| 00:00.35 | faenil | so modprobe did not work.. |
| 00:01.22 | faenil | the fact is...it sends the APE-algo image, then shuts off |
| 00:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, tired right now |
| 00:02.58 | faenil | np ;) thanks anyway... |
| 00:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | try different usb port, preferrably backside. try good cable. try an older distro version or another distro |
| 00:03.21 | faenil | but it's the same error on win and ubuntu, I don't think it's the distro... |
| 00:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | try a different machine even |
| 00:03.26 | faenil | I tried on all usb ports xD |
| 00:03.33 | faenil | Yeah, better try on the desktop |
| 00:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | I heard laptops have several internal USB-connected "peripherals" and for that use internal USB hubs, often. Flashing however occasionally conflicts with hubs |
| 00:13.48 | faenil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | never seen that |
| 00:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | so I assume you're talking about winshit again |
| 00:21.19 | merlin1991 | can't stop playing around with the n9 |
| 00:24.30 | faenil | yes |
| 00:24.35 | faenil | but the thing is, I get the same error |
| 00:24.45 | faenil | with different USB cable drivers, and usb ports, and machine |
| 00:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 00:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | use winXP |
| 00:27.23 | merlin1991 | try some live cd like knoppix, or the ubuntu live cd |
| 00:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | and USE OCF! |
| 00:28.24 | faenil | DocScrutinizer: why would OCF change anything? It's just a .bat (batch commands) + same bin files... |
| 00:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, and iirc it does some additional module unloading etc |
| 00:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | plus I got no f*ng clue where from you got a stand-alone flasher under wincrap |
| 00:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm afk now |
| 00:34.07 | faenil | I got it from the OneClickFlasher man...just extracted it, and I got the images and the flasher.... |
| 00:34.09 | faenil | -.- |
| 00:34.38 | faenil | plus, the oneclickflasher does no module unloading in windows...it just reads device with -i |
| 00:34.43 | faenil | then does -a and -f |
| 00:45.56 | ieatlint | faenil: to confirm, you try to flash your n950 with the OCF from nokia's public site, and after sending the ape image it turns off the phone and the flasher sits saying something like "waiting for phonon..." forever? |
| 00:47.05 | faenil | yes but I'm not trying with the OCF, I'm trying with files from the OCF... |
| 00:47.34 | ieatlint | yeah, give up :P |
| 00:47.44 | faenil | lol :D |
| 00:47.46 | ieatlint | it's a certificate issue |
| 00:47.52 | faenil | is it? :O |
| 00:47.56 | ieatlint | your device is rejecting it |
| 00:48.06 | faenil | why should it? |
| 00:48.16 | ieatlint | actually, i'm not sure if it's the device or the flasher |
| 00:48.36 | ieatlint | i don't have a detailed explanation of why |
| 00:48.54 | ieatlint | i've run into this before, and i was told by a nokian that it was not a bug, but by design |
| 00:49.05 | faenil | -.- |
| 00:49.25 | faenil | thanks for the info anyway :) |
| 00:50.00 | ieatlint | feel free to keep trying.. if you succeed, i'll be very interested :) |
| 00:50.08 | ieatlint | you won't hurt anything as i understand |
| 00:50.54 | faenil | :) |
| 00:51.09 | faenil | atm, I'm flashing with OCF, and it's working now... |
| 00:51.41 | faenil | it's very late (2:51 am here) and lectures at uni start in 6 hours...I think I'll be a zombie when I wake up xD |
| 00:52.14 | ieatlint | drunk and or tired is the perfect time to flash your phone :) |
| 00:52.29 | faenil | exactly xD |
| 00:52.38 | ieatlint | especially drunk... sometimes you need that impaired judgement to convince yourself to try an image |
| 00:52.46 | faenil | hahhahaha |
| 00:53.58 | faenil | Erasing, it may take a while.... |
| 00:54.05 | faenil | come on....hurry up I need to sleep! XD |
| 00:55.39 | ieatlint | should've skipped the erase operation :P |
| 00:56.21 | faenil | right xD |
| 00:56.43 | faenil | the ocf did not ask about it xD |
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| 07:55.14 | MohammadAG | so apparently I won't be getting my N950 until two weeks |
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| 08:04.17 | w00t | on the upside, at least you're getting it, i guess |
| 08:07.58 | MohammadAG | w00t, it's in Israel, in customs |
| 08:08.13 | w00t | saw that from the other day |
| 08:08.22 | jreznik | MohammadAG: two weeks in customs? sad :( |
| 08:08.50 | MohammadAG | jreznik, it's been there for 4 days and a 10 day holiday starts tomorrow |
| 08:09.48 | rcg | hmmz.. sounds pretty silly for a loan device for which you shouldn't need to pay taxes after all |
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| 08:09.54 | jreznik | remembers marketing materials for Gnome 3 release party - it was stuck at customs for free weeks, billion calls, and they wanted certificate from ministry of agriculture that the Gnome balloons are wealthy etc... |
| 08:10.07 | rcg | sometimes governmental regulations drive you mad :( |
| 08:10.11 | jreznik | yep |
| 08:10.23 | djszapi | yeah, so not worth making a fuss, just accept it. :) |
| 08:11.57 | jreznik | djszapi: you have to accept it but when you have to pay taxes and custom duty for free media you've received as part of Fedora ambassador programs to be given away for free... yes, this happened a few weeks ago... free medias was worth a few hundred euros of taxes :))) |
| 08:13.11 | djszapi | that is a different story. |
| 08:19.46 | xarcass | Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? DocScrutinizer have told me once to take a look into mce.ini file, but i've found nothing relevant there.. |
| 08:20.25 | Stskeeps | isn't there a setting for vibration level..? |
| 08:23.25 | djszapi | jreznik: I understand your frustration about the Fedora ambassador deal, though. That is a very unfortunate situation. |
| 08:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | vibra pattern |
| 08:24.50 | jreznik | djszapi: yeah, different story but customs are always non-deterministic :) thanks for no borders in EU :) |
| 08:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | which control level over time |
| 08:28.15 | xarcass | and where could this vibra pattern be found, if this is at all possible? |
| 08:29.19 | xarcass | Stskeeps: for now, there isn't such setting. otherwise i wouldn't have asked :) |
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| 08:32.09 | djszapi | xarcass: at least I can set the vibration levels in the settings page. |
| 08:32.19 | w00t | there is a setting.. sounds and vibration in the settings app, scroll down, and set them to whatever level you want |
| 08:33.24 | djszapi | at least with the prototype in market. |
| 08:33.42 | dfaure | How do I connect the N950 to a WEP/WPA wifi network? It only talks about a pushbutton method and a PIN method... I want to enter a passphrase instead |
| 08:33.50 | xarcass | djszapi: I haven't had any doubts that you could :) Question was how mere mortals could also achieve this |
| 08:34.03 | djszapi | xarcass: same, settings |
| 08:34.28 | djszapi | dfaure: it will ask the password automatically. |
| 08:34.48 | djszapi | if it realizes that sort of network encryption. |
| 08:34.51 | dfaure | after I choose "skip wifi protected setup"? |
| 08:35.41 | djszapi | for instance, it now asks me for WPA pre-shared key if I choose that network. |
| 08:35.43 | xarcass | djszapi: all I can see in section "Vibration profile" is three "switches" - no level settings. There is also "Feedback" section, but this is irrelevant, I suppose |
| 08:36.17 | djszapi | Settings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom) |
| 08:39.22 | xarcass | djszapi: it's called "Feedback" in my case. There are three controls: 'System sounds', 'Touch screen tones' and 'Touch screen vibration'. Which ones should I adjust to increase vibration level in cases of incoming calls and messages. btw, i don't need touch feedback - it just scares me :) |
| 08:39.57 | djszapi | xarcass: that is weird. Do you have an N9 from stock ? |
| 08:41.03 | xarcass | I was even among first 100 who bought it in our country :) It was an official Nokia event, with champagne, music and all that stuff |
| 08:41.21 | djszapi | Which country, Denmark or something else ? |
| 08:41.25 | xarcass | Russia |
| 08:41.51 | djszapi | can you tell me please the software version you see in the about dialog ? |
| 08:42.06 | djszapi | I try to flash exactly the same and try out. :) |
| 08:42.29 | xarcass | 10.2011.34-1_PR_001 |
| 08:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | xarcass: sorry, you're right - there's obviously no more vibra-patterns in HARM mce.ini |
| 08:47.56 | jreznik | hmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :) |
| 08:48.26 | djszapi | xarcass: I have that vibration on my N950 with the relevant week image. |
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| 08:49.25 | xarcass | djszapi: so all I have to do is to sit and wait for an update, I suppose. so be it. |
| 08:49.57 | djszapi | xarcass: I did not mean to say that ;) I would ask the customer service. |
| 08:50.05 | djszapi | imho, it should already be there. |
| 08:51.25 | xarcass | djszapi: thanks for all your concerns and patience |
| 08:51.50 | MohammadAG | vibration level of what? |
| 08:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pineapples? |
| 08:52.13 | MohammadAG | no really |
| 08:52.22 | MohammadAG | ringtones, keyboard feedback...? |
| 08:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | ringtones (AIUI) |
| 08:52.43 | djszapi | MohammadAG: 11:36 < djszapi> Settings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom) |
| 08:52.54 | MohammadAG | afaik those are hardcoded |
| 08:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 08:53.08 | MohammadAG | djszapi, that's what you said, not what he asked |
| 08:53.49 | djszapi | 11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? |
| 08:53.57 | djszapi | that is what can be done ... |
| 08:54.07 | MohammadAG | and I asked vibration level of what |
| 08:54.15 | djszapi | and I told more times. |
| 08:54.20 | MohammadAG | sigh... |
| 08:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: /ignore |
| 08:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: makes life a whole lot easier |
| 08:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~djs |
| 08:55.18 | infobot | from memory, djs is http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/conversation-flowchart.jpg |
| 08:57.13 | xarcass | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.03 | djszapi | sorry, but what is the question yet ? It was said what could be done about vibration altogether. |
| 08:59.39 | MohammadAG | xarcass, that's either hardcoded, or somewhere that's not mce.ini |
| 08:59.45 | MohammadAG | in any way, it's not in the UI |
| 09:00.10 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 09:00.27 | MohammadAG | the default ringtones use Immersion haptic feedback stuff |
| 09:00.48 | MohammadAG | you'll need to make .ivt files and stick them in /usr/share/sounds/vibra |
| 09:01.06 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if there's OSS software to do that |
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| 09:01.36 | xarcass | MohammadAG: as I've understood it, it's not in *my* UI and that this isn't normal |
| 09:01.55 | MohammadAG | it's not in anyone's UI xarcass |
| 09:03.11 | djszapi | xarcass: yes, that is true. I admit, that is about the feedbacks. |
| 09:03.36 | djszapi | but that is all what can be done on the Ui back to the original question. |
| 09:04.16 | MohammadAG | his original question was about vibration (of ringtones) |
| 09:04.21 | MohammadAG | don't confuse him |
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| 09:04.51 | xarcass | djszapi: yep, i've tried this right now. doesn't work with ringtones |
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| 09:07.33 | djszapi | The original question was this: 11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? -> It was said what can be done in the Ui.. |
| 09:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | jreznik: I just wonder how that :) smiley managed to make it on your depressing news statement |
| 09:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd feel rather pissed to shell out what? 600 EUR for a phone with signal issues |
| 09:10.33 | MohammadAG | djszapi, don't be too anal about he asked the question |
| 09:10.48 | MohammadAG | about how* |
| 09:11.11 | Stskeeps | n9 has signal issues? |
| 09:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-12 10:47:56] <jreznik> hmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :) |
| 09:11.41 | MohammadAG | I'm considering buying an iPod touch |
| 09:11.47 | MohammadAG | do I sound insane? |
| 09:11.51 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: curious |
| 09:11.52 | xarcass | well, i just don't use touch feedback, so I assumed that there is no other use of vibration other than ringtones and other notifications |
| 09:12.07 | Stskeeps | jreznik: could you for fun try to disable the power saving mode? |
| 09:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: to me you sound insane all the time :-P Might relate to my /ignores though |
| 09:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: good thinking |
| 09:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | though PSM is meant to ensure voice connectivity |
| 09:13.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, it affects more than that |
| 09:14.06 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: think it's actually unrelated |
| 09:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 09:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | it is meant to reduce all power hogs to ensure GSM gets the last 30% (or whatever you set it to, up to 50%) of battery exclusively |
| 09:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | so if your battery goes to "reserve" level, everything but GSM voice runs on a reduced level or gets completely disabled |
| 09:16.25 | xarcass | remembers his nokia 3310 which jumped like a crazy frog while vibrating |
| 09:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | completely sane, unless you abuse it to switch off connectivity when you think you don't need it |
| 09:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | (which was the proposition somebody here stated and made me swear about Nokia engineers' sanity while those probably were completely innocent) |
| 09:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | xarcass: on N9* we got an accelerometer that could in theory sense that jumping and reduce vibra strength accordingly until the device stops jumping ;-D |
| 09:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | xarcass: know those otto engines with dynamic ignition time adjustment, that push back the time your compressed gas gets ignited until a knock sensor doesn't detect any more knocking due to early explosion? |
| 09:25.28 | xarcass | DocScrutinizer: it vibrates so weak that I don't believe that there's so sensible accelerometer installed to even notice this vibration |
| 09:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | jumping of device also will cause "knocking" (on impact on the table) that could get detected and reduces vibra strength in turn |
| 09:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | ooh the lis302 is good enough for that |
| 09:28.32 | djszapi | xarcass: I will ask from my colleagues whether it is possible somehow. |
| 09:28.57 | djszapi | if you are also fine with command line "hack". |
| 09:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | runs to hand in the patent papers for this, before inventwithnokia snatches away the idea and does it |
| 09:29.33 | xarcass | DocScrutinizer: i've kept my n3310 on the shelf with oscilloscope (it was the only place in a room with good signal strength), so it kept jumping on the floor from 1.5 meters for 2 years without damage. I remember those times with tears of tenderness :) |
| 09:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-))) |
| 09:30.28 | xarcass | djszapi: thanks again. and yes, i've league champion of command line hacks! |
| 09:30.46 | xarcass | s/i've/i'm/ |
| 09:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | xarcass: I'm afraid HARM isn't meant for you |
| 09:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | you know, on HARMattan virtually all cmdline hacks are defeated by security policy enforced by aegis/MSSF |
| 09:32.31 | xarcass | stares at the iphone he's coding right now with loathing and aversion |
| 09:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | does same with a different target: N950 |
| 09:33.47 | xarcass | DocScrutinizer: after 2.5 years of heavy-duty iphone coding, harmattan is like a refreshing fart in a room full of roses. believe me |
| 09:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | kinda on the point analogy |
| 09:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer the fresh atlantic shore breeze I feel on fremantle (or *real* linux/*nix for that behalf) |
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| 09:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | each single cmdline cmd I enter to N950 ssh I hold my breath in anticipation of next aegis fart |
| 09:38.30 | neal | DocScrutinizer: may be worse is better: the community will invest in meego ce rather than harmattan... |
| 09:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible |
| 09:39.12 | djszapi | yes, and more work on Mer which is good. :) |
| 09:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | but then meego CE is declared dead as well I heard, mer-resurrected is the hype of the week |
| 09:40.05 | Stskeeps | nop, CE isn't dead |
| 09:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | which is like reboot #5 in my book, to make the system stay always-up |
| 09:41.18 | Stskeeps | Mer is just core side of things, CE continues as-is, though probably rebasing on top of the core |
| 09:41.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: btw, would you have interest in nuking your n950 to a point where you run CE instead of harmattan, aegis-free? |
| 09:41.58 | Corsac | it seems it gets worse every 6 months |
| 09:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | tbh atm I'm just interested in N9 hw investigations |
| 09:42.16 | Venemo | Corsac, what gets worse? |
| 09:42.17 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 09:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | I applied for N950 with H-E-N9 and it seems it will never happen, or hell freezing over and Nokia allows loading of modules to stock kernel, dang maybe even includes hostmode kernel patches to stocjk kernel - MUHAHAHA. For this I need N9&HARM as target, not meego CE |
| 09:44.31 | SpeedEvil | Has the n9 kernel been released - any version? |
| 09:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | seems so |
| 09:44.49 | SpeedEvil | To compare with 950 |
| 09:44.51 | MohammadAG | the new kernel sources are on the repo afaik |
| 09:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 09:45.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:45.20 | SpeedEvil | Is that an update over a few days ago, or was that the n950 sources that weren't. |
| 09:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | and I guess they are same for N9 and 950 |
| 09:45.32 | Venemo | can we expect hostmode for the CE? when you done it for Harmattan? |
| 09:45.51 | SpeedEvil | hostmode for CE 'should' be simple. |
| 09:45.58 | SpeedEvil | At least in the n9 case. |
| 09:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: hostmode for CE should be friggin simple, basically |
| 09:46.06 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty much a stock kernel. |
| 09:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 09:46.16 | SpeedEvil | As long as upstream works. |
| 09:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | which afaik it does, on pandora/pandaboard (sorry I always mix up) |
| 09:47.01 | Venemo | but I'm talking N9(x0) here |
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| 09:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | same platform, basically |
| 09:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | same twl4030 PHY, same musb-hdrc in OMAP, we're done |
| 09:48.29 | Venemo | srsly? |
| 09:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure I'm willing to help with any problems that arise when setting defconfig of CE to usb-hostmode=yes |
| 09:50.09 | Venemo | that's nice of you :) |
| 09:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, please. No sarcasm before breakfast |
| 09:50.48 | Venemo | this was honest, not sarcasm. |
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| 11:00.01 | dfaure | new error when trying to flash the n950: Erasing, this may take a while. ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method |
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| 11:06.37 | svuorela | dfaure: I had that several times |
| 11:06.48 | dfaure | and you simply tried again? |
| 11:07.42 | svuorela | yes. without any success. Then I hacked the installer to not use the secure method |
| 11:08.52 | dfaure | huh |
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| 11:11.42 | svuorela | dfaure: there is a extractoneclickintsaller function on the meego wiki, and it gives a handful of executables, tarballs and shellscripts. one of the shellscripts calls a erase method =secure, I changed it to =quick |
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| 11:15.20 | svuorela | dfaure: do I make sense? |
| 11:15.37 | dfaure | it failed again, I'll try the above then |
| 11:17.20 | svuorela | I gave up after it failing ~10 times for me |
| 11:17.48 | dfaure | why did it work for those making the instructions.... |
| 11:28.20 | MohammadAG | it worked for me on my old N950 |
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| 11:48.04 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: got your N950 yet? |
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| 11:48.52 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, won't get it for another two weeks |
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| 12:06.45 | dfaure | svuorela: I'm completely confused ;) Where should I go exactly? ;) |
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| 12:08.29 | svuorela | tries to remember. and look things up |
| 12:08.57 | svuorela | dfaure: http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page - there is a extract-OCF function to extract the OCF into bits |
| 12:09.17 | dfaure | ah ok |
| 12:10.04 | svuorela | then look at the installer shellscript. even though it is a bash script and you are a zsh user, I guess you can figure it out anyways :) |
| 12:10.42 | dfaure | zsh is a superset of bash anyway :-) |
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| 12:30.23 | djszapi | xarcass: After some investigation: you can only enable/disable alert vibras for each profile (Settings -> Sounds and vibration -> Vibration profile). You cannot change the strength of the vibra alerts. |
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| 12:35.31 | xarcass | djszapi: that's a pity. I suspect Nokia will receive many complaints about that, because vibration is really weak. almost useless in my opinion. but thanks all the same. |
| 12:35.57 | MohammadAG | it was better in beta1 tbh |
| 12:37.47 | xarcass | MohammadAG: we are talking about N9 device, btw. i haven't got any experience with beta1 on the N9 |
| 12:38.09 | djszapi | xarcass: indeed. Do not forget the fact there is not much work ongoing since the 11th of February. |
| 12:38.52 | MohammadAG | The N9 and N950 have a similar motor, it was something that they changed in software |
| 12:39.25 | xarcass | djszapi: taking this into account, the resulting device can be called perfect, without the fear of contradiction :) |
| 12:40.18 | djszapi | xarcass: if there is no meego back then, and we are not working on two platforms at the same time, Harmattan could have rocked more :( |
| 12:41.47 | xarcass | cheer up, man. it rocks already. it maybe sucks a little in the area of vibration strength.. |
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| 12:44.23 | xarcass | hopes that MetaWatch will have proper support of the N9 |
| 12:45.44 | MohammadAG | it will, thanks to javispedro |
| 12:46.24 | dfaure | and now I get bb5_rdc_cert_read failed, the wiki only says this can happen, but not what to do about it |
| 12:46.48 | MohammadAG | modprobe -r phonet and cdc_modem |
| 12:47.03 | djszapi | dfaure: what did you do before that result ? |
| 12:47.44 | dfaure | MohammadAG: I have blacklisted and unloaded cdc_phonet already |
| 12:47.56 | dfaure | hmm phonet itself got loaded though |
| 12:49.15 | dfaure | blacklists phonet and tries again |
| 12:49.21 | dfaure | same result |
| 12:49.44 | MohammadAG | lsmod | grep modem |
| 12:49.53 | dfaure | djszapi: apart from the blacklisting, I extracted the installer to change erase-mmc=secure to erase-mmc=quick, since secure fails |
| 12:49.59 | dfaure | MohammadAG: no result |
| 12:51.19 | djszapi | dfaure: would you like to flash the beta2 image for N950 ? What is wrong about the official steps if you follow them ? What is the output exactly ? |
| 12:51.34 | dfaure | yes I'm trying to flash the beta 2 image to the N950. |
| 12:51.47 | dfaure | The official steps lead to ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method |
| 12:52.16 | djszapi | check sum is okay I guess, and you also tried on Windows ? |
| 12:52.24 | dfaure | no Windows seems to be my last option |
| 12:52.57 | djszapi | Windows worked in many cases, where Linux failed. I would even try a cold flash with an older flasher first. |
| 13:05.48 | dfaure | SUCCESS! Using an older flasher (but not cold flash). http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1/ saved the day |
| 13:07.02 | djszapi | dfaure: nifty ;) |
| 13:07.05 | Jaffa | mutters about Nokia Store's QA requirements. Does anyone know what the "support site" has to do? Having it be a top-level page wasn't sufficient, neither is a bug tracker |
| 13:07.20 | djszapi | dfaure: btw, do you have time and sake to join the KDE Harmattan sprint in Berlin ? |
| 13:07.45 | dfaure | djszapi: when is that? |
| 13:08.03 | djszapi | one week before the akademy-fr |
| 13:08.10 | djszapi | https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/61 |
| 13:10.24 | dfaure | oh boy, I need to order a few more clones |
| 13:10.41 | Kaadlajk | Jaffa: someone said that it automatically prepends http:// to support url so giving http://www.something.com does not work because it becomes http://http://... |
| 13:11.31 | RST38h | moos |
| 13:11.38 | Jaffa | Kaadlajk: If that's true I'd be so *utterly* pissed off. |
| 13:11.40 | djszapi | dfaure: :P |
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| 13:11.50 | RST38h | Jaffa: I have got a google group for the support site |
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| 13:12.00 | RST38h | Jaffa: something to let users leave feedback |
| 13:12.07 | Kaadlajk | Jaffa: there was FAQ item about it but cant find it anymore :P maybe they fixed it |
| 13:12.31 | Jaffa | RST38h: And what have you got as the URL in the store? Does it start with "http://"? |
| 13:12.43 | RST38h | no longer remember, checking |
| 13:12.43 | Jaffa | Kaadlajk: Couldn't see any FAQ - but I may have missed it |
| 13:12.47 | Jaffa | RST38h: thanks |
| 13:13.31 | spenap | in my experience, I got that problem with a https:// url |
| 13:13.45 | spenap | they put http:// before it |
| 13:13.47 | RST38h | the site is utterly broken though |
| 13:13.51 | RST38h | I doubt they ever tested it |
| 13:13.55 | spenap | but once that I used a http:// url, it worked fine |
| 13:14.05 | RST38h | but then, I doubt they ever tested Android Market publishing console either |
| 13:14.26 | Kaadlajk | testing was probably outsourced to india |
| 13:14.37 | RST38h | Jaffa: For fMSX, I have Support Website: http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/ |
| 13:14.51 | RST38h | Jaffa: So, it has eaten http:// at least once for me |
| 13:15.43 | Jaffa | really CBA to write a proper little micro-site for a clock which doesn't do anything except sit there. Even a bug tracker seems like overkill |
| 13:16.04 | RST38h | Once again, a google group |
| 13:16.15 | RST38h | And you can keep the same group for all your products |
| 13:16.45 | Kaadlajk | http://support.publish.ovi.com/?cat=6&topic=9&faq=Why%20is%20my%20support%20website%20linking%20incorrectly? |
| 13:16.55 | Kaadlajk | there it was |
| 13:17.19 | Jaffa | has asked for clarification as to what it needs to have before bothering doing anything else. Maybe an FMC link would be sufficient, for example |
| 13:17.35 | Jaffa | Kaadlajk: Thanks |
| 13:17.55 | Jaffa | This is a one-line thing to only add it conditionally in whatever piece of crap runs the site. Rubbish. |
| 13:18.07 | Kaadlajk | Jaffa: http://support.publish.ovi.com/?cat=6&topic=11&faq=My%20application%20has%20failed%20QA%20for%20not%20providing%20a%20valid%20support%20website.%20I%20do%20not%20have%20a%20website.%20What%20should%20I%20do? |
| 13:18.35 | Kaadlajk | someone also said that www.nokia.com is accepted as support website :-) |
| 13:21.17 | Kaadlajk | also obviously just email address wont work as support link, you really need website with email address |
| 13:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 13:25.19 | Jaffa | But if the requirement is to "show your support email prominently" and I've had to enter a support email address; why doesn't *Nokia* show it nice and prominently? |
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| 13:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: isn't it great? To publish a silly clock in OVI, you first run to your bank and mess with them to get a credit card to pay the 99ct to Nokia, then you set up a website for feedback and customer support. OMFG |
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| 13:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | German court has sentenced Ryan Air to not charge for payment methods other than credit card. Nokia doesn't even offer other payment methods |
| 13:31.06 | SpeedEvil | That's to do with advertised prices not matching. |
| 13:31.31 | SpeedEvil | Their latest wheeze in the UK is that they are trying to advertise a price - which you can get only if you sign up for their credit card. |
| 13:31.44 | SpeedEvil | Which has fees if you don't use it, nd if you buy anything else on it. |
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| 13:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | whatever it got to do with, I just frown on that asshat attitude that you're not a valid businessman without a credit card, and furthermore they aren't interested in contributions from those who aren't qualifying for their notion of real businessman |
| 13:35.37 | dfaure | added a link to the beta1 flasher in the wiki (n950_landing_page ) |
| 13:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | hey, you can't even get sponsored participation on Nokia events without a credit card, as you need to pay hotel etc on your credit card and Nokia will payback ONLY on credit card |
| 13:36.30 | dfaure | yeah it's not like we would be in the 21st century, credit cards are still pretty rare and hard to get... (!) |
| 13:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | dfaure: well there are several links ;-P e.g http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/ which also has the original of the extract-OCF function |
| 13:37.45 | dfaure | but no instructions, compared to the link I added |
| 13:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | dfaure: and credit card are really hard to get, esp if you're not willing to sell your ass and soul to a bank or credit institute |
| 13:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | look, I got no credit card, no gmail, and no facebook account. And I like to keep it this way |
| 13:41.58 | RST38h | Doc: Still got a TV though? |
| 13:42.18 | Stskeeps | and living in a cardboard box? |
| 13:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | and each honest business here in Europe offers a bank account to transfer arbitrary amounts of money to, for classic payment |
| 13:42.30 | RST38h | Stskeeps <-- trolling |
| 13:42.58 | Jaffa | Anyone know if the "Secondary & tertiary full-size screen shot" really are "required by N9 and RM-680"? |
| 13:43.04 | Jaffa | How many screenshots of a clock are needed? |
| 13:43.09 | RST38h | Jaffa: yes |
| 13:43.17 | Jaffa | FFS. |
| 13:43.21 | RST38h | shoot it at 15-minute intervals |
| 13:43.29 | Jaffa | does a portrait one. |
| 13:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | add a few nice porn |
| 13:43.50 | Jaffa | Someone's charging 1gbp for a "restart" app |
| 13:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 13:43.52 | RST38h | wonders what Finnish language construct gottranslated into "secondary and tertiary" |
| 13:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: no cardbox, but a 150yo building, nicely refurbished |
| 13:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: probably Nokia lives in a cardboard box, when they offer/require payment of 99ct with a credit card but don't offer e.g. paypal |
| 13:47.57 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: shh, don't let the truth come out about nokia offices |
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| 13:57.36 | dfaure | stupid question: how do I get a terminal on the n950? :-) |
| 13:57.50 | artemma | tap terminal icon :) |
| 13:57.53 | gri | by installing the developer tools |
| 13:57.58 | artemma | that is after u install developer tools |
| 13:58.37 | gri | settings -> security -> ... |
| 13:58.55 | artemma | DocScrutinizer: 99cents is about verifying the person and getting a link to hunt him back if needed. Not everybody who can pay on paypal is requied to provide identity + nokia would have problems to get people through paypal |
| 13:59.06 | dfaure | hmm I guess this should be added to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 ;) |
| 13:59.22 | gri | my osx just hung up completely while entering a qt bug report (bad sign) ? pulled the plug |
| 13:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | artemma: also would have problems to get people by backtracking usual bank money transfer? |
| 14:00.29 | dfaure | hmm developer mode says "installation package not found" |
| 14:01.07 | gri | dfaure, go to settings -> programs and click the update sign |
| 14:01.24 | lardman | dfaure: good luck, I had to cold flash after it failed to install the dev tools |
| 14:01.25 | gri | dfaure, this will do a apt-get update and your phone might be able to install developer tools after that |
| 14:02.51 | dfaure | gri: didn't help, it says "device is up to date" :( |
| 14:03.07 | gri | dfaure, this message does say nothing |
| 14:03.28 | gri | even if it didn't upgrade anything, it might now find the package (mine did) |
| 14:03.54 | dfaure | I did try again of course, and it failed |
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| 14:04.04 | gri | hmm, ok .. |
| 14:04.21 | dfaure | nice catch 22, no terminal without this package, and no way to apt-get update by hand without a terminal |
| 14:05.16 | gri | anyone here has a n9(50) and 2 minutes spare time to confirm a bug in qt-components for me? |
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| 14:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | I heard switching on and off (and back on ;-P) devel-mode helped |
| 14:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | possibly with reboots in between |
| 14:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | maybe also update-checks in between |
| 14:08.27 | MohammadAG | so I accidentally changed the lock code of an iPhone and locked the owner out |
| 14:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe it's all a hoax |
| 14:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: congrats, get him a new one X-P |
| 14:09.21 | lardman | lock code on an N950 vanishes with sufficient cold flashing and wiping of data |
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| 14:09.29 | lardman | for some reason |
| 14:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | for reason of that's been a design goal |
| 14:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | at least it is on latest N900 FW |
| 14:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | lockcode is to secure your user data, not to brick the device |
| 14:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | bricking is like poisonous fish - just it won't take effect as evolution is too slow to produce a smarter kind of phone thieves |
| 14:12.32 | dfaure | amazing! now it found the package |
| 14:13.02 | dfaure | I didn't do anything, except for trying again after 8 minutes |
| 14:13.02 | dfaure | and now download fails. The website must be extra busy... |
| 14:13.28 | lardman | Docscrutinizer:ah ok |
| 14:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | wich also isn't exactly anything new with maemo/nokia websites |
| 14:14.11 | lardman | dfaure: the issue I seemed to have was that the download was corrupt and it would therefore fail to install, and also not re-download |
| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: nice |
| 14:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | uninstalling the corrupt pkg also doesn't help then :-S |
| 14:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | as there's nuttin to uninstall |
| 14:15.58 | lardman | yep, was royally stuck |
| 14:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* be able to remove the cached .deb |
| 14:16.45 | lardman | yeah perhaps, but I'd need a filemanager with admin rights |
| 14:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | err, quite possibly, yes :-P |
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| 14:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | cheers aegis |
| 14:17.16 | lardman | lol |
| 14:17.20 | faenil | hi guys :) |
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| 14:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on the bright side: you may probably keep the locked fruitPhone then |
| 14:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now imagine you publish a software that bricks maybe 3000 devices :-P |
| 14:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | developers like the one publishing kernel-power-settings-GUI never were in a position where they did that commercially, so simply are denying the responsibility of app devels |
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| 14:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia otoh is the complementary extreme, when they refuse to disclose hints about e.g the maximum temperature of battery cell where bme or any replacement of bme should shut down |
| 14:25.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, had to restore the whole device |
| 14:25.25 | MohammadAG | why couldn't it be easy to crack... |
| 14:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe because apple really cares about their customers' data security a bit? |
| 14:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: btw you heard about Sony hack reloaded? :-D |
| 14:27.11 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 14:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | real fun |
| 14:27.27 | MohammadAG | my PS3's collecting dust tbh |
| 14:27.38 | MohammadAG | don't have much time for games |
| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not referring to any PS3 hack, I'm talking about another 95k customer data records ripped off by hackers |
| 14:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | seems Sony's still practicing proper website administration :-P |
| 14:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.gamona.de/games/aktuelles,sony-hackerangriff-auf-93.000-psn-und-soe-konten:news,1998917.html |
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| 14:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, according to the mere words of Sony it's not been a successful attack, but then I'd say futile attacks are happening every day and nobody at Sony will blog about it |
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| 15:16.28 | oprwww | hello, could somebody point me where's the file/db containing sms messages on N9? |
| 15:17.52 | radiofree | it's stored in tracker |
| 15:18.09 | radiofree | oprwww: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=959 |
| 15:18.31 | radiofree | oprwww: more directly http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=30147&postcount=6 |
| 15:18.43 | oprwww | radiofree, thank you! |
| 15:21.52 | gri | You could also use libcommhistory, if you want to display them |
| 15:22.40 | oprwww | actually, I have a xml sms dump from my winmo phone, I thought I could edit that list and import all of them into N9 |
| 15:23.00 | oprwww | can't that be done via sqlite insert queries? |
| 15:23.23 | gri | I would use the commhistory api to insert them |
| 15:23.35 | gri | that won't break anything if you have a typo |
| 15:23.41 | gri | everything* |
| 15:23.49 | radiofree | you could do it using qsparql insert queries as well, if you wanted to do it directly |
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| 15:24.18 | oprwww | sparql is something very new to me :) |
| 15:25.54 | oprwww | N9 is such a candy, btw |
| 15:26.08 | oprwww | ok, will dig into commhistory and qsparql, thank you guys |
| 15:26.14 | gri | oprwww, https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qmlplugin/messagehandler.cpp#line78 |
| 15:26.29 | gri | that's my code for inserting a new sms into the history |
| 15:27.53 | oprwww | I might use some parts of it, thanks |
| 15:32.50 | oprwww | another question btw, how do you think is it possible to hook receiving of a sms message to modify it before storing and displaying? |
| 15:33.15 | gri | oprwww, It's not possible |
| 15:33.23 | gri | but you can surpress the notification and change it |
| 15:33.41 | oprwww | I want to scan a SMS for matching phone numbers in phonebook and replace those numbers with the contact name |
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| 15:34.23 | gri | that might be possible since you receive the message, and you can change it before the user can click on the notification |
| 15:35.23 | oprwww | hope so |
| 15:36.30 | gri | it works :) I actually receive a message and my program replaces the action which gets called when clicking the notification -> so my program opens instead of the default messaging application |
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| 15:42.19 | javispedro | moo gentlemen. |
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| 15:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | gri: nice |
| 16:07.15 | djszapi | Stskeeps: there are news not OEM1 signed image flashing might not be available on these devices by flasher. I hope that is not going to be the case. I cannot right now flash not OEM1 signed image onto my N950. :/ |
| 16:07.47 | djszapi | That would be an exclusive point for the Mer hardware adaptation layer. |
| 16:08.03 | Stskeeps | you can't flash a non-OEM1 image, yes, of course |
| 16:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 16:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | -ECHAN? |
| 16:29.50 | Stskeeps | djszapi:its possible to flash own kernel and load own initrd on oem1 n950, but you cannot flash nokia non oem1 images |
| 16:31.10 | djszapi | That is good since the community images will not be Nokia images, probably. |
| 16:31.22 | Stskeeps | djszapi: yes |
| 16:31.57 | djszapi | Stskeeps: you already experimented with an own kernel (and maybe also with initrd) previously ? |
| 16:32.30 | Stskeeps | djszapi: yes, i have a kernel and initrd tat exports whole emmc over usb |
| 16:32.46 | Stskeeps | djszapi: unsigned of course |
| 16:35.29 | djszapi | okay, thanks :) |
| 16:35.53 | Stskeeps | should work on n9 too.. |
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| 16:40.50 | svuorela | hey. has anyone made gold in the 'alchemist'-game ? |
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| 16:57.37 | javispedro | got old on TMO that my fmrx CLI app works on the N9 :D |
| 16:58.02 | Corsac | told? |
| 16:58.43 | javispedro | *told. |
| 16:59.03 | javispedro | in the positive sense :) |
| 16:59.14 | Corsac | :) |
| 17:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, I wonder if Ronan got my mail regarding hw-eval N9 |
| 17:02.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ah, just read about it, good luck! |
| 17:02.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: have you described the differences between n9 and n950 in that regard somewhere? |
| 17:02.44 | javispedro | (host) |
| 17:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I sent a signed DLA or whatever it's called, and no reply since |
| 17:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I can't describe the differences, as hw of N950 is more unclear than ever |
| 17:03.31 | javispedro | The wheels of bureaucracy... |
| 17:03.39 | javispedro | ah :( |
| 17:03.55 | javispedro | it'll probably never be clear the... |
| 17:03.57 | javispedro | *then |
| 17:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | after I found out about TPS65951 and the missing hw kbd IF there, I just gave up on it as 65950 variant is clearly missing a few signals that are highly relevant for hostmode/boost |
| 17:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | so either N950 has the 51 variant and a dedicated kbd IF, or it has 50 and a pretty unclear USB & charging circuitry |
| 17:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | and even telling it apart is not exactly easy, and wouldn't help much in the end as we still don't know about the n950 schematics |
| 17:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's probably easier to get h-e-n working on N9, and then trying what's going to happen when we "backport" this to N950 |
| 17:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | as for N9 there are schematics, for 950 not though |
| 17:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | which is quite a bit weird |
| 17:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | but MEH |
| 17:09.40 | javispedro | and a complete pity |
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| 17:13.47 | javispedro | sigh, I already said why the Nokia Tune Contest was one of the most horrible ideas ever made virtually a month ago, and now everyone's surprised the result is equally horrible? |
| 17:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:17.12 | frals | pretty nice amount of publicity for nokia anyway |
| 17:17.31 | frals | and since the 'new' tune is not meant to replace the old one... well |
| 17:18.14 | javispedro | and someone might actually enjoy some of the other finalists http://nokiatune.audiodraft.com/entries/latest/ |
| 17:18.20 | ajalkane | Nokia's long been operating under the assumption that even bad publicity is good |
| 17:18.47 | javispedro | likes #2 |
| 17:18.55 | frals | no such thing as bad publicity (until elop came along ;() |
| 17:19.34 | javispedro | is happy, it only took one year for acer to finally ship drivers compatible with win7 sp1 (the laptop originally had win7 sp0) |
| 17:19.44 | frals | yeah #2 is nice |
| 17:21.21 | javispedro | (hm, not one year, just 8 months) |
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| 17:46.16 | javispedro | hm, did the n950 export MTP via USB previously? |
| 17:46.36 | javispedro | oh, in PC Suite mode I guess. |
| 17:46.44 | frals | sync and connect gives mtp |
| 17:51.56 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, hey-oh. |
| 17:52.56 | javispedro | hello GeneralAntilles |
| 17:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, so I was thinking about an application menu for the watch. |
| 17:56.43 | GeneralAntilles | Can we just duplicate the settings menu setup on the watch and use that to select watchlets? |
| 17:56.44 | javispedro | I think I plan to do that on longpressing |
| 17:56.52 | javispedro | hm |
| 17:57.45 | gri | How long does the watch battery last with bluetooth on? |
| 17:57.50 | javispedro | I was going to copy the menu from http://retrovirus.com/incr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cicada2.png but I like that idea more |
| 17:58.06 | GeneralAntilles | This way we get pretty icons. |
| 17:58.15 | javispedro | gri: between 3 and 5 days. usually, n950 dies first. |
| 17:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | I've been charging nightly, so I couldn't report anything useful. |
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| 17:58.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's never gotten low, though. |
| 17:59.09 | javispedro | I turn BT off (actually, the N950) during the night so my figures are not accurate either |
| 17:59.58 | gri | ok |
| 18:00.40 | gri | and what's the fastest refresh rate on the watch? the one I saw with the y-rotating Q in your video, right? |
| 18:01.20 | javispedro | a bit faster than that, but not much |
| 18:01.28 | javispedro | depends on the number of lines |
| 18:01.33 | javispedro | *modified lines. |
| 18:01.44 | javispedro | expect something like 10ms per modified line plus a 25ms delay per frame |
| 18:02.07 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: has it crashed on you since you reflashed? |
| 18:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Once everything went really weird |
| 18:02.28 | GeneralAntilles | But that was the day my N950 was turning itself off, too. |
| 18:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | So, meh. |
| 18:02.35 | javispedro | hah |
| 18:02.48 | javispedro | turning itself off doesn't sound right :S |
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| 18:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 18:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | Did it 4 times in the span of about 2 hours last week. |
| 18:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | lo gan |
| 18:08.07 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, DocScrutinizer. |
| 18:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | (everything weird) cosmic rays |
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| 18:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | (shut down BT) aiui you simply can't do that for the watch, and for N950 it doesn't matter, neither for the N950 nor for the watch. As - if I got it right - the watch is just listening all the time and that's pretty cheap on bat |
| 18:12.25 | melle | Hi all, a quick note: You can import an .ics file (e.g. your old N900 calendar) by emailing it to your device and tapping it. |
| 18:12.53 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can shut down BT on the watch, but you are right in that it is not very noticeable |
| 18:13.23 | melle | Could anyone point me to the location of notes? I'd like to import my notes from my n900... |
| 18:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | melle: great finding, add it to wiki |
| 18:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, well... notes... seems severely fsckd up |
| 18:14.22 | javispedro | the n900 had two notes apps actually |
| 18:14.33 | javispedro | the ones in the calendar app (sqlite db iirc) and the ones in the notes app (.txt files) |
| 18:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | iirc somebody claimed there's simply no files at all for notes |
| 18:14.52 | javispedro | the n950' notes app probably does sqlite/tracker |
| 18:14.55 | melle | javispedro: i mean the notes app (producing .txt and .note.html files) |
| 18:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | missing that on HARM |
| 18:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | basically that notes "app" on HARM is useless |
| 18:16.34 | javispedro | would disagree, but we've been over that already |
| 18:17.21 | javispedro | I also ponder why they did not spin Tasks into its own launcher icon |
| 18:19.27 | javispedro | maybe mailing oneself a .txt file will causes notes to import it? that's how it worked in PalmOS ;P |
| 18:20.57 | faenil | downgrading to beta1 has no drawbacks right? |
| 18:21.10 | faenil | I mean no side effects |
| 18:21.15 | javispedro | does that work? you willing to try? :D |
| 18:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you want to bring a minimum of structure to your notes (photos, whatever, for this topic) you need to invent your own markup language and include tags like "$$PATH:job/location3/room5/first-vist" to your notes and photos and whatnot, so you can "find" it via tracker - thanks to Nokia inventing the end of filesystem |
| 18:22.09 | javispedro | Nokia hardly invented it ;P |
| 18:24.00 | javispedro | faenil: if you want to try, do tell what happened. on N900 times, worst that could happen was that you where left without cellmo until you reflashed to the latest one again |
| 18:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | and quite obviously things like renaming, deletion, moving, uploading etc are pretty hard as you need to reinvent all those operations and the tools for it for every other tracker object again |
| 18:24.09 | javispedro | faenil: but I dunno about n950. |
| 18:24.27 | faenil | javispedro: okay thanks, it's flashing ;) |
| 18:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | faenil: common legend is it can't be done |
| 18:25.59 | faenil | DocScrutinizer: yeah... |
| 18:26.20 | faenil | DocScrutinizer: I think beta1 is better, so I'm going back.. |
| 18:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | you're *trying* to go back :-D |
| 18:26.42 | faenil | exactly xd |
| 18:26.46 | javispedro | we might be surprised |
| 18:26.51 | faenil | still "erasing" |
| 18:26.58 | rayyen | do you NEED a kernelmodule to be able to disable aegis? |
| 18:27.06 | faenil | I actually thought someone had already done this xD |
| 18:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | if standard OCF 22-6 fails, try using 34-2 flasher with 22-6 image, and do a coldflash |
| 18:27.41 | faenil | what's a coldflash |
| 18:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | rayyen: yes, pretty much |
| 18:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | faenil: coldflash is loading NOLO from flasher to RAM and executes it, rather than using the existing NOLO on device |
| 18:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | (simplified picture) |
| 18:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's an option (actually a set of options) for coldflashing in flasher tool |
| 18:29.51 | javispedro | btw |
| 18:30.07 | javispedro | I've noticed that Win8 also kinda uses Swipe |
| 18:30.26 | faenil | DocScrutinizer: oh ok thanks, yeah had seen the option in the flasher |
| 18:30.48 | javispedro | even the lock screen shares the "bounce" animation that hints you have to swipe it when you tap on it |
| 18:30.58 | faenil | xD |
| 18:31.13 | javispedro | and ignoring the windows key/button, swiping is the only way to go back to home/desktop |
| 18:31.21 | faenil | yeah |
| 18:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 18:31.31 | rayyen | mtd0-6 what/when is it used? since you can nanddump it.. Probably not gonna help me with aegis but.. just curios |
| 18:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | waits for next patent battle |
| 18:31.50 | javispedro | rayyen: cat /proc/mtd |
| 18:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 18:32.04 | rayyen | javispedro, aah, thanks. |
| 18:32.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: remember Elop? No patent battle for sure ... |
| 18:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | and you *could* even nandwrite it if aegis would allow |
| 18:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: AAAH me silly |
| 18:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | stay away from nandtest though!!! seriously! it's doing a stresstest on NAND and may kill your device AIUI |
| 18:34.54 | rayyen | heh, havent had the balls to touch test/write :P |
| 18:35.52 | faenil | I got a bb5_rdc_cert_read certificate error |
| 18:36.00 | faenil | after erasing process finished |
| 18:36.08 | faenil | and got a "Downgrade disallowed" |
| 18:36.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: hmm, not sure aegis will actually prevent writes to NAND |
| 18:36.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: expect cal area |
| 18:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | except? |
| 18:36.34 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | #define paegis aegis-policy |
| 18:37.46 | javispedro | touché |
| 18:37.56 | rayyen | So you would be able to modify/patch the kernel and nandwrite it back? :P |
| 18:38.06 | javispedro | no |
| 18:38.15 | javispedro | well, yes, but it'll be the same as flashing it. |
| 18:38.37 | faenil | is it ok if I stop the "erasing" process? |
| 18:38.48 | faenil | I don't want to wait 15 more minutes |
| 18:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | it will leave you with a messed up device that needs another flash |
| 18:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | possibly need a coldflash to recover |
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| 18:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | if it was NOLO that got fsck'd by aborting flash |
| 18:40.20 | javispedro | does coldflash work on the n950? |
| 18:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 18:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 18:40.45 | javispedro | dunno... |
| 18:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | flasher supports it, OMAP supports it |
| 18:41.32 | faenil | okay I'll wait for it to stop erasing this time,.. |
| 18:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | and basically it's the only way to bootstrap a wiped device - where wiped also is the state a device fals off the anuf line |
| 18:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | manufacturing line* |
| 18:43.07 | javispedro | btw, got open-rdate working under aegis |
| 18:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that is |
| 18:43.25 | rayyen | has nokia said anything as to why they decided to use aegis? Elop? |
| 18:43.39 | javispedro | implements "quick and dirty" NTP time syncing among other things |
| 18:43.46 | javispedro | ~= ntpdate |
| 18:43.47 | SpeedEvil | It was before Elop. |
| 18:44.03 | SpeedEvil | Aegis makes sense if you expect the platform to be rolled out to a billion phones. |
| 18:44.24 | SpeedEvil | It means you can do credential review, without doing sourcecode reviews. |
| 18:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | would make sense, if implemented and configured in a way ok for that purpose - which HARM evidently isn't |
| 18:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 18:46.28 | SpeedEvil | But they were making comments about aegis-like at n900 launch |
| 18:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | bad enough that nobody stopped them back when |
| 18:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | it was inevitable the whole thing ended like this |
| 18:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | even if aegis was implemented in a way it would allow pretty much of andridiot-alike user control over credentials an app requests, it still is mighty enough to make *somebody* mess up paegis so you get a comedy-OS like HARM |
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| 19:02.27 | merlin1991 | javispedro: got open-rdate packaged somewhere? |
| 19:02.39 | javispedro | yep, just need to upload it |
| 19:02.48 | javispedro | a moment, I'm in the middle of some important discovery :) |
| 19:03.07 | merlin1991 | my genius provider doesn't supply time info, so my phones are constantly out of time :/ |
| 19:03.23 | rayyen | javispedro, tell me its related to aegis :P |
| 19:04.08 | rayyen | killing aegisfs is not the best thing to do.. |
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| 19:23.43 | javispedro | rayyen: yes |
| 19:23.51 | javispedro | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=33105&postcount=73 |
| 19:24.14 | gri | oh god, it took me about 3 or 4 evenings just to write a shitty contact selector like in messaging-ui: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUssLureyMo |
| 19:26.20 | rayyen | javispedro,was it hard? |
| 19:27.18 | javispedro | as in, building a kernel.. |
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| 19:34.20 | rayyen | javispedro, so building a kernelimage and just flashing the kernel and it worked? |
| 19:34.37 | tarantism | javispedro: sssuperstar! |
| 19:35.13 | javispedro | rayyen: the one I tried had lizardo's patch, want to try what happens with an unchanged one |
| 19:35.59 | thp | javispedro: btw, would you accept a patch for sowatch that would make it possible to override the built-in qml ui files from files in the filesystem? (for experimenting with different UIs without the need for recompiling) |
| 19:37.15 | rayyen | javispedro, great work, anyway. :) |
| 19:37.40 | Arkenoi | wonders WHY does my cellular connection once a few day reset to "manual" mode, *very* annoying |
| 19:37.49 | Arkenoi | once a few days even |
| 19:38.24 | Arkenoi | and why i kept being asked to re-enter online service credentials once a week or so |
| 19:39.05 | javispedro | thp: oh, note that the idea is that apps should be in separate .so files |
| 19:39.10 | javispedro | thp: but it's a good idea, ok |
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| 19:39.45 | javispedro | (in fact I wish such an override could be made for every qt quick app!) |
| 19:40.07 | javispedro | thp: you have a digital watch? |
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| 19:44.04 | thp | thp: yep digital |
| 19:44.11 | javispedro | :) |
| 19:44.49 | thp | javispedro: i actually have the patch here, but i'll clean it up a bit more and then submit a merge request (I guess that's the easiest for you too?) |
| 19:44.54 | thp | :fit |
| 19:44.55 | javispedro | yep |
| 19:45.11 | Arkenoi | ah, i still haven't order the watch, should do it now.. |
| 19:45.32 | javispedro | woah, so many metawatch owners =) |
| 19:45.38 | javispedro | #metawatch hint,hint ;P |
| 19:46.10 | thp | javispedro: i actually ordered it only after seeing GeneralAntilles' video of your app ;) |
| 19:46.21 | javispedro | hah |
| 19:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | I need to make more videos |
| 19:46.23 | javispedro | killer app |
| 19:46.27 | javispedro | :) |
| 19:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | Gonna try to do a interview-style overview video in the 3-5 minute range. |
| 19:46.45 | Arkenoi | can i read sms from it? see appointment alerts? |
| 19:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | Since we just got a couple of lav mics to play with. |
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| 19:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, currently you can't read previous SMSes from it (trivial fix) |
| 19:47.22 | javispedro | Arkenoi: with my stock app you cannot do much, but you can create apps in qml, so anything you can do in QML you can in the watch |
| 19:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | but it does throw alerts. |
| 19:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, ultimately it's just a dumb display on your wrist |
| 19:47.35 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: in the latest git there's an app that reviews "current" notifications |
| 19:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | so you can have the phone feed it whatever you want. |
| 19:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, sweet. |
| 19:47.48 | javispedro | still pretty raw though |
| 19:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, can you do watchlets purely in QML? |
| 19:48.17 | Arkenoi | so anything that gets on notification screen will be thrown to the watch? |
| 19:48.22 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: technically, no, but the C++ you can reuse |
| 19:48.43 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: (similar to development on the N950, there's C++ that creates a QML viewer) |
| 19:48.50 | javispedro | (that you can reuse) |
| 19:49.00 | GeneralAntilles | Right, should create a Qt SDK template for that. |
| 19:49.02 | javispedro | Arkenoi: everything, including 3rd party |
| 19:49.18 | javispedro | sowatch users can try with the MTF widgetsgallery notifications page |
| 19:49.26 | Arkenoi | ah |
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| 19:49.43 | Arkenoi | grrr, annoying registration just to check out |
| 19:49.49 | Arkenoi | why not just use paypal? |
| 19:50.20 | zehjotkah | testing irc-chatter on the n950 |
| 19:50.29 | javispedro | hi zehjotkah |
| 19:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Arkenoi, because who wants to fork over more money to eBay? |
| 19:50.47 | zehjotkah | hi javis :) |
| 19:52.07 | thp | javispedro: btw, does sowatch support/expose the accelerometer/vibra already to the QML environment? |
| 19:52.11 | Arkenoi | i would happily pay extra $2 or whatever just to bypass registration, creating username, password,etc etc |
| 19:52.26 | javispedro | thp: vibra yes, not accelerometer |
| 19:52.31 | Arkenoi | really hate that |
| 19:52.35 | javispedro | actually, I've not done any experiments with the accelerometer yet.. |
| 19:53.00 | javispedro | neither with the light sensor |
| 19:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, so I was thinking about ways to use the light sensor |
| 19:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | Could you have the LED kick on when a new notification comes in if the ambient light level is right? |
| 19:57.45 | rcg | javispedro: how did you get that: Current mode: open? |
| 19:57.45 | thp | GeneralAntilles: i'd even suggest always enable the led for a few seconds for notifications - shouldn't be too bad in terms of battery usage |
| 19:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | thp, you could, but I'm not sure I'd really want it to during daylight hours. |
| 19:58.46 | javispedro | bbl |
| 19:59.36 | SpeedEvil | thp: unless prox sensor is on |
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| 20:25.19 | kgutteridge | Hi, I am making a Qt Quick App for a harmattan device, is there any easy way of selecting a pre existing large sql lite database and exposing its content to QTQuick, I assume I probably need a C++ bridge or similar |
| 20:27.25 | thp | kgutteridge: you could use the local storage api directly from qml, but you would need to copy the sqlite file into the right location first |
| 20:27.28 | thp | kgutteridge: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4583 |
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| 20:28.09 | thp | esp. the comment by mbrasser |
| 20:28.24 | melle | Hi all, does anyone know where the notes are stored? I can't seem to find any related files, but that might be due to my lack of understanding of tracker... (Anyone got a primer on that too?) |
| 20:28.28 | kgutteridge | thp: thanks will take a read, the databases are over 10meg so I assume will fail to use html 5 esque storage techniques |
| 20:32.05 | kgutteridge | thp: most useful, will give it a whirl |
| 20:32.16 | kgutteridge | thp: may very well owe you a virtual beer :) |
| 20:32.58 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there? |
| 20:47.33 | Venemo | javispedro, congrats for open mode! is there an easy way I can install it? |
| 20:47.52 | javispedro | Venemo: still experimenting, but you can flash one of those: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/kernel/ |
| 20:47.56 | Venemo | javispedro, in a rhetorical sense of course. I have no N950 at the moment to install it to. |
| 20:48.02 | Venemo | javispedro, ok, thanks :) |
| 20:52.08 | Venemo | javispedro, what is "lizardo's patch"? |
| 20:52.15 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75612&page=4 |
| 20:53.15 | Venemo | nice, nice |
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| 20:54.34 | merlin1991 | javispedro: did you up the rdate? |
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| 21:02.00 | javispedro | merlin1991: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/rdate/rdate_1.1.3-2_armel.deb |
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| 21:05.46 | djszapi | Hi! Is the package hicolor-icon-them available in the public sdk, repositories and so forth ? |
| 21:06.58 | javispedro | seemingly not |
| 21:08.09 | djszapi | weird, why it is not published .. |
| 21:16.04 | djszapi | ok, I put it onto c-obs until it is released by the SDK team, and we can delete it from the c-obs after the clash with the "official" version. |
| 21:22.24 | javispedro | djszapi: btw, I'm happy to report that "open mode" does work in beta2 :D |
| 21:26.23 | merlin1991 | djszapi: mind if I query you about the kde sprint in november? |
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| 21:36.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: who's going to pick up on the daunting task of maintaining FU-Aegis-kernel now? |
| 21:36.33 | javispedro | ha |
| 21:36.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka fua-pk |
| 21:37.13 | javispedro | I can keep on doing stock builds, but not a PK itself |
| 21:38.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, but it's the PK stuff (though harm flavour) that's really interesting ;-) |
| 21:38.42 | javispedro | never been a fan of kitchensink kernels, I usually make my own smaller ones |
| 21:39.00 | javispedro | is a gentoo user , it shows ;P |
| 21:39.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, getting rid of paegis is probably the ultimate best thing of fua-pk anyway |
| 21:41.30 | javispedro | the warranty warning might scare people away, though |
| 21:41.45 | javispedro | btw, can someone with ??_en locale take a picture of it and publish it? |
| 21:41.50 | javispedro | of the warning, I mean |
| 21:41.59 | javispedro | it seems to depend on the locale chosen on first boot |
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| 21:54.16 | Corsac | can people on harmattan check if it supports syncml? |
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| 22:03.16 | kgutteridge | thp: if I want to include several databases (and therefore change name) do you know how I can include the .db files |
| 22:04.10 | kgutteridge | thp: so they can be referenced something like this db.setDatabaseName(QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath()+"/qml/firstdatabase.db"); |
| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: good, I've chosen en locale, am on beta1 still though. wonder if the kernel will work with it |
| 22:11.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | most likely not, due to modules |
| 22:11.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: obviously not, the changes came with beta2 =) |
| 22:11.17 | javispedro | NOLO |
| 22:11.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | rrrrrright |
| 22:11.33 | rcg | great work javispedro!! |
| 22:11.56 | javispedro | not much work here :) |
| 22:12.06 | rcg | just hit refresh on that aegis thread :D |
| 22:12.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I could -flash-only NOLO |
| 22:13.34 | rcg | javispedro: well, yeah.. i think many people contributed there but you seem to be that point where everything converges |
| 22:14.03 | rcg | thats actually the best news since week when it comes to maemo |
| 22:14.36 | rcg | as this suddenly "unlocks" all the stuff we were being locked out due to aegis |
| 22:14.51 | rcg | *err meego of course |
| 22:14.57 | rcg | lol kinda late here ;) |
| 22:15.09 | javispedro | there are many cons though, like the warranty warning, requiring a reflash to swap between modes, etc. |
| 22:15.17 | javispedro | but yes, this is good news I think. |
| 22:15.45 | rcg | yeah.. but imho overall the good news outweigh |
| 22:16.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | guess what's first concern about providing it with fua-pk |
| 22:16.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | overclocking, OMFG |
| 22:16.12 | javispedro | obviously |
| 22:16.27 | rcg | and maybe there will be more improvement overtime... |
| 22:16.30 | rcg | *over time |
| 22:16.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: I guess that it's now clear why the warning is there. |
| 22:17.12 | rcg | hehe.. "do not try this at home ..." advertisment |
| 22:17.34 | rcg | ah well.. shoulda go to bed.. my typing keeps getting worse |
| 22:18.50 | rcg | btw. DocScrutinizer51 is this also the key to your usb host mode stuff? |
| 22:19.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: yep, and thank God (or elop, whomver) for that |
| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 22:19.49 | rcg | sweet |
| 22:20.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, one down on obstacles |
| 22:20.22 | rcg | but a major one i suppose? |
| 22:20.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 22:23.52 | javispedro | considering this is the first I hear of a custom kernel booting in harm... |
| 22:23.57 | javispedro | s/harm/n950... |
| 22:27.06 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Does it require a reflash, or can you boot it from PC? |
| 22:27.18 | javispedro | I am currently booting from PC |
| 22:27.24 | javispedro | there's something very weird here |
| 22:27.33 | SpeedEvil | wonders about a usb-key-thing that flashes. |
| 22:29.21 | javispedro | despite kernel aegis being disabled, I still can't dmesg |
| 22:29.24 | rcg | btw... warranty is for sissies.. considering that n950 comes with no warranty at all and propably >50% of all n9 buyers are getting some shipment from foreign countries for which probably not even nokia knows how to handle warranty requests properly |
| 22:30.25 | javispedro | still doesn't understand many parts of aegis.. |
| 22:32.29 | javispedro | aiui, "open mode" is a purely userspace thing, it just changes behaviour of userspace apps using libcreds |
| 22:32.44 | javispedro | from the kernel side, it just allows you to kill the validator |
| 22:33.42 | rcg | hmm ic.. but still you got movement in a before seemingly solid construction |
| 22:34.06 | rcg | anyways.. i seriously gotta hit the sack.. cya'll |
| 22:34.43 | SpeedEvil | It's 'always' been said there will be an open mode. |
| 22:35.02 | SpeedEvil | It's just that this is the first revelation that it's probably possible to implement. |
| 22:35.21 | javispedro | open mode was until now used internally, enabled via r&d cert |
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| 22:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:38.21 | faenil | good evening (even if it's past midnight here xD) |
| 22:38.29 | javispedro | with it you can now theoretically plainly rm validator-init, which checked the hashes of core binaries, and instead of MALFing, it will go ahead and boot |
| 22:39.02 | javispedro | problem with trying that is that if it doesn't go ahead I'll have to reflash :) |
| 22:41.00 | faenil | javispedro: is that what you were talking about this afternoon? "I'm in the middle of something interesting" |
| 22:43.10 | javispedro | ye |
| 22:43.11 | javispedro | yep |
| 22:43.20 | faenil | nice :) |
| 22:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, what we got is: custom kernel running, HARM rootfs not completely blowing chunks on boot right away, *some* apps confirmed to still work with such a tainted kernel, accli detecting that kernel is tainted and documenting this via "open mode" response, 2 or 3 commands not throwing "Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules" or similar crap. But we still got no proper official way to shut down aegis and enter a lemme- |
| 22:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | call-it clean linux mode |
| 22:44.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: whatever is preventing dmesg is on the kernel, which means I'm not worried. |
| 22:44.39 | javispedro | more problematic would have been if we had to hack individual userspace apps, each with its little checks |
| 22:44.51 | javispedro | (and as I said I didn't want to go "there") |
| 22:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | sure, we pwned the kernel thus the system, but we got a terribly messed up system in front of us, with no straight way to go to clean linux mode |
| 22:45.28 | javispedro | since rd mode is used internally, I guess that what remains of aegis is there because they use it for either debugging aegis itself or as a "reminder of how the device will act" |
| 22:45.56 | javispedro | so killing that is probably a one line away too. |
| 22:46.40 | javispedro | nothing is pwned |
| 22:47.33 | javispedro | envision a single if (unsigned_kernel) malf() on diverse binaries of the system, or refusal to access to existing aegisfs partitions (they are encrypted; if i'm reading them means aegis is "giving me the keys", so to speak) |
| 22:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I said in my "modulo the fact that Nokia can decide to go one round further in that cat&mouse game and revoke/patch anything any time they want." |
| 22:49.26 | javispedro | that's true, my hope is that with the noise that's been made they'd think twice before doing that. |
| 22:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (reading aegis-fs) that's why I asked you about ls -l /etc/ssl/certs|wc -l and was very amazed it was still possible on open-mode |
| 22:50.57 | javispedro | me too |
| 22:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | this would actually mean we pwned the TPM |
| 22:52.44 | SpeedEvil | Well - strictly speaking, it means it was turned off in beta2? |
| 22:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | you can fake the normal mode when you have full control over the kernel, so if (unsigned_kernel) malf() is moot. What we can't get back is a TPM that got locked down, and it seems we still own it |
| 22:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | or sth in aegis is terribly odd implemented |
| 22:55.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you pinged? |
| 22:56.24 | javispedro | MohammadAG: yeah, but got it on my own; was looking for some MCE dbus message that was blocked. |
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| 23:03.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I won't have my N950 for another two weeks |
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| 23:32.42 | MohammadAG | iOS5's swipe down notification center looks pretty much like Harmattan |
| 23:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | surprise surprise |
| 23:33.41 | RST38h | ALso see Android notifications |
| 23:34.00 | MohammadAG | RST38h, no |
| 23:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | called it a meeto-system long ago |
| 23:34.06 | MohammadAG | andr9id windows slide down |
| 23:34.17 | MohammadAG | this is Harmattan style swipe |
| 23:34.26 | MohammadAG | with the rounded corners too! |
| 23:34.26 | RST38h | Hmm |
| 23:34.31 | MohammadAG | the bastards |
| 23:34.42 | RST38h | BTW, believe it or not but Android web browser cannot do ftp:// =) |
| 23:35.39 | MohammadAG | first thing that came to my mind is not the Galaxy SII in the house, but my N950 |
| 23:36.04 | javispedro | hi there RST38h |
| 23:36.11 | RST38h | mooo, javispedro |
| 23:36.23 | RST38h | javispedro: how is....mhm....research? |
| 23:36.49 | RST38h | Mohammad: Isn't it natural, given how we all love N950? =) |
| 23:37.08 | javispedro | RealLife research is suspend for 8 more hours or soo (today was a holiday, spent first half of it sleeping =) ) |
| 23:39.38 | RST38h | javispedro: Some people manage to suspend it for years! |
| 23:40.30 | RST38h | found that most Android tablets demoed at the large electronics chain here in the US are logged into peoples' Google accounts. |
| 23:40.49 | RST38h | I could actually BUY apps from the Market if I wanted =) |
| 23:42.14 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:42.23 | javispedro | noone clears the browser cookies from those |
| 23:42.29 | javispedro | so you can find plenty of facebook accounts |
| 23:43.29 | RST38h | who needs fb accounts? now, their credit cards are different business... |
| 23:43.47 | RST38h | and Google conveniently ties them to their accounts |
| 23:44.00 | javispedro | I know at least one person that uses to post stuff like "I'm gay" (in a more elaborated way) to the facebooks of these peoples |
| 23:44.54 | RST38h | javispedro: ahhaha |
| 23:51.46 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Officials at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada knew for two weeks about a virus infecting the drone "cockpits" there. But they kept the information about the infection to themselves - leaving the unit that's supposed to serve as the Air Force's cybersecurity specialists in the dark. The network defenders at the 24th Air Force learned of the virus by reading about it in Danger Room. |
| 23:52.53 | TSCHAKeee | ouch |
