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| 07:32.44 | rzr | hi |
| 07:33.05 | rzr | do u know fenix's options from cli ? |
| 07:34.10 | rzr | in my case its crashing on refresh |
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| 07:51.06 | djszapi | MohammadAG: sorry, was afk nowadays, how about your haptic question, got resolved ? |
| 07:53.04 | djszapi | MohammadAG: populate menu as in example here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_application_menu.html then call menu->appear(); you can pass window pointer to appear or if you don't active window will be used normally though you would set action location and the framework will make the menu for you, either object (context) or application menu |
| 07:53.51 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I'm not too sure about this, but browsing sources results in: https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/blobs/master/demos/widgetsgallery/mainpage.cpp#line220 "/ The Input Feedback page is temporary disabled since the common widget components do not have haptics right now." there is void MStatusBarView::playHapticsFeedback(), I don't know if it works or not https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/blobs/master/src/views |
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| 08:13.18 | vladest | hi all |
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| 08:21.16 | lamikr | DAILY: Worked with eglwmcore for getting ui up on meltemi. Continuing with that. |
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| 08:29.21 | djszapi | MohammadAG: also, feedbacks should be enabled by default for MButton. |
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| 08:47.11 | ajalkane | I'd like more status updates on meltemi :p |
| 08:47.35 | djszapi | why |
| 08:48.04 | Stskeeps | plays with Mer, much more interesting |
| 08:48.26 | ajalkane | It seems interesting |
| 08:48.52 | djszapi | what do you find interesting (no offense, just wondering) ? |
| 08:49.57 | ajalkane | It's a wind. Not much is known about it. I guess I find the unknown interesting. |
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| 08:51.36 | tkeisala | wi ajalkane |
| 08:52.24 | djszapi | at least it is still a valid reason for Nokia to work on Qt5. After that, who knows.. |
| 08:55.14 | ajalkane | Ah ok, so the next billion project. Well it all depends how well or poorly Wp7 strategy goes |
| 08:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | *yawn* |
| 08:55.51 | flux | stskeeps, so mer didn't just fold when harmattan was announced? |
| 08:56.04 | Stskeeps | flux: s/harmattan/meego/ and who says we ever died :P |
| 08:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | is bored by Nokia's OS tango |
| 08:56.08 | Stskeeps | we just kept on pushing as part of meego |
| 08:56.34 | flux | stskeeps, well, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer says "Mer is now an inactive project, due to the introduction of the MeeGo (http://www.meego.com) project which shares a similar mission as Mer. Mer was a community research project into an open and openly developed Maemo platform." |
| 08:56.39 | Stskeeps | right |
| 08:56.58 | djszapi | ajalkane: it can even happen they sell the Qt development division for another company. :) They could actually do that, since there was not that high fluctuation in that area. |
| 08:57.05 | Stskeeps | we're kinda planning towards restarting the project as meego doesn't follow basic philosophies we stand for, starting with a meego derived core |
| 08:57.11 | Stskeeps | (to be blunt) |
| 08:57.44 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEKIXVeBGY - a tiny 302 source package core, portable |
| 08:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | hard to regain credibility on such a move |
| 08:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | such a sequence of moves |
| 08:59.38 | flux | well, releases speak loudly :) |
| 08:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 09:09.20 | kkito | hello |
| 09:09.49 | kkito | where to buy the n9? |
| 09:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | a short chronology: OM2007, qtmoko, mer for OM, OM2008, H:1, SHR, diablo, fremantle, meego-DE/CE, "meego" HARM, mer-II (I for sure missed several). Seen all those come and most of them bite the dust. Not particularly interested in bleeding edge anymore. New stuff is not always better stuff |
| 09:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I missed mer-I |
| 09:12.00 | Stskeeps | you had that in 'mer for om' |
| 09:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | somewhat yeah |
| 09:12.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: supposedly the firmware release has been greenlighted, so you can get rid of aegis |
| 09:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'm disgusted to a degree where I'm not even inclined to ask what this means |
| 09:14.31 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as in, firmware for n950 is very close to release and allows you to flash own rootfs/kernel |
| 09:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | incredible - just how does that help to bring good really new ground breaking apps to N9 joe average-customer? |
| 09:16.14 | Stskeeps | prolly not much |
| 09:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 09:16.36 | flux | I guess similar to the i-product jailbreaking scene.. |
| 09:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | even less |
| 09:17.31 | flux | in any case, I think developers will be more happy to experiment and coexist with aegis once there's a way out ;-) |
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| 09:28.46 | kkito | what is the best way to store configuration for harmattan apps? Theres gconf bindings or something like that? |
| 09:28.59 | kkito | using qt/qml |
| 09:29.32 | djszapi | QSettings ? |
| 09:29.42 | ajalkane | qsettings is easiest |
| 09:30.04 | djszapi | but it depends on the current requirement for sure as well. |
| 09:31.06 | spenap | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/How-to_create_a_persistent_settings_database_in_Qt_Quick_%28QML%29, kkito |
| 09:33.54 | kkito | spenap: thx :) |
| 09:34.19 | spenap | :) |
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| 09:40.14 | MohammadAG | anyone succeeded in using led-event-notifier? |
| 09:45.46 | thp | is the new n950 firmware available already, or is its release just greenlit and the release not uploaded yet? |
| 09:45.55 | Stskeeps | greenlit, underway |
| 09:45.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:46.10 | macmaN | howls to the moon |
| 09:47.13 | sandst1 | Stskeeps: how long is the underway? :) |
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| 09:47.54 | Stskeeps | sandst1: we lure everyone into it, then light fires on both ends |
| 09:47.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:49.09 | leinir | joins macmaN, and then realises that howling and having a cold doesn't mix :P |
| 09:49.47 | macmaN | ha, i just repaired throat over the past few days |
| 09:50.07 | sandst1 | macmaN: by howling?:) |
| 09:50.22 | djszapi | that always helps :) |
| 09:51.22 | macmaN | oldfashioned rather |
| 09:51.45 | macmaN | lots of hot tea and sucking on those neoangin candy like its my jo |
| 09:51.46 | macmaN | job* |
| 09:52.16 | djszapi | kimju: did you get an idea after all for the scheduler kernel issue ? |
| 09:52.20 | macmaN | but had i known about the firmware earlier, i mightve been howling too, who cares about the throat when firmware is coming |
| 09:52.45 | djszapi | well, you will complain about the new firmware then anyways =) |
| 09:55.33 | alterego | We have a firmware update?! |
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| 09:55.40 | alterego | WOO! |
| 09:55.45 | Stskeeps | it will come, at least |
| 09:56.01 | alterego | zehjotkah made it sound like it was out |
| 09:56.12 | Stskeeps | it got greenlighted, so any time now |
| 09:56.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:56.23 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:56.28 | alterego | Bloody insiders |
| 09:56.37 | alterego | jumps in the shower whilst breakfast is cooking. |
| 09:57.09 | alterego | That means a week of testing meego C efor the N950? |
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| 09:59.27 | MohammadAG | or forwardporting Maemo 5 |
| 09:59.35 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:59.41 | Stskeeps | i do consider at times to try that, just for kicks |
| 10:01.10 | MohammadAG | I just wanna see how hildon-desktop and hildon apps run |
| 10:16.00 | sandst1 | Innnteresting |
| 10:16.02 | sandst1 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html |
| 10:16.05 | sandst1 | :) |
| 10:16.54 | sandst1 | the oneclickflasher is also named 34-2, however it seems to be failing currently with "Unexpected EOF in archive".. |
| 10:17.11 | macmaN | uhuhuhuhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuhuhuhhu |
| 10:17.23 | Stskeeps | sandst1: probably still uploading |
| 10:17.39 | sandst1 | Stskeeps: yup |
| 10:17.42 | macmaN | how'd you find that |
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| 10:18.32 | sandst1 | macmaN: the release notes link in the 22-6 points to the new one already : D |
| 10:19.10 | sandst1 | Here's a direct link: http://pastebin.com/RP2iePBB |
| 10:19.22 | Stskeeps | warning: your backups may not be re-loadable from 22-6 to 34-2 |
| 10:19.31 | djszapi | mmm, just 3-4 weeks old image. |
| 10:19.35 | Stskeeps | so keep that in mind when you upgrade |
| 10:19.39 | sandst1 | Stskeeps: good point |
| 10:19.40 | Stskeeps | save your mom's phonenumber, etc |
| 10:19.54 | macmaN | :> |
| 10:19.59 | djszapi | that is false, contacts simply work. |
| 10:20.04 | sandst1 | i think people will just swap their mom's phone number to angry birds :P |
| 10:20.15 | macmaN | changelog doesnt show 4sq app |
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| 10:28.17 | macmaN | i'm finding no way to navigate to n950 fw through web browser |
| 10:28.32 | kkito | oh, the changelog is nice, but where is the fw? |
| 10:28.55 | djszapi | xD |
| 10:29.39 | macmaN | http://www.developer.nokia.com/search/search.xhtml?view=ebs&s=ft&tl=0&ob=best&me=false&l=20&expandDoc=false&k=n950&oldK=n950 |
| 10:29.47 | macmaN | it's showing firmware links here |
| 10:30.08 | macmaN | direct link: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/25e9df89-6fbf-4802-a335-ca9695250144/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Lin.html |
| 10:30.19 | kkito | :D |
| 10:30.27 | kkito | thx, ! |
| 10:31.43 | macmaN | ouch 0 byte downloads :> |
| 10:32.04 | djszapi | interesting, it downloads here. |
| 10:32.09 | kkito | windows flasher link works |
| 10:32.14 | MohammadAG | downloads here too |
| 10:32.25 | MohammadAG | 41 mins left |
| 10:32.32 | macmaN | aha mac flasher downloads |
| 10:32.43 | djszapi | not 565MB though |
| 10:32.47 | macmaN | gotta love 2MB/sec downloads |
| 10:32.55 | MohammadAG | 592 here |
| 10:32.57 | macmaN | from internetz |
| 10:33.07 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 10:33.10 | djszapi | 488 here. |
| 10:33.11 | MohammadAG | should try and download it on a server |
| 10:33.14 | macmaN | mac is 565 |
| 10:33.30 | macmaN | are there md5sums available |
| 10:33.32 | kkito | macmaN: 2 mb/sec for a 0 byte download is fun |
| 10:33.38 | spenap | yes, I wouldn't flash without md5sums |
| 10:33.43 | alterego | Wait, is the update OTA? |
| 10:33.48 | macmaN | kkito: yes, it is infinitely fast :> almost star trek |
| 10:33.53 | Ravi | 194k / second |
| 10:34.00 | MohammadAG | yeah, cause we have an application manager aleksander_m |
| 10:34.01 | Ravi | 36 mins to go :) |
| 10:34.03 | MohammadAG | alterego* |
| 10:34.24 | djszapi | macmaN: star trek effect here, too :p |
| 10:34.32 | MohammadAG | haha, 5 minutes on the server |
| 10:34.43 | MohammadAG | make that 3 |
| 10:35.17 | macmaN | btw this is a fun rss feed: http://sn.nokia.com/query?facets=&mandatory-facets=qfnZtypeQUqfnTypeZApplicationQ+NEqfnZtypeQUqfnTypeZE45E78ampleQ+NEqrdfZtypeQUqfnZE52etiredQ+qmarsZlanguageQUxhttpE3aE2fE2fswE2enokiaE2ecomE2flanguageE2d1E2fenX+NOqncZsupersededByQ+NEqrdfZtypeQUqfnZE45E78cludedFromSearchQ&mandatory-keywords=&keywords=n950&match=one&sortby=best&limit=500&index=1&format=rss&inference=include&facet-boost=1 |
| 10:35.42 | djszapi | anybody coming to the Finnish-Russian meego conference in Oulu ? |
| 10:35.56 | macmaN | ugh oulu is kinda far'ish |
| 10:35.57 | MohammadAG | djszapi, that 488 file, is it the linux one? |
| 10:36.22 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I think so. |
| 10:36.46 | MohammadAG | 565MBs here |
| 10:37.05 | MohammadAG | Nooooo |
| 10:37.15 | MohammadAG | this update removes developer edition branding |
| 10:37.25 | Stskeeps | thank god |
| 10:37.28 | Ravi | windows 453 mb :-/ |
| 10:37.43 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I liked that |
| 10:38.17 | MohammadAG | md5sum is 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 |
| 10:38.20 | macmaN | hm, only linux doesnt download then |
| 10:38.33 | MohammadAG | macmaN, downloaded fine here |
| 10:38.51 | MohammadAG | since there aren't any tokens, I guess a direct link won't harm http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/25e9df89-6fbf-4802-a335-ca9695250144/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Lin/Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin?fdptoken=1316514218_7269c40b39e0c994464a0011e4be8001 |
| 10:38.53 | Ravi | can anyone downloading windows version confirm the file size |
| 10:38.54 | macmaN | oh? damn it startreks here |
| 10:38.55 | djszapi | macmaN: yes far'ish, but fun'ish :) |
| 10:39.36 | kkito | Ravi: 581 mb |
| 10:40.16 | Ravi | it's showing 453 mb...i think i should restart the download :) |
| 10:40.36 | Ravi | kkito can you give me direct link? |
| 10:40.44 | macmaN | heh, now linux stopped at 2,0MB |
| 10:40.57 | kkito | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/6c071990-1027-46fd-852d-055cbfa31aab/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Win.html |
| 10:41.04 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 10:41.11 | MohammadAG | amd64 flasher \o/ |
| 10:41.17 | macmaN | guess im stuck with mac's |
| 10:41.40 | macmaN | i think contacts is the only thing i really want to back up |
| 10:42.10 | MohammadAG | this firmware will probably stop unseal.ko from working |
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| 10:42.50 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: yes, but otoh, you can get rid of harmattan |
| 10:42.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:42.54 | kimju | Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin 511314373 bytes, md5sum: 4cb49c2506e4212ee6c65f9b8a0e69ea |
| 10:43.10 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 10:43.16 | MohammadAG | mine's larger |
| 10:43.28 | Ravi | @kkito thanks |
| 10:43.36 | macmaN | it's showing 488MB for me too for linux |
| 10:44.11 | djszapi | kimju: /* Do not allow realtime tasks into groups that have no runtime assigned. */ -> kernel/sched.c line 6577 |
| 10:44.28 | MohammadAG | kimju, -rwxr-xr-x 1 mohammad mohammad 592272572 Sep 19 06:12 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 10:44.38 | spenap | MohammadAG, got the image now and it has the same md5sum as you |
| 10:44.50 | spenap | yours* |
| 10:45.43 | djszapi | kimju: ohh, kernel.org is down |
| 10:45.50 | kimju | djszapi, been for weeks. |
| 10:45.53 | dm8tbr | no sh*t sherlock |
| 10:45.55 | kkito | flashing the new fw... |
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| 10:46.20 | djszapi | kimju: yes, but they did not provide anything, mmm, that is certainly bad |
| 10:46.47 | djszapi | kimju: anyways, that might be the culsprity in the harmattan kernel |
| 10:47.51 | djszapi | kimju: mmm, at least lxr works for the linux kernel, that is good |
| 10:48.09 | kimju | ok, that 488M file is truncated, "tar: Unexpected EOF in archive". |
| 10:48.23 | kimju | so, some nodes of cdn are out of sync? |
| 10:48.40 | Anssi138 | no torrent? |
| 10:49.17 | dm8tbr | if there would be a complete file... |
| 10:49.38 | gri | MohammadAG: Great work with the lights :) |
| 10:50.00 | macmaN | i cant get it to download the correct sized linux file |
| 10:50.35 | kimju | ok, wget at my server got 592272572 bytes. |
| 10:51.14 | MohammadAG | kimju, that's the right one |
| 10:51.37 | kimju | 2011-09-19 13:50:58 (2,84 MB/s) - Connection closed at byte 163577856. Retrying. |
| 10:52.10 | kimju | and on second try, it got handed the 488M one.. |
| 10:52.12 | kimju | wtf. |
| 10:52.45 | kimju | and now all I get is 0 bytes. |
| 10:52.45 | macmaN | 511MB now.. |
| 10:53.32 | kkito | how much time it takes the "erasing" step ? |
| 10:54.10 | kimju | so some nodes have partial file, some nothing and only some the whole file? |
| 10:54.11 | dm8tbr | 30min? |
| 10:54.24 | kimju | kkito, 30-40min |
| 10:54.49 | kkito | kimju: thx |
| 10:56.20 | macmaN | hrm. so i cant really back up contacts in a very sane way separately. |
| 10:56.40 | macmaN | Export Contacts expects me to single select every one of my 700 contacts? |
| 10:56.57 | macmaN | ahh i forgot about the keyboard :) ctrl+a |
| 10:58.30 | kimju | 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 10:59.10 | w00t | got a full size one |
| 10:59.19 | spenap | kimju, yes, that is: MohammadAG and I got the same md5sum |
| 10:59.21 | djszapi | kimju: same here |
| 10:59.32 | spenap | ok, that's nice |
| 11:00.03 | w00t | 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 - same as yours kimju |
| 11:00.18 | macmaN | is still getting 511MB :< |
| 11:01.15 | kimju | started flashing and then off to a meeting.. |
| 11:01.52 | Sput | so we need to erase the EMMC, or is it enough to just flash the firmware? |
| 11:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | seems you all having fun? :-D |
| 11:03.01 | matrixx | ok, I'm also getting the 488mb one |
| 11:03.04 | kkito | Updating SW release Success Status: 0 Press Enter to exit & Unplug the USB cable from the device to boot new flashed i mage ... |
| 11:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be way more interested if you can downgrade to old firmware after flashing new one |
| 11:03.08 | kkito | :) |
| 11:03.13 | matrixx | maybe I should have some more patience and wait |
| 11:03.39 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: yes, you can. |
| 11:03.44 | Sput | is that the R&D edition at all? |
| 11:03.51 | djszapi | nope |
| 11:03.53 | Sput | k |
| 11:04.01 | Sput | so none of the neat tools |
| 11:04.04 | frals | djszapi: doubt the can |
| 11:04.04 | SpeedEvil | downloads, but holds of installing to see if it does anything wierd. |
| 11:04.11 | frals | doubt he can* |
| 11:04.14 | djszapi | frals: well I could |
| 11:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | thanks a lot |
| 11:04.35 | frals | djszapi: afaik cellmo got updated between 22 and 34, but i could be wrong |
| 11:04.43 | frals | and since he doesnt have the magic key he cant downgrade cellmo |
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| 11:04.53 | frals | (as in N900 pretty much) |
| 11:04.58 | Venemo_webchat | ey |
| 11:05.08 | frals | goes back to hunting bugs |
| 11:05.18 | Venemo_webchat | I hear there is a new firmware? |
| 11:05.23 | djszapi | frals: ok, let me try again |
| 11:05.33 | djszapi | last time it worked oob |
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| 11:07.09 | kkito | still no google account support |
| 11:07.10 | dm8tbr | also keep in mind that this firmware might be having the changes necessary for MOSLO/custom kernel - full wipe recommended |
| 11:07.29 | djszapi | kkito: really ? |
| 11:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | frals: still no problem if cellmoFW-v2 is compatible to old one regarding API, and the old system FW will flash and run and use the new cellmo API without blowing chunks |
| 11:07.56 | Stskeeps | dm8tbr: down to cold flash, yes.. |
| 11:08.20 | frals | DocScrutinizer: maybe -- i dont know the internals of that stuff tbh |
| 11:08.34 | evilJazz | How long does this "Erasing, this may take a while." step really take? It's been running for almost 10 minutes now, I am a bit worried to cancel the process and start over... |
| 11:08.51 | djszapi | that can be normal as well |
| 11:08.53 | Stskeeps | evilJazz: long |
| 11:08.57 | Stskeeps | have dinner |
| 11:09.00 | evilJazz | okay, thanks |
| 11:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | frals: I'd expect the new FW killing some hacks regarding aegis, and blocking downgrade |
| 11:09.01 | kkito | djszapi: yes :( |
| 11:09.03 | djszapi | kkito: I have gtalk, very weird |
| 11:09.12 | djszapi | however not the public image, but the same week version |
| 11:09.14 | Venemo_webchat | can the new fw restore backups made by the old fw? |
| 11:09.24 | djszapi | Venemo_webchat: you already asked it ;) |
| 11:09.31 | frals | DocScrutinizer: i wouldnt assume the downgrade block is due to aegis tweaks tbh -- but i dunno |
| 11:10.03 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: I didn't get a valid response... if I make a backup with the old fw, can the new fw's backup app restore from it? |
| 11:10.04 | djszapi | frals: I am not trying with the public package, but the same oem1 week versions work out of the box |
| 11:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | frals: of course not. Such things are always done in best interest of end user ;-P |
| 11:10.27 | Venemo_webchat | also, could someone gimme a link to the new fw and the flasher tool? |
| 11:10.34 | kkito | djszapi: I have only Mail4exchange, facebook, twitter, nokia account, caldav, other mail account, sip |
| 11:10.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp_xpg.asp |
| 11:10.41 | SpeedEvil | err - not that |
| 11:10.49 | djszapi | kkito: weird |
| 11:10.51 | frals | DocScrutinizer: :p i would guess the downgrade not being possible would be to a component not related to aegis, but yeah, twist the words to sound its because we love aegis ;) |
| 11:10.53 | SpeedEvil | http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/25e9df89-6fbf-4802-a335-ca9695250144/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Lin/Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin?fdptoken=1316516620_266ddcfdf8280d957e9f75d4833d53b7 |
| 11:11.14 | djszapi | frals: which word of the out-of-the-box is not screaming that to you it works ? :) |
| 11:11.26 | Venemo_webchat | SpeedEvil: is this the fw or the flasher tool? |
| 11:11.27 | Venemo_webchat | or both? |
| 11:11.32 | SpeedEvil | both |
| 11:11.36 | Venemo_webchat | aah. |
| 11:11.39 | Venemo_webchat | yummy :) |
| 11:11.40 | frals | djszapi: are you on internal irc? |
| 11:11.42 | SpeedEvil | one click thingy |
| 11:11.47 | djszapi | frals: nonstop |
| 11:11.54 | Stskeeps | Venemo_webchat: OCF contains flasher anyway.. |
| 11:12.01 | Stskeeps | if you interrupt it in the right spot |
| 11:12.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:12.28 | Ravi | for some reason connect resets every few mins and wget keeps making random files :( |
| 11:12.28 | Ravi | connection* |
| 11:12.51 | Venemo_webchat | ok |
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| 11:13.39 | Venemo_webchat | and I left my microusb cable at home. f*** |
| 11:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_webchat: wise guys wait a few days instead of jumping new stuff head-first |
| 11:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 11:15.11 | Venemo_webchat | DocScrutinizer :P |
| 11:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-19 13:04:04] * SpeedEvil downloads, but holds of installing to see if it does anything wierd. |
| 11:15.19 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 11:15.33 | Venemo_webchat | DocScrutinizer: the new stuff can only be LESS buggy than the old... so this time I'm gonna jump. |
| 11:15.44 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, interrupt it? |
| 11:15.49 | MohammadAG | just SIGSTOP it |
| 11:15.53 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: yes, that's what i meant |
| 11:15.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_webchat: obviusly it needs guys eager to test, for guys like me to wait for your results :-) |
| 11:16.05 | gri | Will there also be a scratchbox update? :))) |
| 11:16.07 | Venemo_webchat | :) |
| 11:16.15 | MohammadAG | better question is |
| 11:16.18 | MohammadAG | can we downgrade? |
| 11:16.18 | djszapi | gri: that is updated all the time. |
| 11:16.28 | MohammadAG | someone said it was't possible |
| 11:16.29 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I am verifying that now |
| 11:16.36 | djszapi | heretofore, it worked. |
| 11:16.36 | gri | djszapi: Got nothing new the last few weeks |
| 11:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2011-09-19 13:03:05] <DocScrutinizer> I'd be way more interested if you can downgrade to old firmware after flashing |
| 11:16.43 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_webchat: It can be less buggy - sure. The fun issue is does it do anything more annoying from a dev POV, while being less buggy. If you're not seeing the bugs |
| 11:16.47 | frals | supposedely you can, contraryy to what i thought... but im not sure :p |
| 11:16.56 | djszapi | yes, please wait, testing here :) |
| 11:17.19 | djszapi | not sure anybody would downgrade it though |
| 11:17.21 | Venemo_webchat | SpeedEvil :) |
| 11:17.24 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi ++ |
| 11:18.01 | SpeedEvil | Though I'm wondering if it will fix the 'not being able to login to a nokia account' thing that I'm still suffering from. |
| 11:18.09 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: ping |
| 11:18.20 | achipa | Venemo_webchat: pong |
| 11:18.20 | SpeedEvil | I can't do this today - I need to be writing hideous stuff on forms. |
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| 11:22.37 | Venemo_webchat | naw, I need to leave now |
| 11:22.42 | Venemo_webchat | will be back later :) |
| 11:22.56 | frals | ;o |
| 11:22.59 | djszapi | 34-1 -> 22-6 worked at least |
| 11:23.08 | djszapi | not sure about the public 34-2 |
| 11:23.40 | leinir | hmm... is the information on the site incorrect? it says 565 megs, but the downloaded file is only 488 megs it seems... |
| 11:24.49 | sandst1 | leinir: try again in a couple mins. i first got the 488 meg one but now got the whole 565 |
| 11:25.20 | djszapi | sandst1: I will even wait few hours :p |
| 11:25.35 | leinir | sandst1: right :) |
| 11:26.20 | sandst1 | djszapi: yes. or in a few hours :D |
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| 11:30.42 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a md5sum? |
| 11:30.47 | SpeedEvil | (from a working one) |
| 11:31.13 | djszapi | 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 |
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| 11:31.34 | SpeedEvil | Thanks |
| 11:35.24 | thp | so, can the backups created with the old release be restored on this one? |
| 11:38.00 | SpeedEvil | shadowjk said maybe not. |
| 11:38.14 | Stskeeps | thp: i didn't have good experience |
| 11:38.14 | SpeedEvil | And that you should write down his moms phone number. |
| 11:38.14 | kkito | no google account, and package is still missing in servers :( |
| 11:38.22 | SpeedEvil | err - Stskeeps |
| 11:39.04 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: Ah - fun. Different sum. |
| 11:39.27 | SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 511314373 2011-09-19 12:32 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 11:40.08 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 11:40.17 | djszapi | kkito: the second from the top here (34-1) |
| 11:40.35 | djszapi | as in: Mail for Exchange, Google, Facebook, if that is not there, that is pretty bad |
| 11:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | dang, a du -sh ~/nokia takes since 5min now -- probably the ~60 subdirs like ~/nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-07-16 eat some cpu time to process XP |
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| 11:41.35 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Yeah, i've got the same size here |
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| 11:42.23 | SpeedEvil | leinir: sum ending in 69ea? |
| 11:43.03 | kkito | djszapi: it seems that google account is intentionally not supported on this public release |
| 11:43.05 | thp | Stskeeps: as in "have to manually enter all contacts again" or as in "something didn't work, but the contacts worked fine"? |
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| 11:43.31 | Stskeeps | thp: i think contacts broke for me |
| 11:44.16 | Stskeeps | thp: i had my contacts on my n900 :P |
| 11:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | LOL 28852 jr 39 19 24676 6340 796 R 96.2 1.7 34307:51 john |
| 11:46.08 | SpeedEvil | There is something wacky going on. (As expected. EOF from tar on image) |
| 11:46.36 | thp | Stskeeps: ok, so i should probably sync from the n950 to the n900 before and then back after the update |
| 11:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ du finished |
| 11:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | thp: this never occured to me :-) |
| 11:48.04 | djszapi | kkito: mmm, that is weird if N9 comes without google account as well. |
| 11:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | is going to try syncing N950 to N900 |
| 11:49.50 | MohammadAG | flashing |
| 11:50.01 | sandst1 | just booted |
| 11:50.21 | leinir | SpeedEvil: The size of the file, which is almost a hundred megs off :P |
| 11:50.57 | MohammadAG | wait wait wait |
| 11:51.02 | SpeedEvil | leinir: I figured it was like screws. |
| 11:51.04 | MohammadAG | where are the backups stored? |
| 11:51.09 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: heh, you're fucked |
| 11:51.10 | SpeedEvil | leinir: They always put too many of them in |
| 11:51.13 | sandst1 | MohammadAG: ~/MyDocs/.backups |
| 11:51.18 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: OCF will prolly kill it |
| 11:51.30 | leinir | SpeedEvil: ;) |
| 11:51.32 | thp | time for a reflash .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf9rEPoc8Q |
| 11:51.34 | MohammadAG | phew |
| 11:51.52 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, copied MyDocs, thought they were in ~/.Backups or something |
| 11:52.04 | djszapi | MyDocs/.backup/Backups* |
| 11:54.40 | sandst1 | oh btw. what's the default root pwd for the image? :D |
| 11:54.48 | sandst1 | ah |
| 11:54.50 | sandst1 | rootme |
| 11:54.51 | SpeedEvil | It was rootme |
| 11:55.33 | djszapi | sandst1: too much R&D root password usage syndrome ? :p |
| 11:55.41 | sandst1 | djszapi: could be ; P |
| 11:56.11 | MohammadAG | why does it erase rather than flashing on top? |
| 11:57.05 | frals | emmc layout may have changed and best to have a clean slate ;) |
| 11:57.37 | djszapi | MohammadAG: how was this in case of the N900 ? |
| 11:57.52 | MohammadAG | djszapi, it just flashed and that took like 2 minutes |
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| 12:03.12 | w00t | MohammadAG: partitions/etc and MMC content changed since the first release, iirc |
| 12:04.36 | *** part/#harmattan jkt_ (~jkt@latimerie.flaska.net) |
| 12:04.49 | thp | can somebody please check if the md5sum on http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page is correct and maybe add the win and mac flasher md5sums? i haven't downloaded them |
| 12:04.51 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: ping |
| 12:05.08 | achipa | Venemo_webchat: re-pong |
| 12:05.59 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: if my N950 begun displaying pixel errors, can I have the screen replaced? what is the correct procedure in such a case? |
| 12:06.08 | achipa | yikes |
| 12:06.34 | achipa | the procedure is that you send it back to nokia developer :S |
| 12:06.56 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: and Nokia Developer will send me a new one? or? |
| 12:08.25 | MohammadAG | keyboard looks weird |
| 12:08.49 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: I'm just asking because I'm really unfamiliar with how these things work. this is my first developer program ever :) |
| 12:10.48 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 12:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | bug: in old firmware contacts-show-group says "no members" though the group evidently has members I assigned to it |
| 12:11.28 | RST38h | New firmware? |
| 12:11.45 | Venemo_webchat | RST38h: yeee :) |
| 12:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | haha, it nevertheless shows "message" and "mail" buttons above "no members". Clicking the "message" button adds all 4 group members to "To:" |
| 12:16.11 | Venemo_webchat | hmm, flasher is weird... "Erasing, this may take a while." |
| 12:16.15 | Venemo_webchat | and it indeed takes a while |
| 12:16.30 | kkito | Venemo_webchat: yes, it takes a lot of time |
| 12:17.20 | Venemo_webchat | by this time, N900 would have been fully flashed |
| 12:17.21 | Venemo_webchat | twice. |
| 12:17.22 | RST38h | Lots of flash in there |
| 12:17.25 | Venemo_webchat | :D |
| 12:17.42 | Venemo_webchat | Anyway, this new image also seems to be quite old. |
| 12:18.03 | Venemo_webchat | week 34 was a while ago. |
| 12:18.11 | djszapi | 3 |
| 12:18.14 | alterego | What's the checksum for the latest image then? |
| 12:18.22 | Stskeeps | Venemo_webchat: fairly normal to branch at some point |
| 12:18.25 | alterego | It says 34-2 |
| 12:18.26 | RST38h | Changelist somewhere? |
| 12:18.31 | alterego | Ending in 88eb9 |
| 12:18.39 | djszapi | 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 |
| 12:18.46 | alterego | Cool, so I've got the right one. |
| 12:18.50 | Venemo_webchat | alterego: you can check on the "N950 landing page" |
| 12:20.05 | alterego | flashes |
| 12:20.44 | leinir | So... some people on Linux have got it, some have not? |
| 12:21.59 | Venemo_webchat | is still staring at "Erasing, this may take a while" |
| 12:22.08 | alterego | Yeah me too :) |
| 12:22.39 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: so, could you please give an answer to my question? |
| 12:22.48 | djszapi | Venemo_webchat: wikipage, you need to know it by heart :p |
| 12:22.56 | kkito | trying to add google account using mc-tool but it seems that is not working with the latest fw ? |
| 12:22.57 | Summeli | Venemo_webchat: indeed still "Erasing.." |
| 12:22.59 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: ?? |
| 12:23.10 | djszapi | Venemo_webchat: the checksum :p |
| 12:23.14 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: yeah |
| 12:23.19 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: that's what I said |
| 12:24.57 | djszapi | kkito: so no telepathy-gabble installed ? |
| 12:25.01 | kkito | my fault, is working like beofre |
| 12:25.52 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/t/telepathy-gabble/ -> seems to be there, at least that one. |
| 12:27.16 | kkito | djszapi: yes, it works. It was my fault :P |
| 12:27.34 | djszapi | account-plugin-google* |
| 12:27.36 | djszapi | oh okay.. :) |
| 12:27.42 | RST38h | So, no changelog or review of changes so far? |
| 12:27.54 | djszapi | that was even earlier there than the image itself :p |
| 12:28.02 | Venemo_webchat | RST38h: release notes: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html |
| 12:28.09 | RST38h | Venemo; ! thanks |
| 12:28.31 | Summeli | how long the erasing takes :D |
| 12:28.37 | Venemo_webchat | Summeli: VERY |
| 12:28.57 | Summeli | ... maybe hasn't failed yet... |
| 12:29.09 | Venemo_webchat | yeaaahh... mine is still erasing too |
| 12:29.13 | djszapi | I think it should not be much longer than 10-15 minutes. |
| 12:29.41 | Venemo_webchat | it's been doing it for 14 minutes |
| 12:29.48 | Summeli | It's 10 minutes for me now |
| 12:29.57 | djszapi | yeah, that is normal so far |
| 12:29.59 | Venemo_webchat | ok, and now it's actually doing somethin |
| 12:30.18 | Venemo_webchat | N950 also displays a progress display |
| 12:30.25 | SpeedEvil | Argh. |
| 12:30.31 | SpeedEvil | I just downloaded win_och |
| 12:30.32 | SpeedEvil | f |
| 12:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 12:31.11 | alterego | Seems like a lifetime |
| 12:31.15 | RST38h | politely asks if the boot loader bug preventing custom kernels is gone now |
| 12:31.33 | Venemo_webchat | ok, booting now |
| 12:31.56 | Venemo_webchat | RST38h: there is either no public list of the issues fixed, or I haven't found it yet |
| 12:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | my sip clients: Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.7 sofia-sip/1.12.11devel Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 sofia-sip/1.12.10devel Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.4 sofia-sip/1.12.8 Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2 sofia-sip/1.12.10devel \o/ |
| 12:32.52 | Venemo_webchat | OMG! N950 speaks Hungarian! |
| 12:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 12:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Downloading won't give me anything but the 488M one |
| 12:33.15 | RST38h | Add blood! |
| 12:33.32 | Venemo_webchat | quickly switches back to English |
| 12:33.35 | gri | actually speaks or writes? :) |
| 12:33.40 | Venemo_webchat | gri: lol |
| 12:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | understands? |
| 12:34.18 | Venemo_webchat | no comment. |
| 12:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | "Computer!" |
| 12:34.30 | Venemo_webchat | but it seems to be working |
| 12:34.53 | Venemo_webchat | must try the landscape homescreens hack |
| 12:34.56 | RST38h | "Ordinator!" |
| 12:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | "Doc, use the keyboard!" |
| 12:35.02 | Summeli | ok, now it's flashed |
| 12:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | slides out keyboard: "Computer!!" |
| 12:35.59 | alterego | Ooo, like the progress indicators :) |
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| 12:36.44 | Sput | is there an easy way to re-install the developer tools with the new firmware? according to the release notes, they're not part of the firmware |
| 12:36.46 | Venemo_webchat | ok, enabling developer mode now |
| 12:36.58 | Venemo_webchat | Sput: yes, the relnotes tell you how |
| 12:37.16 | Sput | ah, just enabling the switch is enough? |
| 12:37.50 | Venemo_webchat | Sput: enabling the switch will make the device install all necessary stuff |
| 12:37.58 | Venemo_webchat | Sput: it's doing this for me right now |
| 12:38.07 | Sput | cool |
| 12:38.07 | Sput | thx |
| 12:38.30 | Tronic | Is there a working landscape homescreen hack already? |
| 12:38.43 | Tronic | The redraw bug is very annoying. |
| 12:39.02 | Venemo_webchat | Tronic: I'll check that as soon as it completes installing the dev mode |
| 12:39.07 | gri | So what's lost when doing the upgrade? Does it erase all? Does the backup work? |
| 12:39.12 | Venemo_webchat | hmm... swipe down to close is still not there |
| 12:39.16 | Venemo_webchat | or not enabled? |
| 12:39.26 | Tronic | Actually I'd prefer if the icons rotated instead of the entire screen. That way the layout could be preserved. |
| 12:39.28 | Kaadlajk | Venemo_webchat: device -> display |
| 12:39.34 | Kaadlajk | there is a switch for that |
| 12:39.37 | Kaadlajk | or should be :P |
| 12:39.40 | Tronic | (but I guess that cannot be done with the stock UI elements) |
| 12:39.43 | macmaN | Kaadlajk: so it *is* there on n950 now? |
| 12:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Are n9s actually in customers hands? |
| 12:40.09 | djszapi | SpeedEvil: no |
| 12:40.14 | djszapi | I mean not in Finland, at least. |
| 12:40.14 | Kaadlajk | macmaN: not sure, I only have N9 with internal image |
| 12:40.32 | djszapi | Kaadlajk: I do not see such an option even inside the internal image, what is the option name ? |
| 12:40.38 | Tronic | Well, they are available for testing in stores but you cannot buy it yet. |
| 12:41.16 | Kaadlajk | djszapi: guess it is removed in newer images when it is on by default |
| 12:41.18 | Kaadlajk | i dont have it either |
| 12:42.11 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: THX! |
| 12:42.21 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.25 | MohammadAG | it feels a bit hacky |
| 12:42.29 | MohammadAG | well, its implementation anyway |
| 12:42.35 | alterego | Ooo, "swipe down to close app" :) |
| 12:42.55 | Kaadlajk | you can also tweak the swipe with config file |
| 12:43.08 | Kaadlajk | so when you swipe left it goes to feed and swipe from right to switcher |
| 12:43.09 | MohammadAG | yeah, there's an ovi store app for that apparently |
| 12:43.11 | Kaadlajk | for example |
| 12:43.21 | MohammadAG | kinda takes away the simplicity though |
| 12:43.28 | alterego | Oooo, haptics :) |
| 12:43.33 | MohammadAG | what haptics? |
| 12:43.48 | *** join/#harmattan Evgeniy (~degtep@93.88.184.11) |
| 12:44.00 | alterego | On the onscreen kbd |
| 12:44.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, those were always there... |
| 12:44.50 | macmaN | i think some cache has fubared the linux image |
| 12:44.53 | alterego | Not for me ... |
| 12:44.59 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 12:45.00 | djszapi | interesting, the characters are still a bit blurred if I swipe the app launcher screen. |
| 12:45.06 | MohammadAG | but they were stronger and better on level 3 |
| 12:45.09 | MohammadAG | now they're meh |
| 12:45.22 | *** join/#harmattan mece (~mwikstro@mariehamn.abo.fi) |
| 12:45.27 | mece | hey |
| 12:45.33 | Kaadlajk | ~/.config/mcompositor/mcompsitor.conf has the swipe actions if you want to modify them |
| 12:45.39 | mece | I hope this thing will stop erasing soon... |
| 12:45.49 | djszapi | mece: no, never :) |
| 12:45.58 | *** join/#harmattan artemma (~artemma@d85-194-229-245.cust.wlannet.com) |
| 12:46.10 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 12:46.10 | macmaN | hopefully i can trust this shitty os x with the flashing job |
| 12:46.14 | mece | anyone managed to flash new firmware? How long did the erasing bit take? |
| 12:46.17 | artemma | Hooray! |
| 12:46.21 | MohammadAG | View header example now in widgets gallery |
| 12:46.27 | artemma | is happy to see the new firmware |
| 12:46.28 | macmaN | mece: someone said 30-40min |
| 12:46.28 | djszapi | mece: 10-15 minutes |
| 12:46.35 | mece | okay |
| 12:46.38 | macmaN | oh ok |
| 12:46.40 | djszapi | 30-40 ??? |
| 12:46.51 | macmaN | dunno, it's in the scrollback |
| 12:46.58 | artemma | Even the previous FW erasing time varied hugely. Once it was a couple of min for me, another time - about 20 min |
| 12:47.00 | macmaN | but whatever, not important, if its 15 its 15 |
| 12:47.01 | mece | about 11 minutes for me now, no sign of life |
| 12:47.14 | djszapi | mece: normal |
| 12:47.18 | mece | yepyep |
| 12:47.26 | artemma | *maybe* it depends on amount of data in the phone |
| 12:47.36 | mece | am a bit anxious since I don't have another phone with me today... |
| 12:47.42 | alterego | Oooo, angry birds |
| 12:47.50 | djszapi | maybe usb 1.1 |
| 12:47.50 | SpeedEvil | tries with opera. |
| 12:48.00 | mece | artemma, I had 3 gigs free... |
| 12:48.01 | artemma | anybody tried new FW already? Is it noticeably better? |
| 12:48.11 | mece | angry birds!!!! |
| 12:48.13 | mece | ftfw! |
| 12:48.16 | djszapi | artemma: definitely. |
| 12:48.24 | mece | man I want this to be done fracking now! |
| 12:48.32 | vladest | hi guys. stupid question - have I turn off the n950 before reflashing? |
| 12:48.34 | macmaN | great. mac image is also incomplete. |
| 12:48.57 | mece | vladest, yes. |
| 12:49.03 | artemma | I am particularly interested in the browser improvements. Browser in the old FW wasn't that good with multiple windows management (though it's UX issue, not bugs) |
| 12:49.04 | djszapi | vladest: I guess you can reboot it by the option as well R |
| 12:49.15 | mece | omg now things are happening! \o/ |
| 12:49.15 | djszapi | -R* |
| 12:49.28 | mece | nice with the output actually! |
| 12:49.46 | Sput | wonders why the newly installed Ovi Suite on the laptop claims that the N950 isn't supported, but still managed to backup its content on the very first run (and since then, refuses to connect) - while the Ovi Suite on the other box can handle the N950 just fine |
| 12:49.52 | vladest | mece: djszapi thanks |
| 12:49.52 | artemma | reads the announcement details."Developer Edition' marking and the SDK installer have been removed." - WTF?? |
| 12:50.07 | MohammadAG | oh hey |
| 12:50.08 | artemma | no developer mode anymore or just no marking? |
| 12:50.09 | MohammadAG | sim toolkit |
| 12:50.10 | mece | vladest, read the instructions on the developer web page |
| 12:50.18 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo_webchat (98429b71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.66.155.113) |
| 12:50.21 | MohammadAG | you don't see those nowadays |
| 12:50.27 | Venemo_webchat | stupid MeeGo! |
| 12:50.32 | mece | oo there's a progress bar. It's blue |
| 12:50.40 | Venemo_webchat | when I connected the N950 with SDK mode, it lost the wireless connection |
| 12:50.53 | mece | booting up |
| 12:50.56 | MohammadAG | yeah... SDK mode isn't there for me anymore |
| 12:51.02 | Venemo_webchat | ok |
| 12:51.14 | Venemo_webchat | landscape homescreen hack WORKS, BUT THE REDRAW ISSUE IS STILL THERE |
| 12:51.23 | artemma | hmm.. But I still can connect to Qt Creator and run apps on the phone right? |
| 12:51.28 | MohammadAG | probably cause it's a hack :P |
| 12:51.32 | dm8tbr | can I have a pointer to that hack please? :) |
| 12:51.36 | vladest | there is no Harmattan section anymore at http://library.developer.nokia.com/ |
| 12:51.39 | gri | Did anyone flash with windows? My flasher doesn't even extract and is stuck at 0 % |
| 12:51.53 | Venemo_webchat | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24933&postcount=14 |
| 12:52.25 | Venemo_webchat | frals said it's been fixed... maybe it's fixed in an even newer release... |
| 12:53.23 | djszapi | Venemo_webchat: please please say say you wanna have a sw update already xD |
| 12:53.26 | alterego | Hah, just noticed, no "DEVELOPER EDITION" |
| 12:54.12 | artemma | mece: release announcement: "eMMC erase may fail in some devices (see One Click Flasher release notes for details)" |
| 12:54.13 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: yeah, I want this annoying bug to be fixed. |
| 12:54.25 | SpeedEvil | gri: I'm failing with linux here. |
| 12:54.38 | SpeedEvil | (servers keep offering up a truncated version) |
| 12:54.39 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: seems that noone at Nokia cares about it, so it probably will never ever be fixed. |
| 12:54.44 | mece | artemma, it was successful for me. took 16 minutes |
| 12:54.51 | artemma | good |
| 12:55.30 | gri | SpeedEvil: Didn't think of that but my file is not even 500 mb as stated on the site |
| 12:55.45 | macmaN | SpeedEvil: same :/ |
| 12:56.44 | Kaadlajk | Venemo_webchat: any pics of the redraw issue? |
| 12:56.48 | Venemo_webchat | gri: that's wrong then |
| 12:56.54 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: see the topic from my link |
| 12:57.20 | alterego | Is it me or have they changed the system font |
| 12:57.38 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3756&page=4 |
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| 12:57.54 | Venemo_webchat | alterego: it seems to be more refined, yes |
| 12:58.04 | Kaadlajk | Venemo_webchat: does that happen everytime |
| 12:58.28 | alterego | Nokia Pure |
| 12:58.32 | alterego | The video is installed too |
| 12:58.39 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: yes it happens for me, everytime. |
| 12:58.40 | alterego | Funny, inkscape on Windows Vista |
| 12:58.50 | kkito | wtf, after reflashing, all the stuff that i bough is not there... |
| 12:59.08 | alterego | kkito: you need to redownload it all, the flasher said it would wipe everything |
| 12:59.12 | Kaadlajk | Venemo_webchat: tried it on my N9 with newer firmware, cant reproduce |
| 12:59.24 | kkito | alterego: yeah, but it seems that i need to re-pay |
| 12:59.37 | mece | no skype |
| 12:59.41 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: let's hope then that the new firmware will solve it |
| 12:59.45 | alterego | eek |
| 12:59.47 | Venemo_webchat | wants a new firmware for the N950 |
| 12:59.49 | alterego | You shouldn't have to |
| 13:00.03 | alterego | It should be attached to your login. Maybe send an email to the support address. |
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| 13:00.12 | ajalkane | is there swype in new fw? |
| 13:00.17 | djszapi | kkito: no need to re-pay |
| 13:00.18 | Venemo_webchat | Kaadlajk: indeed week 34 was quite a long time ago :) |
| 13:00.49 | kkito | djszapi: sure? because it shows inly the pay button on items that i have already payed |
| 13:00.57 | kkito | bought |
| 13:01.00 | kkito | fuck! |
| 13:01.01 | Summeli | ok installing the development mode now |
| 13:01.11 | Kaadlajk | Venemo_webchat: also week34 isnt when the last patches got in |
| 13:01.26 | Summeli | hopefully it'll work as well as the developer edition :) |
| 13:01.38 | mece | I'd really like some im clients. |
| 13:01.42 | Venemo_webchat | I've never understood this. why can't they give us the newest stuff. |
| 13:01.48 | ajalkane | Interesting, why so old fw |
| 13:01.50 | djszapi | kkito: well, at least 34-1 works here as expected. user can re-download 5 times, |
| 13:01.57 | alterego | checks out twitter app |
| 13:02.32 | gri | Windows link always downloads 494 mb instead of 581 offered on the site :/ Taking the mac one now and grab a usb stick :) |
| 13:02.51 | Venemo_webchat | gri: use Linux :P |
| 13:02.56 | kkito | djszapi: It seems that is working for pinball fantasies, but not for other games that i bought |
| 13:02.57 | macmaN | gri: i also got an invalid mac download |
| 13:03.05 | SpeedEvil | I assume there is no way to trigger OTA update? |
| 13:03.12 | gri | Venemo_webchat: Linux is only available in a vm for me ... |
| 13:03.16 | SpeedEvil | settings->applications->update does nothing |
| 13:03.17 | Venemo_webchat | SpeedEvil: I wouldn't bet on it |
| 13:03.18 | macmaN | SpeedEvil: update doesnt find anything for me |
| 13:03.20 | mece | Only 5 times?? |
| 13:03.21 | Venemo_webchat | gri: use a live cd then |
| 13:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_webchat: I can't get a linux version |
| 13:03.34 | Venemo_webchat | SpeedEvil: why not? |
| 13:03.39 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_webchat: 488M |
| 13:03.42 | djszapi | kimju: "As long as the item is still available, you can re-download it up to 10 times by signing into Ovi Store and accessing My Stuff. Each re-download has a 100 minute window." |
| 13:03.45 | Venemo_webchat | hmm |
| 13:03.46 | macmaN | maybe there's some way to bypass the cdn |
| 13:04.00 | alterego | Shut down time for new firware is amazing. |
| 13:04.10 | alterego | ~firmware |
| 13:04.10 | infobot | well, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ |
| 13:04.12 | SpeedEvil | I _hate_ the shutdown behaviour - has it changed? |
| 13:04.17 | *** join/#harmattan NeoNoir (~ircchatte@hide02.efif.dk) |
| 13:04.27 | alterego | And I'm happpy now I have twitter feed in notifications view :D |
| 13:04.36 | djszapi | kkito: In case you have lost any purchased content items in your My Stuff, for example because the item has been unpublished and removed from Ovi Store, please contact Nokia Care for further assistance. (http://nokia.com/support and choose Contact Us). Give a short problem description, your Ovi username and the name of the content item you wish to re-download. |
| 13:04.37 | SpeedEvil | I've accidentally shut it off a couple of times now, while reading books |
| 13:04.56 | alterego | eh? how? |
| 13:05.08 | mece | alterego, for me it's pretty useless. Means all facebook events will drown completely |
| 13:05.10 | kimju | djszapi, ? |
| 13:05.29 | *** join/#harmattan smoku (~smoku@93.159.54.194) |
| 13:05.32 | alterego | Mek: I'm happy with that ;) |
| 13:05.33 | Venemo_webchat | MUHAHAHAHAA browser still can't open https://meego.com |
| 13:05.44 | mece | Venemo_webchat, aw crap! |
| 13:05.48 | mece | ffs |
| 13:05.50 | kkito | djszapi: the item is not removed from store, the item is there, but i cannot download the item without buying again it |
| 13:06.00 | RST38h | Gentlemen, has anyone managed to view a Google Reader combined RSS feed on your N950? |
| 13:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore alterego |
| 13:06.02 | infobot | error: chan #harmattan is invalid. |
| 13:06.05 | kkito | i don't want to pay two times for the same thing |
| 13:06.21 | RST38h | I tried adding the feed URL, but N950 keeps saying it is invalid |
| 13:06.23 | mece | lol |
| 13:06.26 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: :P |
| 13:06.28 | djszapi | kkito: again, please follow my instructions. |
| 13:06.29 | kkito | the same thing that i pay 3 ⬠when it is 0.60 in other stores |
| 13:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: wait a minute, I'll fix that if you want |
| 13:06.47 | RST38h | Venemo: Well, it is not Meego browser. It is Maemo6. |
| 13:07.01 | Venemo_webchat | RST38h: I'm aware |
| 13:07.12 | mece | Why is meego.com such a problem? |
| 13:07.58 | Venemo_webchat | mece: because I want to login to meego forums and that's impossible |
| 13:08.21 | RST38h | Venemo: were going to gloat? =) |
| 13:08.43 | djszapi | what is meego ? |
| 13:08.52 | Venemo_webchat | RST38h: nope, this is just an old bug, I checked whether it's still there. |
| 13:08.56 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi :) |
| 13:09.27 | MohammadAG | SSL handshakes fail? |
| 13:09.38 | djszapi | ssl works fine for other sites |
| 13:09.40 | Venemo_webchat | MohammadAG: this time, no specific error message |
| 13:09.56 | RST38h | they do work but not always |
| 13:10.12 | *** join/#harmattan crevetor (~antoine@bureau.ubity.com) |
| 13:10.19 | djszapi | as for me, always |
| 13:10.43 | kkito | djszapi: your instructions? Contacting nokia care? |
| 13:10.59 | djszapi | kkito: yes, what else could you do, seriously ? |
| 13:11.01 | Venemo_webchat | djszapi: yeah, everyone knows that you are on a superduper internal new firmware, which has the fixes for every bug we suffer from :) |
| 13:11.23 | djszapi | Venemo_webchat: it is actually from the first public image. I could visit the company site and other https sites always |
| 13:11.27 | RST38h | Venemo: and also lets you do whatever you want with aegis running |
| 13:11.30 | Venemo_webchat | ok, seems that new firmware CAN restore from the old backup |
| 13:11.35 | kkito | djszapi: Do not buy enithing else |
| 13:11.44 | kkito | and pirate the software |
| 13:11.55 | MohammadAG | oh god |
| 13:11.59 | djszapi | kkito: oh yeah, that helps so much about the software you bought, seriously. |
| 13:12.05 | MohammadAG | aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec is dead |
| 13:12.12 | MohammadAG | so bye bye to freedom |
| 13:12.16 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: did you enable developer mode? |
| 13:12.26 | MohammadAG | obviously |
| 13:12.30 | MohammadAG | it says Permission denied |
| 13:12.37 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: do you have security lock? |
| 13:12.51 | MohammadAG | as in a lock code? |
| 13:12.52 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 13:13.02 | Stskeeps | that might be why then |
| 13:13.06 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 13:13.19 | Stskeeps | at least security lock even messes up kernel flashing :P |
| 13:13.22 | mece | MohammadAG, you need yo run devel-sh also |
| 13:13.28 | MohammadAG | mece, duh |
| 13:13.33 | alterego | Ooo, wifi hotspot :) |
| 13:13.43 | djszapi | mece: you mean develsh ;) |
| 13:14.02 | vladest | forgot to save a lot of photos from my n950 before reflash. stupid, stupid me :( |
| 13:14.04 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, permission denied |
| 13:14.06 | mece | damn restoring stuff fucked everything up, and now nothing works. |
| 13:14.08 | MohammadAG | dmesg no longer works too |
| 13:14.15 | MohammadAG | so yeah, bye bye freedom |
| 13:14.29 | djszapi | yes, but I said the dmesg stuff actually quite while back |
| 13:14.39 | mece | WHYYYYY???? |
| 13:14.44 | vladest | wonder how dmesg related to freedom |
| 13:14.47 | MohammadAG | aegis was fixed apparently |
| 13:14.54 | mece | ffs |
| 13:15.04 | MohammadAG | vladest, well, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec is freedom |
| 13:15.06 | djszapi | vladest: same question here, has nothing to do with freedom |
| 13:15.09 | kimju | did dmesg work at some point? |
| 13:15.13 | djszapi | yes |
| 13:15.15 | vladest | MohammadAG: have you installed devtools back? |
| 13:15.15 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 13:15.21 | djszapi | unneccesarily |
| 13:16.12 | kimju | nice, diginotar certs are still in device |
| 13:16.55 | achipa | Venemo_webchat: yes, if they have any spares left, they should replace it |
| 13:16.55 | MohammadAG | I just checked developer mode again |
| 13:17.02 | MohammadAG | all tools say "Install" instead of Installed |
| 13:17.07 | MohammadAG | and they won't install, missing packages |
| 13:17.09 | vladest | booting... |
| 13:17.10 | Venemo_webchat | kimju: remember, this firmware was made BEFORE that diginotar issue |
| 13:17.16 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: and whast happens if they don't? |
| 13:17.29 | Venemo_webchat | s/whast/what |
| 13:17.33 | achipa | well, ask first |
| 13:17.49 | achipa | nora should know |
| 13:17.58 | Milhouse | Has anyone tried syncing an N950 -> N900 before flashing? Did the N900 get all updates on the N950? |
| 13:18.00 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: I'm not familiar with nora |
| 13:18.31 | mece | gaah |
| 13:18.49 | mece | restoring accounts results in unusable twitter and facebook clients. |
| 13:18.58 | Venemo_webchat | mece: hmmmm |
| 13:19.03 | kimju | btw, has anyone else seen anything like this: http://metadreams.net/~kimju/tmp/n950_font_corruption.jpg |
| 13:19.40 | achipa | Venemo_webchat: nora.seppala@nok... |
| 13:20.16 | achipa | or just use the DDP mails |
| 13:20.39 | Venemo_webchat | achipa: ok, I'll contact Nora then. |
| 13:21.25 | kkito | thats fun, i get a 404 Error - File not Found when clicking into the nokai care link |
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| 13:21.38 | RST38h | Stskeeps: so, will this firmware version allow for custom kernels? |
| 13:21.47 | RST38h | With aegis disabled, preferably? |
| 13:21.53 | Stskeeps | RST38h: AFAIK, of course, we're going to ask someone to volunteer |
| 13:21.54 | Venemo_webchat | probably not |
| 13:21.57 | Stskeeps | but the version i have, it does |
| 13:22.18 | RST38h | Yooohooo |
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| 13:22.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm not saying harmattan would work, though :P |
| 13:22.39 | RST38h | Stskeeps <-- evl |
| 13:22.44 | RST38h | evil |
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| 13:25.37 | crevetor | Hi |
| 13:25.55 | crevetor | Does the FW update erase everything ? |
| 13:26.00 | Venemo_webchat | ok, I need to leave now |
| 13:26.01 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 13:26.02 | Venemo_webchat | ttyl |
| 13:26.14 | crevetor | ok |
| 13:26.34 | mece | MohammadAG, devtools-utilities seems to install ok... |
| 13:27.10 | *** join/#harmattan hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 13:27.40 | macmaN_ | so how the heck am i supposed to download a non-incomplete firmware image.. |
| 13:27.44 | hiemanshu | anyone tried the new FW? |
| 13:27.54 | RST38h | take a guess |
| 13:27.54 | mece | crap what's the root password again? |
| 13:27.59 | macmaN_ | rootme |
| 13:28.04 | djszapi | hiemanshu: nobody, we did not dare xD |
| 13:28.07 | djszapi | mece: same |
| 13:28.29 | hiemanshu | oh |
| 13:28.37 | crevetor | Anyone has a good way to export contacts ? |
| 13:28.50 | hiemanshu | I am at home without a decent connection, cant download anything till tomorrow morning |
| 13:28.54 | Sput | hmm. why does the new firmware refuse to create or restore backups? |
| 13:28.55 | djszapi | crevetor: same the backup folder. |
| 13:28.58 | djszapi | save* |
| 13:29.03 | hiemanshu | crevetor: there is no goodway except backup |
| 13:29.16 | artemma | crevetor: I am using Google contacts for it. Meaning that phone is *not* the primary contacts storage for me |
| 13:29.23 | artemma | Outlook contacts would work even better |
| 13:29.31 | Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2557522 |
| 13:29.35 | Stskeeps | is a tool someone introduced this morning |
| 13:29.40 | djszapi | hiemanshu: heh, my patches were not still merged into irc-chatter |
| 13:30.09 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I have been busy with moving places, and then work, so no time for me, and I still haven't got internet at the new place, so there is nothing I can do :P |
| 13:30.44 | hiemanshu | the ISP said 10 days, its been 12, and they closed the request without doing anything, screwed the managers and what not, still no go, will have to change ISP |
| 13:30.46 | crevetor | thansk Stskeeps |
| 13:31.16 | djszapi | crevetor: I would trust a for loop and an "official" export than that tool personally. |
| 13:31.34 | crevetor | lol |
| 13:31.36 | crevetor | ok |
| 13:31.44 | mece | backup and copy backup file works fine tho. |
| 13:31.56 | crevetor | I think I'll just export my contacts to my sim card that way I know there "safe" |
| 13:32.21 | djszapi | well, I would still export it to a laptop or desktop PC for backup |
| 13:32.29 | hiemanshu | crevetor: or just have em in sync with another phone |
| 13:32.56 | hiemanshu | I have it in sync with N900, I add contacts on the N900, sync it with the N950 if I need that contact on the N950 too |
| 13:33.59 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.09 | crevetor | hiemanshu: true |
| 13:34.12 | hiemanshu | it did before too |
| 13:34.22 | MohammadAG | not that kind |
| 13:34.34 | MohammadAG | the backend used to crash |
| 13:34.36 | RST38h | hm |
| 13:34.36 | MohammadAG | now the UI hangs |
| 13:34.49 | hiemanshu | ah lol |
| 13:34.58 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: do we have talk yet? or twitter? |
| 13:35.11 | djszapi | yes |
| 13:35.18 | MohammadAG | twitter |
| 13:35.35 | mece | twitter client is there |
| 13:35.53 | mece | unfortunately it stopped working after I restored accounts, so I can't use it anymore :/ |
| 13:36.07 | hiemanshu | no XMPP though? |
| 13:36.12 | mece | apparently not |
| 13:36.16 | mece | no skype either |
| 13:36.17 | hiemanshu | hah |
| 13:36.24 | djszapi | hiemanshu: well, telepathy-gabble is available at least |
| 13:36.39 | hiemanshu | meeh |
| 13:36.47 | mece | djszapi, what does that do? |
| 13:36.48 | hiemanshu | meh* |
| 13:36.54 | djszapi | also, I do wonder how gtalk could be available on 34-1, but not on 34-2 |
| 13:36.58 | djszapi | this is full of wonder to me |
| 13:37.05 | djszapi | I will seriously check it out myself, I cannot belive it |
| 13:37.08 | djszapi | believe, even* |
| 13:37.23 | MohammadAG | well, N950 overheating again |
| 13:37.36 | mece | that never happened to me |
| 13:37.38 | RST38h | Mohammad: Ovi login? |
| 13:37.46 | RST38h | Tends to run in a loop |
| 13:37.47 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it's just sitting there |
| 13:37.51 | alterego | Neat, wifi hotspot works perfectly :D |
| 13:38.13 | MohammadAG | wonder if I should ask Nokia what to do |
| 13:38.17 | djszapi | kkito: you said gtalk worked ? |
| 13:38.24 | MohammadAG | I'd disassemble it or send it in for a replacement |
| 13:38.30 | alterego | Check the battery |
| 13:38.38 | alterego | What does it say in settings for battery health? |
| 13:38.44 | MohammadAG | I'm not voiding the no warranty it comes with |
| 13:38.48 | MohammadAG | Good |
| 13:38.53 | hiemanshu | my N950 would randomly overheat and die |
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| 13:39.09 | MohammadAG | well, mine overheated to the point I killed it before it died |
| 13:39.17 | MohammadAG | we have a cssu cloak now? nice |
| 13:39.36 | djszapi | mece: please paste the output of this command to an external site and then show me: "dpkg -l \*account-plugin-google\*" |
| 13:39.37 | RST38h | moo, rm_work |
| 13:39.57 | rm_work | yo RST |
| 13:40.02 | RST38h | Mohammad: I only had it heat up once, and that was due to a runaway process. Sure there are no stray processes there? |
| 13:40.07 | RST38h | Just idle overheating? |
| 13:40.09 | MohammadAG | k, it's overheating a lot now |
| 13:40.29 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: put it in the freezer |
| 13:40.43 | macmaN_ | htop? |
| 13:40.51 | MohammadAG | already checked it |
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| 13:41.06 | MohammadAG | it's nothing in the software, and it was flashed like an hour ago |
| 13:41.19 | crevetor | Where's the backup file ? |
| 13:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so what's state of your relaxed-exec now? |
| 13:41.35 | djszapi | ~/MyDocs/.backups/Backups* |
| 13:41.40 | crevetor | ok thanks |
| 13:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's about killing aegis? |
| 13:41.49 | kkito | djszapi: Gtalk works adding the account using "mc-tool" |
| 13:41.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not so relaxing |
| 13:42.05 | djszapi | kkito: ahhh, so "dpkg -l \*account-plugin-google\*" says they are not installed ? |
| 13:42.23 | kkito | djszapi: yes, it is not installed, and it is not in the servers |
| 13:42.38 | djszapi | I find it a big fail personally since I prefer gtalk the best for IMs. |
| 13:43.07 | djszapi | I will stay with 34-1 then... |
| 13:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | (what it got to do with freedom?) reply question: what got blocking dmesg to do with safety? |
| 13:43.35 | hiemanshu | djszapi: can we have 34-1 please :D |
| 13:43.46 | MohammadAG | so I need some opinions |
| 13:43.47 | mece | the only im available is facebook and that happens to be the only im I don't use... |
| 13:43.59 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes aegis should die |
| 13:44.00 | MohammadAG | ask DDP for a replacement or wait for it to explode and claim 50 bucks? |
| 13:44.00 | hiemanshu | :P |
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| 13:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | wut?? |
| 13:44.26 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: it is not that hard question, no need for dmesg in comparison with the super rights it requires. |
| 13:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | 50 bucks? |
| 13:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 13:45.00 | mece | "Sorry, can't connecto to twitter" |
| 13:45.01 | MohammadAG | I thought we get 50 bucks if the device does something bad to us |
| 13:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: is this how you sell your safety concept to the managers? |
| 13:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | sound rationale |
| 13:45.43 | MohammadAG | so yeah, explode or replacement? |
| 13:45.44 | mece | sounds like apple |
| 13:45.59 | djszapi | I fail to see why we should have super powa thing if we do not even need that tool |
| 13:46.01 | MohammadAG | k, I'm turning it off till it cools down |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | I fail to see why djszapi is up to decide what "we" need |
| 13:47.04 | djszapi | it is not about djszapi or DocScrutinizer, you can get those information anyways |
| 13:47.08 | djszapi | please do not get personal. |
| 13:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | and how safety is defined as "djszapi says we don't need it" |
| 13:47.34 | mece | djszapi, could you tell us who is responsible then? |
| 13:47.47 | djszapi | mece: responsible for what ? |
| 13:48.02 | mece | djszapi, the "security" framework |
| 13:48.38 | djszapi | sorry, but what is your purpose ? Not clear to me. |
| 13:48.52 | mece | djszapi, to complain |
| 13:51.23 | djszapi | I think a good understanding helps more for you than complaining and make both parties angry unneccesarily. |
| 13:52.07 | RST38h | watches djszapi bring good undertsanding of device lockup to the unwashed masses, with certain amusement |
| 13:53.02 | mece | djszapi, ok then, explain why relaxed-exec is disabled in this firmware |
| 13:53.05 | RST38h | "No, you really do not need doors or windows. That little cat-sized trapdoor is sufficient. Why have a real door when the trapdoor is all you need?" |
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| 13:53.49 | RST38h | "After all, you can get food through it, and you can piss through it when necessary, and even remove fecal matter." |
| 13:54.08 | RST38h | So, why would you need a door *or*, God prohibit, a window? |
| 13:55.14 | djszapi | mece: we were not discussing relaxed-exec by any mean. I was talking about dmesg |
| 13:56.41 | mece | djszapi, ok, please explain why dmesg is not allowed then. |
| 13:56.52 | mtd | anyone know of a decent example of getting the current location from the command line? Ideally using python..... |
| 13:57.17 | flux | I guess in Linux dmesg is bundled with the same capability as some other interesting facilities |
| 13:57.19 | macmaN_ | current location? |
| 13:57.34 | djszapi | mtd print os.getcwd() |
| 13:57.49 | djszapi | mece: rather easy, it can be abused. |
| 13:58.07 | djszapi | and since syslog reads dmesg, and not the kernel memory directly, there is no real need for that. Just use syslog. |
| 13:58.17 | mece | djszapi, abused how? If I'd buy the device isn't it mine to abuse then? |
| 13:58.21 | djszapi | I really see no issues |
| 13:58.30 | djszapi | mece: is it a serious question ? |
| 13:58.38 | mece | djszapi, yes |
| 13:58.55 | djszapi | right, your device can be abused by others, not just you, if we allow that. |
| 14:00.17 | mece | djszapi, is the N9/50 somehow less secure than the N900 for example, so these extra measures needed to be taken? |
| 14:01.00 | mtd | djszapi: thanks, but I mean the latitude and longitude of the device. |
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| 14:01.46 | djszapi | mtd: lol, sorry :) |
| 14:02.04 | djszapi | mece: less secure ?? Opposite! |
| 14:02.25 | MohammadAG | that was a sarcastic question djszapi |
| 14:03.04 | mece | djszapi, I mean without aegis. Is the N9/50 less secure than the N900, so aegis needs to be used to make it secure enough? |
| 14:03.11 | hiemanshu | djszapi: is there a changelog for 34-2? |
| 14:03.25 | djszapi | hiemanshu: yes, it was available before the image.. |
| 14:03.35 | djszapi | mece: aegis is the security framework. N900 has no security. |
| 14:03.57 | djszapi | at least not an organized and well-thought security framework. Was not really the point that time back. |
| 14:03.59 | hiemanshu | djszapi: care to link, I cant find it, and no way to use a computer and look for it properly |
| 14:04.01 | mece | djszapi, so how could the N900 be released? |
| 14:04.09 | macmaN_ | was that some sort of a significant fail for the n900? |
| 14:04.42 | djszapi | macmaN_: yes, a mobile phone without security is a fail in my opinion. |
| 14:04.46 | djszapi | just consider windows... |
| 14:04.57 | mece | djszapi, this is not windows. |
| 14:05.10 | djszapi | mece: :)))) I could brick your device (N900) so easily... |
| 14:05.20 | djszapi | got your data, broke them, abuse it what not |
| 14:05.21 | mece | djszapi, how? |
| 14:05.25 | djszapi | :DDDDDDDd |
| 14:05.26 | MohammadAG | sorry, you can never brick the N900 |
| 14:05.35 | mece | what MohammadAG said |
| 14:05.52 | djszapi | mece: very very easily. I got enough experience in fixes we shipped here, seriously. |
| 14:05.56 | RST38h | djszapi: Please, do brick my N900 |
| 14:06.01 | mece | mine too |
| 14:06.04 | djszapi | very very basic attack holes in N900 |
| 14:06.09 | RST38h | Like rrrrrrrrrrright now! |
| 14:06.17 | mece | djszapi, what kind of holes? |
| 14:06.19 | RST38h | Do it! Please, DO IT! |
| 14:06.20 | MohammadAG | The only attack in the N900 was opened up by Nokia |
| 14:06.20 | djszapi | nobody did it != it is a forever life guarantee it is not gonna be done |
| 14:06.22 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I could find holes in aegis too |
| 14:06.25 | MohammadAG | and I decided to stay quiet about it |
| 14:06.37 | artemma | started the flashing process |
| 14:06.46 | djszapi | hiemanshu: please tell aegis holes. |
| 14:06.52 | djszapi | I would be delighted. |
| 14:06.58 | MohammadAG | delete Aegis file, there, I bricked your N950 |
| 14:06.59 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I said 'I could find ...' |
| 14:07.11 | macmaN_ | thinks Windows firmware is the only one that downloads correctly, so going to try VM flash |
| 14:07.19 | djszapi | hiemanshu: it is not just I "could", I "can". |
| 14:07.33 | djszapi | but I do not abuse that system my knowledge, like fight sports... |
| 14:07.41 | djszapi | with my knowledge* |
| 14:08.01 | gri | macmaN_: For me windows did not work, had to use mac |
| 14:08.07 | mece | djszapi, I doubt you could cause damage to my N900. |
| 14:08.18 | djszapi | mece: how much money do you put on that ? |
| 14:08.21 | macmaN_ | gri: what file size was your mac download |
| 14:08.27 | mece | djszapi, all the money I have. |
| 14:08.32 | NIN101 | grabs some popcorn and watches this discussion developing. |
| 14:08.36 | MohammadAG | I'd put 200 bucks |
| 14:08.41 | djszapi | mece: do you come to the meego conference in Oulu or to the Qt Developer Day ? |
| 14:08.56 | gri | macmaN_: 565 mb if I remember correctly, like stated on the site ... windows was 494 and 581 stated on the site |
| 14:08.59 | RST38h | Wait, he is not going to do it here, now, remotely? |
| 14:09.03 | djszapi | I think I would have money for good days xD xD |
| 14:09.07 | macmaN_ | gri: Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin 592303343 |
| 14:09.12 | mece | djszapi, obviously I'm not going to meet you. That would be ridiculous. It's not like I'm gonna meet up with evil hackers and let them break my phone |
| 14:09.15 | MohammadAG | I paid for remote hacking |
| 14:09.41 | djszapi | mece: well, I do not obviously reveal it for free |
| 14:09.59 | djszapi | not even sure for money though... |
| 14:10.01 | MohammadAG | there's a remote hole in the N900 |
| 14:10.02 | RST38h | 19.09.2011 16:58 608 707 222 Win_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.exe |
| 14:10.03 | mece | djszapi, ok but are you telling me you could do it right now? |
| 14:10.08 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: can we have Meego CE now? :D |
| 14:10.16 | MohammadAG | it was introduced in PR1.2 |
| 14:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | /kick $USER |
| 14:10.17 | RST38h | Dunno where 592 is coming from |
| 14:10.22 | djszapi | mece: if I could not, it would mean we did nothing in aegis. |
| 14:10.23 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: let's just verify it internally with this FW and then yes |
| 14:10.31 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: awesome! |
| 14:10.36 | mece | djszapi, I'm talking about my N900 |
| 14:10.37 | MohammadAG | Why? Cause Ovi packages shouldn't prompt the user to install them |
| 14:10.43 | djszapi | mece: exactly. |
| 14:10.52 | mece | djszapi, so do it. |
| 14:10.57 | MohammadAG | So? Any package with the mime type of the ovi packages will be installed without prompting the user |
| 14:10.59 | mece | djszapi, you don't have to reveal anything |
| 14:11.01 | macmaN_ | RST38h: yeah, ok so my windows download is the only one that's good |
| 14:11.09 | MohammadAG | What does that mean? I can hack your N900 remotely |
| 14:11.14 | MohammadAG | that's about the only hole in the N900 |
| 14:11.18 | hiemanshu | guys break it up now |
| 14:11.28 | mece | it's not really an argument |
| 14:11.28 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, the N900 or N950? |
| 14:11.35 | mece | lol |
| 14:11.38 | RST38h | Not until the guy does what he says |
| 14:11.53 | RST38h | Remotely. From scratch. |
| 14:12.08 | mece | I'd say it's completely impossible |
| 14:12.24 | djszapi | mece: right, I can make a package for you for instance. |
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| 14:12.35 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o hiemanshu] by ChanServ |
| 14:12.40 | hiemanshu | I said break it up |
| 14:12.41 | djszapi | say, like it would be available from the maemo developer page, that would be the easiest attack |
| 14:12.41 | RST38h | Depends. Probably possible, but not by this particular guy, |
| 14:12.42 | mece | djszapi, well you can make one, but obviously I'm not going to install it |
| 14:12.44 | Venemo_N950 | hey |
| 14:12.51 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, /part |
| 14:12.56 | djszapi | mece: hahahahaha :) |
| 14:13.08 | djszapi | mece: so you check every package and source you install manually. |
| 14:13.15 | djszapi | okay, no comment, I stopped it =) |
| 14:13.17 | MohammadAG | I check the source |
| 14:13.31 | MohammadAG | if it's from someone trusted, there should be no reason not to install it |
| 14:13.49 | mece | djszapi, obviously if you need the user to take action, then it's not from scratch. I could make that package myself. |
| 14:14.16 | djszapi | mece: thing is that this is the easiest attack surface, and it does not simply work with aegis |
| 14:14.16 | MohammadAG | And the package exists for the N950, apt-get install bash |
| 14:14.26 | djszapi | and this very simple surface already breaks your N900 |
| 14:14.28 | djszapi | wonderful |
| 14:15.04 | gri | "You may not change the shell for developer." nice, didn't have this in the old image |
| 14:15.44 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg <-- I mean, it already works well with the N950 :P |
| 14:15.45 | mece | djszapi, my point is that you're protecting users from themselves. And I don't like to be protected from myself. |
| 14:15.57 | djszapi | that is plain wrong |
| 14:16.02 | mece | djszapi, is it? |
| 14:16.05 | djszapi | indeed |
| 14:16.13 | mece | djszapi, please elaborate |
| 14:16.16 | RST38h | and how plain is it wrong? |
| 14:16.23 | djszapi | mece: I should ellaborate ? :D :D |
| 14:16.32 | mece | yes |
| 14:16.34 | djszapi | I do not even understand what you cannot do as a *user* |
| 14:16.44 | djszapi | with your stuff |
| 14:16.52 | djszapi | so please ellaborate |
| 14:16.52 | mece | what do you mean? |
| 14:17.02 | RST38h | [certainly faking denial] |
| 14:17.35 | mece | compile a binary and run it, all on device. |
| 14:17.39 | mece | for example |
| 14:17.48 | gri | test without the need to create packages |
| 14:17.53 | djszapi | ohh I see, every day user task really :D :D |
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| 14:18.31 | TheBootroo | 'lo |
| 14:18.33 | RST38h | User cannot use bash |
| 14:18.41 | RST38h | In fact, bash gets his phone bricked |
| 14:18.46 | mece | djszapi, well I develop on device, so yes. Regardless that is not the point, the point is that I said aegis protects users from themselves, and you said that's wrong, so how is it wrong? |
| 14:18.50 | TheBootroo | i got a pb with Notes app on my N950 |
| 14:18.50 | djszapi | another very important use case for my mom |
| 14:18.51 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o hiemanshu] by ChanServ |
| 14:18.54 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, what's up with aegis-developer-mode |
| 14:18.54 | djszapi | and other "normal" users |
| 14:19.14 | RST38h | I am sure your mom is not going to buy N9 |
| 14:19.17 | djszapi | mece: plain wrong |
| 14:19.18 | dm8tbr | ignores the obvious 'your mom' joke |
| 14:19.18 | macmaN_ | TheBootroo: pb is...? |
| 14:19.22 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, it's gone |
| 14:19.25 | dm8tbr | but this is a developer channel |
| 14:19.30 | djszapi | mece: it is exactly the opposite, you can feel safe as a user |
| 14:19.30 | MohammadAG | well, as in the functionality is gone |
| 14:19.30 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, but why??? |
| 14:19.31 | dm8tbr | people have developer needs here |
| 14:19.38 | RST38h | I am further sure she will buy a WP7 device from Nokia =) |
| 14:19.42 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, cause you, the user, don't need developer mode |
| 14:19.50 | TheBootroo | when i click save, the app goes back to first page (with list of notes) but the note isn't saved and an empty black notification bubble appears |
| 14:20.00 | RST38h | WP7 definitely makes one feel safe as a user |
| 14:20.04 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, I enabled the developer mode, I'm no user. |
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| 14:20.09 | TheBootroo | RST38h: my mom is :D |
| 14:20.09 | RST38h | Way safer than Linux based crao! |
| 14:20.11 | RST38h | crap |
| 14:20.17 | djszapi | oh sure, how true.... |
| 14:20.20 | djszapi | another wise sentence :D |
| 14:20.30 | djszapi | please do not stop, I am full of ROTFL :D |
| 14:20.33 | MohammadAG | running arbitrary binaries is dangerous, even if you compiled them Venemo_N950 |
| 14:20.39 | RST38h | Yes, folks, continue please |
| 14:20.49 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, stfu, aegis says otherwise |
| 14:21.02 | TheBootroo | RST38h: and in my family nobody feels secure with a MS os, given the pb they had with MS OSes on their desktops |
| 14:21.10 | Venemo_N950 | so, no way to run my binaries? at all? |
| 14:21.13 | RST38h | Abill_uk does not visit IRC all that often |
| 14:21.19 | mece | djszapi, but you explained how I need to install malicious software for you to break my N900, so i figure aegis is there to prevent the user to install malicious software. |
| 14:21.23 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, you could always go back to making debs |
| 14:21.34 | TheBootroo | macmaN_: any idea so? |
| 14:21.40 | djszapi | mece: yes, that is good, can we agree ? |
| 14:21.43 | macmaN_ | what is a pb? |
| 14:21.50 | macmaN_ | peanut butter? |
| 14:21.56 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, I will always make debs when I want to share my software, but otherwise not |
| 14:22.03 | hiemanshu | macmaN_: Prison Break :D |
| 14:22.09 | gri | making debs takes ages |
| 14:22.15 | mece | djszapi, not if aegis decides my software is malicious software |
| 14:22.15 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, the latter part's gonna have to change |
| 14:22.24 | MohammadAG | sorry, that's what aegis says |
| 14:22.34 | w00t | will just chuck CE on there and work on that instead |
| 14:22.36 | djszapi | mece: oh yes, aegis will misdecide :D :D |
| 14:22.52 | MohammadAG | w00t, take meegotouchhome plugins with you |
| 14:22.56 | MohammadAG | swipe is a bit more fun |
| 14:23.04 | kkito | hey, how to unlock the angry birds levels in n950 if we have not nfc? |
| 14:23.10 | MohammadAG | kkito, fake it |
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| 14:23.24 | mece | djszapi, I'm being sincere, but I don't actually know if you're being sarcastic |
| 14:23.27 | kkito | MohammadAG: ok, and how to fake it ? |
| 14:23.30 | MohammadAG | edit the settings.lua file |
| 14:23.31 | w00t | MohammadAG: seen what alterego/venemo/I are doing? www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IOQyK7zQ4c |
| 14:23.36 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure what the syntax is |
| 14:23.47 | MohammadAG | w00t, internet in dorms sucks, is that the swipe and lipstick stuff? |
| 14:23.50 | w00t | yes |
| 14:23.57 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure what lipstick is, just saw it being mentioned yesterday |
| 14:23.58 | kkito | MohammadAG: oh thx, i'll try |
| 14:24.11 | mece | w00t, sexy! |
| 14:24.13 | w00t | MohammadAG: meegotouch-home with the meegotouch ripped out, models thrown in, and QML on top |
| 14:24.31 | MohammadAG | MTF ripped out? |
| 14:24.42 | w00t | yes |
| 14:24.46 | djszapi | mece: I am not getting your point seriously, no offense, but security is something which are the part of the linux kernel, maemo, meego nowadays, period. |
| 14:25.05 | mece | djszapi, meego doesn't have aegis afaik.. does it Stskeeps? |
| 14:25.07 | djszapi | mece: mobile users and many times even desktop users, sysadmin need it. |
| 14:25.09 | w00t | basically it'll make it a lot easier to write nice looking UI that doesn't suck for CE :) |
| 14:25.12 | alterego | w00t: just had another awesome idea I'm gonna have to stick into my code too. |
| 14:25.13 | djszapi | mece: yes it has smack |
| 14:25.21 | djszapi | mece: which we basically did according to aegis |
| 14:25.32 | kkito | MohammadAG: where is settings.lua located? |
| 14:25.44 | TheBootroo | macmaN_: pb=problem |
| 14:25.46 | alterego | w00t: a sequential animation before you bring an app window forward. Allowing us to do some cool effects for app resuming :) |
| 14:25.52 | TheBootroo | macmaN_: (i'm french) |
| 14:25.53 | mece | djszapi, but I can dmesg and execute binaries in meego |
| 14:26.00 | macmaN_ | TheBootroo: first time i've ever seen that in 15+ years |
| 14:26.01 | w00t | alterego: those animations are done by mcompositor |
| 14:26.09 | alterego | Oh, lame. |
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| 14:26.13 | alterego | Can we disable them? |
| 14:26.16 | alterego | chuckles |
| 14:26.25 | w00t | that part of things will probably have to wait a bit :p |
| 14:27.19 | djszapi | mece: did you really not recognize meego is turned down ? |
| 14:27.28 | MohammadAG | compositor is open source aleksander_m |
| 14:27.28 | djszapi | and we stopped working the polishing of the s ecurity framework ? |
| 14:27.31 | MohammadAG | alterego * |
| 14:27.40 | Venemo_N950 | guys, please calm down! |
| 14:27.40 | MohammadAG | kkito, /var/opt/rovio |
| 14:27.40 | djszapi | and not Intel is trying to do "something", not much from what I can say. |
| 14:27.53 | djszapi | *now |
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| 14:28.24 | djszapi | mece: people tend to complain about security, but it is pretty much an inevitable part of this market, period. Nothing will ever change it into the opposite. |
| 14:28.53 | RST38h | macmaN: First French in 15 years? =) |
| 14:28.55 | djszapi | android is copying aegis, windows phone is copying aegis, meego was copying aegis, that is all I can say |
| 14:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | Be wary of absolutes. . . . |
| 14:29.08 | TheBootroo | macmaN_: so any idea ? |
| 14:29.16 | RST38h | See, if you troll the poor guy for long enough, he is going to start spilling corporate beans =) |
| 14:29.21 | macmaN_ | no, since i cant even flash my device yet |
| 14:29.31 | MohammadAG | aegis is copying iOS |
| 14:29.39 | RST38h | "<djszapi> android is copying aegis, windows phone is copying aegis, meego was copying aegis, that is all I can say" <== ehehehe |
| 14:29.41 | djszapi | :DDDDDDDDDdddddddd |
| 14:29.56 | Sput | still if I'm enabling developer mode because I want to develop for the device, I should be able to run binaries on it... |
| 14:30.26 | mece | djszapi, ok I see, and you're claiming that this is for the benefit of the user? |
| 14:30.39 | djszapi | mece: yes, it is very safe feeling for the users. |
| 14:30.45 | crevetor | yay angry birds :) |
| 14:30.48 | RST38h | BTW, hasn't Aegis been offered for inclusion into Meego and not accepted? |
| 14:30.50 | djszapi | mece: check out some security attack on youtube. |
| 14:30.56 | MohammadAG | Sput, 22-6 isn't looking so bad right now eh? |
| 14:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | one million flies can't be that wrong - EAT MORE SH*T! |
| 14:30.58 | djszapi | RST38h: rather wrong |
| 14:31.04 | djszapi | RST38h: it is hilariously wrong actually. |
| 14:31.06 | berndhs | the security features are more for vendor lock in than for user security |
| 14:31.10 | RST38h | Really? |
| 14:31.17 | *** join/#harmattan jbos (~quassel@share.basyskom.com) |
| 14:31.27 | RST38h | Stskeeps: What was the story with Aegis in Meego? Intel going its own way? |
| 14:31.28 | jbos | anyone managed to flash new Beta2? |
| 14:31.28 | TheBootroo | somebody knows where the Notes are saved in N950 ? |
| 14:31.31 | djszapi | RST38h: pfffff, it was closed as hell, meego was upstream. What are you talking about ? |
| 14:31.35 | *** join/#harmattan javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 14:31.42 | MohammadAG | javispedro, here's the deal |
| 14:31.42 | macmaN_ | TheBootroo: in calendar db |
| 14:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | berndhs: that's what absolutely obvious to anybody who can see |
| 14:31.46 | jbos | fails with Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 14:31.47 | RST38h | Moo, javispedro, uupdate! |
| 14:31.50 | MohammadAG | 34-2 is out, aegis-developer-mode is out with it |
| 14:32.06 | djszapi | berndhs: no, that is plain wrong |
| 14:32.08 | TheBootroo | macmaN_: with calendar ? fuckin stupid idea.... i hate them x_X |
| 14:32.10 | Venemo_N950 | RST38h, meego chose selinux |
| 14:32.23 | TheBootroo | Venemo_N950: SElinux is the way to go |
| 14:32.23 | berndhs | djszapi: no its' not wrong |
| 14:32.24 | macmaN_ | TheBootroo: sqlite ftw |
| 14:32.34 | artemma | is trying Angry Birds on N950. Looks like for levels 6+ you need to install NFC chip somehow :) |
| 14:32.38 | kkito | MohammadAG: thx :) but i don't know what i need to modify to enable the locked levels. |
| 14:32.49 | macmaN_ | g |
| 14:32.53 | hiemanshu | artemma: old story :P |
| 14:32.53 | TheBootroo | so maybe the notes can't be saved since i sync the calendar with MfE |
| 14:32.58 | RST38h | Venemo: Ah, logical |
| 14:33.04 | javispedro | MohammadAG: hey, I got the notificationsink thing to work: https://gitorious.org/sowatch/sowatch/trees/master/meegohandsetnotification |
| 14:33.05 | djszapi | TheBootroo: oh yeah for sure, and that is why maemo/meego/android rejected SELinux :D:D:D |
| 14:33.09 | RST38h | Not that it were much better but still |
| 14:33.15 | macmaN_ | well crap. my Vista VM can't pick up the bootloader/phonet interface for some reason |
| 14:33.15 | TheBootroo | artemma: where did you find angrybird ? |
| 14:33.34 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: meego did not choose selinux |
| 14:33.40 | artemma | TheBootroo: Beta2 firmware for N950 contains angry birds magic |
| 14:33.51 | djszapi | that was just a rather crazy idea of Ryan that everybody else rejected |
| 14:33.52 | berndhs | the security features are also for the security of the network, of the banks, of the service providers, but least of all for the user data |
| 14:34.08 | artemma | For the record: I flashed Beta2 FW from Mac. Everything went well, took a bit less than 20 min |
| 14:34.34 | TheBootroo | artemma: and where is firmware 2 ? didn't even know there was one ! no meego new site has said something about it !! |
| 14:34.47 | RST38h | Ah, found a relevant post: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481890.html |
| 14:34.51 | RST38h | Aegis aka MSSF |
| 14:35.00 | jbos | cant flash Beta 2,... failes with Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 14:35.00 | artemma | https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 14:35.14 | TheBootroo | RST38h: MicroSoft Security Framework ? |
| 14:35.39 | hiemanshu | jbos: what distro? |
| 14:35.42 | djszapi | berndhs: from that thread: " MeeGo security with a new focus on *End-User Privacy*." |
| 14:35.45 | jbos | suse 11-4 |
| 14:35.46 | djszapi | no words about vendor lock at all |
| 14:35.49 | leinir | grah... i keep getting that stupid 488 meg file :P |
| 14:35.51 | djszapi | thanks for the link and confirmation |
| 14:36.01 | macmaN_ | leinir: same here |
| 14:36.10 | RST38h | "While we do not intend to immediately remove the security enabling |
| 14:36.10 | RST38h | technologies we have been including in MeeGo, all security |
| 14:36.12 | RST38h | technologies will be re-examined with this new focus in mind." |
| 14:36.20 | berndhs | djszapi: i can see the way it works, i don't need to believe their mission statements :) |
| 14:36.22 | TheBootroo | does flash erase my installes apps ? |
| 14:36.50 | Venemo_N950 | yes |
| 14:37.02 | TheBootroo | arg |
| 14:37.02 | RST38h | "For MeeGo 1.2 specifically, this |
| 14:37.02 | RST38h | means that we're not planning on integrating the MSSF pieces |
| 14:37.04 | RST38h | that invasive or incomplete at this point |
| 14:37.07 | hiemanshu | jbos: while true; do sudo modprobe -r cdc_phonet; done |
| 14:37.14 | mece | djszapi, sorry I've bothered you with this thing, it's just that I want to use my phone for hacking and developing, and aegis is really annoying. |
| 14:37.15 | hiemanshu | jbos: keep that running in another terminal |
| 14:37.17 | TheBootroo | i have installed about 20 apps |
| 14:37.43 | TheBootroo | Venemo_N950: no OTA possible anytime soon so forced to flash, am i right , |
| 14:37.44 | djszapi | mece: no, the annoying is that if someone dislikes it does not return the device back to Nokia. Nokia could deliver it to people who die for one. |
| 14:37.45 | TheBootroo | ? |
| 14:38.02 | hiemanshu | djszapi: someone got killed for one? :P |
| 14:38.07 | TheBootroo | Venemo_N950: but i'll not loose data and settings ? |
| 14:38.37 | djszapi | mece: it is that simple, I heavily dislike meego, and I am about to send the device back |
| 14:38.42 | macmaN_ | sigh. anyone on a fast connection just willing to i dont know.. dcc send the linux image? |
| 14:38.42 | djszapi | maybe someone else would like it. |
| 14:38.54 | macmaN_ | this cdn crap is total #fail |
| 14:38.59 | mece | djszapi, you heavily dislike meego? |
| 14:39.12 | RST38h | scratches head, tries to figure out how dislike of Aegis implies dislike of Meego or harmattan |
| 14:39.12 | Venemo_N950 | TheBootroo, you'll lose everything |
| 14:39.33 | TheBootroo | Venemo_N950: big shit then ! worse than N900 |
| 14:39.42 | RST38h | I mean, to a normal, reasonable person... |
| 14:39.49 | TheBootroo | n900 didn't loose user data on flash |
| 14:39.49 | MohammadAG | it's a onceclickflasher |
| 14:39.50 | mece | djszapi, I love harmattan! |
| 14:40.01 | MohammadAG | if you extract flasher and do flashing manually, you don't lose anything |
| 14:40.11 | artemma | just verified that his app works well with the new firmware |
| 14:40.12 | TheBootroo | MohammadAG: how can i do ? |
| 14:40.18 | djszapi | mece: if you do not like aegis, you do not love Harmattan, you love parts of it. There are people out there waiting for phones who would die for the whole as it is. |
| 14:40.26 | Venemo_N950 | TheBootroo, use settings / backup |
| 14:40.27 | mece | djszapi, I was actually just trying to understand the motivation for having these aegis limitations |
| 14:40.30 | TheBootroo | MohammadAG: i don't need their One Click Crap |
| 14:40.43 | MohammadAG | technically you do |
| 14:40.48 | MohammadAG | you run OCF, then CTRL+Z it |
| 14:40.51 | djszapi | mece: yes, normally I do not talk to RST38h, but since I saw it on you, that is why I tried to explain :) |
| 14:40.55 | MohammadAG | you'll find the files in /tmp/selfextract* |
| 14:40.58 | nibbler | i'd rather like to see SMACK instead of aegis on Harmattan, but i guess i don't have the choice unless i do it myself. |
| 14:40.58 | hiemanshu | djszapi: I hate SELinux or AppArmor, but I love Fedora/OpenSuSE |
| 14:41.00 | artemma | Hey! BTW our app is the second in the Business App bestseller list! Are this sold to end user N9s already? Or are these still sales to N950 users? |
| 14:41.19 | MohammadAG | haven't bought anything off ovi tbh |
| 14:41.27 | jbos | hiemanshu thanks looks good |
| 14:41.28 | MohammadAG | and end users N9s? what are those? |
| 14:41.38 | RST38h | artemma: what app? |
| 14:41.38 | nibbler | selinux is far too complicated to work properly on mobile handsets. |
| 14:41.43 | artemma | well, sales are to be started by now, aren't they? |
| 14:41.48 | artemma | Easy Discount calculator |
| 14:41.52 | RST38h | Mohammad: Kyrgyz folks apparently |
| 14:41.59 | djszapi | nibbler: yes, that is why everybody dropped it without any consideration |
| 14:42.08 | javispedro | so, I guess by the amount of noise here that a new fw was released =) |
| 14:42.15 | artemma | maybe discounts are very important in Kazakhstan :) |
| 14:42.20 | djszapi | nibbler: Linus Torvalds actually even preferred t his over SELinux |
| 14:42.33 | nibbler | djszapi: this? |
| 14:42.34 | RST38h | javispedro: insightful! |
| 14:42.38 | djszapi | that is why he had the final word to get into mainline (smack) |
| 14:42.47 | djszapi | nibbler: the architecture that aegis has |
| 14:42.47 | nibbler | ah! :-) nice. |
| 14:42.57 | djszapi | nibbler: smack is very similar in quite many aspects. |
| 14:42.58 | Venemo_N950 | frals, facebook app now doesn't switch to landscape :( |
| 14:43.09 | MohammadAG | it was never meant to switch to landscape |
| 14:43.14 | TheBootroo | is there Gtalk in beta 2 ? |
| 14:43.16 | MohammadAG | it's just that orientation lock wasn't working on 22-6 :p |
| 14:43.28 | djszapi | javispedro: your binary runner tool (hash updater) might find love here. |
| 14:43.28 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, it worked in 22-6 |
| 14:43.33 | Venemo_N950 | MohammadAG, eeee |
| 14:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> id |
| 14:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | uid=1000(jr) gid=100(users) Gruppen=7(lp),16(dialout),33(video),100(users),109(vboxusers),1000(sbox) |
| 14:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> dmesg|tail -n 1 |
| 14:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | [8852257.576058] SFW2-OUT-ERROR IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.30 DST=192.168.1.41 LEN=100 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=8205 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=35752 DPT=22 WINDOW=1002 RES=0x00 ACK PSH FIN URGP=0 OPT (0101080A0F9E274703C893D4) |
| 14:43.39 | djszapi | javispedro: people were complaining hours unneccesarily about the relaxed change |
| 14:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> dmesg --help |
| 14:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg: Ungültige Option -- - |
| 14:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | Aufruf: dmesg [-c] [-n Level] [-s PuffergröÃe] |
| 14:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> dmesg -n 6 |
| 14:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | klogctl: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt |
| 14:43.48 | djszapi | javispedro: instead of just trying your tool :) |
| 14:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> sudo dmesg -n 6 |
| 14:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | root's password: |
| 14:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo SO WHAT?? djszapi!? |
| 14:43.52 | Venemo_N950 | what's the point of the hwkb if I can't actually use it? |
| 14:43.53 | djszapi | javispedro: they like complaining better :) |
| 14:44.04 | djszapi | more* |
| 14:44.07 | javispedro | well, hopefully it still has develsh. |
| 14:44.13 | djszapi | yes, it has |
| 14:44.16 | djszapi | obviously. |
| 14:44.18 | MohammadAG | This operation is not allowed? |
| 14:44.21 | flux | venemo_n950, there is no point in hwkbd, it's not in n9, remember?-) |
| 14:44.26 | MohammadAG | Oh, Operation not permitted, german's nice |
| 14:44.47 | RST38h | Mohammad: And then it says that all trespassers will be shot on sight |
| 14:45.46 | mece | djszapi, javispedro, what tool? |
| 14:46.06 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it does, but doesn't work the same |
| 14:46.25 | javispedro | mece: still need to check if it works =) |
| 14:46.27 | javispedro | MohammadAG: in what sense? |
| 14:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg can be abused - PFFFFF! |
| 14:46.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, aegis-developer-mode --realxed-exec says permission denied |
| 14:46.54 | mece | javispedro, the kernel module thing? |
| 14:46.57 | javispedro | MohammadAG: _inside_ develsh? |
| 14:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | show me the security ticket about a vulnerability in dmesg |
| 14:47.07 | Venemo_N950 | javispedro, yes |
| 14:47.09 | mece | javispedro, yes. |
| 14:47.10 | MohammadAG | javispedro, nested under devel-su too |
| 14:47.26 | MohammadAG | dmesg works on android, stock |
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| 14:48.01 | gri | can't even install those cool tools listed unter the developer mode switch |
| 14:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | fact is you can't handle the way dmesg works, with friggin aegis credentials and tokens and whatnot |
| 14:48.15 | mece | gri, I got the tools installed just fine |
| 14:48.16 | MohammadAG | javispedro, look on the bright side |
| 14:48.21 | MohammadAG | there's a header example in MTF now |
| 14:48.44 | gri | mece: all? |
| 14:49.05 | mece | gri, hmm.. no I didn't install them all.. |
| 14:49.13 | mece | which ones doesn't work? |
| 14:49.31 | gri | mece: All of them, "Memory Analysis" for example |
| 14:50.16 | gri | hmpf |
| 14:50.18 | vitaminj | hi all - didn't realise this channel existed, am in open source #n950club, by way of intro |
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| 14:50.53 | gri | mece: All of them, "Memory Analysis" for example |
| 14:50.57 | vitaminj | Venemo_N950: just reading today's logs - what pixel errors do you have on your screen, I have developed a small cluster of black lines which is very gradually getting worse |
| 14:51.19 | mece | gri, start with utilities and x11 utilities. those worked atleast |
| 14:51.26 | mece | Venemo_N950, did you make the irc app? |
| 14:51.39 | gri | mece: All end up with "Installation package not found", even utilities |
| 14:52.07 | mece | hiemanshu, could I have an url to somewhere I can download the irc chatter app? |
| 14:52.32 | Venemo_N950 | vitaminj, yeah, sounds familiar |
| 14:52.38 | Venemo_N950 | mece, yes |
| 14:52.45 | nibbler | does the oneclickflasher provided with 1.2011.34-2 work with older NOLOs that previously only worked with a quick flash, or do i need to extract the firmware from /tmp/selfextract.* and flash it myself? |
| 14:52.58 | hiemanshu | mece: http://bit.ly/getircchatter |
| 14:53.08 | Venemo_N950 | mece, http://bit.ly/getircchatter |
| 14:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: tell me how to do dmesg -n 5, by using syslog instead of dmesg |
| 14:53.23 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: too slow :P |
| 14:53.24 | mece | Venemo_N950, hiemanshu, wicked! |
| 14:53.33 | Venemo_N950 | :P |
| 14:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: so much for ">>we<< don't need dmesg" |
| 14:53.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you don't have a console, dmesg -n is a noop |
| 14:54.22 | javispedro | nitpicks ;) |
| 14:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how do you know I don't have a console? |
| 14:54.41 | vitaminj | Venemo_N950: I'll email DDP too and see what they say, but it's only mildly irritating, not a disaster. don't fancy a â¬500 bill though |
| 14:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe just because I'm not SUPPOSED to have a console? |
| 14:55.36 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I do not even understand the question, syslog contains the dmesg information |
| 14:55.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: if you did, you would have your own kernel, and thus, you'd have disabled aegis? |
| 14:55.39 | Venemo_N950 | vitaminj, me either... but this is not my fault |
| 14:55.47 | djszapi | javispedro: it might be that your tool will not work, have you tried it ? |
| 14:55.55 | javispedro | djszapi: still downloading |
| 14:56.04 | djszapi | javispedro: signing these things needs tcb I am afraid nowadays |
| 14:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you think this kernel doesn't know about serial console? |
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| 14:56.40 | mece_ | asdf |
| 14:56.43 | javispedro | I think it doesn't =) |
| 14:56.43 | mece | ok.. |
| 14:56.46 | mece | works :) |
| 14:56.48 | mece | thanks |
| 14:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I bet you're wrong |
| 14:57.21 | MohammadAG | mece_, got developer mode working with all packages? |
| 14:57.22 | javispedro | makes mental note to try =) |
| 14:57.23 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: back to your --relaxed-exec question. I will ask the decision maker about that, but not today since everybody is gone anyways |
| 14:57.27 | javispedro | either way, is the SD updated? |
| 14:57.28 | javispedro | *SDK |
| 14:57.31 | MohammadAG | if so can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 14:57.50 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, it can wait, no hurries |
| 14:58.01 | MohammadAG | no, it can't |
| 14:58.11 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, please ping me tomorrow if you have an answer :) |
| 14:58.12 | RST38h | More important question: does the new firmware include a working version of the SPARQL QML components??? |
| 14:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: that's the whole crux: you don'tz understand somebody and then you consider his demands moot, as you "can't see why anybody would want to do this" |
| 14:59.26 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yes! not really though |
| 14:59.35 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: makes no sense, period. |
| 14:59.35 | javispedro | "yes not really"? |
| 14:59.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, 4 packages updated |
| 14:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | FO |
| 14:59.50 | javispedro | lol |
| 15:00.00 | MohammadAG | oh no wait |
| 15:00.01 | MohammadAG | 7 |
| 15:00.04 | javispedro | only 1 her |
| 15:00.11 | javispedro | so, the answer is no, not updated. |
| 15:00.34 | MohammadAG | dist-upgrade |
| 15:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | makes no sense TO YOU - you ever wondered *why*? |
| 15:00.44 | MohammadAG | this update killed something I had for less than 24 hours |
| 15:00.46 | MohammadAG | how nic |
| 15:00.47 | MohammadAG | e |
| 15:01.17 | vitaminj | hmm, opening the hwkb doesn't force qml apps to landscape anymore, so it's not just the facebook app |
| 15:01.18 | Venemo_N950 | thx djszapi ttyl |
| 15:01.21 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: yes, of course we do a platform according to what we think. |
| 15:01.38 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: do a better platform, and send your device back. |
| 15:01.48 | mece_ | there appear to be some problems with my accounts, can one delete the account db withoub breaking device? |
| 15:01.59 | RST38h | Mixing "I" and "we", are we? |
| 15:02.03 | javispedro | MohammadAG: the new package is "diff" |
| 15:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | find a better reply and send your ... err STFU |
| 15:02.14 | artemma | wonders why Mail For Exchange account wizard still doesn't know the server address for GMail. Is it that rare service? |
| 15:02.23 | vitaminj | mece_: did you restore? was about to ask, as could log in to twitter before i restored, but not after |
| 15:02.41 | crevetor | Wow the wifi-hotspot application is very complete |
| 15:02.47 | mece_ | same problem. i think the db is different |
| 15:03.02 | mtd | hrm; anybody know how to deal with this dbus permission error? http://pastie.org/2557945 |
| 15:03.10 | berndhs | i wish there were arrow keys on the vkbd :) |
| 15:03.13 | frals | artemma: probably because gmail doesnt have autodiscover setup |
| 15:03.34 | artemma | frals: I am sure N9 buyers will appreciate your explanantion :) |
| 15:03.40 | vitaminj | mece_: at least with contacts it was "nice" enough not to break the db |
| 15:04.04 | djszapi | berndhs: you can do ? |
| 15:04.06 | frals | artemma: i would assume N9 buyers would use "Google account" instead of MfE for their gmail |
| 15:04.24 | vitaminj | although it did then sync the empty contact db to ovi, losing everything |
| 15:04.31 | berndhs | djszapi: i can add them ? |
| 15:04.59 | djszapi | berndhs: there is an app in OVI store with which you can change the layout |
| 15:05.09 | djszapi | mesinput or something like that, it is called. |
| 15:05.12 | berndhs | djszapi: maybe i can make a "localization" of the vkbd with arrow keys |
| 15:05.17 | artemma | frals: I didn't see general Google account and GMail account doesn't include calendar and contacts. Or does it? |
| 15:05.18 | mece_ | so will deleting accounts db break device? |
| 15:05.32 | berndhs | djszapi: ah, i can't get to the ovi store from the n950, service not available |
| 15:05.45 | djszapi | berndhs: weird |
| 15:05.47 | macmaN_ | berndhs: with the new firmware? |
| 15:05.56 | frals | artemma: do you have a N9? |
| 15:06.04 | artemma | frals: N950 |
| 15:06.08 | frals | see ;) |
| 15:06.16 | macmaN_ | here's hoping i will be able to sign into nokia account now for the first time |
| 15:06.22 | berndhs | macmaN_: i have the 22-6 firmware |
| 15:06.30 | macmaN_ | once this flashingathingamathingy is done |
| 15:06.38 | javispedro | ponders not updating |
| 15:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: quote "dmesg can get abused" show me how or accept you are telling BS. quote: "we don't need dmesg as we got syslog" show me how to do dmesg -n 6 or accept you're utterly wrong on the words of that statement |
| 15:06.43 | javispedro | at least until the source is here |
| 15:07.01 | RST38h | Ovi Signup actually works with 22-6 firmware. But you HAVE TO use physical keyboard for it |
| 15:07.19 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: ignore, that is all I can say, sorry. |
| 15:07.28 | macmaN_ | RST38h: uh, what? "use keyboard" means what? |
| 15:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much. Thanks for confirming |
| 15:07.38 | RST38h | Doc: I think his latest quote was "Users never need dmesg or syslog" |
| 15:07.48 | RST38h | macmaN: Type password using keyboard |
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| 15:07.55 | RST38h | macmaN: do not use vkbd |
| 15:08.30 | macmaN_ | RST38h: hrm. where was this discovered? |
| 15:08.34 | RST38h | Doc: And, as you need dmesg, you are not user and thus your opinion does not matter. Logical, isn't it? |
| 15:08.51 | RST38h | macmaN: Who cares? Just use physical keyboard and see what happens |
| 15:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | yes, quite |
| 15:08.57 | macmaN_ | RST38h: damn i have no way to remember whether i tried that or not, and now flashing is almost done |
| 15:09.07 | djszapi | RST38h: plain wrong what you are saying, again |
| 15:09.16 | RST38h | macmaN: Well you will have to try with the new firmware then :) |
| 15:09.16 | macmaN_ | RST38h: i def. did not know about it, if i did try it was just to try whatever.. |
| 15:09.37 | RST38h | of course, djszapi. everything everybody is saying is plain wrong. |
| 15:09.46 | RST38h | everything you are saying is right by definition. |
| 15:09.50 | djszapi | what I actually said (please do not mis-interpret) this time: dmesg can be read from syslog and we can avoid a very powerful kernel memory related capability. It is nice and good, we decided that way I think, period. |
| 15:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | except when djszapi is saying it |
| 15:10.28 | RST38h | BTW, there are only three categories of people entitled to use "we" |
| 15:10.33 | berndhs | djszapi: sometimes you're plain wrong too :) |
| 15:10.45 | RST38h | 1) Royals 2) Chief editors 3) People with tapeworms |
| 15:11.01 | RST38h | djszapi: Which one are you? |
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| 15:12.06 | djszapi | berndhs: I am trying to not answer, what I am not sure about, but yeah, I am also a person as everybody else. What people should avoid is that to definitely say something they know better than the people actually worked on and designed the whole architecture. |
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| 15:13.39 | berndhs | djszapi: certainly. I do observe though the priorities of the security systems like aegis, and their _last_ priority is user data security, everything else is before that |
| 15:14.06 | berndhs | djszapi: and that is not plain wrong |
| 15:14.15 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 15:14.18 | MohammadAG | I lost a shitload of numbers |
| 15:14.28 | djszapi | berndhs: believe or not, user data security is the first. |
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| 15:14.39 | MohammadAG | yeah, proof of that ^ |
| 15:14.48 | berndhs | djszapi: I do not believe you in this case, sorry |
| 15:15.48 | Venemo_N950 | hmm |
| 15:15.56 | artemma | Facebook client still positions chat so that oldest messages are seen. Doesn't scale to hundreds messages long dialogs (and I have such ones) :( |
| 15:15.59 | vitaminj | mece_: have you tried anything with the accounts db yet? I might reflash as all the restore did was give me a bunch of db-related issues |
| 15:16.07 | djszapi | berndhs: does not matter what you believe, and what the first priority is really, they can be different :) |
| 15:16.21 | Venemo_N950 | despite restoring my backup, I have lost all my contacts |
| 15:16.24 | djszapi | "The purpose of the Mobile Simplified Security Framework (MSSF) in the MeeGo Harmattan platform is to protect the owner of a MeeGo-powered device from getting her personal data and passwords from being stolen and used for malicious purposes, to prevent malware from misusing the device and incurring costs on the user, to prevent the user from accidentally breaking the device SW and to make the platform meet the needs of software that requires safe executi |
| 15:16.33 | djszapi | berndhs: ^ from the first sentence (abstract) |
| 15:16.35 | berndhs | djszapi: what you say and what is correct is also not always the case |
| 15:16.41 | w00t | Venemo_N950: there were bugs with contacts backup from back then |
| 15:16.53 | Venemo_N950 | heeehe |
| 15:16.53 | frals | artemma: its been changed since so... PR1.1 ;-) |
| 15:17.01 | berndhs | djszapi: I abstract from how the system behaves, not what someone says about it |
| 15:17.04 | artemma | frals: ?? |
| 15:17.11 | w00t | doesn't remember details |
| 15:17.13 | Venemo_N950 | i also exported them to files |
| 15:17.15 | frals | artemma: message sorting in fb app |
| 15:17.27 | djszapi | berndhs: yeah sure :D :D :D Our architect woman also lied |
| 15:17.29 | artemma | eeeh? I still see chat positioned on top |
| 15:17.32 | Venemo_N950 | but i dont see an option to import those |
| 15:17.33 | w00t | file option got removed |
| 15:17.45 | macmaN_ | swipe down to close is every bit as awesome as i imagined it to be |
| 15:17.46 | Venemo_N950 | HAHAHA |
| 15:17.47 | Venemo_N950 | nice |
| 15:17.48 | artemma | frals: you mean in release after Beta2? |
| 15:17.59 | djszapi | I am happy file option got removed |
| 15:18.01 | vitaminj | don't rely on ovi contacts either for restoring contacts |
| 15:18.01 | Venemo_N950 | thx for telling me w00t |
| 15:18.02 | berndhs | djszapi: i don't care who said what for public consumption |
| 15:18.03 | djszapi | since that was a crap |
| 15:18.07 | frals | artemma: im not quite sure what this beta2 relates to, but at least in the build im using its in the correct order |
| 15:18.13 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: please read the wikipage why that got removed |
| 15:18.19 | djszapi | I wrote it down there. |
| 15:18.21 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, k |
| 15:18.26 | w00t | djszapi: where is this? |
| 15:18.31 | artemma | frals: thx, then at least N9 users will see it correctly |
| 15:18.39 | Venemo_N950 | so any way to restore my contacts? |
| 15:18.46 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: from? |
| 15:18.51 | javispedro | so, what's fixed or improvider? |
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| 15:19.11 | frals | contacts sucks! ;-) |
| 15:19.21 | djszapi | w00t: well, that import did not import the files properly. Actually, you could even pass a browser file for input, it started parsing. |
| 15:19.26 | javispedro | *improved |
| 15:19.29 | djszapi | so it was not really a proper API... |
| 15:19.46 | Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, backup or exported files |
| 15:20.28 | w00t | djszapi: API? it was a file selection dialog - there was no API |
| 15:20.28 | vitaminj | Venemo_N950: trackerbackup in contacts.zip in my backup appears to have a reasonable size to expect it might contain all the data |
| 15:20.35 | djszapi | w00t: of course it used an internal API |
| 15:20.40 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: I wonder if vcardconverter or something of that sort exists |
| 15:20.56 | Venemo_N950 | dunno |
| 15:21.10 | hiemanshu | check it out on the terminal :P |
| 15:21.19 | djszapi | w00t: namely, content manager API. |
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| 15:22.39 | frals | btw, did anyone integrate a telepathy xmpp plugin with accounts yet? |
| 15:23.26 | w00t | frals: looked at it briefly, but accounts makes my head hurt |
| 15:23.55 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Contacts |
| 15:24.19 | mece_ | frals, do you have gtalk on your n9? |
| 15:24.29 | Sput | mmmh. I can't install any of the dev tools either |
| 15:24.32 | Sput | because packages are not found |
| 15:25.11 | frals | mece_: uh, if i would say yes, dont take that as it should be in the device as i have no idea what is official :p |
| 15:25.16 | mece_ | try to disable and enable dev mode. i did that and my tools can be installed |
| 15:25.17 | hiemanshu | Sput: you aren't supposed to have any! |
| 15:25.28 | mece_ | frals, ok. |
| 15:25.30 | djszapi | frals: Nokia did not push it there :( They can use mc-tool though |
| 15:25.50 | macmaN_ | RST38h: SUCCESS. 34-2 lets me sign in with vkb just as well too. |
| 15:26.33 | mece_ | djszapi, what's mc-tool? |
| 15:28.45 | djszapi | mece_: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/omb/page_setup.html something like that I guess. I have never used myself since I have gtalk by default |
| 15:28.52 | Milhouse | Anyone managed to setup a Nokia or Twitter account yet? Says service not available for me. |
| 15:29.42 | mece_ | Milhouse, it worked first, but restoring accounts broke it. |
| 15:30.20 | Milhouse | I haven't restored accounts |
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| 15:31.19 | GeneralAntilles | Where do the backup files hide? |
| 15:31.20 | mece_ | milhouse, then yes, worked fine. |
| 15:31.37 | mece_ | MyDocs/.backup |
| 15:31.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, see it. |
| 15:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks. |
| 15:31.59 | Milhouse | mece: hmm... no joy for me. |
| 15:32.40 | Milhouse | although I did load contacts from a vcard |
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| 15:33.52 | Milhouse | ah, looking in syslog it seems to be failing due to a proxy server error |
| 15:34.33 | Milhouse | xauthplugin.cpp 683 replyXAuthRequestFinished Reply error 99 : "Proxy server not found" |
| 15:34.52 | vitaminj | fwiw, I've just nuked the ~/.accounts dir, rebooted, and my phone has not burst into flames |
| 15:35.52 | vitaminj | "Sorry, can't connect to twitter" grrrrr |
| 15:35.55 | alterego | VXZC |
| 15:36.05 | Milhouse | (the above error is for twitter - no idea why Nokia account "Servuce currently unavailable") |
| 15:36.26 | Milhouse | vitaminj: me too. check your syslog, same error (about a proxy not found)? |
| 15:36.49 | vitaminj | oh and my email messages have vanished, presumably without a host account to be linked to |
| 15:37.08 | vitaminj | Milhouse: but it worked pre-restore, and only wouldn't log in after I did a restore |
| 15:37.21 | vitaminj | unless it's an ill-timed transient thing |
| 15:37.35 | ajalkane | a |
| 15:37.57 | Milhouse | vitaminj: Maybe transient, as I haven't done a restore from backup |
| 15:38.00 | djszapi | actually, the price of having dmesg is to get access to every resources, that would really be a great amount of deal.. |
| 15:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | general rule: always do a backup before you do a restore |
| 15:38.15 | djszapi | you could even set them as you want to. |
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| 15:39.02 | vitaminj | DocScrutinizer: but restoring said backup may give you more problems than you'd hope for |
| 15:39.39 | mtd | ajalkane: I would like my app to change profiles, and noticed you were working on something for that. Have you come across any way to do this from the command line? |
| 15:40.20 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 15:40.51 | javispedro | moo Khertan |
| 15:41.05 | Khertan | mohoo javispedro |
| 15:41.25 | Khertan | what's up ? |
| 15:41.47 | Khertan | a |
| 15:41.56 | jbos | mhm |
| 15:42.02 | Venemo_N950 | ~ping |
| 15:42.02 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:42.10 | vitaminj | Milhouse: well either something on-device is bust, or twitter is bust (it isn't), or the logins are going via some external thing which has fallen over (which would be very suspect) |
| 15:42.15 | javispedro | Khertan: new n950 fw seemingly. |
| 15:42.29 | jbos | after flashing my n950 it just shows nokia text - then black screen |
| 15:42.34 | jbos | nothing else |
| 15:42.38 | djszapi | javispedro: how does your signing tool work, what does it do ? |
| 15:43.34 | Khertan | javispedro ? oh really ? |
| 15:44.33 | MohammadAG | how the fuck do I reindex tracker? |
| 15:44.36 | MohammadAG | it shows no songs :/ |
| 15:44.52 | javispedro | djszapi: it added binaries to the validator hashlist, with nokia origin. it requires tcb & cap_mac_admin in develsh. |
| 15:45.05 | Khertan | MohammadAG, the first principe of tracker ... eat cpu |
| 15:45.09 | djszapi | javispedro: that is not gonna work. |
| 15:45.15 | Milhouse | vitaminj: yeah, think I'll leave it for now and try later :) |
| 15:45.27 | Khertan | MohammadAG, then forgot why you learn while eating cpu |
| 15:45.59 | MohammadAG | I want my songs back |
| 15:46.30 | mtd | MohammadAG: don't do tracker-control -r or you will lose your contacts :( |
| 15:46.51 | eman | About to upgrade my N950... anyone had it brick it? |
| 15:46.51 | MohammadAG | WTF |
| 15:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | Erasing |
| 15:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 15:47.17 | jbos | looks like mine is dead |
| 15:47.21 | jbos | does not boot anymore |
| 15:47.24 | jbos | :/ |
| 15:47.51 | javispedro | is not upgrading. No sources, no GTalk, more aegis, and virtually none of the bugfixes I wanted. |
| 15:47.57 | Summeli | GeneralAntilles: the erasin will take like ~15minutes :D |
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| 15:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, wtf is the point, then? |
| 15:49.01 | Khertan | or more flashing my n950 with the first public firmware take 22min on mine |
| 15:49.02 | Milhouse | None of the developer utiltities (Memory Analysis, Power/Resource Analysis) are available, right? |
| 15:49.04 | javispedro | Angry Birds |
| 15:49.13 | MohammadAG | Milhouse, says unable to install here |
| 15:49.20 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I have a tar.gz of that if you feel bored enough |
| 15:49.26 | Milhouse | MohammadAG: Same, at least it's not just me. :) |
| 15:49.54 | MohammadAG | plug in USB + unplug while music player's running = trigger tracker |
| 15:49.56 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't the N9 due RSN |
| 15:50.02 | GeneralAntilles | Why don't we have public firmware yet. . . . |
| 15:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 15:50.03 | berndhs | maybe i'll wait a day or two with upgrading the firmware, see what people complain about :) |
| 15:50.28 | Milhouse | Anyone noticed "glitching" when audio starts (go into ringtone selection, tap on ringtones - glitch at start) |
| 15:50.36 | Milhouse | Same on video. |
| 15:51.07 | Milhouse | So far, 34-2 seems a bit of a backward step |
| 15:51.38 | Milhouse | but at least i've got Swipe down to close - yay. |
| 15:52.18 | deimos | when I set user and password for Twitter app, a pop up appears telling me to check date and time. What that it means ? Its all ok |
| 15:52.35 | deimos | and doesnt sign me in |
| 15:53.04 | MohammadAG | check your phone's date and time |
| 15:53.13 | deimos | already checked, are ok |
| 15:53.13 | Khertan | deimos verify your timezone too |
| 15:54.04 | Milhouse | MohammadAG: date/time correct here, UK |
| 15:54.41 | Khertan | so they didn t fix the sso bugs |
| 15:55.03 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.19 | deimos | locale was wrong :) thank you |
| 15:56.14 | ajalkane | mtd: yes, you can change profiles by sending d-bus messages to profiled |
| 15:56.24 | djszapi | actually, it is even more dangerous than I thought, dmesg would need DAC_OVERRIDE which is pretty much deny allow service.... |
| 15:56.48 | kkito | MohammadAG: can you please give me a clue about what to change/add into settings.lua to enable nfc levels? |
| 15:57.45 | eman | Has anyone managed to run flasher under Fedora 15? I keep getting "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" |
| 15:58.23 | thp | eman: running as root? |
| 15:58.34 | thp | eman: have you made sure to only connect the device *after* starting the flasher |
| 15:58.51 | eman | thp: yep & yep |
| 15:59.13 | ajalkane | mtd: see my blog for details: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/changing-and-accessing-profiles.html |
| 15:59.18 | djszapi | eman: have you tried the flashing with -R option so that it reboots automatically and starts flashing ? |
| 16:00.06 | ravi | anybody else experiencing extremely low volume during voice calls? |
| 16:00.27 | eman | djszapi: Nope. I'll give it a go |
| 16:01.21 | Khertan | ravi: try without sound noice cancel feature |
| 16:01.26 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I think I figured out why the aegis-develop-mode --relaxed-exec does not work |
| 16:01.33 | djszapi | aegis-developer-mode* |
| 16:02.34 | djszapi | someone still having the old public image and could give me the output of "accli -I" after starting the develsh ? |
| 16:02.46 | djszapi | I would like to verify my finding. |
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| 16:03.36 | mece1 | deleting accounts.db didn't help the twitter account problem |
| 16:05.00 | Khertan | mece1: and now you have also lost singlesign on Nokia Ovi |
| 16:05.01 | Khertan | so no more maps |
| 16:05.01 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:05.14 | mece_ | huh? |
| 16:05.39 | eman | djszapi: Not sure what -R option you are talking about. The one click flasher doesn't have it. |
| 16:05.43 | Khertan | mece_, it s save in the same db |
| 16:05.44 | Khertan | s/save/saved |
| 16:06.21 | mece_ | Khertan, well I still have the same backups |
| 16:06.25 | mece_ | so I can restore again |
| 16:06.27 | jbos | flashing fails with: |
| 16:06.32 | jbos | bb5_rdc_cert_read failed |
| 16:06.32 | jbos | ======================================== |
| 16:06.32 | jbos | ERROR: Failed to flash images |
| 16:06.37 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:07.08 | djszapi | mece_ really ? |
| 16:07.13 | djszapi | sorry, meant eman ^ |
| 16:07.45 | djszapi | eman: -R, --reboot[=ARG] Reboot the device (after flashing) with optional |
| 16:07.48 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.05 | djszapi | eman: anyways, I was wrong, it is reboot after the flash. |
| 16:08.20 | SpeedEvil | you need to unpack the one-click thingy |
| 16:08.22 | djszapi | eman: do you have -f then ? |
| 16:08.24 | SpeedEvil | At least, you can |
| 16:08.32 | SpeedEvil | It's just a tar file with a script on the front |
| 16:08.53 | djszapi | automatic reboot for flashing is very handy. |
| 16:09.00 | eman | Ah, okay, I'll unpack it and check |
| 16:09.43 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 16:09.44 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:10.08 | jbos | where does the flasher extract itself? |
| 16:10.25 | jbos | from the one click |
| 16:10.38 | jbos | looks like this extraction is broken |
| 16:10.47 | leinir | into /tmp/selfextractor.somehash/installer |
| 16:11.04 | leinir | (gah, and i still get stupid 488 meg files :P ) |
| 16:12.08 | Milhouse | where is the noise cancellation option in settings? or isn't there one now? |
| 16:12.17 | jbos | are you sure leinir? |
| 16:12.18 | *** join/#harmattan snowpong (~espen@217.77.36.240) |
| 16:12.40 | djszapi | jbos: yes, it is in tmp :) |
| 16:13.03 | leinir | that'd be my guess, as i'm told this: ./Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin: line 48: /tmp/selfextract.CY3inB/installer: No such file or directory |
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| 16:13.51 | snowpong | anybody know the best way for reacting to volume keys on n950/n9 - prefereably also working with wired/bt headset controls as well - is it qmkeys or should one simply install an eventfilter? |
| 16:13.52 | djszapi | that is not hash though, just random characters that the method generates :p |
| 16:17.49 | mtd | ajalkane: thanks very much |
| 16:19.16 | jbos | ok now it seemed to have worked after clearing temp and redo all |
| 16:21.27 | eman | hrmm, unpacked flasher and straced it |
| 16:21.34 | eman | It's stuck on ioctl(6, USBDEVFS_CLAIMINTERFACE, 0x7fffd9d48ddc) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) |
| 16:21.48 | eman | wonder if that is due to udev |
| 16:22.25 | djszapi | Venemo: I am not sure aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec could be easily workarounded in the next release... |
| 16:22.54 | MohammadAG | worked around? |
| 16:23.08 | mece_ | cock |
| 16:23.54 | djszapi | MohammadAG: yes |
| 16:24.43 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 16:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | So, um, what's the point of this update again? |
| 16:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | The browser still crashes on everything. |
| 16:25.21 | djszapi | MohammadAG: how what ? |
| 16:26.12 | javispedro | see what I was saying about not expecting much =) |
| 16:26.24 | vitaminj | GeneralAntilles: Angry Birds, Twitter and dataloss |
| 16:26.37 | Milhouse | Ovi Music seems a good effort - though I doubt I'll be buying anything |
| 16:26.51 | Milhouse | vitaminj: Twitter if you're lucky :) |
| 16:27.00 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you'd figure I'd have learned after 5 years. |
| 16:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | But nooooo |
| 16:27.18 | vitaminj | Milhouse: Well, true. I had it for a good 10 mins though. It does exist. Honest. |
| 16:27.21 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: what should be worrying you is whether what will be shipped on the N9 crashes as much.. |
| 16:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, achipa says the 1.0 firmware is better than Fremantle's 1.0 |
| 16:27.50 | kkito | music in ovi music is soooo expensive :( |
| 16:27.55 | vitaminj | The browser does crash slightly less - my jenkins build server is now accessible |
| 16:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, this is pretty pathetic if this in any way relates to what's likely coming with the retail product. |
| 16:28.17 | berndhs | canned music is over-rated anyway :) |
| 16:28.27 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, it's marked as beta still. |
| 16:28.39 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo, yes, well, we're getting down to the wire for the N9 release. |
| 16:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have the energy to re-setup his phone today. |
| 16:29.05 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, so what, everyone'll laugh at the N9? |
| 16:29.07 | Jaffa | 's using the N900 as his phone. Much more satisfying ;-) |
| 16:29.24 | Venemo | Jaffa, you said otherwise a few months ago :) |
| 16:29.37 | javispedro | is currently well-served now that I know how to add xmpp accounts =) |
| 16:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think I'm moving back, too. |
| 16:29.43 | Jaffa | Venemo: I changed my mind after a weekend of the N950 stopping notifying you audibly of incoming calls. |
| 16:29.51 | mece_ | javispedro, can has instructions plz? |
| 16:30.18 | javispedro | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-08-24.log.html#t2011-08-24T08:26:40 |
| 16:31.04 | vitaminj | Jaffa: I wonder if they've fixed that in this version. the silent black screen was ... sub-par |
| 16:31.18 | javispedro | Jaffa: fortunately, my metawatch now notifies me of calls.... |
| 16:31.28 | *** join/#harmattan faenil (5d2f1368@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.47.19.104) |
| 16:31.32 | javispedro | .... after missing them (still only get the notification for the missed call, not the call itself) ;P |
| 16:31.39 | Jaffa | javispedro: How's the metawatch battery life? |
| 16:31.50 | Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah, that was sub-optimal whilst having lost wife in a museum |
| 16:32.18 | faenil | YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 16:32.21 | faenil | News update??? :D |
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| 16:32.29 | faenil | new* |
| 16:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | faenil, don't bother. |
| 16:32.39 | Venemo | faenil, don't get your hopes up |
| 16:32.43 | faenil | ? :O |
| 16:32.45 | faenil | oh :( |
| 16:32.45 | faenil | why? |
| 16:33.01 | GeneralAntilles | It's crap. |
| 16:33.02 | vitaminj | if you like twitter, or swipe to close ... more than your data |
| 16:33.23 | javispedro | Jaffa: I understand, it was quite hard to explain why the "next generation phone from nokia" required a reboot to end a phone call ;) |
| 16:33.24 | faenil | oh :( |
| 16:33.28 | faenil | what's wrong with it? |
| 16:33.32 | kkito | the new fw is better than the old one, it looks more faster and has twitter integrated |
| 16:33.32 | javispedro | would you forget about your data |
| 16:33.36 | kkito | and angry birds, joikuspot |
| 16:33.41 | kkito | weather |
| 16:33.42 | javispedro | they have already said there will _never_ be ssus for the n950 |
| 16:33.50 | Stskeeps | never? :P |
| 16:33.51 | Venemo | javispedro, ssus? |
| 16:33.53 | mece_ | ssus? |
| 16:33.55 | Venemo | what is ssus? |
| 16:33.57 | Stskeeps | that sounds odd |
| 16:34.08 | Stskeeps | [citation needed] |
| 16:34.32 | vitaminj | seamless software update service - i.e. ota updates |
| 16:34.42 | mece_ | what? |
| 16:34.52 | mece_ | ffs |
| 16:34.53 | vitaminj | surely when/if we get the n9 rtm equivalent, it'll rumble along with those updates ota |
| 16:35.28 | faenil | oh so this fw is not up to date.. |
| 16:35.32 | djszapi | faenil: it is much better, people just tend to complain :) |
| 16:35.37 | kkito | I had no problems with phone calls with the previous fw |
| 16:35.49 | faenil | oh ok :D then stfu, I'm updating, lol XD |
| 16:35.59 | faenil | what are the known problems people complain about? |
| 16:36.02 | hiemanshu | I am going to stay back on 22 for a while |
| 16:36.08 | hiemanshu | faenil: everything |
| 16:36.14 | hiemanshu | esp aegis |
| 16:36.17 | faenil | like? come on :D |
| 16:36.19 | djszapi | faenil: still no gtalk by default, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec does not work |
| 16:36.25 | vitaminj | faenil: yeah, if you're not an aegis-troubler and can manually backup your data without relying on the built-in thing, this is actually a decent update |
| 16:36.27 | djszapi | those are the two serious issues to me. |
| 16:36.37 | faenil | mmm |
| 16:36.39 | faenil | gtalk... |
| 16:36.44 | faenil | dammit xD |
| 16:36.48 | mece_ | new fw is quite nice. I just managed to break twitter and then break ovi account trying to fix twitter :/ |
| 16:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | faenil, don't say we didn't warn you. |
| 16:37.02 | faenil | no I don't need to fight aegis as of now, so I don't care about that |
| 16:37.15 | mece_ | what is this babbling about data? I lost no data updating. |
| 16:37.16 | djszapi | faenil: remember how much these people complained after 22 as well. I can say the difference it was much more silent :D |
| 16:37.18 | GeneralAntilles | Browser is still broken. |
| 16:37.22 | mece_ | naturally I backed up MyDocs... |
| 16:37.33 | faenil | browser broken in what |
| 16:37.35 | Venemo | mece_, you lost your contacts. all. |
| 16:37.43 | mece_ | Venemo, did I? |
| 16:37.44 | djszapi | Venemo: that is wrong |
| 16:37.56 | GeneralAntilles | I wish you could ignore people on IRC without it being incredibly confusing where there are long one-sided conversations with a ghost. |
| 16:37.59 | Venemo | the backup app did not restore any contacts for me. |
| 16:38.26 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you can in irssi ignore messages from a person and any messages prefixed to the person |
| 16:38.33 | djszapi | Venemo: my vcard command worked for me. |
| 16:38.42 | djszapi | all the contacts were recovered. |
| 16:38.46 | Venemo | djszapi :) :) :) |
| 16:38.48 | vitaminj | mece_: I just did another restore after nuking the accounts dir and I'm (relatively) back to normal on the accounts front |
| 16:38.51 | Venemo | djszapi, care to enlighten me about your vcard command? :) |
| 16:39.02 | Milhouse | Anyone else got the "Interactive" app installed, or did that sneak in when I added my T-Mobile APN? |
| 16:39.04 | djszapi | Venemo: actualy, I posted that link to you more times. |
| 16:39.05 | mece_ | vitaminj, did your ovi account work? |
| 16:39.15 | Venemo | djszapi, sorry, I was on the go |
| 16:39.22 | kkito | I had no problems with contacts, i have the contacts syncronized with mail4excahnge and it works ok |
| 16:39.23 | Venemo | djszapi, it still disconnects sometimes. |
| 16:39.25 | faenil | GeneralAntilles: I've been symbian fw cooker for 2 years, I don't give a damn about data on my n950 :) |
| 16:39.31 | djszapi | Venemo: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Contacts |
| 16:39.34 | mece_ | I don't have mail for exchange |
| 16:39.41 | Venemo | djszapi, N950 could not open that page! |
| 16:39.50 | djszapi | ouch :) |
| 16:40.01 | vitaminj | mece_: it's claiming to sync (with nothing, since the ovi "restore" actually does the opposite) and Maps "logs in" |
| 16:40.09 | Venemo | djszapi, shall I do this as root or as user? |
| 16:40.23 | Milhouse | It's a shame the restore is an all or nothing |
| 16:40.40 | faenil | anyway, if this is beta2 and it has all these problems.... |
| 16:41.03 | Milhouse | It is worrying, as this seems to be a regression in several respects. |
| 16:41.07 | djszapi | Venemo: I think I ran it as root, might work for user as well, I do not know |
| 16:41.27 | Venemo | djszapi, works as user, but it can't open most of the vcf files |
| 16:41.49 | Venemo | djszapi, seems that the contacts which have accented letters cause a problem |
| 16:41.59 | mece_ | is this a new issue? I synced my contacts from My N900 when I first got the device without any problems. Over bluetooth. |
| 16:43.30 | javispedro | ok, can't find the quote. |
| 16:43.37 | javispedro | either way, |
| 16:44.02 | javispedro | the current fw releases so far all have n950 specific packages |
| 16:44.31 | javispedro | so considering the soonish release date of the N9, I have my doubts on whether there will ever be a "unified" firmware. |
| 16:45.15 | faenil | exactly.. |
| 16:45.17 | faenil | probably never |
| 16:45.18 | vitaminj | faenil et al: what are the sum total of all the new issues? aegis lockdown, old contact and sms backups don't restore, twitter login slightly bust, dev mode packages can't be found |
| 16:45.26 | Milhouse | javispedro: I'd be happy if an N950/N9 unified release appeared after the N9 launch - the N950 isn't the priority. |
| 16:45.27 | javispedro | plus considering the lack of willingness into putting gtalk on the n950 (lack of certification?)... |
| 16:45.37 | faenil | vitaminj: that's what I'm trying to understand xD |
| 16:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, the N9 isn't a priority either. |
| 16:46.03 | GeneralAntilles | Note that it wont actually be available in markets where anybody really cares. |
| 16:46.04 | Milhouse | GeneralAntilles: ha, true. |
| 16:46.09 | mtd | ajalkane: I'v realized I acutally mean to update ringtones, but your blog post was interesting. Thanks again. |
| 16:46.32 | GeneralAntilles | I'm really surprised at how much Nokia is willing to undermine itself for Microsoft. |
| 16:46.40 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, me too |
| 16:47.06 | GeneralAntilles | Anything that pushes Nokia into peoples mindspaces is not something to be squandered. |
| 16:47.24 | vitaminj | faenil: I think it's less explosive than people are claiming. just the aegis stuff is annoying some. but if you're writing software with the aim of deploying on the n9, the lockdown decisions have been made already no doubt, so you're just getting a f/w which is closer to the "real thing" |
| 16:47.27 | GeneralAntilles | But, nooo, we can't have this silly open source buggery competing with our glorious WP7. |
| 16:48.12 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, Nokia's software development practices have proven many times that they are unable to create non-buggy software, open source or not |
| 16:48.13 | mtd | anyone gotten skype (telepathy-spirit) to sign in to skype? I can add the account with mc-tool but can't get it to go online. |
| 16:48.42 | djszapi | Venemo: typical example is the weekly meego arm images. |
| 16:49.23 | Venemo | djszapi, I don't intend to flame about MeeGo now. |
| 16:49.35 | djszapi | well, every company has bugs obviously :) |
| 16:49.54 | Venemo | yeah. |
| 16:50.19 | *** part/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@plexyplanet.org) |
| 16:50.19 | Venemo | and some have more than others |
| 16:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | Whew |
| 16:51.36 | vitaminj | faenil: oh, the ovi store stuff from non-n950club members now works ... that's something I guess |
| 16:52.21 | Venemo | WHAT THE FUCK??? |
| 16:52.21 | ajalkane | mtd: if you need to change profile's ringtone, its in profiled too. See the attributes in config files |
| 16:52.25 | Venemo | email from facebook: |
| 16:52.26 | Venemo | It looks like someone used your Facebook account to log into Nokia N9 (Monday, September 19, 2011 at 6:16am). |
| 16:53.08 | Venemo | LoL |
| 16:53.10 | Venemo | who was it? |
| 16:54.10 | mtd | ajalkane: excellent, thanks |
| 16:54.19 | ajalkane | you can log into N9 from facebook ? X-) |
| 16:54.51 | Venemo | probably a misspell in the facebook client |
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| 17:00.25 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 17:00.29 | MohammadAG | Accounts UI stores passwords as plain text |
| 17:00.38 | Stskeeps | not this argument again.. |
| 17:00.40 | Venemo | MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:00.46 | javispedro | that's not really true anymore |
| 17:00.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG, but it's at least secure! whatever! |
| 17:00.53 | javispedro | they are stored in aegisfs |
| 17:01.02 | javispedro | so they are encrypted .. with what key, don't ask me. |
| 17:01.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, found them in a folder |
| 17:01.11 | MohammadAG | a cat showed me my pass |
| 17:01.13 | javispedro | aegisfs is mounted in a directory |
| 17:01.26 | MohammadAG | found them in ~/.signon/signonfs-mnt |
| 17:01.36 | javispedro | which is a aegisfs mount |
| 17:01.44 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 17:01.55 | MohammadAG | anyone found a way to get twitter accounts working after a restore? |
| 17:02.09 | Venemo | yes |
| 17:02.17 | Venemo | I deleted all my accounts |
| 17:02.21 | Venemo | from accounts GUI |
| 17:02.25 | Venemo | except the Nokia account |
| 17:02.27 | MohammadAG | interesting |
| 17:02.36 | Venemo | after that, both Facebook and Twitter work |
| 17:02.37 | MohammadAG | I deleted signon's folder, that broke all AccountsUI |
| 17:02.58 | Venemo | MUHAHA |
| 17:02.58 | vitaminj | I binned the whole .accounts dir and it still didn't work |
| 17:03.13 | Venemo | vitaminj, I used only the GUI for this |
| 17:03.14 | vitaminj | facebook still works for me, just twitter is broken |
| 17:03.34 | Venemo | forgot to mention: I also cleaned the homescreen and rebooted |
| 17:03.37 | Venemo | before re-adding them |
| 17:04.04 | vitaminj | I needed to re-enter my password into everything though |
| 17:04.26 | Venemo | anyway |
| 17:04.30 | Venemo | I gotta leave now |
| 17:04.33 | Venemo | will be back later |
| 17:04.55 | *** join/#harmattan eman (~eman@203-214-142-177.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 17:04.57 | vitaminj | how does that make any sense though - deleting other accounts ... clears up bad data for an account type that never existed before?! |
| 17:05.04 | mece | I deleted accounts, didn't help, then deleted db's, didn't help. still no twitter |
| 17:05.21 | mece | and now nokia account is broken. |
| 17:05.59 | MohammadAG | fun times |
| 17:06.03 | MohammadAG | and I lost all my contacts' numbers |
| 17:06.04 | eman | Sigh. It's really annoying that flasher can't manage to work on Fedora 15 x86_64 :( |
| 17:06.11 | MohammadAG | names are there though |
| 17:06.26 | vitaminj | how did that happen? from an import? |
| 17:06.31 | mece | i lost all contacts period |
| 17:06.34 | MohammadAG | nope, restored backup |
| 17:06.46 | MohammadAG | luckily I have them almost in sync with the N86 |
| 17:07.13 | vitaminj | yeah, I did that and didn't get any. restore briefly shows an error about a tracker restore failure before rebooting |
| 17:07.15 | arcean_ | eman: I've just flashed new fw on F15 x64 :) |
| 17:07.34 | MohammadAG | k this is annoying |
| 17:07.42 | MohammadAG | this firmware seems like a back step |
| 17:08.07 | eman | arcean_: hrmmm. No idea why it ain't working for me. I've run it on both my desktop & laptop with the same results. |
| 17:08.26 | arcean_ | eman: What kind of problem do you have? |
| 17:08.28 | MohammadAG | I had all this stuff working |
| 17:08.45 | arcean_ | something with cdc_phonet & phonet kernel modules? |
| 17:08.55 | faenil | I mean how can this be a beta2 if there are so many problems? |
| 17:10.47 | MohammadAG | well this explains why releases are always buggy :p |
| 17:10.47 | mece | it's not N9 software... |
| 17:11.00 | MohammadAG | by the time it hits that there will be more bugs mece :P |
| 17:11.12 | eman | arcean_: I'm getting the error message "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy". So something else has it open... I played a bit with udevadm monitor to make sure nothing else had it open |
| 17:11.13 | mece | heheh |
| 17:11.20 | frals | ... the only problem i see mentioned is that people copied over accounts.db and expected it to work? |
| 17:11.30 | Stskeeps | just reflash completely, anything from the old backups are bound to fuck up things |
| 17:11.45 | frals | what he said ^ |
| 17:12.05 | arcean_ | eman: have you tried to blacklist phonet and cdc_phonet kernel modules? |
| 17:12.13 | mece | frals, well restoring contacts is kinda important tho. |
| 17:12.31 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no, I expected an option to select what I want to restore tbh |
| 17:12.45 | MohammadAG | you know, the way maemo 5 did it? |
| 17:13.08 | eman | arcean_: Just trying that now just before you mentioned it.. |
| 17:13.09 | vitaminj | presumably you can manually restore only the bits that work by selectively deleting the appropriate zip files in .backups |
| 17:13.12 | Stskeeps | you got a development release and that isn't really considered a stable snapshot of any schemas or file formats in typical development |
| 17:13.20 | MohammadAG | vitaminj, no, there's a metadata file |
| 17:13.24 | frals | mece: yeah, wonder why whoever put out the release didnt note that backups from 22 > 34 were not compatible |
| 17:13.43 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, so why aren't there weekly releases |
| 17:13.44 | Stskeeps | frals: 10 bucks the tracker mafia didn't tell anyone |
| 17:13.45 | mece | frals, thanks for the heads up, lol |
| 17:14.08 | mece | hehehe |
| 17:14.10 | eman | arcean_: Awesome! That did the trick |
| 17:14.11 | mece | damn. i guess i just have to reflash |
| 17:14.16 | frals | Stskeeps: quite sure some manager yelled about it at some point when he got affected, but, yeah.. :P |
| 17:14.19 | arcean_ | eman: nice :) |
| 17:14.27 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: heh, if you complain about this release, you're bound to really hate weekly relases :) |
| 17:14.33 | eman | Yay :) Now I can finish my app.. |
| 17:14.38 | frals | Stskeeps: +1 |
| 17:15.17 | dm8tbr | just hosed his device and had to reflash ground up |
| 17:15.33 | dm8tbr | I just shrugged and grumbled that it would take me an hour. that's it |
| 17:15.41 | dm8tbr | it's called developer versions |
| 17:15.57 | frals | nightly builds <3 |
| 17:16.03 | macmaN_ | i have to say, 32-4 update has been a raging success for me. |
| 17:16.03 | frals | heads of to finish the laundry |
| 17:16.14 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, actually, no, you guys get less of Aegis :p |
| 17:16.15 | dm8tbr | heh, yeah, that too |
| 17:16.20 | macmaN_ | swipe down to close alone is worth it |
| 17:16.37 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i've never had harmattan on my proto |
| 17:16.54 | macmaN_ | some translation uglyness has been fixed, and everything incl navigation else works really smooth |
| 17:17.55 | vitaminj | I'm going to try to manually edit settings.zip and get a semi-backup that doesn't hose the accounts. I expect failure but it's worth a shot |
| 17:17.57 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: unless strictly required for work, i try to stay close to whatever versions people in community have, else i dont see same issues as them |
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| 17:18.22 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, so you were on 22-6? :P |
| 17:18.35 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: for very long time |
| 17:18.43 | mece | vitaminj, what accounts do you need from the backup? |
| 17:18.54 | wazd | hey all |
| 17:19.02 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: until i had to verify the kernel flashing / rootfs flashing / MOSLO |
| 17:19.11 | mece | wazd, o/ |
| 17:19.33 | berndhs | there is hope for MOSLO ? |
| 17:19.43 | vitaminj | mece: email and calendar would be nice, but I should probably just stop being lazy and re-enter the details and let it re-download everything |
| 17:19.53 | dm8tbr | berndhs: it seems |
| 17:20.07 | wazd | oooh, new firmware :) |
| 17:20.26 | ieatlint | firmware that's only 4 weeks old, yay :) |
| 17:20.55 | Stskeeps | ieatlint: heh, just means it's testerd |
| 17:20.57 | vitaminj | mece: as long as it doesn't pull another wrong-way-sync. clean slate and all that |
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| 17:21.25 | wazd | more than that, I SUDDENLY got a job! :) |
| 17:21.30 | ieatlint | Stskeeps: tested so well that there's been over 10 internal builds since? :P |
| 17:21.31 | Stskeeps | wazd: congratulations! |
| 17:21.36 | Stskeeps | ieatlint: that's fairly normal |
| 17:21.49 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm just kidding with it all |
| 17:21.57 | mece | omfg |
| 17:22.34 | mece | holy shit contact import from n900 now THAT has to be the most evil bug I've ever seen! |
| 17:22.53 | Stskeeps | which? |
| 17:22.59 | mece | WOW |
| 17:23.37 | wazd | mece: tripple import? |
| 17:23.39 | mece | the one where i import contacts to n950 and instead of importing it deletes the contacts from n900 |
| 17:23.49 | wazd | mece: wow |
| 17:23.54 | ieatlint | haha |
| 17:23.57 | mece | mind officially boggled |
| 17:23.57 | Stskeeps | mece: not sure i experienced that one |
| 17:24.12 | wazd | mece: that's hot :P |
| 17:24.16 | ieatlint | that sounds like it could [also] be a n900 bug |
| 17:24.27 | Stskeeps | this why you don't say "synchronise" |
| 17:24.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:24.31 | *** join/#harmattan Arkenoi_ (~ark@178.177.75.125) |
| 17:24.33 | mece | all phone numbers removed, except for 6 contacts that appeared on the N950. |
| 17:24.41 | vitaminj | has someone toggled the sync direction ui-wide? |
| 17:24.56 | mece | it was not syncronize it was import! |
| 17:25.03 | vitaminj | "restore this phone" does not mean "push your empty list to the other end" |
| 17:25.10 | wazd | 's firing up ovi suite just in case |
| 17:25.11 | vitaminj | well exactly |
| 17:25.26 | mece | i didn't restor, i used import contacts from other device |
| 17:25.39 | vitaminj | I'm so backing up my n900 as well |
| 17:25.40 | mece | s/restor/restore/ |
| 17:26.36 | vitaminj | ok, so I mean changing the "import" logic to "export" system-wide |
| 17:27.00 | vitaminj | which is obviously silly, but seems to be what's actually happened to both of us |
| 17:27.02 | MohammadAG | k, settings restoration didn't help |
| 17:27.13 | *** join/#harmattan apol_ (~apol@84.78.178.63) |
| 17:27.19 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 17:27.23 | MohammadAG | reflashes all this |
| 17:27.24 | mece | luckily i have backups on my n900 |
| 17:27.42 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 17:27.50 | MohammadAG | what's the equivalent of the U key on the N950? |
| 17:27.56 | vitaminj | a clear "you will lose everything, don't try using backup/restore" on the release notes would have avoided a lot of this faffing and grumbling |
| 17:29.28 | ieatlint | ooh, the hotspot app is in it :) |
| 17:29.39 | apol | http://paste.kde.org/123667 < I'm getting this error while trying to flash the device |
| 17:29.50 | apol | (device or resource busy) |
| 17:29.53 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 17:29.55 | apol | anyone has run into this? |
| 17:30.04 | MohammadAG | one of the things in the new update, a battery indicator when the device is off |
| 17:30.17 | MohammadAG | apol, superuser? |
| 17:30.39 | apol | I'm using sudo |
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| 17:31.29 | javispedro | MohammadAG: battery indicator when the device is off? |
| 17:31.33 | apol | if I'm root I get the same problem |
| 17:31.39 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you mean actdead? |
| 17:32.26 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 17:32.48 | MohammadAG | apol, device off before you plug it in? |
| 17:33.01 | apol | MohammadAG: yes |
| 17:33.20 | ieatlint | apol: something on your computer is taking control of the usb device |
| 17:33.26 | ieatlint | and then the flasher can't |
| 17:33.37 | MohammadAG | there's phonet afaik that does that |
| 17:33.50 | apol | ugh |
| 17:34.33 | ieatlint | if you take a look at the end of the output of dmesg about 30s after you plug in the phone, it should show info about it being detected, and may give some info |
| 17:35.14 | apol | well it says it's a scsi device, just like any massive storage device |
| 17:35.29 | apol | I'm not sure what to do to prevent this from happening though |
| 17:35.39 | djszapiN9 | mmm, maybe a skeleton package would help for now as a sample to try out simple binaries |
| 17:35.40 | ieatlint | perhaps an automounter is causing it |
| 17:37.07 | djszapiN9 | apol have you tried to remove that phonet module ? |
| 17:37.30 | apol | djszapiN9: it says it's in use by another module |
| 17:37.52 | MohammadAG | so remove that |
| 17:38.05 | apol | xD |
| 17:38.07 | apol | cool |
| 17:38.11 | apol | done, let's see what happens... |
| 17:38.31 | djszapiN9 | apol try to blacklist that in rc.conf for now and reboot |
| 17:38.34 | faenil | does the new have AccuWeather app in it? |
| 17:39.09 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 17:39.11 | apol | djszapiN9: ok... what does it do? |
| 17:39.46 | apol | well anyway, brb |
| 17:39.46 | vitaminj | feanil: yeah |
| 17:39.54 | *** join/#harmattan Arkenoi_ (~ark@178.177.75.125) |
| 17:39.55 | ajalkane | feels brave after a bottle of red wine and a couple of beers. Flashing of new firmware starts! |
| 17:40.09 | ieatlint | drunk flashing is always brilliant |
| 17:40.42 | faenil | what about Swype? that's vital to me |
| 17:40.45 | Arkenoi_ | ah? there is new firmware? |
| 17:41.02 | MohammadAG | faenil, no |
| 17:41.09 | faenil | dammiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit |
| 17:41.14 | Arkenoi_ | public? |
| 17:41.29 | Stskeeps | swype? the current OSK is bloody fantastic |
| 17:41.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:41.46 | faenil | osk? |
| 17:41.55 | Stskeeps | on screen keyboard |
| 17:41.56 | MohammadAG | On Screen K |
| 17:41.58 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.01 | MohammadAG | why do I even bother |
| 17:42.02 | faenil | oh |
| 17:42.12 | djszapiN9 | apol have you checked your checksum against one correct one ? |
| 17:42.15 | faenil | well but you know...swype = +50% speed and -50% need to concentrate on where you hit |
| 17:42.24 | faenil | anyway :) |
| 17:42.28 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, do you have like those EEG readers or voice recognition or something? :P |
| 17:42.49 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: part of the matrix |
| 17:42.54 | ieatlint | faenil: swype is coming to the n9 at least |
| 17:43.27 | Arkenoi_ | wow, 34-2 |
| 17:43.31 | faenil | I know that swype is there on newer n950 fws... |
| 17:43.35 | faenil | :( |
| 17:43.36 | Arkenoi_ | still no OTA, just OCF? |
| 17:43.53 | Arkenoi_ | does landscape mode work properly now? |
| 17:44.10 | Arkenoi_ | or better at least? |
| 17:44.27 | djszapiN9 | ieatlint mmm, it is still not available on my internal image - swype |
| 17:44.52 | vitaminj | Arkenoi_: apparently not, and qml apps which don't explicitly allow landscape can't be forced by opening the hwkb any more |
| 17:45.13 | faenil | djszapiN9: settings -> keyboard -> enable swype |
| 17:45.17 | faenil | give that a look |
| 17:45.22 | ieatlint | djszapiN9: not available, no, but the option is there |
| 17:45.29 | faenil | :O |
| 17:45.41 | MohammadAG | oh really? |
| 17:45.47 | MohammadAG | I should visit those N9s on RDA then |
| 17:45.48 | Arkenoi_ | which messaging protocols are available? |
| 17:45.58 | MohammadAG | same + twitter |
| 17:46.05 | ieatlint | djszapiN9: if you go look at the keyboard settings, you'll see an option to enable skype, and even configure it, but it doesn't actually start up swype |
| 17:46.34 | *** part/#harmattan vitaminj (~vitaminj@132.185.237.133) |
| 17:46.36 | mece | wow i'm so full of fail |
| 17:47.07 | faenil | guys can you please try looking there? settings -> time and language -> text input -> enable swype |
| 17:47.17 | MohammadAG | contacted Nokia about my overheating issue |
| 17:47.23 | Venemo | MohammadAG, what did they say? |
| 17:47.26 | ieatlint | faenil: not there on the 34-2 image |
| 17:47.27 | mece | i was going to play floorball but turns out i went to the wrong place, and i managed to fuck up contacts in both phones so i can't call and ask where it is! |
| 17:47.53 | Arkenoi_ | Does switching to and from landscape still damage desktop icons? |
| 17:47.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo, Thank you for your email regarding Device Distribution Program. |
| 17:47.57 | MohammadAG | Your email has been directed to Device Access Services ticketing queue and will be replied as soon as possible. |
| 17:48.04 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, yes |
| 17:48.16 | faenil | ieatlint: so real swype is not even there on latest internal image? |
| 17:48.19 | djszapiN9 | i do not settings , keyboard option |
| 17:48.33 | ieatlint | faenil: yep |
| 17:48.39 | djszapiN9 | have * |
| 17:48.45 | faenil | :( how does that come :( |
| 17:49.02 | Venemo | faenil, no such menu item |
| 17:49.07 | Arkenoi_ | And I guess I still cannot turn stupid "smart" keyboard behavior off even for physical keyboard? |
| 17:49.40 | djszapiN9 | not even the option for me directly in settings |
| 17:50.34 | djszapiN9 | faenil let us cry together :p |
| 17:50.44 | faenil | :'( |
| 17:51.07 | faenil | have been waiting for so long just to get swype, and it's not even there on latest internal build... me sad |
| 17:51.09 | *** join/#harmattan zarlino (~zarlino@dynamic-adsl-94-37-131-160.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 17:51.12 | faenil | sad |
| 17:51.22 | MohammadAG | Swype is on the N9 |
| 17:51.29 | Arkenoi_ | if keyboard and landscape mode were not fixed i will probably wait for the next update, because there is nothing worth seeing there |
| 17:51.45 | faenil | MohammadAG: I agree, but that doesn't mean anything :) |
| 17:51.56 | ieatlint | cry away.. http://imgur.com/FmLw2 |
| 17:52.03 | MohammadAG | yes it does |
| 17:52.19 | faenil | Arkenoi_: if there will be any next update.. |
| 17:52.30 | *** join/#harmattan apol (~apol@84.78.178.63) |
| 17:52.36 | MohammadAG | faenil, there will |
| 17:52.47 | faenil | ieatlint: trying to kill me? XD |
| 17:52.51 | djszapiN9 | ieatlint, where is this option ? |
| 17:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | mece: no local backup on N900? |
| 17:53.22 | ieatlint | as faenil said, Settings -> Time and language -> Text input |
| 17:53.44 | Venemo | ieatlint, .................. |
| 17:53.54 | djszapiN9 | time and language xd |
| 17:54.12 | ieatlint | yeah, not the most obvious |
| 17:54.21 | mece | doc, yeah, i'm restoring |
| 17:54.31 | ieatlint | but despite bringing up a bunch of settings for swype, it doesn't do anything. i don't have a swype keyboard |
| 17:55.04 | Arkenoi_ | wonders if anyone besides me consider "smart" capitalization to be extremely annoying and actually a bug |
| 17:55.12 | faenil | ieatlint: that's strange anyway.. |
| 17:55.22 | MohammadAG | ieatlint, change the active input method |
| 17:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi_, I hate it. |
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| 17:55.40 | Venemo | ieatlint, wut's your fw version? |
| 17:55.55 | ieatlint | on my n950, the same as everyone else, 34-2 |
| 17:56.03 | *** join/#harmattan apol (~apol@84.78.178.63) |
| 17:56.06 | Venemo | ieatlint, how is that possible? |
| 17:56.18 | apol | djszapiN9: disabling phonet didn't help |
| 17:56.18 | ieatlint | that screenshot isn't from this |
| 17:56.27 | apol | It goes a little further but I still get the same error |
| 17:57.27 | apol | http://paste.kde.org/123781 |
| 17:57.34 | apol | any idea? :/ |
| 17:58.36 | faenil | guys are the bins inside the exe ext4 images? |
| 17:58.38 | faenil | or what? |
| 17:58.41 | mtd | Arkenoi_: yeah, I wish I could easily turn that off |
| 17:59.51 | *** join/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@plexyplanet.org) |
| 17:59.58 | Arkenoi_ | wonders who the fsck infests nokia with "brilliant" ideas like that or like thinking it is a good idea to give up handling unknown mime type in browser instead of saving it |
| 17:59.59 | sandst1 | faenil: there's the rootfs bin and the emmc bin |
| 18:00.07 | djszapi | apol: and you turned the device off by pressing the button for more than 8 secs ? |
| 18:00.22 | Arkenoi_ | given it is pretty similar on symbian and harmattan, it should be same person :-) |
| 18:00.30 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi_, hate the MIME thing too. |
| 18:00.46 | Arkenoi_ | maybe we can just kill him and then phones will behave as intended |
| 18:00.54 | apol | djszapi: yes... |
| 18:01.12 | javispedro | apol: single user mode =) |
| 18:01.33 | apol | xD |
| 18:01.36 | apol | damn |
| 18:01.43 | djszapi | apol have you checked the checksum ? |
| 18:01.59 | apol | djszapi: yes, it's fine |
| 18:02.43 | djszapi | I would try manual cold flash |
| 18:03.16 | faenil | so is there anyway to open the bins and see what's inside? |
| 18:03.25 | djszapi | faenil: yup |
| 18:03.42 | apol | djszapi: what's manual cold flash? |
| 18:05.21 | sandst1 | apol: flashing with sudo ./flasher -f -F <rootfs.bin> -F <emmc.bin> -c |
| 18:05.36 | MohammadAG | Venemo, join #maemo-ssu please |
| 18:06.38 | *** join/#harmattan faenil_ (5d2f1368@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.47.19.104) |
| 18:06.41 | faenil_ | mm |
| 18:06.45 | faenil_ | had to log off |
| 18:06.47 | faenil_ | I could not read |
| 18:06.58 | faenil_ | or write...djszapi did you write anything after yup? |
| 18:07.00 | djszapi | sandst1: he left :P |
| 18:07.16 | sandst1 | djszapi: seems so |
| 18:07.20 | ajalkane | The new FW rocks. This is said just before trying to get contacts back in. |
| 18:07.29 | djszapi | faenil: /tmp/selfextract.${RANDOM_NUMBERS}/* |
| 18:07.39 | faenil_ | wait |
| 18:07.42 | faenil_ | I know where bins are :D |
| 18:07.55 | faenil_ | I was talking about how to look inside bins :D |
| 18:07.59 | djszapi | what else do you need ? |
| 18:08.03 | djszapi | vi |
| 18:08.09 | MohammadAG | cat/strings |
| 18:08.14 | sandst1 | faenil_: flasher -F <file.bin> -u |
| 18:08.40 | djszapi | mmh, sandst1 is smarter :;p |
| 18:08.41 | faenil_ | sandst1: to extract the bin? |
| 18:08.49 | sandst1 | faenil_: yup |
| 18:08.50 | faenil_ | not on the phone :P |
| 18:08.52 | faenil_ | ok |
| 18:09.13 | faenil_ | what about vi? :D |
| 18:09.18 | ajalkane | The Feeds app is now QML? |
| 18:09.39 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 18:09.43 | MohammadAG | they copied the iPhone |
| 18:09.45 | sandst1 | faenil_: well if you prefer reading a binary file with vi to unpacking the rootfs, then go for vi :P |
| 18:10.03 | faenil_ | I wanted to know how djszapi would have used vi to unpack it |
| 18:10.06 | MohammadAG | the status area lights up in annoying green during a call |
| 18:10.09 | faenil_ | :) |
| 18:10.14 | MohammadAG | it's shiny on the iPhone :/ |
| 18:10.16 | sandst1 | ah :) |
| 18:10.18 | javispedro | MohammadAG: the status area? |
| 18:10.24 | javispedro | hm |
| 18:10.32 | javispedro | I kinda triggered that behaviour in the old firmware |
| 18:10.40 | javispedro | don't know why but I got he status bar replaced with a green bar |
| 18:10.40 | sandst1 | djszapi: i'd also be interested in seeing some vi magic with the bin images : P |
| 18:11.10 | djszapi | sandst1: well he wanted to look into the binary, not unpack it :) |
| 18:11.16 | wazd | ooooh, commercial contestant to the MeeCast approaching :P |
| 18:11.27 | mece | wazd, what's that? |
| 18:11.32 | Stskeeps | could someone dpkg -l | grep opengles on a n950 beta2 for me? |
| 18:11.34 | *** join/#harmattan apol (~apol@84.78.178.63) |
| 18:11.34 | wazd | mece: accuweather |
| 18:11.39 | mece | yeah |
| 18:11.45 | faenil_ | djszapi: lol |
| 18:11.54 | apol | djszapi: it still errors in single user mode |
| 18:11.57 | apol | :/ |
| 18:12.12 | djszapi | I think that was advised by javispedro.. |
| 18:12.21 | apol | well XD |
| 18:12.23 | djszapi | apol, I would try to flash it manually by getting the binaries. |
| 18:12.23 | Stskeeps | wazd: you can easly make something better |
| 18:12.32 | macmaN_ | Stskeeps: |
| 18:12.33 | djszapi | apol and make a cold flash by using -c |
| 18:12.33 | macmaN_ | $ dpkg -l | grep opengles |
| 18:12.44 | macmaN_ | ii opengles-sgx-img-common 1:1.4.268+0m6 PowerVR SGX support libraries |
| 18:12.44 | MohammadAG | at least make it do the same as the iPhone |
| 18:12.44 | Stskeeps | macmaN_: thanks |
| 18:12.46 | MohammadAG | when clicking it on the iPhone it opens the call |
| 18:12.54 | ajalkane | The accuweather has some corporate advantage as it latches into the notifications view. Can third party software even do that? |
| 18:13.11 | apol | djszapi: -c doesn't work |
| 18:13.15 | mtd | any new sharing plugins? |
| 18:13.38 | macmaN_ | it seems that i am not able to import the directory full of vcf files now that i exported before reflas |
| 18:13.44 | wazd | Stskeeps: Well, I just briefly checked it and I guess we already did :) |
| 18:14.02 | mece | macmaN_, from x-term? |
| 18:14.19 | mece | macmaN_, oh misread.. right yeah it doesn't work. |
| 18:14.26 | macmaN_ | mece: no, from gui. i exported with gui, didnt think i wouldnt be able to import later. |
| 18:14.37 | mece | macmaN_, same problem |
| 18:14.44 | wazd | Stskeeps: I wonder where are all those crazy fx from the video |
| 18:15.18 | macmaN_ | mece: maybe its buried somewhere in Settings? |
| 18:15.37 | MohammadAG | ajalkane, no, not afaik |
| 18:15.46 | ieatlint | oooh, the mesage telling me there is no warranty for this device in the about screen is gone |
| 18:15.51 | ieatlint | clearly this means something |
| 18:16.02 | macmaN_ | lol ieatlint |
| 18:16.29 | macmaN_ | ieatlint: yes it means now you can make official complaint to djszapi |
| 18:16.36 | wazd | Stskeeps: now we can finally hack on the weather widget for "feed" view |
| 18:16.40 | *** join/#harmattan mece_ (~ircchatte@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:16.49 | ieatlint | djszapi: fix my broke ass shit... i demand satisfaction or a refund |
| 18:17.07 | mece_ | lol |
| 18:17.31 | MohammadAG | ieatlint, it's down there in about :P |
| 18:17.39 | MohammadAG | I noticed that |
| 18:17.41 | faenil_ | sandst1: -u is not a valid parameter |
| 18:17.46 | djszapi | ieatlint: what is wrong ? |
| 18:17.49 | ieatlint | oh, damn, you're right |
| 18:17.49 | MohammadAG | faenil_, -U |
| 18:17.53 | ieatlint | djszapi: disregard |
| 18:17.59 | MohammadAG | djszapi, don't fix his broke ass shit |
| 18:18.00 | faenil_ | oh |
| 18:18.04 | faenil_ | specifying usb device |
| 18:18.12 | djszapi | MohammadAG: no, unpack is -u |
| 18:18.24 | MohammadAG | my bad |
| 18:18.31 | sandst1 | faenil_: damn, they've hidden the option.. |
| 18:18.38 | faenil_ | lol |
| 18:18.44 | faenil_ | bastards XD |
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| 18:18.48 | djszapi | yeah, they have hidden many options.. |
| 18:18.59 | MohammadAG | you can use the old flasher |
| 18:19.03 | faenil_ | let's get the old flasher |
| 18:19.05 | sandst1 | yup |
| 18:19.05 | faenil_ | exactly!" |
| 18:19.06 | faenil_ | :D |
| 18:19.07 | sandst1 | that one has it |
| 18:19.45 | djszapi | apol: that might also be a try for you (old flasher) |
| 18:19.57 | faenil_ | bad boys wants to prevent me from studying it xD |
| 18:20.13 | djszapi | faenil_: how come ? You can study it on the device |
| 18:20.28 | RST38h | Uffff |
| 18:20.29 | faenil_ | well, it's much better with a 15" screen, u know :P |
| 18:20.31 | RST38h | Upgraded |
| 18:20.39 | djszapi | faenil_: use ssh ? |
| 18:20.48 | faenil_ | yeah that's another option |
| 18:20.50 | apol | djszapi: I think I'll try it on another system first |
| 18:21.04 | djszapi | apol: I hope it helps. |
| 18:21.15 | sandst1 | djszapi: also, ls runs faster with 4-6gb of memory :P |
| 18:21.52 | djszapi | sandst1: rewrite ls in asm for optimization :p |
| 18:22.12 | sandst1 | x) |
| 18:22.43 | faenil_ | mmm |
| 18:22.48 | faenil_ | -u is not in the command list |
| 18:23.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.25 | faenil_ | I don't have that here.. |
| 18:23.33 | faenil_ | .flasher 3.11.5 |
| 18:23.34 | ajalkane | The VKB comes a bit smoother up, nice. |
| 18:23.37 | faenil_ | (the old one) |
| 18:24.11 | faenil_ | which version are you using mohammadag? |
| 18:24.19 | sandst1 | faenil_: get an Older one. the N900 flasher, 2.5.2 |
| 18:24.21 | RST38h | Gentlemen, where do I get Chatter and FBreader/QML? |
| 18:24.25 | MohammadAG | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 18:24.27 | RST38h | Lost the debs and the URLs |
| 18:24.33 | ajalkane | Getting old contacts and calendar entries worked just fine as I had them synced to google services |
| 18:24.35 | faenil_ | ok.. |
| 18:24.43 | *** join/#harmattan deimos (~deimos@host125-135-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:25.22 | djszapi | sandst1: come to the Qt Developer Day ? |
| 18:25.42 | RST38h | ah found chatter |
| 18:25.51 | faenil_ | mohammadAg: so did you use n900's flasher to flash new fw? |
| 18:25.53 | MohammadAG | RST38h, where? |
| 18:25.57 | faenil_ | our of curiosity |
| 18:25.59 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 18:26.02 | RST38h | Mohammad: rZr repoI think, a moment |
| 18:26.03 | MohammadAG | it can't handle it |
| 18:26.03 | faenil_ | ok ;) |
| 18:26.03 | ajalkane | And some of the important things: There's now wallpapers to choose from. |
| 18:26.07 | faenil_ | yeah |
| 18:26.09 | sandst1 | djszapi: nope.. crossing events in calendar |
| 18:26.12 | faenil_ | guessed that |
| 18:26.39 | djszapi | N900 flasher did not work for me either half a year ago or so |
| 18:26.40 | RST38h | Yeah, RZR repo |
| 18:26.50 | *** join/#harmattan smoku (~spectrum@xkh0g2.infr.xiaoka.com) |
| 18:26.58 | smoku | hi |
| 18:27.15 | faenil_ | djszapi: new project at uni, find and implement a good UI for 3D CrossWords |
| 18:27.15 | faenil_ | xD |
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| 18:27.33 | smoku | does n950 flasher work under x64 distro? |
| 18:27.38 | djszapi | smoku: yes |
| 18:27.47 | djszapi | at least on arch :p |
| 18:27.51 | smoku | ERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses! |
| 18:28.04 | smoku | exactly the same problem I have with N900 flasher |
| 18:28.14 | MohammadAG | smoku, there's a flasher for amd64 and i386 |
| 18:28.19 | RST38h | Mohammad: Just for the fun of it, try "apt-get install diff" ;) |
| 18:28.51 | djszapi | smoku: I am using the 32 bit binary, though on my x86_64 |
| 18:29.05 | smoku | MohammadAG: the download page gives me only one option "Linux (565 MB)" - how do I get the 64bit flasher? |
| 18:29.18 | ieatlint | while i understand the reasoning, does anyone else find it a bit funny that it's the nfc-enabled version of angry birds installed? |
| 18:29.53 | djszapi | smoku: it is inside that |
| 18:30.04 | MohammadAG | smoku, what he said ^ |
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| 18:30.45 | MohammadAG | basically it picks what it wants |
| 18:30.45 | MohammadAG | or you can CTRL+Z the binary when it asks for a USB device and use the files in /tmp/selfextract* |
| 18:30.45 | ieatlint | they also haven't fixed the keyboard in terminal... to get a /, you still need to hold down alt/mod and @ simultaneously |
| 18:31.05 | ieatlint | despite most other alt/mod combos allowing you to press alt/mod, release, and then press the second key |
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| 18:31.41 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I think time to create a skeleton package that is gonna be a sample for binary testing :p |
| 18:32.16 | macmaN_ | mece_: looks like the only solution is maybe to import the vcfs into n900 and then sync n950 with n900 :> |
| 18:32.28 | MohammadAG | djszapi, nah |
| 18:32.28 | smoku | MohammadAG: how do I extract it then? |
| 18:32.32 | MohammadAG | there are better things to do :P |
| 18:32.38 | MohammadAG | smoku, run the binary |
| 18:32.39 | djszapi | smoku: the process will do that for you. |
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| 18:33.03 | djszapi | MohammadAG: well, that is the point. We do not wanna have a pain with testing binaries that much |
| 18:33.08 | djszapi | skeleton package could be adopted by anybody. |
| 18:33.25 | MohammadAG | Qt Creator does them well |
| 18:33.51 | djszapi | well, everything is the best for now then, alright :) |
| 18:34.29 | smoku | and pull it off /tmp. ok :) |
| 18:34.44 | ieatlint | i wonder why gtalk support wasn't included |
| 18:34.48 | ieatlint | or skype for that matter |
| 18:35.05 | djszapi | skype was not there internally either, but gtalk was on 34-1 |
| 18:35.09 | djszapi | so I am staying with that one... |
| 18:35.34 | ieatlint | are there seperate n950 internal images now? |
| 18:35.34 | smoku | getconf LONG_BIT = 64, so it uses 64bit version :/ |
| 18:35.58 | djszapi | ieatlint: yes, quite a lot iirc. |
| 18:36.03 | ajalkane | disappointed about the lack of gtalk. Good thing about the mc-tool workaround |
| 18:36.37 | ieatlint | damn, i traded sexual favours for the 38-1, but i don't think it'll work again for an updated n950 one :( |
| 18:37.21 | mece | hmm why is it downloading a 488Mb file when it says it should be 565Mb? |
| 18:37.37 | macmaN_ | ajalkane: mc-tool enabling gtalk is a hack or just a cmdline way of doing it with no gui |
| 18:38.08 | faenil_ | any tool to extract jffs2 in windows? |
| 18:38.16 | djszapi | I wonder whether I could fight this gtalk plugin out tomorrow from the SDK team in the repository.. |
| 18:38.16 | macmaN_ | mece: cdn caching joys probably. i never did get a correct download, had a gracious finn guy help me out just letting me download off his server |
| 18:38.33 | djszapi | but I will ask them about the why though |
| 18:38.40 | mece | macmaN_, any chance to get a share? |
| 18:38.41 | macmaN_ | djszapi: go d go j go s go z go a go p go i |
| 18:38.55 | mece | djszapi, that would be lovely! |
| 18:39.05 | djszapi | telepathy-gabble is already there, so if they can put that package, that would change the world :) |
| 18:39.07 | mece | im is the thing I've been missing the most |
| 18:39.15 | macmaN_ | mece: a bit later, i'm on the move right now and the image is in my laptop. |
| 18:39.23 | mece | macmaN_, ok |
| 18:39.54 | macmaN_ | mece: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 seems to have some approach for shell vcardconverter for loop |
| 18:40.00 | macmaN_ | mece: i think that could work |
| 18:40.04 | faenil_ | ok extracted mmc, it was fat32 :) |
| 18:40.10 | mece | macmaN_, yeah |
| 18:40.15 | faenil_ | what about jffs2? does anybody know a tool for windows? |
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| 19:45.54 | piggz | found developer mode under securoty |
| 19:49.14 | mece | vitaminj, I absomalutely need to get those calendar dates imported. did you modify your backup? |
| 19:51.47 | Venemo | macmaN_, ping |
| 19:51.53 | macmaN_ | sup |
| 19:51.59 | Venemo | did you write this? |
| 19:52.03 | Venemo | for i in *.vcf; do mv "$i" ._temp.vcf; vcardconverter "._temp.vcf"; done |
| 19:52.07 | macmaN_ | i did |
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| 19:52.20 | Venemo | doesn't this eventually dele all .vcf files in the actual folder? |
| 19:52.21 | jykae | hey, what new flasher version brings to n950? |
| 19:52.28 | macmaN_ | Venemo: it does |
| 19:52.40 | jykae | release notes somewhere? |
| 19:52.42 | macmaN_ | i guess cp is safer :> |
| 19:53.38 | Venemo | for i in *.vcf; do cp "$i" ._temp.vcf; vcardconverter "._temp.vcf"; rm "._temp.vcf"; done |
| 19:53.40 | macmaN_ | Venemo: ok edited :> |
| 19:53.50 | Venemo | :) |
| 19:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 19:56.00 | Venemo | macmaN_ :) |
| 19:57.11 | rzr | hi |
| 19:57.23 | vitaminj | mece: flash complete, just importing special edition backup in a moment |
| 19:57.39 | rzr | i just saw about that fw release |
| 19:58.59 | rantom | Any experiences about the new FW? |
| 19:59.08 | macmaN_ | rantom: i find very very good |
| 19:59.11 | macmaN_ | it* |
| 19:59.20 | rzr | how long could it take to reflah it on windows host |
| 19:59.38 | macmaN_ | i doubt its different on any of them |
| 19:59.41 | macmaN_ | 20+min |
| 20:00.02 | rzr | i am now on a small island only w. n950 |
| 20:00.17 | rzr | how big is the archive |
| 20:00.30 | macmaN_ | half a gig as usual |
| 20:00.34 | mece | vitaminj, what did you do with the backup? |
| 20:01.13 | rzr | this will took me forever |
| 20:01.34 | rantom | Ok, next question |
| 20:01.35 | macmaN_ | i manually copied stuff i wanted out of the device before flashing |
| 20:01.43 | rantom | How do I transfer the backup to my computer? |
| 20:01.52 | vitaminj | mece: deleted some of the zips and rummaged around inside another - let's see if this works |
| 20:01.52 | macmaN_ | i wanted system stuff to be fresh |
| 20:02.06 | mece | vitaminj, did you modify the meta file? |
| 20:02.59 | rantom | Nvm, found it, it's in .backups |
| 20:03.31 | vitaminj | mece: nope - did a dry run pre-reflash and it seemed happy with my meddling |
| 20:04.21 | rantom | macmaN_: Btw, any experience about Bt-handset or GSM-coverage in new FW? |
| 20:05.38 | vitaminj | mece: calendar is ok, accounts and email (despite leaving the email db in the backup) are empty - just setting up twitter |
| 20:05.46 | Venemo | rantom: |
| 20:05.47 | Venemo | gsm coverage seems a lot better |
| 20:05.56 | dm8tbr | depends if there is a new CMT firmware in this |
| 20:06.05 | Venemo | disconnections are a lot rarer |
| 20:06.36 | mece | I don't think I've been disconnected once with the old firmware. |
| 20:06.36 | Venemo | and even if I get out of coverage (eg. in metro), it can restore the connection (without the apps noticing any disconnection) |
| 20:06.45 | vitaminj | mece: "sorry, can't connect to twitter" GRAH |
| 20:06.51 | mece | oh wait.. data connection.. yeah |
| 20:06.58 | mece | vitaminj, DOH! |
| 20:07.17 | mece | you were supposed to leave out accounts. |
| 20:07.19 | rantom | Hmhh |
| 20:07.34 | rantom | Can't update OTA so I'll have to update OneClickFlasher-method :( |
| 20:07.35 | vitaminj | ok so it must be something else - maybe I should look at those backup files more carefully |
| 20:07.35 | rantom | Oh well |
| 20:07.51 | vitaminj | I did leave out accounts, the email db is a separate file |
| 20:08.30 | rantom | I'm very, VERY, glad to see that there's WiFi hotspot in this FW |
| 20:08.36 | rantom | I wasn't even expecting it |
| 20:09.34 | macmaN_ | rantom: hmm no, havent connected my jawbone yet |
| 20:09.59 | rantom | macmaN_: Ok. I'll try it some day since it was horrible in the old FW |
| 20:10.09 | macmaN_ | im off to bed |
| 20:10.12 | rantom | No, not horrible, inusable is the right word |
| 20:10.13 | rantom | :P |
| 20:10.14 | rantom | ok |
| 20:10.25 | Venemo | does the wifi hotspot app work reliably? |
| 20:10.29 | rantom | Thanks anyways |
| 20:11.02 | dm8tbr | as reliably as some add-hoc thingy can work... |
| 20:11.35 | dm8tbr | had lot's of 'fun' with it and his windoze work laptop ... |
| 20:12.33 | rantom | Noob asking |
| 20:12.44 | rantom | How do I start the .bin from OS X in Terminal? |
| 20:12.46 | rantom | :< |
| 20:12.51 | rzr | what about xmpp ? |
| 20:13.03 | dm8tbr | mc-tool? :) |
| 20:13.09 | mece | rzr, no xmpp :/ |
| 20:13.34 | mece | hey so should I export vcard 2.1 or 3.0? |
| 20:13.47 | dm8tbr | if you want XMPP. I'd strongly suggest to look at writing an custom account-plugin for it |
| 20:14.11 | dm8tbr | it would be awesome. and there is example code available |
| 20:14.41 | vitaminj | rantom: instructions are on the download page - chmod +x [file], ./[file] |
| 20:14.44 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/xmpp |
| 20:15.39 | rantom | vitaminj: Yes, I read those, didn't work |
| 20:15.58 | rantom | It doesn't print "waiting for suitable USB-device" |
| 20:16.13 | dm8tbr | meego/harmattan account plugin, not bitlbee, different tool... |
| 20:16.20 | rantom | vitaminj: chmod +x <Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin> ./Mac_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 20:16.32 | rantom | Doesn't work without the <> |
| 20:16.44 | rantom | either |
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| 20:17.57 | rantom | Damn I'm stupid... |
| 20:18.12 | vitaminj | random: two separate commands? don't use the angles, press tab to make sure the filename is right? |
| 20:18.45 | rantom | vitaminj: Yes, I ran it now as two separate commands |
| 20:18.48 | rantom | chmod +x FILE |
| 20:18.53 | rantom | ./FILE |
| 20:18.57 | rantom | nothing happens |
| 20:20.10 | rzr | how did u get your n950 ? |
| 20:20.31 | rantom | Stskeeps: ^ |
| 20:21.01 | Khertan | rzr : via dhc |
| 20:21.06 | Khertan | dhl |
| 20:21.07 | rzr | ls -l file |
| 20:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 20:21.09 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 20:21.13 | Khertan | Hello all :) |
| 20:21.20 | Venemo | hey Khertan |
| 20:21.43 | rantom | rzr: I've helped in the CE in #meego-arm |
| 20:21.48 | rzr | u probally overide that file when u used > |
| 20:23.03 | rzr | hi Khertan havent u noticed some cut and paste issue between apps sometimes ? |
| 20:23.03 | rantom | Yep, re-downloaded, re-chmod and now it is waiting for it |
| 20:23.05 | rantom | Thanks |
| 20:24.48 | rzr | how to resured fenix ? |
| 20:24.50 | Khertan | rzr, sometime no, often yes |
| 20:25.37 | Khertan | rzr, this occurs specially between qml and not qml apps |
| 20:25.42 | Khertan | specially fennec |
| 20:25.48 | Khertan | and email |
| 20:26.36 | Khertan | so how many of you did you flash for the new firmware ? |
| 20:26.47 | rantom | Flashing atm |
| 20:26.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 20:27.20 | alterego | I'm running it |
| 20:27.26 | alterego | all fine here :) |
| 20:27.29 | rantom | Just happened to visit the OneClickFlasher-site and noticed the date, almost instant "heck yeah I'll flash it" :P |
| 20:27.53 | mece | mine is ok now, except I don't have contacts and one of my email accounts don't work. |
| 20:27.58 | nibbler | just flashed. and i really like what i see |
| 20:28.11 | Khertan | what did you see ? |
| 20:28.20 | rantom | A N950 |
| 20:28.23 | rantom | "hehehe" |
| 20:29.16 | alterego | I like the added weather bit in the feed home screen |
| 20:29.31 | rantom | Do the birthdays show up in it? |
| 20:29.31 | nibbler | Khertan: many small improvements and bugfixes. and a twitter app \o/ |
| 20:29.33 | rantom | The feed |
| 20:29.47 | Khertan | installation from non store source is off by default |
| 20:30.13 | Khertan | hum time to backup :) |
| 20:30.42 | Khertan | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html |
| 20:30.48 | rantom | Is restoring the backup as simple as to paste .zip's to .backups ? |
| 20:31.09 | mece | openharmattan |
| 20:32.00 | mece | rantom, unfortunately that will mess things up in a big way. |
| 20:32.01 | vitaminj | rantom: don't do that you'll nuke twitter |
| 20:32.12 | mece | rantom, also you'll not get the contacts |
| 20:32.23 | Khertan | hum, not really nice |
| 20:32.31 | Khertan | how backup contact so ? |
| 20:32.43 | mece | export to vcard apparently |
| 20:32.48 | vitaminj | mece: I've pretty much blitzed the important bits of my home dir and twitter still isn't working |
| 20:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | my import of * from 900 to 950 old FW resulted in 98 contacts imported fine, but none of the events/calendar_appointments |
| 20:33.32 | vitaminj | perhaps I should approach this problem from the other end and restore zips one by one and see which one fries it |
| 20:33.33 | mece | vitaminj, mine is working now, but I haven't restored, so I have nothing there. |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | no todos here, so can't comment on those |
| 20:34.09 | rantom | mece: Ok, so I have a useless backup. Oh well, I don't really care about the conversations.. |
| 20:34.22 | mece | rantom, pretty much yeah. |
| 20:34.26 | rantom | vitaminj: I won't nuke twitter, I don't even have an account to it |
| 20:34.37 | Khertan | it s not a good news |
| 20:34.37 | mece | rantom then it's fine |
| 20:34.40 | vitaminj | rantom: yeah, those don't get restored either. in fact they didn't get backed up - the file is empty |
| 20:34.57 | mece | rantom, you still won't get the contacts |
| 20:35.05 | rantom | mece: I backed up my contacts |
| 20:35.06 | Venemo | Khertan, in old fw, export contacts to files. in new fw, you can hack those .vcf files into the contacts app |
| 20:35.11 | mece | rantom, how? |
| 20:35.33 | rantom | mece: Simple. Contacts - bottom right corner - Export contacts and tap all of them |
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| 20:35.37 | rantom | Takes a while |
| 20:35.44 | vitaminj | rantom: is the right answer |
| 20:35.45 | rantom | Then USB to the computer and copy-paste folder |
| 20:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | ^A |
| 20:35.51 | mece | rantom, then you can import them via script |
| 20:36.01 | rantom | Good |
| 20:36.08 | vitaminj | rantom: the wrong answer for "how do I backup" is of course "use the backup app" |
| 20:36.13 | rantom | :D |
| 20:36.23 | rantom | In this case, yes |
| 20:37.25 | vitaminj | and then don't expect ovi contacts to save the day, as "restore device" actually means "let device replace your database with its (empty) database" |
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| 20:38.06 | rantom | Hah |
| 20:38.12 | rantom | Nah, I don't use OVI really |
| 20:38.22 | mece | I managed to do that to my N900 contacts |
| 20:38.28 | rantom | Might try to download Flashlight and Filemanager again |
| 20:39.15 | rantom | mece: I imported my contacts from my N900 to N950, worked like a charm. Except that some addresses were off (ÃÃÃ
) and some data was missing, I think |
| 20:39.31 | mece | rantom, with the new firmware? |
| 20:39.36 | rantom | No, the old |
| 20:39.44 | mece | reantom, yeah that worked perfectly |
| 20:39.53 | mece | rantom, the new, not so much. |
| 20:40.09 | rantom | Well crap |
| 20:40.25 | rantom | Luckily I have only 48 contacts |
| 20:40.35 | mece | I have 300ish |
| 20:40.36 | rantom | And maybe 20 of those I can scrap |
| 20:40.37 | vitaminj | would I be totally out of whack to suggest that this release got not quite enough testing |
| 20:40.44 | mece | hehehe |
| 20:40.56 | mece | well the ones testing it had releases in between.. |
| 20:40.57 | vitaminj | and if so, why can't they just give us access to nightly/weekly drops? |
| 20:41.21 | rantom | vitaminj: You're not filling me with hopes. I'm running the N950 as daily device.. |
| 20:41.22 | mece | vitaminj, then we'd have these problems every week |
| 20:41.35 | rantom | is preparing to boot N900 up.. |
| 20:41.38 | mece | rantom, me too, so I'm just slightly screwed |
| 20:41.41 | vitaminj | if the official line is "you'll drop your data each time" (which I'm perfectly fine with) |
| 20:42.03 | mece | i did not expect the backup tool to fail. |
| 20:42.04 | macmaN_ | rantom: my contacts ÃÃÃÃ imported fine from N900 |
| 20:42.07 | vitaminj | yeah I'm using it as my main device too |
| 20:42.18 | mece | macmaN_, how did you do it finally? |
| 20:42.19 | rantom | macmaN_: Then I remember wrong |
| 20:42.23 | vitaminj | just went back to the n900 to backup contacts and grimaced at the ui |
| 20:42.32 | rantom | But there was some issue in the bt-sync from N900 to N950 in the old.. |
| 20:42.45 | macmaN_ | mece: do what, when? |
| 20:42.51 | mece | macmaN_, to get the contacts |
| 20:43.01 | vitaminj | rantom: I think that was stability, rather than not remembering which way to send the database |
| 20:43.13 | macmaN_ | oh, i initiated the transfer from some n900 buried menu item |
| 20:43.19 | rantom | Alright, flashed |
| 20:44.51 | vitaminj | I'm flashing again too and trying the least dangerous backup-restore possible, to see at what point the hosing occurs |
| 20:45.25 | rantom | Wow |
| 20:45.39 | rantom | I did read that there was no DEVELOPER EDITION present anymore |
| 20:45.47 | rantom | Never realised the space that it took |
| 20:46.03 | macmaN_ | yeah, topbar is freedom galore now |
| 20:46.11 | rantom | Oh, SIM-card services app is there |
| 20:46.20 | rantom | Angry Birds \o/ |
| 20:46.24 | vitaminj | until it puts "emergency calls only" in there |
| 20:46.42 | rantom | Grrrh |
| 20:46.51 | rantom | No "swip to bottom to close" yet |
| 20:46.55 | vitaminj | at which point there's no room any more. giveth / taketh away |
| 20:47.02 | vitaminj | rantom: it's in settings, screen |
| 20:47.13 | rantom | vitaminj: Yep, just checking it |
| 20:49.28 | mece | yeah I'm out. tata. |
| 20:49.37 | rantom | Bye |
| 20:53.48 | macmaN_ | i don't like a greyed out "back" button in UIs |
| 20:54.00 | macmaN_ | ovi store app seems to have chosen this approach |
| 20:54.15 | macmaN_ | if there's no back operation possible, hide the damn button |
| 20:54.37 | MohammadAG | +1 |
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| 20:55.18 | macmaN_ | i just supported thp buying gpodder off ovi store |
| 20:55.25 | macmaN_ | but the download hangs at "started downloading" |
| 20:55.36 | macmaN_ | anyone experience this with Store? |
| 20:55.58 | macmaN_ | some other free apps downloaded and installed fine |
| 20:56.04 | macmaN_ | trying a fresh reboot now |
| 20:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | UHUH, OVI thinks I synced with a Nokia Dali+ device, whatever that is |
| 20:56.22 | macmaN_ | Dali, that's a speaker brand |
| 20:57.13 | rantom | Downloading developer-mode.. |
| 20:57.48 | rantom | I just hope that the darn Ovi Store would work now |
| 20:57.54 | rantom | I want Filemanager back |
| 20:59.01 | MohammadAG | I want flashlight |
| 20:59.04 | MohammadAG | it's not on it anymore |
| 20:59.10 | rantom | That too |
| 20:59.20 | rantom | And newsflow |
| 20:59.57 | macmaN_ | oh yeah, gotta reinstall file manager |
| 21:00.00 | macmaN_ | that isnt in store is it |
| 21:00.17 | rantom | I think it is? |
| 21:00.29 | rantom | What was the script to import contacts? |
| 21:00.51 | macmaN_ | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 |
| 21:01.16 | macmaN_ | uhm, where have Downloads gone from status menu |
| 21:02.51 | MohammadAG | Transfers? that's worrying |
| 21:02.55 | MohammadAG | but they're still there for me |
| 21:03.28 | rantom | Wow |
| 21:03.41 | rantom | My OS X has an icon to the N950 |
| 21:03.53 | rantom | And it's not anymore N9xx, it's N950 |
| 21:03.57 | vitaminj | DocScrutinizer: don't touch the "restore device" button in the "dali" box btw, if I haven't banged on about that enough, it'll wipe the cloud side and transfer nothing |
| 21:03.58 | macmaN_ | thats what the .icns file gives you |
| 21:04.02 | macmaN_ | on the device |
| 21:04.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, fenix thinks it's an N9 |
| 21:04.15 | rantom | yep |
| 21:04.45 | rantom | Funnily enough it's an icon of the N9 in white ;) |
| 21:05.02 | vitaminj | rantom: cheeky swines |
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| 21:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | is it just me or is there actually *no* way to see *all* available pkgs in OVI store? "top free", "best sellers", "new" doesn't exactly sound like any of the 3 will allow to see *all* |
| 21:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi, wb |
| 21:07.05 | macmaN_ | there's some buried menu item there saying All Applications and themsuch |
| 21:07.08 | javispedro | hi |
| 21:07.09 | macmaN_ | i was wondering about that too |
| 21:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | macmaN_: can't find it |
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| 21:07.43 | macmaN_ | i think it appears in the bottom of one of those categories |
| 21:08.29 | vitaminj | you can go to the categories tab, all apps, newest and you get an mega-scrolling infinite-list |
| 21:09.10 | macmaN_ | the bullshitspamminess of that list is very bad after a couple of pages |
| 21:09.21 | macmaN_ | is there some mechanism to combat that? |
| 21:09.46 | macmaN_ | id like to just skip all the pdf tutorials that are sold as apps |
| 21:10.11 | SpeedEvil | Content should be able to be sold as apps. |
| 21:10.17 | SpeedEvil | Just not right alongside the apps |
| 21:10.34 | macmaN_ | right |
| 21:10.47 | macmaN_ | totally devalues others |
| 21:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | on "categories" (middle button toolbar) -> "appliations" -> "All application": I get a mega list but still tagged "new" |
| 21:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | (top free)_(Best sellers)_>NEW< |
| 21:15.31 | rantom | Ergh |
| 21:15.39 | rantom | Where's my transferred folder? |
| 21:15.43 | rantom | MyDocs is empty |
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| 21:16.05 | MohammadAG | unmounted + ejected + unplugged? |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | the wonders of "mount" |
| 21:18.37 | rantom | I'm via SSH |
| 21:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/somefolder/foo bs=500M count=1; mount -o bind /someotherfolder /somefolder |
| 21:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | ls /somefolder -> empty |
| 21:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | df -h /somefolder -> 500MB used up by ???? |
| 21:20.08 | rantom | *sigh* |
| 21:20.15 | rantom | I can't even find my Music |
| 21:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | rantom: unplug the mass storage |
| 21:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | mass storage unmounts MyDocs |
| 21:21.03 | rantom | DocScrutinizer: I'm in Sync |
| 21:21.09 | rantom | And then using SSH |
| 21:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | so ~user/MyDocs is just an empty folder, not a VFAT fs |
| 21:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# mount|grep vfat |
| 21:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,rodir,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | check that |
| 21:24.01 | rantom | mount|grep vfat |
| 21:24.01 | rantom | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,rodir,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:24.31 | rantom | Now it found them |
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| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 21:26.36 | rantom | YES |
| 21:26.48 | rantom | There's Select All button for exporting contacts |
| 21:26.51 | rantom | Thank you! |
| 21:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly wonder what that ubuntu crap might be .oO(???) "Ubuntu, by SoVera|Apps, Applications > Utilities; Ubuntu in Symbian" |
| 21:29.14 | javispedro | the twitter app is nice |
| 21:35.09 | RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, how do I add a GTalk account with mc-tool??? |
| 21:36.31 | javispedro | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-08-24.log.html#t2011-08-24T08:26:40 |
| 21:36.33 | javispedro | RST38h^^ |
| 21:36.39 | javispedro | this should be put on a wiki or something.. |
| 21:36.58 | macmaN_ | rantom: yeah that Select All button is new i believe. previously only ctrl+a saved you. |
| 21:38.24 | rantom | macmaN_: Damn, how come I didn't think of that.. |
| 21:38.49 | macmaN_ | yes daniel san, you still have lot to learn |
| 21:38.53 | rantom | Ovi Store works btw |
| 21:39.06 | macmaN_ | sits down in lotus position and starts praying |
| 21:40.25 | macmaN_ | found something that's missing from Store app |
| 21:40.33 | macmaN_ | some sort of an ability to follow a developer |
| 21:40.45 | macmaN_ | "let me know when they have new apps out" |
| 21:41.24 | rantom | Hmm |
| 21:41.49 | rantom | Is it just me or is the vkb in Store different than in e.g. newsflow? |
| 21:42.10 | rantom | The @ wasn't in bottom-row in newsflow whereas in Store and email it was |
| 21:42.34 | medri | macman_ shouldn't this be done in a separate newsletter from the developer homepage? |
| 21:42.43 | ajalkane | Ovi music seems nice. |
| 21:43.10 | MohammadAG | till you realize you have to pay in tokens |
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| 21:43.24 | macmaN_ | medri: it should be available anywhere. if the customer cant do it right away on impulse, it's a lost cause. nobody is going to take *any* extra steps for following or whatnot. |
| 21:44.22 | medri | macman_ I'm just not sure if it will get messy b/c of too much information |
| 21:44.29 | RST38h | javisedro: yohoho! thanks! |
| 21:45.12 | macmaN_ | medri: when you press "All by x", there's plenty of whitespace for a Follow button methinks.. |
| 21:45.12 | javispedro | RST38h: btw, you can start new chats from conversations app just fine |
| 21:45.17 | javispedro | RST38h: just not from contacts list |
| 21:45.40 | macmaN_ | im quite interested in seeing what skype is gonna be like on harmattan |
| 21:46.06 | MohammadAG | same as it was on Fremantle |
| 21:46.14 | medri | macman_: maybe ur right, this could be something similar to a rss-feed |
| 21:46.15 | RST38h | javispedro: there is a tool for that, called Peregrine, available from Ovi store |
| 21:46.17 | MohammadAG | the skype icon in the menu just sends you to contacts |
| 21:46.26 | javispedro | RST38h: _what?_ |
| 21:46.35 | RST38h | javisedro: no, really. try it. |
| 21:46.36 | macmaN_ | MohammadAG: ok, thats fine with me |
| 21:46.43 | RST38h | The author frequents this channel too |
| 21:46.53 | macmaN_ | MohammadAG: i thought fremantle conversations was the best mobile conversations approach ive ever had |
| 21:47.07 | RST38h | javispedro: the app basically shows the contact list, with statuses, and lets you start conversations |
| 21:47.19 | javispedro | but the conversations app itself also does that |
| 21:47.33 | javispedro | you just need to tap on the start chat toolbar icon |
| 21:47.54 | RST38h | true |
| 21:47.59 | RST38h | hmmmm |
| 21:48.43 | RST38h | Whole thing look like a much nicer looking step back from Maemo5 though =( |
| 21:49.03 | RST38h | will go hit the bed |
| 21:49.50 | javispedro | wth, ovi store. |
| 21:49.56 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Microsoft will be taking a walled-garden approach to Metro apps, only allowing enterprises and developers to side-load Metro apps in Windows 8, while everyone else will have to go through the Windows Store. Note that this only applies to Metro apps; the model for traditional desktop apps won't change. |
| 21:50.43 | javispedro | an app called "MeeGo", description "Meego By Linux", costs Eur1.06 |
| 21:50.53 | RST38h | Nice |
| 21:51.02 | javispedro | it's on the "top sales" list |
| 21:51.07 | rantom | MohammadAG: File Manager is still downloadable from outside of Ovi Store as .deb, can't find flashlight thought, now |
| 21:51.48 | RST38h | <sleep> |
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| 21:54.48 | khertan | pfff |
| 21:54.48 | MohammadAG | is there a way to import vcf files? |
| 21:54.50 | khertan | http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/25e9df89-6fbf-4802-a335-ca9695250144/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Lin/Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin?fdptoken=1316553207_18deffddfa6629aea8b4a2e908493302 |
| 21:55.00 | javispedro | what the hell are the ovi store reviews thinking? |
| 21:55.06 | khertan | Extracting the archive from OneClickFlasher ... |
| 21:55.06 | khertan | Extracting started at 23:54:23 |
| 21:55.06 | khertan | tar: Fin prématurée rencontrée dans l'archive. |
| 21:55.06 | khertan | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 21:55.07 | khertan | Extracting the archive from OneClickFlasher ... |
| 21:55.09 | khertan | Extracting started at 23:54:23 |
| 21:55.11 | khertan | tar: Fin prématurée rencontrée dans l'archive. |
| 21:55.12 | rantom | MohammadAG: http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Contacts |
| 21:55.13 | khertan | tar: Fin prématurée rencontrée dans l'archive. |
| 21:55.15 | khertan | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 21:55.22 | khertan | oups sorry ... pastebin script not working |
| 21:55.58 | khertan | what did you use to download the firmware ? |
| 21:56.00 | rantom | khertan: Hmm? |
| 21:56.13 | MohammadAG | size 592272572 md5sum 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 |
| 21:56.16 | MohammadAG | wget |
| 21:56.19 | khertan | ... :( |
| 21:56.27 | MohammadAG | on the server, axel on my laptop |
| 21:56.27 | khertan | so blame my isp |
| 21:57.00 | khertan | MohammadAG: even wget give me wrong size |
| 21:57.17 | khertan | i always got such error in the past with maemo firmware too |
| 21:57.32 | khertan | look like a stupid mirror site |
| 21:57.43 | khertan | maybe using a proxy will resolv things |
| 21:57.44 | khertan | ... |
| 21:58.30 | kimju | there seems to be some caching issues within the cdn nokia is using. some nodes give truncated file, some even zero bytes. |
| 21:59.15 | khertan | yep look like ... wget request report wrong size |
| 21:59.35 | khertan | kimju: this mirror look like worst than the problem they fix |
| 22:00.43 | khertan | specially when resume isn't working ... |
| 22:00.57 | khertan | shutting up now ... optimizing bandwith |
| 22:01.08 | khertan | :) |
| 22:01.13 | khertan | good night all |
| 22:02.20 | ajalkane | seems slightly faster so far. Of course, might change once I've installed similar amount of apps |
| 22:02.51 | javispedro | it's slightly slower here |
| 22:03.18 | javispedro | dragging even on the main screen has a certain "latency" |
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| 22:16.55 | ajalkane | Forme the old fw was jerky and laggy especially when swiping around app grid. Now its smooth |
| 22:17.15 | ajalkane | The vkb see |
| 22:17.32 | ajalkane | ms to come up snoother also |
| 22:19.57 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - OK - now I can open accounts - but ovi store does not work |
| 22:20.22 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 22:20.32 | SpeedEvil | fails connecting to the internet. |
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| 22:48.58 | javispedro | I take back everything negative I said about this beta2 release, it's the best ever. |
| 22:49.08 | javispedro | (just found out RSS links now open in new windows =) ) |
| 22:51.20 | vitaminj | also, I've discovered a way to avoid the restore snafu and am happy now |
| 22:51.36 | khertan | is waiting erasing, which take a while |
| 22:51.51 | khertan | the restore snafu ? |
| 22:52.31 | vitaminj | restoring an old backup on the new firmware kills twitter |
| 22:53.09 | vitaminj | it's something in the gconf restore that does it, but you can easily live without that and get everything else that's restorable (i.e. not contacts or sms logs) |
| 22:53.43 | vitaminj | you need to edit settings.zip in the backup and delete Root\home\user\MyDocs |
| 22:54.02 | vitaminj | restore won't restore the old incompatible gconf values, job done |
| 22:54.24 | vitaminj | only took 4 flashes to work that out |
| 22:54.25 | khertan | thx for the tips |
| 22:54.28 | khertan | :) |
| 22:54.35 | vitaminj | shakes fist in a finnwardly direction |
| 22:55.07 | vitaminj | but now it's all good |
| 22:55.50 | vitaminj | I'm even getting the sense that they might have fixed offline map downloading |
| 22:56.24 | vitaminj | although the cdn still insists on trickling the maps at me at an excruciatingly slow pace |
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| 22:59.47 | apol | is it possible that I lost the "SDK Connectivity" application after the flashing? |
| 23:00.07 | khertan | activate devel mode |
| 23:00.14 | khertan | and install devel tool :) |
| 23:00.41 | khertan | it s not installed by default (from what i heard .... still waiting for a while the erasing) |
| 23:01.16 | apol | uuuh |
| 23:01.20 | apol | devel mode |
| 23:01.23 | apol | where's that :P |
| 23:01.42 | trx | apol i found this in Release Notes : |
| 23:01.44 | trx | * Ensure that USB is in SDK mode (from Settings->Accessories->USB)before |
| 23:01.44 | trx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.44 | trx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.07 | apol | it is |
| 23:02.10 | apol | i just miss the ap |
| 23:02.11 | apol | app |
| 23:02.44 | trx | no idea then |
| 23:02.48 | trx | i dont use it |
| 23:02.58 | apol | aaah xD |
| 23:03.03 | apol | I don't have the terminal either XD |
| 23:03.22 | artemma | Funny, twitter client doesn't support lists. Can't say about everybody, but I use lists about 99% of time, watching everybody who I follow is nearly useless :) |
| 23:05.37 | vitaminj | apol: turn devel mode off then on again, it seems you don't have the two apps for whatever reason |
| 23:06.28 | apol | oh i see |
| 23:06.35 | apol | probably the backup app is a little buggy |
| 23:06.44 | apol | it's installing the stuff now |
| 23:06.47 | khertan | :) |
| 23:07.20 | vitaminj | apol: did you restore a backup? |
| 23:07.59 | apol | vitaminj: yes |
| 23:08.39 | vitaminj | oh dear |
| 23:08.44 | vitaminj | did you want to use twitter |
| 23:08.56 | apol | i don't care about twitter |
| 23:08.58 | apol | why? |
| 23:09.01 | vitaminj | oh ok cool |
| 23:09.07 | vitaminj | restore from old fw clobbers it |
| 23:09.22 | apol | xD great |
| 23:09.26 | vitaminj | I've roughly narrowed it down, but not enough to fix a clobbered phone |
| 23:09.37 | vitaminj | only to stop the clobbering pre-restore |
| 23:09.42 | vitaminj | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-20.log.html#t2011-09-20T01:51:20 |
| 23:10.38 | vitaminj | where can I put that so that people don't get tripped over restoring backups? |
| 23:10.48 | vitaminj | ... except in the nokia release notes! |
| 23:11.04 | vitaminj | there's no specific wiki page or forum thread for this update really is there |
| 23:12.05 | apol | vitaminj: you can try the n950_landing_page |
| 23:12.46 | vitaminj | true, worth a try I suppose |
| 23:14.03 | apol | vitaminj: i do have twitter working though |
| 23:14.12 | apol | i'm not sure what's your problem |
| 23:14.20 | vitaminj | it won't log in |
| 23:14.44 | vitaminj | well, at least for a bunch of us |
| 23:16.18 | apol | i see |
| 23:16.29 | apol | i still can't login |
| 23:17.40 | vitaminj | aside: the map manager has only gone and worked - it's a miracle! |
| 23:18.18 | vitaminj | you should be able to re-enter passwords for all other accounts and have them work, but twitter doesn't |
| 23:18.30 | apol | vitaminj: I can't login on ssh |
| 23:18.32 | apol | (sorry -.-) |
| 23:19.18 | apol | doesn't answer either in usb or wifi |
| 23:20.54 | apol | now on wifi, no usb :P |
| 23:30.22 | vitaminj | oh, not sure about that one |
| 23:31.13 | vitaminj | let me prod mine with qt creator |
| 23:33.04 | vitaminj | yep, it's happy - sorry |
| 23:34.18 | vitaminj | surely that's not a "restore" issue - I dev mode up and running, inc. the sdk connectivity widget? |
| 23:34.41 | vitaminj | s/I/is/ |
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| 23:35.43 | zx2c4 | new firmware is mazing |
| 23:36.49 | alterego | neat, youtube works |
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| 23:57.00 | epage | I'm calling into a slot and want to add a new page to the page stack with the slot's return value as the model. Any recommendations, tips, pitfalls for doing this? I'm trying to set the model through pageStack.push(, {model: model}) but it doesn't seem to take |
