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| 00:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 01:50.34 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer, berndhs, artemma yes, you're correct, the way to do it is via mime-types |
| 01:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 01:51.04 | ieatlint | you specify a new mime type in an xml file in /usr/share/contentaction/, then set your .desktop file to handle it |
| 01:51.53 | ieatlint | so i just made a "lp-event:12345" scheme, so when you press on the notification, launches my app with "12345" as an argument to the app |
| 01:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | you're sure you need to care about setting the new mimetype in contentaction? |
| 01:52.10 | ieatlint | uh, no, i didn't test |
| 01:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think on fremantle that was done by some "magic" |
| 01:52.18 | ieatlint | will try without even creating the xml |
| 01:52.57 | ieatlint | the libcontentaction docs aren't the best :( |
| 01:53.35 | ieatlint | you are indeed correct, forego the xml file |
| 01:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format |
| 01:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | MimeType |
| 01:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | Parsed by libhildonmime, this field relates the mime type of a file to the applications which can be used to open it. |
| 01:55.57 | ieatlint | yep, you add this line to your desktop file: "MimeType=x-maemo-urischeme/blah" and then "blah:" will open your app, and anything after the : will be an argument to the app |
| 01:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | err, dunno - maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler |
| 01:56.30 | ieatlint | if your app is already running though, it'll just bring it to the foreground |
| 02:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | that's probably yet another problem, also seen when you invoke same app twice from e.g xterm |
| 02:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | something[TM] will notice the app is already running and will just switch it to front (not always obviously, there *are* apps that can get invoked multiple times concurrently) |
| 02:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | for those who can't it's probably that something[TM] that's responsible to make the original instance take the parameters from second invocation or via dbus or whatever |
| 02:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | imagine e.g. notes - you wouldn't want a currently edited note to get closed and possibly discarded when somewhere else a mimetipe URI note:foobar gets invoked |
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| 02:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | so handling is pretty much up to the app |
| 02:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I'd expect to find |
| 02:07.30 | ieatlint | yeah... |
| 02:07.57 | ieatlint | well, i've been working for 11h, and managed to have a prototype board die on me today |
| 02:08.00 | ieatlint | probably time to quit |
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| 02:09.31 | berndhs | yeah quit breaking things :) |
| 02:12.24 | ieatlint | :( |
| 02:12.33 | ieatlint | i didn't do anything, i blame god |
| 02:13.02 | berndhs | standard procedure is to blame aegis |
| 02:13.13 | ieatlint | people keep telling me he does bad things as part of some plan that you're too insignificant to understand, so it seems to fit |
| 02:13.16 | SpeedEvil | Canada. |
| 02:13.33 | ieatlint | oooh, canada is a good one |
| 02:13.40 | berndhs | Canada couldn't break things if we tried |
| 02:15.15 | ieatlint | except inuit treaties |
| 02:15.22 | ieatlint | but those things practically break themselves |
| 02:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | oh, wasn't that the cherokee or cheyene treaty, or sth like that? |
| 02:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | "that's your land over there" ...5 years later "sorry guys, we found $RANDOM_VALUABLE_STUFF on/under your land, so it's not yours anymore" |
| 02:19.37 | ieatlint | we let them have casinos and alcoholism at least |
| 02:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and those are both easy to move |
| 02:20.55 | ieatlint | if it were that easy to move it, we wouldn't have so many homeless alcoholics here |
| 02:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | move over there, we already prepared that land for you |
| 02:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. we cut all the trees, dumped all litter we could possibly find, and of course eradicated all potential threats by animals |
| 02:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | (move) I meant it's easy to move the casinos and the alcohol supply |
| 02:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | to move the alcoholism you need to move the people, and that might be less easy |
| 02:33.40 | berndhs | actually plenty of bears in Canada, and coyotes have been moving north for decades |
| 02:33.59 | berndhs | Coyotes are doing really well |
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| 03:44.11 | ieatlint | i'm excited to learn this day that the solicitor general of aruba is named "taco stein" |
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| 05:37.54 | Scifig | The ssh daemon on N950 is getting unusable. It was bad in beta1 for me and it became worse in beta2. ssh regular password authentication takes 5 minutes. Then it freezes when I type a command. |
| 05:38.32 | Stskeeps | probably due to your wifi PSM |
| 05:38.41 | hiemanshu | hey people |
| 05:38.47 | hiemanshu | is off to dubai for the rest of the week |
| 05:39.06 | Scifig | Stskeeps, I can ssh fine to N900 and my desktop fine. Only N950 is the problem. |
| 05:40.15 | Stskeeps | Scifig: so, wifi power saving works by buffering up data at the wifi AP and n950 asking for it once in a while, so n950 -> outside is ok, but opposite isn't |
| 05:40.25 | mja | is off to N.Ireland |
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| 05:40.44 | SpeedEvil | Powersaving is a complex and often misimplemented bit of the spec |
| 05:41.20 | Scifig | aah. Is there any setting to be changed to temporarily leave wifi outside powersaving? |
| 05:42.24 | Stskeeps | possibly somewhere in battery |
| 05:43.10 | SpeedEvil | Don'tthinkso |
| 05:43.13 | SpeedEvil | that's power saver |
| 05:43.31 | Scifig | I have automatic powersaving selected when battery is < 20%. But my battery is now > 90% and is now being charged. Still ssh is freezing :( |
| 05:43.41 | SpeedEvil | Which tears down the connection if not 'in use' |
| 05:43.46 | SpeedEvil | It's nothing to do with wifi-psm |
| 05:44.01 | Stskeeps | well, not sure where wifi psm settign is nowaday |
| 05:44.02 | Stskeeps | s |
| 05:44.19 | SpeedEvil | I can't find it |
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| 05:49.21 | Scifig | Well, atleast for now I have changed "power saver mode" to off. |
| 05:50.06 | Scifig | SpeedEvil, In setting menu even I don't see anything related to auto-disconnection. Probably it is in some files or gconf may be? |
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| 05:58.11 | SpeedEvil | The automatic powersaving thing turns off internet interfaces if they're not in use |
| 05:58.46 | SpeedEvil | Wifi powersaving mode turns off the wifi radio reciever most of the time, only waking it up to see if there are new packets for it. |
| 05:59.08 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes - however - this breaks, and can cause either extended delaus in connection, or failed connectins |
| 06:01.22 | Scifig | My only problem is that automatic power saver is disconnecting connections even when battery level more than the set threshold. |
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| 07:15.39 | rantom | Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the N9 a pentaband (aka a Word Phone?) |
| 07:16.17 | rantom | s/Word/World |
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| 07:26.14 | matrixx | rantom: it is |
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| 07:30.54 | rantom | matrixx: Thanks |
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| 08:19.45 | artemma | just noticed that he cannot paste text into browser. Can't use google translator then.. Is it a Nokia's push towards the apps? |
| 08:21.31 | rantom | artemma: Hold your thumb over the address-bar |
| 08:21.44 | rantom | "Liitä" (Paste) showed up to me |
| 08:22.49 | artemma | rantom: that would work for addresses indeed. However, addresses are exactly pieces of text where you need copy-paste the least as links in most of places are opened on click :) |
| 08:23.09 | rantom | artemma: Correction: you have to open the hardware-keyboard too |
| 08:23.16 | artemma | I am after text areas |
| 08:23.28 | rantom | oh |
| 08:23.39 | artemma | for addresses it works with closed keyboard too |
| 08:24.11 | artemma | OH!!!! |
| 08:24.21 | artemma | I can paste using Ctrl-V on HW keyboard :) |
| 08:24.29 | rantom | I can't :( |
| 08:24.32 | artemma | the first clearly superior point of N950 :) |
| 08:24.46 | rantom | ok, now it worked |
| 08:24.53 | rantom | I'd say that's a bug |
| 08:25.09 | rantom | Wow |
| 08:25.14 | artemma | more like a totally missing use case |
| 08:25.25 | artemma | there isn't even a ctrl button on virtual keyboard |
| 08:26.02 | rantom | You can manually re-type certain section of the URL if you hold your thumb over the URL, there's a magnifying glass appearing for it |
| 08:26.26 | rantom | artemma: I'd guess they'll add the Paste-droplet to the normal fields too |
| 08:26.41 | artemma | interestingly Copy also works with hw keyboard only |
| 08:26.50 | artemma | without it you can't even select text :) |
| 08:27.32 | artemma | well, actually even with hw keyboard u can select text only in text fields, but that's better than nothing |
| 08:28.11 | artemma | maybe they are just keeping some features down to leave some market for Firefox :) |
| 08:29.01 | rantom | Ok, I like the magnifying glass |
| 08:29.20 | rantom | Wonder how I missed it earlier, it works outside of browser |
| 08:29.24 | artemma | magnifying glass? |
| 08:30.09 | rantom | Type an url, go to the end of it and hold your thumb and drag it to the left |
| 08:30.30 | rantom | Don't high-light the url, it won't work then |
| 08:30.38 | rantom | s/won't/doesn't |
| 08:31.17 | Arkenoi | official Russia n9 launch event is tomorrow. I wonder if there will be new firmware soon as well. Beta2 is slightly disappointing. |
| 08:32.07 | rantom | artemma: Or for easier: type the URL, enter to that URL and then tap and drag to the left (again, no high-lighting) |
| 08:32.12 | rantom | Works in SMS too |
| 08:33.03 | rantom | Arkenoi: I'd guess that we'll have the new fw at the 13th |
| 08:33.12 | artemma | rantom: I see the glass, it can move the cursor and that's it |
| 08:33.14 | rantom | Since that's the "official" launch-date for N9 |
| 08:33.27 | rantom | artemma: Yes, that's what I meant |
| 08:33.35 | rantom | Helps a lot, imo |
| 08:34.02 | rantom | In SMS I was constantly erasing the mistyped text, now I can fix it with that |
| 08:34.12 | rantom | Time will tell which is better |
| 08:34.13 | artemma | rantom: for careful positioning - yes. I just still think that URL is the part whee you need it the least |
| 08:34.25 | artemma | for sms it's probably more useful |
| 08:34.34 | rantom | artemma: Yeah, that may be true. Happened to notice it in browser |
| 08:35.56 | rantom | But yeah, copy-paste could be improved and hopefully will be |
| 08:36.30 | rantom | I don't use them that often but without the hw-kb I'd be in afkward position when trying to copy-paste with N9 |
| 08:36.44 | rantom | "ok I need the hw-kb now.. oh, right..." |
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| 09:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | browser simply missing the pointer-mode of microB |
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| 09:45.46 | MohammadAG | yeah, had trouble copying the address to ship the N950 to on the N950 |
| 09:45.48 | MohammadAG | was a simple shift + select on N900 |
| 09:47.42 | SpeedEvil | Ths UI is quite polished - but not very deep. |
| 09:48.00 | SpeedEvil | (... n950 latest - n9 may of course vary) |
| 09:48.52 | artemma | for start, there is no way to press shift-left on N9 virtual keyboard :) |
| 09:49.34 | SpeedEvil | Hit first use-case of capacitive annoying me. |
| 09:49.44 | SpeedEvil | minesweeper |
| 09:50.07 | SpeedEvil | It would be a _lot_ easier if I could pop out the pointer |
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| 09:50.57 | SpeedEvil | And I now realise why angry birds launches as it does. |
| 09:51.10 | sandst1 | SpeedEvil: so you're playing Chuck Norris -minesweeper? |
| 09:53.12 | SpeedEvil | Also - my sim interactive balance requet doesn't seem to work |
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| 10:34.46 | kkito | hello |
| 10:37.39 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps kkito. |
| 10:38.14 | kkito | perhaps? |
| 10:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 10:40.56 | artemma | what is the for API to show global notifications to the user |
| 10:40.58 | artemma | ? |
| 10:41.12 | artemma | Something like "download finished" |
| 10:42.13 | artemma | and actually what is the most natural harmattan way to do it: to put note to notification stream or to show in the top of the screen note? |
| 10:51.28 | artemma | Is MEventFeed the best way for this kind of notifications? |
| 10:57.45 | gri | artemma: MNotification |
| 10:58.17 | artemma | googling and reading |
| 10:58.43 | gri | those are the system-wide banners like "battery now loading" etc. |
| 10:58.54 | artemma | hmm, I can find it on google, but not in the harmattan dev library |
| 10:58.55 | gri | and also in other visual style "new sms" |
| 10:59.15 | gri | artemma: It belongs to meegotouch which is not included in the pretty harmattan dev library |
| 10:59.22 | artemma | interesting |
| 10:59.37 | artemma | well, I guess if there are system notifications like that, I should also be allowed to use it |
| 11:00.11 | gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_notification.html |
| 11:00.31 | gri | It's not forbidden to use meegotouch |
| 11:00.41 | artemma | thanks |
| 11:02.17 | artemma | is searching for MNotification usage example |
| 11:02.28 | gri | if you want to stay in your program, QML also has a InfoBanner object |
| 11:02.41 | gri | but this is only visible on your application's screen |
| 11:02.43 | artemma | I think global notification should work better for me |
| 11:03.11 | artemma | I want to signal about download start/end. download can take time so user may exit app already |
| 11:03.32 | artemma | in the next phase download may even happen on schedule without any visible ui |
| 11:03.59 | gri | why not use the TransferUI? |
| 11:04.10 | artemma | transfer ui? |
| 11:04.23 | artemma | I've seen the topic in the docs, but didn't actually read it |
| 11:04.31 | artemma | checking |
| 11:04.32 | gri | then read it, I think that's what you want |
| 11:04.58 | artemma | oh, now I remember why I didn't read it through :) |
| 11:05.19 | artemma | the first page tells that you use Transfer UI if you want to present transfers to the user :) |
| 11:05.32 | artemma | doesn't tell about what the transfers are and why you'd like to present them |
| 11:05.46 | artemma | i thought it's about transfering between phones |
| 11:05.50 | artemma | like in Switch |
| 11:05.52 | gri | you can set descriptions |
| 11:06.03 | gri | the feed application for example uses the transfer ui |
| 11:06.11 | gri | the browser uses it for file downloading |
| 11:06.11 | artemma | hmm |
| 11:06.34 | artemma | I am doing more than just download |
| 11:06.57 | artemma | I download image, process it, set it as wallpaper and then I want to signal to user that new wallpaper is ready |
| 11:07.21 | artemma | indicating progress is also nice, but not mandatory |
| 11:07.25 | gri | so you could use both, transfer ui and notification |
| 11:07.43 | gri | being able to cancel a download as user is always nice |
| 11:07.50 | artemma | definitely |
| 11:08.16 | artemma | It may help simultaneous usage also maybe (when user wants to download 2nd image while 1st transfer is still in progress) |
| 11:08.32 | artemma | is searching for examples |
| 11:11.18 | neal | artemma: Have you considered using Woodchuck to schedule the downloads? |
| 11:11.34 | neal | artemma: It sounds like it might be a good fit for your application. |
| 11:12.07 | artemma | neal, I managed to make alarmd to run my code. Just now I figured that SyncFW may also do that maybe in a more natural way |
| 11:12.13 | artemma | never heard about woodchuck |
| 11:12.36 | neal | artemma: alarmd only schedules things based on time |
| 11:12.50 | neal | artemma: woodchuck schedules things based on network availability |
| 11:12.59 | artemma | neal, yeah, I am thinking about downloading image once a day or so |
| 11:13.16 | neal | artemma: Like alarmd, it will automatically start a program when appropriate. |
| 11:13.34 | neal | artemma: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck |
| 11:13.41 | neal | artemma: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/doc/howto |
| 11:13.48 | artemma | oh, that's 3rd party stuff |
| 11:14.12 | neal | artemma: It's available for Harmattan |
| 11:14.18 | neal | artemma: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/blog/2011/10/04/Woodchuck_Ported_to_N950/ |
| 11:14.44 | neal | artemma: Is that bad? |
| 11:14.46 | artemma | oh, you need to install it to the device yourself |
| 11:15.03 | neal | artemma: At the moment |
| 11:15.07 | artemma | neal, 3rd party isn't bad, not guaranteed maintenance is bad :) |
| 11:15.23 | neal | artemma: I'm working on getting it in the community repository and hopefully the ovi store |
| 11:15.26 | artemma | plus anything that can't be installed togather with my app from ovi store is a clear no fo |
| 11:15.27 | artemma | no go |
| 11:15.53 | neal | artemma: Hmm, that's true. |
| 11:15.54 | artemma | I do like the idea of network aware scheduler |
| 11:16.00 | artemma | indeed, that is just what i need |
| 11:16.10 | neal | artemma: It's easy to make Woodchuck a soft dependency |
| 11:16.18 | artemma | but it has to be installable together with my app otherwise it's useless for the user |
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| 11:16.38 | neal | artemma: So you only use it if it is installed and fallback to your alarmd framework if it is not installed. |
| 11:16.54 | artemma | and how many users would have it installed? :) |
| 11:16.59 | artemma | my app isn't exactly for geeks |
| 11:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | now that's probably complete overkill |
| 11:17.25 | neal | artemma: As it gains in popularity, more people will install it :) |
| 11:17.49 | artemma | definitely! As it gains in popularity I will definitely think about using it :) |
| 11:17.56 | neal | damn :) |
| 11:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | the problem is more like there's obviously no way yet to depend on other - possibly middleware type - stuff, so each app has to reinvent the wheel |
| 11:18.04 | artemma | good luck with the project regardless of the humor |
| 11:18.18 | artemma | it's useful functionality that would definitely be welcome by my project |
| 11:18.35 | artemma | I just can't use it if it's not installed with my app from ovi store |
| 11:18.50 | neal | artemma: Like I said, you can detect at runtime if it is available. |
| 11:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 11:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | neal: that won't help |
| 11:19.14 | artemma | neal as I can detect dozens of other schedulers :) |
| 11:19.14 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Why not? |
| 11:19.24 | neal | artemma: Are there others? |
| 11:19.30 | artemma | can't find the TransferUI example |
| 11:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to support and maintain two competing methods to implement same functionality |
| 11:19.42 | neal | artemma: I'm not aware of any other schedulers like Woodchuck |
| 11:19.59 | artemma | sorry, neal, I am consumerist about API use. If I can't use it now, I have to search for somethign else |
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| 11:20.08 | artemma | I really want to finish by N9 sales start |
| 11:20.15 | neal | sure |
| 11:20.33 | neal | What runtime environment are you using? Python? |
| 11:21.02 | artemma | and until end of year amount of Woodchuck users is going to be about zero |
| 11:21.09 | artemma | neal, just Qt/QML |
| 11:21.12 | artemma | c++/qml |
| 11:21.19 | neal | ok. |
| 11:21.21 | neal | thanks. |
| 11:21.45 | artemma | damned, there's Transfer UI api relatively well documented, but without a single example |
| 11:21.56 | artemma | I've seen the same with alarmd |
| 11:22.07 | artemma | is it the Harmattan standard style of documentation? |
| 11:24.51 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Perhaps the right approach is to have a slim implementation based on alarmd, which can be source copied, and is used if the Woodchuck daemon is not available. |
| 11:25.02 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Do you think that could be successful? |
| 11:25.49 | artemma | Some Android apps are able to download dependencies from Market on 1st start |
| 11:26.09 | artemma | can UI initiate the download of Woodchuck from ovi store? |
| 11:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | given woodchunk is implementing another functionality than alarmd, I'd think it'd be kinda reasonable here |
| 11:26.44 | artemma | like button somewhere in UI: click it to download library that would allow for downloads on wifi only |
| 11:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | tha'd be the obvious and clean approach |
| 11:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, almost as clean as a proper centralized repo |
| 11:27.31 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, except every application includes it and you don't get synergenic effects :( |
| 11:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | sure, that's been my initial point |
| 11:28.32 | neal | sorry, I guess I misunderstood. |
| 11:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | it all boils down to "don't link statically when you got lib.so" |
| 11:30.34 | neal | sure |
| 11:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | where "lib.so" stands as a token for arbitrary shared possibly middleware pkgs |
| 11:31.39 | evilJazz | Does anyone of you know how to unlock the screen programmatically? I tried MeeGo::QmLocks but the mce::TKLockControl token is denied -> denied 'mce::TKLockControl' -- origin '' does not allow it |
| 11:31.46 | evilJazz | Perhaps via DBus? |
| 11:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think yes via dbus, but to mce ;-) |
| 11:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | so same missing token will hit you again |
| 11:34.55 | SpeedEvil | evilJazz: There is a set of credentials that self-signed apps can have. Maybe clock control isn't one of them |
| 11:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | lock |
| 11:35.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:35.35 | MohammadAG | evilJazz, you can't request any mce:: tokens |
| 11:35.56 | MohammadAG | they can devastate the user's personal life |
| 11:36.02 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 11:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, if mce::LEDpattern isn't available, why should mce::TKLockControl be available? |
| 11:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Ad also the LED can start ragnarok. |
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| 11:37.09 | evilJazz | okay, thanks. This security cr*p is really starting to get on my nerves. |
| 11:37.32 | SpeedEvil | Can ovi store apps request mce tokens? |
| 11:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | who knows? |
| 11:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, there's a file with a policy, no? |
| 11:39.02 | evilJazz | If ovi store apps can I really wonder how on earth a developer should test the feature in the first place if not by hacking the device. |
| 11:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | re-lol |
| 11:39.24 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 11:39.27 | MohammadAG | no |
| 11:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | aiui developer-mode is about origin-anonymous being able to request same tokens as OVI |
| 11:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | (plus a few tools being available in devel-mode only) |
| 11:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | so the answer probably is "No, the LED and locking are property of Nokia, even when you paid for the device" |
| 11:42.41 | evilJazz | yeah, too bad |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | actually I guess the only way for you to own those is to get a device you don't have to pay for ;-) |
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| 11:44.27 | artemma | hmm, my MNotification is published, but nothing is visible on screen :/ |
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| 11:45.37 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.37 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.37 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.44 | MohammadAG | artemma, that works fine for me ^ |
| 11:45.45 | evilJazz | thanks for the clarification, guys. Guess the AVRCP support in my app will have to do without this feature for now, meh |
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| 11:46.04 | artemma | that's waht I do, MohammadAG Must be a stupid typo somewhere |
| 11:46.24 | artemma | it should work without image as well, shouldn't it? |
| 11:46.29 | MohammadAG | yea |
| 11:46.41 | artemma | MNotification startingNote( MNotification::TransferEvent, "Starting Wallpaper download"); |
| 11:46.41 | artemma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.38 | artemma | I am copy-pasting your code |
| 11:47.40 | artemma | will see |
| 11:49.58 | MohammadAG | artemma, MNotification is the events notification thing |
| 11:50.05 | MohammadAG | is that what you want? |
| 11:50.13 | MohammadAG | cause I don't see a reason for that to persist |
| 11:50.19 | artemma | yep |
| 11:50.28 | MohammadAG | Why? |
| 11:50.36 | artemma | just want to notify about that new wallpaper is installed |
| 11:51.00 | artemma | well, maybe I'll change it into event feed later, but for not simple notification feels better to me |
| 11:51.20 | MohammadAG | that is an event feed |
| 11:51.31 | MohammadAG | this'll show like an SMS |
| 11:51.41 | MohammadAG | on the lockscreen + events view |
| 11:51.55 | artemma | ok, looks like my project wasn't actually rebuilt for some reason - so I didn't see anything |
| 11:52.14 | artemma | MohammadAG: that is something I am not very clear yet |
| 11:52.25 | artemma | you know, renewed wallpaper isn't a critical event |
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| 11:52.31 | artemma | and u'll see it on lock screen anyway |
| 11:52.40 | MohammadAG | artemma, use MBanner |
| 11:52.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.43 | artemma | it's if you are in the other apps |
| 11:52.55 | artemma | download can take seconds |
| 11:53.05 | artemma | user may be in another screen already |
| 11:53.24 | artemma | and in the future I want download happen on schedule, without any ui at all |
| 11:53.31 | artemma | except for Transfer Ui maybe |
| 11:54.07 | artemma | MBanner won't work out of my app |
| 11:54.51 | MohammadAG | sure? |
| 11:54.58 | MohammadAG | this shows in the status bar |
| 11:55.09 | artemma | OK, I've got my MNotification. Well, with just text it looks too subtle.. |
| 11:55.24 | artemma | MBanner is said to work only inside your app |
| 11:55.33 | MohammadAG | doubt it |
| 11:55.39 | MohammadAG | I don't have my N950 yet |
| 11:55.45 | MohammadAG | and it doesn't seem they shipped the replacement... |
| 11:55.46 | leinir | Hey, anybody figured out how to do that bouncy thing that alarms and incoming calls use? |
| 11:56.13 | MohammadAG | found some pointers once |
| 11:56.13 | artemma | Use MBanner class to launch in-process notifications. Use MNotification class to launch out-of-process system level notifications. |
| 11:56.17 | artemma | "Use MBanner class to launch in-process notifications. Use MNotification class to launch out-of-process system level notifications." |
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| 11:56.20 | MohammadAG | leinir, strings /usr/bin/system-ui |
| 11:56.37 | MohammadAG | out-of-process = DBus |
| 11:56.56 | leinir | MohammadAG: Hmm... funky, thanks, i'll have a look :) |
| 11:57.05 | artemma | Hmm, I see my MNotifications on lock screen as well |
| 11:57.10 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 11:57.22 | MohammadAG | I've said that like a hundred times |
| 11:57.32 | MohammadAG | MNotification is for that, things like SMS etc |
| 11:57.38 | artemma | MohammadAG: I was sure you were talking about event feed |
| 11:57.41 | MohammadAG | not notifications |
| 11:57.42 | artemma | like MEventFeed |
| 11:57.53 | MohammadAG | err, not temporary notifications |
| 11:57.55 | MohammadAG | nah |
| 11:58.03 | MohammadAG | artemma, try MBanner |
| 11:58.09 | artemma | ok, trying now |
| 11:58.10 | MohammadAG | with MBannerType::ShortEventBanner |
| 11:58.22 | MohammadAG | look at widgets gallery too |
| 11:58.30 | MohammadAG | it shows you the different types of notifications |
| 12:00.39 | artemma | it needs some MSceneWindow |
| 12:02.18 | artemma | ok, MApplication::activeWindow()->scene() may help |
| 12:03.19 | MohammadAG | that may be null :P |
| 12:03.44 | artemma | yep, information banner looks like the style I am looking for |
| 12:04.58 | artemma | actuallactually null didn't work (there are two variants for the function) |
| 12:05.05 | artemma | I had to cast null to MWindow :) |
| 12:06.34 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 12:07.15 | artemma | just changed it to graphics scene as MWindow option is not recommended :) |
| 12:08.16 | MohammadAG | anyway, I'm off to study |
| 12:08.19 | MohammadAG | bbl |
| 12:08.21 | artemma | but it doesn't work anyway |
| 12:08.25 | artemma | ok, thanks for help |
| 12:08.28 | artemma | I'll study more |
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| 12:36.00 | Venemo_N950 | hey guys |
| 12:38.55 | iekku | hi |
| 12:40.49 | neal | what document lists the requirement that applications submitted to the ovi store can't include external dependencies? |
| 12:41.36 | Venemo_N950 | neal, I'm not aware of such requirement |
| 12:43.53 | neal | that seemed to be what DocScrutinizer and artemma were suggesting... Hmm. |
| 12:47.59 | jreznik | at least some packages in ovi asks for another deps |
| 12:48.27 | SpeedEvil | Indeed they do |
| 12:48.31 | SpeedEvil | I had that yesterday |
| 12:50.05 | artemma | i don't know anything about dependencies download |
| 12:50.24 | artemma | and that actually was my whole point :) |
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| 12:54.47 | neal | ok, thanks |
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| 13:03.07 | Andy1210 | Is there any way to put a virtual keyboard on SDL game? I ported Rocks'n'Diamonds, but now it can be played only with keyboard... |
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| 13:08.29 | MohammadAG | naw, I'm getting my replacement sent tomorrow :( |
| 13:08.33 | MohammadAG | guess I'll get it on monday |
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| 13:12.38 | svuorela | hi peoples. is the following failures when flashing a n950 'normal' ? http://paste.debian.net/134298/ |
| 13:14.43 | kimju | svuorela, use the quick-erase flasher when upgrading from 2011.15-7 |
| 13:15.44 | kimju | there was one for 22-6 at least, not sure if there is one for 34-2. |
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| 13:16.29 | svuorela | kimju: there doesn't seem to be one. |
| 13:18.47 | svuorela | kimju: ...or should I do the upgrade in two steps, first to 22-6 and then to 34-2 ? |
| 13:19.23 | kimju | even with 22-6 you'll probably need the quick-erase ocf. |
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| 13:21.37 | svuorela | kimju: is that available somewhere ? |
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| 13:25.52 | kimju | it was, before the 34-2 superseded it. someone probably has it still, I've already deleted it. |
| 13:26.11 | gri | MohammadAG, sent in my laptop today ? far more depressing than only missing the n950 ... |
| 13:39.04 | artemma | is trying to figure out MNotificationGroup If I just setGroup, something is published, but without any text |
| 13:42.13 | svuorela | kimju: thanks for the hints anyways. I just made it \o/ (extracted it, didn't do secure deliting, flashed manually) |
| 13:42.22 | svuorela | maybe I violated a eula or something, so don't tell anyone |
| 13:43.59 | artemma | funny, MGroupNotification is visible on the lock screen, but it doesn't show notifications inside it, only the time of the latest event |
| 13:45.08 | artemma | ok, then I'll go for just MBanner for now probably |
| 13:45.59 | artemma | When I am getting scene from QDeclarativeView and try using it I get something like Scene Manager not set. How do I set it? Should I set it is I just want to show info banner? |
| 13:47.50 | leinir | MohammadAG: just tried doing that - i don't seem to have /use/bin/system-ui... |
| 13:48.02 | leinir | (strings also seems to not exist on the device) |
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| 13:55.08 | artemma | hmm, I fail to publish events using MEventFeed |
| 13:55.41 | artemma | ah, stupid me, wrong sign in a result check |
| 14:01.38 | artemma | can I specify url to image (in file system) so that it's opened by gallery? |
| 14:01.52 | artemma | by default QDesktopServices open local image in the browser |
| 14:02.47 | artemma | is there a way to read all url handlers? There may be something for gallery |
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| 14:09.56 | MohammadAG | leinir, xprop, then touch the lockscreen |
| 14:10.02 | MohammadAG | it might be sysuid |
| 14:10.08 | MohammadAG | /usr/bin/sysuid |
| 14:10.43 | MohammadAG | artemma, normal exec might work |
| 14:10.48 | MohammadAG | image-viewer /path/to/image |
| 14:11.13 | artemma | MohammadAG: do you mean that exec can be a part or url? |
| 14:11.23 | MohammadAG | no |
| 14:11.36 | MohammadAG | I mean /usr/bin/image-viewer /path/to/image with QProcess |
| 14:11.47 | artemma | MEventFeed needs url |
| 14:12.06 | artemma | certainly i can create my own handler and then redirect to imageviewer |
| 14:12.13 | MohammadAG | QUrl? |
| 14:12.17 | artemma | but I hoped for built in handler |
| 14:12.21 | artemma | yep, QUrl |
| 14:12.23 | MohammadAG | QUrl("/path/to/file") returns a URL |
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| 14:12.57 | Venemo_webchat | hey guys :) |
| 14:15.36 | artemma | MohammadAG: true, but then DesktopServices open such url in the browser |
| 14:15.45 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 14:15.47 | artemma | unless there is a handler registered |
| 14:15.50 | MohammadAG | url the url to be executed when item is clicked. Executed action for URL is the default action provided by libcontentaction for the URL's scheme. |
| 14:16.00 | artemma | exactly |
| 14:16.08 | artemma | so I wonder if there's a scheme for image viewer |
| 14:16.11 | MohammadAG | that's dumb |
| 14:16.47 | MohammadAG | ah, it may be using QDesktopServices::openUrl() |
| 14:16.54 | artemma | I believe so |
| 14:17.06 | artemma | not that bad idea IMHO |
| 14:17.20 | artemma | I just can't see a list of bult-in handlers anywhere :) |
| 14:18.16 | MohammadAG | what libcontent*.so files are there in /usr/lib? |
| 14:20.23 | artemma | will check now |
| 14:21.20 | artemma | only libcontentaction and libcontentmanager :) |
| 14:25.03 | MohammadAG | string libcontentaction and look for a path |
| 14:25.13 | artemma | string? |
| 14:25.26 | artemma | you mean like cat? |
| 14:26.03 | MohammadAG | /usr/bin/strings |
| 14:26.10 | MohammadAG | part of package binutils |
| 14:26.18 | MohammadAG | it's like cat but removes the binary nonsense :p |
| 14:26.32 | artemma | never used it |
| 14:27.18 | MohammadAG | good time to start then |
| 14:27.26 | artemma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.44 | MohammadAG | strings /usr/lib/libcontentaction.so |
| 14:27.45 | artemma | oh, I don't have it |
| 14:27.53 | artemma | probably need to install some developer tools |
| 14:27.55 | MohammadAG | apt-get install binutils |
| 14:28.02 | artemma | thx |
| 14:33.05 | artemma | so funny, apt-get talks Ukrainian to me :) |
| 14:33.17 | artemma | phone's language and location are set to Ukraine |
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| 14:52.15 | matrixx | artemma: can you also answer in Ukraine when it asks if you want to install the updates or not? |
| 14:52.43 | matrixx | at least that feature is not working in finnish :( |
| 14:53.25 | MohammadAG | just hit enter without Y/n |
| 14:53.43 | MohammadAG | or use apt-get --yes --force-yes |
| 14:54.34 | matrixx | yeah I know it works that way :) |
| 14:54.45 | matrixx | I created a bug about language specifics not working |
| 14:55.14 | matrixx | just wanted to know if the same problem is also on other languages than in finnish |
| 14:58.04 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 14:58.09 | MohammadAG | it's an apt upstream bug I think |
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| 15:23.59 | artemma | matrixx: I didn't try replying in Ukrainian :) will try next time |
| 15:24.23 | matrixx | :) |
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| 17:33.10 | macmaN | test |
| 17:33.23 | macmaN | has really nothing been said here for 2 hours? |
| 17:33.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:33.59 | SpeedEvil | Aw - you broke it |
| 17:34.38 | ieatlint | you ruined it by letting him know that his connection/client wasn't screwed |
| 17:35.52 | SpeedEvil | But maybe I'm really just covering the exciting conversation of the last couple of hours that he missed. |
| 17:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | [CTCP-QUERY] CTCP-MUHAHA |
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| 17:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | let's see what color the N9 will have |
| 17:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | as it's dedicated for resolving hw-questions, I think disassembling is probably one of the first things to do with it :-D |
| 17:38.42 | ieatlint | i think disassembling it will be more difficult than most phones |
| 17:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep, probably |
| 17:39.03 | ieatlint | as i understand, you remove two screws on the top of the device, and then the screen pops up |
| 17:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | but we got L1_2 Service Manual, no? |
| 17:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 17:39.27 | ieatlint | you have an n9 on the way? |
| 17:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, the virtual part is on the way, yes |
| 17:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | Quim forwarded my data to "the source" XD |
| 17:40.55 | ieatlint | aww... i need to go beg him for one |
| 17:40.59 | ieatlint | i saw him on monday too |
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| 18:03.31 | crevetor | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/10/why-the-improve-camera-in-the-iphone-4s-is-good-news-for-shutterbugs.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29&utm_content=Netvibes |
| 18:03.39 | crevetor | https://picasaweb.google.com/102325903426321851487/Backgrounds#5656728471687407458 |
| 18:03.47 | crevetor | Tricky lighting huh ? |
| 18:03.58 | crevetor | the 2nd one was taken with my N950 |
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| 21:16.49 | artemma | If it is recommended to use PageStackWindow, how do I use TabButtons then? |
| 21:17.06 | artemma | TabButtons expect TabGroup items to have the same id |
| 21:17.21 | MohammadAG | artemma, MTF? |
| 21:17.26 | artemma | and how do I put PageStackWindow's stack into a TabGroup :/ |
| 21:17.38 | artemma | some concept clash in my mind |
| 21:17.38 | MohammadAG | a PageStackWindow holds Pages |
| 21:17.48 | artemma | Harmattan-specific qml |
| 21:17.58 | MohammadAG | you should have one PageStackWindow and many Pages |
| 21:17.59 | ieatlint | you might use a PageStack instead of a PageStackWindow there |
| 21:18.03 | ieatlint | but that's a guess |
| 21:18.28 | MohammadAG | there should only be one stack ieatlint |
| 21:18.35 | artemma | daamed, I spent a day making sure I can use Window on desktop and PageStackWindow on Harmattan :) |
| 21:18.47 | artemma | there's an example http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-tabbutton.html?tab=0 |
| 21:18.51 | MohammadAG | PageStackWindow works on a desktop |
| 21:19.06 | artemma | with several page stacks |
| 21:19.31 | artemma | something didn't work for me on desktop |
| 21:19.45 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure why it's using several page stacks |
| 21:19.49 | ieatlint | i thought you could only have 1 window, but different stacks? |
| 21:20.01 | MohammadAG | why different stacks? |
| 21:20.06 | MohammadAG | just push different pages on one stack |
| 21:20.17 | artemma | ok, I better stop asking now: to vague understanding |
| 21:20.17 | ieatlint | so that tabs can have independent stacks? |
| 21:20.27 | artemma | I'll code something and arrive to more proper questions |
| 21:20.42 | MohammadAG | well, makes sense I guess |
| 21:20.43 | ieatlint | harmattan docs make me sad |
| 21:21.48 | artemma | yep, PageStackWindow doesn't exist in Symbian components |
| 21:21.56 | artemma | so can't run it on desktop or simulator |
| 21:22.22 | artemma | and some toolbarbutton details are different |
| 21:22.39 | ieatlint | there are meego components for the simulator that support PageStackWindow i think |
| 21:22.58 | artemma | ieatlint: I failed to find how to use them then |
| 21:24.51 | ieatlint | fucking osx |
| 21:25.04 | ieatlint | something is eating ram, but i'm out of ram, so i can't even run top to see what it is |
| 21:25.43 | artemma | Is Firefox your favorite browser? |
| 21:26.06 | MohammadAG | or you could copy PageStackWindow.qml into your project |
| 21:26.38 | ieatlint | chrome... and yeah, i closed 4 windows in my browser, and now i can load things, and osx reports is has 2gb of free ram |
| 21:26.41 | ieatlint | stabs |
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| 21:27.26 | ieatlint | anyway, my current liesure project has a base of PageStackWindow and runs fine in qtsimulator |
| 21:27.35 | ieatlint | current version of sdk/qtcreator |
| 21:27.49 | artemma | ieatlint: It surprises me. Then I am really missing something |
| 21:28.26 | ieatlint | i think i needed to enable it in the qtsdk package system |
| 21:28.46 | ieatlint | am trying to check, but it feels it needs to check a nokia server before telling me what i have installed |
| 21:30.07 | ieatlint | yeah, there's an option there... Qt SDK -> Experimental -> Harmattan -> Qt Components -> Qt Quick components for Harmattan Simultator |
| 21:30.16 | artemma | I remember seeing something about declarative definition of settings plugin. Does it really work? |
| 21:30.27 | artemma | ieatlint, thanks a lot! I'll try it |
| 21:31.03 | MohammadAG | anyway, the right way is to port the components to the platform |
| 21:31.04 | MohammadAG | 4squick uses the Symbian stack, on MeeGo |
| 21:31.37 | ieatlint | the right way seems to involve a lot of swearing and anger |
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| 21:35.26 | ieatlint | ugh, today is not my day with nokia, as i pull my n950 out of my pocket and find it unresponsive |
| 21:36.24 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 21:37.26 | ieatlint | yay, it randomly was able to boot |
| 21:52.27 | artemma | what was that special url to get the theme icons |
| 21:52.34 | artemma | can never remember it :( |
| 21:52.53 | artemma | like iconSource: "theme://icon-l-clock-main-view" |
| 21:52.54 | MohammadAG | QIcon::fromTheme() |
| 21:53.01 | MohammadAG | oh, nvm |
| 21:53.45 | augustl | noob question: what exactly is the N9 using for UI? Afaik Qt is only a cross platform wrapper that binds to a subsystem. Is that correct? If so, is it Qt or the subsystem that is responsible for the great N9 UI? |
| 21:54.17 | artemma | image://theme/ ! |
| 21:54.21 | augustl | the N9 feels snappier than my old iPhone 4, so I'm really curious what UI framework that has achieved this. |
| 21:54.52 | artemma | augustl: QtComponents |
| 21:55.03 | augustl | artemma: looking it up, thanks |
| 21:55.17 | artemma | that is, well, QML components drawn on canvas |
| 21:55.53 | MohammadAG | artemma, no |
| 21:56.01 | artemma | really? |
| 21:56.04 | MohammadAG | The N9's UI is MTF |
| 21:56.05 | artemma | oh |
| 21:56.06 | augustl | so Qt has a built in way of rendering to anything that can draw rgb pixels? |
| 21:56.11 | MohammadAG | Based on Qt's QGraphicsScene |
| 21:56.13 | artemma | now I remember |
| 21:56.17 | augustl | MohammadAG: hmm, what's MTF? |
| 21:56.19 | artemma | Qt components are for 3rd parties |
| 21:56.23 | MohammadAG | MeeGoTouchFramework |
| 21:56.28 | artemma | native apps are done in meegotouch |
| 21:56.35 | MohammadAG | Qt Components is QML |
| 21:56.47 | MohammadAG | and all the UI framework is an extension to meegotouch |
| 21:56.52 | augustl | "MeeGo Touch is deprecated, do not use it in new projects as it is scheduled for removal from MeeGo" :O |
| 21:56.59 | MohammadAG | screw that |
| 21:57.06 | MohammadAG | it's deprecated in MeeGo 1.3 |
| 21:57.09 | MohammadAG | Harmattan is 1.2 |
| 21:57.17 | MohammadAG | and deprecated != removed |
| 21:57.19 | artemma | and 1.3 is planned for like never :) |
| 21:57.19 | augustl | MeeGo 1.3 = Tizen? |
| 21:57.29 | berndhs | it's all deprecated now :/ |
| 21:57.30 | MohammadAG | no, 1.3 is out as a CE |
| 21:57.37 | MohammadAG | but Harmattan won't be updated to that I guess |
| 21:57.47 | MohammadAG | I use MTF for all my apps |
| 21:57.52 | MohammadAG | cause I prefer C++ over JS |
| 21:58.06 | augustl | so MTF is responsible for the awesome snappy animations, etc? |
| 21:58.13 | augustl | (on the N9) |
| 21:58.18 | MohammadAG | yeah, and mcompositor |
| 21:58.24 | ieatlint | well, MTF is just a subset of Qt |
| 21:58.29 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 21:58.30 | ieatlint | on QGrphicsView |
| 21:58.34 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 21:58.43 | ieatlint | so your answer is that Qt is the reason the N9 has nice graphics |
| 21:58.52 | augustl | I see, thanks |
| 21:58.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I prewfere the way bettweer MTF ovder crappy QML widgets and general functionality |
| 21:58.57 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Based on Qt's QGraphicsScene <-- ieatlint |
| 21:59.08 | ieatlint | and it's heavily customized from the regular Qt |
| 21:59.25 | MohammadAG | Qt's core is the same |
| 21:59.34 | ieatlint | and every 3 months nokia dramatically changes things :P |
| 21:59.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | prefer* |
| 21:59.36 | augustl | so in Qt + MeeGo, we have a Linux based platforms capable of creating UIs rivaling iOS, something even Android isn't capable of imo. And Nokia is abandonig it, meh. |
| 21:59.50 | MohammadAG | Praise elop |
| 22:00.39 | augustl | I'm excited to see what the community ends up doing with MeeGo. Perhaps I'll flash my N9 to MeeGo CE 1.3 :) |
| 22:00.40 | berndhs | whether Nokia is abandoning it, or it will come back with the meli-thing, fun speculation |
| 22:00.52 | MohammadAG | that's for low end devices |
| 22:00.56 | augustl | berndhs: hmm, meli-thing? |
| 22:01.02 | augustl | MohammadAG: ah |
| 22:01.04 | berndhs | melt-something |
| 22:01.19 | berndhs | yes for low end phones, but that is a relative concept |
| 22:01.28 | augustl | and I do love the swipe UI, which CE doesn't have I guess. |
| 22:01.34 | berndhs | what is low end next year is not the same as now |
| 22:01.59 | ieatlint | ever notice that elop is pole backwards? |
| 22:02.11 | ieatlint | this clearly means something important |
| 22:02.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | melt-me |
| 22:02.53 | augustl | Pestle Phone is an anagram of Stephen Elop |
| 22:03.07 | augustl | coincidence? Don't think so! |
| 22:04.09 | ieatlint | it all makes sense now, mango, meltemi, meego, maemo |
| 22:04.15 | augustl | btw, is it correct to say that N9 essentially runs Maemo? Since it hasn't been fully merged into MeeGo yet? |
| 22:04.38 | ieatlint | the N9 runs harmattan, aka meamo6 |
| 22:04.41 | ieatlint | maemo6 |
| 22:04.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 22:04.58 | ieatlint | so yeah, it's more maemo than meego, but it's far removed from maemo5/fremantle |
| 22:05.11 | MohammadAG | augustl> and I do love the swipe UI, which CE doesn't have I guess. |
| 22:05.13 | augustl | but it uses meego touch for a lot of stuff |
| 22:05.24 | MohammadAG | you can get swipe UI on MeeGo CE 1.2 |
| 22:05.31 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if 1.3 introduces an ABI break |
| 22:05.39 | MohammadAG | but technically, just copy the libs over |
| 22:05.52 | augustl | MohammadAG: the Nokia one, the very same as on the N9, or a CE "copy"? |
| 22:06.00 | MohammadAG | same one |
| 22:06.09 | MohammadAG | that's why I said copy the bins and libs over |
| 22:06.11 | augustl | hmm, that's cool |
| 22:06.20 | MohammadAG | and probably illegal |
| 22:06.22 | special | augustl: also take a look at w00t and alterego's 'lipstick' |
| 22:06.26 | MohammadAG | but hey, where's the fun in legal stuff :p |
| 22:06.52 | MohammadAG | shouldn't have said that before my N950 replacement was sent |
| 22:06.56 | augustl | so meltemi is a replacement for low end symbian, and is powered by Qt? |
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| 22:07.27 | ieatlint | meltemi is allegedly a replacement for low end symbian, and is rumoured to run qt |
| 22:07.30 | berndhs | they're not saying what meltemi is |
| 22:07.33 | augustl | all nokia said was that they'll use windows phone 7 a lot, and that they're abandoning MeeGo, right? They haven't said they'll abandon symbian, making low end phones, etc? |
| 22:07.44 | ieatlint | but all we know is in a WSJ article that nokia isn't really contesting |
| 22:07.58 | ieatlint | they didn't say they were abandoning meego really |
| 22:08.04 | berndhs | doesn't Nokia make all their money with low end phones ? |
| 22:08.09 | ieatlint | i mean, they are, but they never really said it |
| 22:08.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | they make all their voisd with too cheap lowend phones |
| 22:08.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | void |
| 22:08.56 | augustl | the N9 could use a few updates for polish, so I hope they haven't abandoned it yet ;) |
| 22:09.29 | ieatlint | rumours say there's pretty much no one left working on meego |
| 22:09.34 | ieatlint | so don't count on any real updates |
| 22:09.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course they have - hey it's starting to SELL soon |
| 22:10.25 | augustl | the notification screen clearly needs a widget-ish API for example ;) |
| 22:10.39 | augustl | so that apps can add items that aren't notifications to it |
| 22:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | so make that a ddecdent desktop screen instead |
| 22:11.35 | ieatlint | what is the release version on the n9 anyway |
| 22:11.40 | ieatlint | augustl: do you have a retail n9? |
| 22:11.45 | augustl | I'm thinking something between android widgets and notifications. |
| 22:11.49 | augustl | ieatlint: yep, checking now |
| 22:12.11 | augustl | ieatlint: MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan 10.2011.34-1_PR_009 |
| 22:12.12 | ieatlint | my guess is 39-1, but it might be 34-1 |
| 22:12.18 | ieatlint | ah, ok |
| 22:12.20 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 22:12.28 | ieatlint | there'll be some updates then, for sure |
| 22:12.44 | augustl | yay |
| 22:12.56 | augustl | how I wish they'll post an update where they remove aegis |
| 22:13.06 | augustl | so developers can mod the swipe UI as they want |
| 22:13.19 | ieatlint | extremely unlikely |
| 22:13.21 | augustl | adding widgets for example ;) And replacing the mail app, which is kind of half-good. Etc. |
| 22:13.24 | augustl | yep.. |
| 22:14.20 | augustl | and since all web apps seem to use user agent sniffing instead of feature detection, I have to use native apps |
| 22:14.28 | augustl | gmail.com on the N9 is awful |
| 22:14.45 | MohammadAG | fenix is good |
| 22:14.51 | augustl | so is twitter.com and facebook.com |
| 22:15.07 | MohammadAG | use fennec if you hate the default browser |
| 22:15.12 | MohammadAG | fenix for email |
| 22:15.23 | augustl | MohammadAG: no fenix in the Ovi store, hmm |
| 22:16.21 | augustl | hoping Mozilla will release Firefox for the N9 soon. |
| 22:18.21 | augustl | hmm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ofBgvTwTE |
| 22:18.23 | augustl | it exists already? |
| 22:20.41 | augustl | "Type application/x-install-instructions not supported." |
| 22:27.21 | augustl | found a .deb. Do I need developer mode to install Firefox on a N9? |
| 22:27.40 | ieatlint | no, but you need to enable installations from unknown sources |
| 22:28.05 | ieatlint | Settings -> Applications -> Installations |
| 22:28.08 | ieatlint | and check the box in there |
| 22:28.29 | augustl | how do I install a deb after that is done? |
| 22:30.06 | augustl | a website suggests e-mailing it to myself, heh |
| 22:31.51 | augustl | also, found the deb on my-meego.com which I don't find particularly trustworthy. Anyone know where on mozillas sites I can download the deb? |
| 22:32.54 | ieatlint | uh, the browser will open the package manager for it if you get it from there (can do file:///home/user/MyDocs/blah.deb), or if you install one of the file managers from the store |
| 22:33.05 | ieatlint | alternatively, enable dev mode and dpkg -i in the terminal |
| 22:33.44 | augustl | all I can find are .install files that the N9 browser doesn't seem to handle |
| 22:33.53 | augustl | guess I'll browse around until I can find a .deb and try to open it in the browser ;) |
| 22:34.29 | ieatlint | no idea what .install files are |
| 22:34.40 | augustl | me neither |
| 22:34.42 | augustl | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/maemo/en-US/ |
| 22:35.25 | augustl | really hard to find a 9.0 fennec deb on mozilla's site |
| 22:35.51 | augustl | MeeGo isn't even mentioned on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms |
| 22:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | just click on the .deb in browser to start download, then click to the downlouaded file in "downloads" screen to install |
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| 22:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | seems there are no .install files for HARM |
| 22:37.12 | augustl | trying to find the deb first :) |
| 22:39.19 | augustl | holy shit this is hard, it can't possibly have been relased in any way shape or form |
| 22:39.45 | ieatlint | uh, no, mozilla didn't release for harmattan |
| 22:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess mozilla has a hard time to create a deb for an OS that's even "not available yet" |
| 22:39.59 | ieatlint | someone took the maemo5/fremantle/n900 build and repackaged for harmattan |
| 22:40.58 | augustl | I see |
| 22:41.11 | augustl | DocScrutinizer: not available yet? |
| 22:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | yawn |
| 22:42.08 | augustl | DocScrutinizer: huh? |
| 22:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders how chinese make it to sell chargers, cradles, pouches, whatnot, even months befor rollout of $random_product |
| 22:44.52 | augustl | the N9 is available in many countries now, so not sure what you mean with "not available yet". |
| 22:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | pff |
| 22:45.28 | ieatlint | sadly not mine, and i have no obvious way of purchasing one :( |
| 22:46.03 | augustl | DocScrutinizer: "pff" what? |
| 22:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | Ihad to use physical force to convice that dude not to sell me one when I took a walk on the street, sure |
| 22:46.06 | augustl | DocScrutinizer: just asking |
| 22:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's no 2 weeks ago Nokia *anounced* start of sales |
| 22:50.58 | SpeedEvil | augustl: As far as I'm aware, nobody has recieved one. |
| 22:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/2263338_-n9-16gb-nokia.html shipping: week42, week42, not yet, week 42, 2011-10-27 |
| 22:51.11 | SpeedEvil | augustl: Or said they've gotten tracking number. |
| 22:52.51 | ieatlint | i'm pretty sure the n9 is a myth, and doesn't actually exist |
| 22:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:53.27 | ieatlint | or what is the myth one, the RM-692? |
| 22:53.53 | ieatlint | there's the n950 at RM-680, the N9 at RM-696 and a third one referenced in the images... |
| 22:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | RX-71 ? |
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| 22:56.02 | special | SpeedEvil: people have received them |
| 22:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | obviously nobody of mozilla |
| 22:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 22:56.37 | ieatlint | yeah, well, mozilla is in the US |
| 22:56.39 | artemma | local operator was arranging some fun quest today |
| 22:56.43 | ieatlint | they had a hell of a time getting the N900s |
| 22:56.55 | ieatlint | they actually bought one off me because they couldn't secure a supplier |
| 22:56.58 | artemma | winners were supposed to get N9 a week earlier than others, that is probably today as well |
| 22:57.28 | artemma | in the local (Finnish) operator stores N9 is on Oct 13 |
| 23:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | then any company planning to publish a _real_ app might have a really hard time to find their way around aegis policies and restrictions. Considering e.g. Opera even shipped their own vkbd on N900. For games it's even harder |
| 23:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | I don't expect Operat to ship a version for N9 any time soon |
| 23:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | Opera* |
| 23:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | and *real* games are rarely implemented in plain QML XP |
| 23:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, in my book the whole platform is stillborn. But then that's just me, and I don't really care a lot |
| 23:06.53 | SpeedEvil | special: Ok - I'm commenting on lack of people on IRC, I guess. |
| 23:07.33 | special | SpeedEvil: https://twitter.com/#!/w00teh/status/121255254246432769 is my source |
| 23:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, did I mention that as soon as any company found a way to implement their ACME app despite all the aegis policy restrictions, Nokia is going to ship an OS update with tighter policies so the whole ACME project is doomed? |
| 23:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's up to your guessing how many companies are willing to take that risk |
| 23:18.13 | SpeedEvil | special: Now go and count how many users seem to have recieved nokia n9 or #n9 hashtag. I question if any of them are actual users, not dev, and there are around 4. |
| 23:18.25 | SpeedEvil | (looking over the last couple of days) |
| 23:20.51 | special | SpeedEvil: pretty sure w00t got his through a norwegian carrier, nothing special |
| 23:21.37 | special | but yeah, they don't seem to be shipping for most people yet |
| 23:22.04 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: uh, what are you basing your info on that nokia is going to further restrict the platform? |
| 23:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | on the fact that they did once? on the obvious option they got to do it any time again? |
| 23:25.12 | ieatlint | restricting permissions when going from a developer build to a release build is not particularly shocking |
| 23:25.29 | ieatlint | and if you followed the nokia dev guidelines, your application should not have been affected |
| 23:25.46 | ieatlint | it's unlikely they will further restrict permissions, unless it is in response to a specific security threat |
| 23:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHAHAHA, the tale always been our version is so braindamaged restricted *because* it's exactly same policy as user device |
| 23:27.26 | ieatlint | i'm not sure there was ever an official tail, just assumptions |
| 23:27.49 | ieatlint | i didn't get a memo about aegis with my n950 anyway |
| 23:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | and please don't make me die from laughing by tellig me about "nokia dev guidelines" - are you referring to "just use SDK and QML only" which clearly is no option for *real* development as mentioned above, or are you referring to the non-existent listing and explanation of available tokens? |
| 23:29.00 | artemma | listing all the stuff in any category carefully is not nokia style.. |
| 23:29.22 | ieatlint | nokia provides guidelines on how to use qt with mtf, opengl, etc |
| 23:29.22 | artemma | Symbian QML components seem to be the only known [by me] exception |
| 23:29.35 | artemma | maybe Symbian components developers touched Qt culture too much |
| 23:32.19 | ieatlint | aegis is more about preventing you from modifying the base system than anything else |
| 23:32.28 | ieatlint | it's a poor attempt at sandboxing |
| 23:33.13 | SpeedEvil | With all the stuff the user cares about in one sandbox. |
| 23:35.00 | SpeedEvil | special: I read up, and found that w00t indeed ordered from telenor |
| 23:35.39 | SpeedEvil | Are hte apps available to n950 and n9 on the store different? |
| 23:35.56 | ieatlint | no |
| 23:36.10 | ieatlint | only difference is what's on the base image... n9 has more |
| 23:36.47 | SpeedEvil | So angry birds still isn't in the store? |
| 23:37.12 | ieatlint | it's on the base image of both the n9 and n950 |
| 23:37.26 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes - I mean >5 levels |
| 23:37.31 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting magic) |
| 23:37.45 | ieatlint | oh, i think you buy that from inside the app |
| 23:38.00 | SpeedEvil | Link is broken |
| 23:38.09 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 23:38.13 | SpeedEvil | It redirects to rovio, which redirects to the store, and opens nothing. |
| 23:38.19 | ieatlint | i never got into angry birds, so i haven't even played a level on the n950 |
| 23:40.01 | berndhs | clearly the problem is they used rpm instead of deb, or the other way around |
| 23:41.21 | ieatlint | damn right, they should've used _____ |
| 23:43.53 | SpeedEvil | goes back to trying to beat 83280 on 1-5 |
| 23:58.10 | ieatlint | is it impolite/insisensitive/wrong to say "ding dong the witch is dead" ? |
| 23:59.25 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs |
| 23:59.30 | SpeedEvil | ARGH |
| 23:59.39 | ieatlint | yep |
| 23:59.53 | ieatlint | no surprise, he wasn't there yesterday |
| 23:59.58 | SpeedEvil | (Argh in that I just got 86450, but I looked away at the crucial moment) |