are you today? |
| 16:25.39 | Venemo_N950 | agreed! |
| 16:26.08 | djszapi | Venemo: did you get the finding when I last told it ? |
| 16:26.22 | Venemo_N950 | dunno |
| 16:26.41 | djszapi | Venemo: it is because I did not somehow have internet coonection. What you could do is to open up the internet connection dialog like the browser does when there is no internet connection established. |
| 16:26.43 | Venemo_N950 | you changed some port setting or maybe ssl, and it worked? |
| 16:27.09 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, is there an api for that? |
| 16:27.19 | djszapi | also, if I fix the internet connection "manually" after I launched the app, it never connects again, there is no automatic "detection". |
| 16:27.26 | djszapi | yes, there is. |
| 16:27.35 | djszapi | you can open up any settings dialog with no issue |
| 16:27.42 | Venemo_N950 | yeah, that's a known shortcoming, expect it to be fixed |
| 16:27.57 | Venemo_N950 | the app will also display a message when the connection is lost |
| 16:27.58 | djszapi | about the internet connection detection, no idea... |
| 16:28.14 | Venemo_N950 | and it will give you a button that will reconnect you |
| 16:28.39 | djszapi | sounds funny that is the problem, but annoying, and remember how much we debugged it. |
| 16:28.46 | Venemo_N950 | for detection, there is Qt Mobility bearer api |
| 16:29.30 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I also will obtain a new firmware version tomorrow, so I can test with the new software. |
| 16:30.02 | djszapi | good :) |
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| 16:30.22 | djszapi | About launching a certain Settings page: You can check the wanted applets desktop file for the proper method to launch it, eg, about-applet can be launched by "dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.nokia.DuiControlPanel / com.nokia.DuiControlPanelIf.appletPage string:About product" |
| 16:30.44 | djszapi | its desktop file contains this: http://paste.kde.org/119563/ |
| 16:30.49 | djszapi | so find the alternative and you are done. |
| 16:31.06 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, not sure why Nokia doesn't want to publicize it... when we asked the contact in Nokia Hungary, the response was "of course". |
| 16:31.25 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, the internet connection dialog is a settings plugin? |
| 16:31.39 | djszapi | try to launch grob without internet connection |
| 16:31.46 | djszapi | it will open up the relevant internet settings page. |
| 16:31.59 | Venemo_N950 | mhm |
| 16:32.12 | Venemo_N950 | yeah, it pops up regularly methinks |
| 16:32.50 | djszapi | yep, if you type for instance google.com, it pops up. If you do the same, that is perfect. |
| 16:32.58 | Venemo_N950 | mhmm |
| 16:36.52 | djszapi | Venemo: duicontrolpanel-networkapplet - Cellular network settings applet. ? |
| 16:39.14 | djszapi | and here is the desktop file: http://paste.kde.org/119581/ |
| 16:40.12 | djszapi | so: "dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.nokia.DuiControlPanel / com.nokia.DuiControlPanelIf.appletPage string:Phone network" |
| 16:40.51 | djszapi | so for the connection tick, check, if there is no stuff, call this. |
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| 16:49.32 | djszapi | Venemo: actually it is even documented here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libduicontrolpanel/servicefw.html |
| 16:57.18 | Venemo | thanks djszapi :) |
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| 17:02.21 | Venemo | djszapi, so, #ifdef harmattan, and then I can just link to a lib and call a single function, and that's it, right? |
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| 17:04.51 | djszapi | just execute the dbus call if the internet connection is established. |
| 17:05.52 | Venemo | what dbus call? |
| 17:06.08 | djszapi | "dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.nokia.DuiControlPanel / com.nokia.DuiControlPanelIf.appletPage string:Phone network" |
| 17:06.15 | Venemo | I just need to call this method: |
| 17:06.17 | Venemo | dcpIf->appletPage("Internet"); //To show "internet applet" for example |
| 17:06.20 | Venemo | according to your doc |
| 17:07.11 | djszapi | oh sure, you can use the "low-level" way as well |
| 17:07.40 | djszapi | that class probably resolves all the relevant common dbus thingy. |
| 17:17.54 | djszapi | *sigh* c-obs is still master at producing no output for hours, days... |
| 17:24.33 | arcean | it's just me or libmeegotouch-dev from harmattan sdk doesn't include MColorList? |
| 17:25.27 | arcean | *contain |
| 17:27.13 | djszapi | that is correct here as well |
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| 21:30.04 | Venemo | djszapi, I've already promised you to investigate it, so I will do it, don't worry... but right now I'm not emotionally stable enough for work. |
| 21:30.09 | Venemo | anyway, have a nice evening :) |
| 21:30.13 | Venemo | good night! |
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| 22:18.03 | artemm | DocScrutinizer, djszapi I managed to make a console app that downloads image and replaces wallpaper.png and everything works fine.. after reboot :) Do you know if there's a way to ask wallpaper to refresh its cache right now? |
| 22:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | nfc, sorry |
| 22:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | check dbus traffic while doing a wallpaper change the classic way |
| 22:19.09 | artemm | oh |
| 22:19.17 | artemm | I am afraid I don't know how to do this |
| 22:19.26 | artemm | need to make a research then |
| 22:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor |
| 22:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor --system& dbus-monitor --session |
| 22:20.06 | artemm | besides I broke my wallpaper applet (deleted one file by mistake) :) |
| 22:20.25 | artemm | reflash should fix it, but I procrastinate with it |
| 22:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | you'll want to run this dbus-monitor cmd from a user account, not root |
| 22:20.47 | artemm | thanks for the advice |
| 22:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect it'll show up on session bus if anything, but you never know |
| 22:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably there'll be a friggin lot of traffic, so better redirect into a file for later analysis |
| 22:22.43 | artemm | I'll learn about dbus first :) |
| 22:22.47 | artemm | never used it before |
| 22:23.02 | artemm | shows lot's of signals |
| 22:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | never mind, dbus is a bitch to undestand completely |
| 22:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | just think of it like an alternative to TCP/IP packages, that hold an address and a command with parameters |
| 22:24.14 | artemm | I wonder how I could use the results of the observations |
| 22:24.38 | artemm | is it like I am supposed to notice gconf settings it uses? |
| 22:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | you could create a dbus-send command with same parameters, to trigger the same function |
| 22:24.50 | artemm | oh |
| 22:25.38 | artemm | nice |
| 22:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | probably there's a GUI or sth (sender) that requests some action to be done by a daemon or sth (receiver) |
| 22:26.05 | artemm | ok, going to reflash N950 to make wallpaper applet work again, then will monitor |
| 22:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | the wallpaper applet is your sender obviously |
| 22:26.50 | artemm | I guess I can somehow limit amount of output if I filter by sende |
| 22:26.52 | artemm | r |
| 22:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | not really, I guess |
| 22:27.26 | artemm | ok, then will just dump everything to file and analyze on desktop |
| 22:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | sender is encoded, it's just a symbolic handle name usually |
| 22:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | artemm: looking at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control will give you some idea about what it is all about |
| 22:29.19 | artemm | checking |
| 22:31.21 | artemm | ok, so that's just a text command based way to do IPC, apparently standard for linux and/or Qt |
| 22:31.47 | artemm | if wallpaper applet indeed commands its daemon through dbus, should be easy to copy |
| 22:32.07 | artemm | that is if user apps are allowed to command the random daemons |
| 22:32.21 | artemm | I mean under developer mode they are certainly allowed to do it |
| 22:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's a good point indeed |
| 22:33.08 | artemm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | you might need a proper manifest for aegis, to gain credentials needed to talk to the receiver |
| 22:34.22 | artemm | what's the point of aegis checks if I can get whatever I want if I just declare the need? :/ |
| 22:34.28 | artemm | though it's a different topic |
| 22:34.33 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can't. |
| 22:35.00 | SpeedEvil | In principle, there is a robust team of people at the ovi store reading your sourcecode, and verifying. |
| 22:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) serial=30 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged |
| 22:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.12 | artemm | is there some list of capabilities (in)accessible to 3rd party apps? |
| 22:35.37 | artemm | DocScrutinizer, is that for me? |
| 22:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 22:36.10 | artemm | then I didn't understand it unfortunately |
| 22:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | just noticed it in the spam the "save" on wallpaper got me |
| 22:36.15 | artemm | some learning still to happen |
| 22:37.04 | berndhs | was dbus invented by a committee of state employees ? |
| 22:37.07 | artemm | it's a pity wallpaper applet codes are not open :) |
| 22:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | sorry no wallpapers to select from here, so I have a hard time to create a dbus change-wallpaper event |
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| 22:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | on system bus there's quite a bit nevertheless |
| 22:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | method call sender=:1.187 -> dest=org.gnome.GConf serial=23 path=/org/gnome/GConf/Database/0; interface=org.gnome.GConf.Database; member=Set string "/desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename" struct { |
| 22:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | etc |
| 22:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | dnag didn't notice that amount of whitespace |
| 22:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 22:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | seems this is just for changing the gconf key content though |
| 22:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | afk o/ |
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| 22:50.47 | MohammadAG | is the browser on the mandatory aegis list? |
| 22:56.42 | artemm | these dbus interfaces. They are xmls that are located somewhere in file system, right? |
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