| 00:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and yet people want government involved in every part of their lives for some reason. |
| 00:21.04 | RST38h | General: You would rather want Raytheon management to fail reporting the virus in their drone control systems? |
| 00:21.17 | RST38h | General: Would that difference make you feel better? |
| 00:21.34 | RST38h | or Boeing maybe? or Lokheed Martin? |
| 00:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, hey at least they lose money when they screw up |
| 00:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | the government's incentive is all screwed to hell. |
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| 00:57.24 | RST38h | General: Actually, they do not lose money |
| 00:58.25 | RST38h | General: That is the fun part: you get to choose between inefficient government and inefficient corporation with internal structure closely resembling one of Soviet Union |
| 00:58.59 | RST38h | Government is actually more manageable, as it is a bit more transparent :) |
| 01:14.32 | SpeedEvil | notes that to launch 60 tons to orbit in the next decade, lockmart wants $30B. |
| 01:14.45 | SpeedEvil | Commercial launch vehicles can do 30000 tons for the same money. |
| 01:17.20 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: What are you launching? =) |
| 01:17.58 | SpeedEvil | Alas nothing. |
| 01:18.14 | SpeedEvil | Though I do have sketches for a four-stage orbital launcher. |
| 01:18.28 | RST38h | Does it use antigravitation? |
| 01:18.32 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:18.38 | RST38h | Eh... |
| 01:18.46 | SpeedEvil | Peroxide, and kerosene. |
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| 02:32.18 | RST38h | Gizmodo writer having an erection in public: http://gizmodo.com/5848834/icloud-is-a-bigger-deal-than-you-think-its-the-future-of-computing |
| 02:33.08 | RST38h | (I guess some people never went to college and did not have a chance to find out about Unix networking] |
| 02:38.52 | nibbler | omgponies, someone build a web-based calendar and addressbook and stuff. all fanbois aboard the fap-ship! |
| 02:39.03 | nibbler | *scnr* - i think i have to throw up. |
| 02:41.38 | nibbler | had that functionality with _symbian_ (of all things) ever since he set up a funambol instance and webdav. |
| 02:41.55 | nibbler | and it even was platform/vendor-independent. |
| 03:01.57 | djszapi | merlin1991: query about what ? |
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| 04:31.31 | jylan | Has anyone with the N950/N9 experience bugs with the camera autofocus? |
| 04:31.54 | jylan | Autofocus seems to stop responding completely after a while on my N9 |
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| 04:54.09 | frals | anyone that flashed 'open mode' kernel to this device and tried facebookqml, does it still work? |
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| 07:09.27 | djszapiN9 | merlin1991, i am about to send the participant list further. What query did you mean ? |
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| 07:27.16 | djszapi | merlin1991: and the sprint is mostly invite-only. |
| 07:28.50 | dm8tbr | djszapi: ah, like tizen? SCNR |
| 07:29.29 | djszapi | dm8tbr: well, if you take the sponsorship for the participants, we can sponsor anybody. ;) |
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| 08:11.53 | mja | OK, any1 able to translate QA English to ordinary English: "The application should prevent the user when receiving an sms"? |
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| 08:12.57 | djszapi | prevent from what ? |
| 08:13.13 | djszapi | from receiving an sms ? |
| 08:13.42 | mja | I don't know.. |
| 08:14.02 | dfaure | was that written by a french guy? |
| 08:14.11 | dfaure | looks like "prévenir" which would mean alert |
| 08:14.23 | dfaure | (notify) |
| 08:14.48 | mja | it goes on: "when launching the application is running, and a messages its received the application not prevent the user about the sms" |
| 08:15.03 | mja | dear lord.. |
| 08:15.16 | djszapi | =) |
| 08:17.14 | mja | that could be a google translation |
| 08:17.51 | mja | but I don't know honestly what I can do about sms:s |
| 08:18.13 | mja | my program is a game |
| 08:26.08 | Kaadlajk | it is either that your application should not prevent a SMS notification or it should prevent the notification when your app is started :P |
| 08:26.14 | Kaadlajk | is that from OVI store? |
| 08:29.57 | mja | yep |
| 08:30.36 | mja | I don't understand how anyone can publish pure qt programs in the store if stuff like that is required |
| 08:30.59 | mja | means I probably have to include messaging stuff in aegis manifest etc |
| 08:31.14 | djszapi | mja: because there has not been a proper OVI Qa yet. |
| 08:31.17 | djszapi | QA* |
| 08:31.50 | mja | jswhat do you mean by that? |
| 08:32.00 | mja | djszapi: ... |
| 08:32.01 | Arkenoi | ordered metawatch |
| 08:32.22 | djszapi | mja: there is no proper QA in OVI. Stuff like that can occur. |
| 08:33.11 | mja | so QA for the store is pretty random? |
| 08:33.32 | djszapi | it is pretty bad, yes. :/ |
| 08:33.49 | mja | awesome.. |
| 08:34.02 | djszapi | they have been working on it though applying many new developers. |
| 08:36.16 | xarcass | Arkenoi: is it already possible? btw, where are you from? |
| 08:36.30 | mja | OK, I just tried it, and in both the game and the main menu there is a notification bar popping up when receiving an sms |
| 08:36.45 | mja | why should it be disabled? |
| 08:36.54 | mja | sheesh |
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| 08:40.06 | rantom | Who's got a N9? |
| 08:40.13 | rantom | Retail, not developer |
| 08:41.16 | xarcass | strokes his retail N9 tenderly |
| 08:42.22 | rantom | xarcass: Enabled developer-mode? Everything ok? |
| 08:42.39 | xarcass | flawlessly |
| 08:42.51 | rantom | I'd need Terminal for SSH & IRC but I'm not sure do I want to enabled developer-mode just for that |
| 08:42.55 | rantom | Ok, good |
| 08:43.21 | ajalkane | someone in meego forum borked their N9 enabling developer mode |
| 08:43.30 | ajalkane | without a flasher available, not usable anymore |
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| 08:43.58 | rantom | That's exactly why I'm a bit worried |
| 08:43.59 | rantom | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4663 |
| 08:44.12 | Stskeeps | isn't there a N9 OCF? |
| 08:44.26 | rantom | I've been told that it's ok but I'm still a bit unnerved about enabling it |
| 08:44.34 | rantom | OCF? |
| 08:44.35 | xarcass | mine has been enabled for about a week for now, yet haven't got a chance to regret about this |
| 08:45.07 | mece | wow damn |
| 08:45.16 | mece | rantom, one click flasher |
| 08:45.21 | rantom | Ah, ok |
| 08:45.31 | rantom | Stskeeps: So far no, I think |
| 08:45.44 | mece | why why why is there no flasher?? |
| 08:45.46 | rantom | I'm thinking of waiting until one is at hand for public and then enabling it |
| 08:46.39 | rantom | mece: Probably because it's not launched(?) yet in all regions and they don't want people to go and try to flash N9 retail fw to developer-devices? |
| 08:46.50 | rantom | IF someone would be that...impatient |
| 08:46.54 | Stskeeps | you can't, anyway |
| 08:47.00 | xarcass | rantom: i've enabled devmode before that thread appeared on the forum. otherwise i would have waited |
| 08:47.33 | rantom | Hmm, ok |
| 08:47.38 | mece | What difference does it make if the devs install retail fw? I don't understand the problem there. |
| 08:47.52 | rantom | mece: just guessing |
| 08:48.08 | rantom | there is no problem |
| 08:48.14 | rantom | oh wait, there is |
| 08:49.43 | rantom | But yeah, thanks. I might try to be safe and wait for the public OCF, just to be sure |
| 08:54.43 | w00t | has seen two developer modes enabled without problems |
| 08:56.28 | rantom | Quite an odd day today though in Finland. Day of failure, day of beer, N9 launched and Ubuntu 11.10 launches today |
| 08:56.38 | rantom | Something is bound to go wrong.. |
| 08:58.42 | special | Dennis Ritchie died, does that count? |
| 08:58.53 | dfaure | can't enable developer-mode :( |
| 08:59.02 | rantom | special: I'd guess |
| 08:59.20 | rantom | dfaure: How come? It just won't enable? |
| 08:59.28 | dfaure | yep, "Download failed" |
| 08:59.34 | dfaure | when trying to download the developer-mode package |
| 08:59.38 | dfaure | on a n950 beta2 |
| 09:00.26 | Hq` | something did go wrong... my N9 hasn't even shipped yet |
| 09:00.38 | Hq` | stupid dumb company store |
| 09:01.15 | rantom | dfaure: Ah, beta2 |
| 09:01.33 | dfaure | rantom: isn't that the latest? ;) |
| 09:01.36 | rantom | Mine failed too but reboot fixed |
| 09:01.38 | rantom | Yes |
| 09:01.56 | dfaure | tried rebooting already |
| 09:01.57 | rantom | But I thought you were talking about the retail fw |
| 09:02.03 | rantom | oh, then I don't know |
| 09:02.26 | dfaure | retail? I thought this thing wasn't being sold yet? |
| 09:02.35 | rantom | I always use Windows-logic for that kindof errors (as in: reboot) :P |
| 09:02.46 | rantom | dfaure: N9 |
| 09:02.54 | dfaure | ah ok |
| 09:04.08 | mja | I know I'm asking a lot, but could someone with N9 test my game and see what happens when an sms is received? |
| 09:04.42 | mja | on the N950 beta2 it's as it should, the notification bar pops up at the top of the srcreen |
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| 09:06.30 | mja | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/MTCatchShake |
| 09:06.43 | mja | .deb version 1.0.1 |
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| 09:06.59 | djszapi | http://boingboing.net/2011/10/12/dennis-ritchie-1941-2011-computer-scientist-unix-co-creator-c-co-inventor.html |
| 09:07.12 | mece | rip Dennis |
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| 09:25.58 | jreznik | djszapi: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/303087_10150407677653523_106976563522_9959561_112348140_n.jpg |
| 09:27.01 | jreznik | do you know how to ask OVI Store people to add some application to selected Collection (you know, that collection that are empty right now...) |
| 09:27.17 | djszapi | one of his quotes: ""UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity."" |
| 09:28.06 | jreznik | djszapi: you mean lennart? :) |
| 09:28.30 | jreznik | should not be sarcastic now |
| 09:28.59 | djszapi | jreznik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie#Quotes |
| 09:29.43 | jreznik | djszapi: I know, just with lennart & company there's new re-definition of what Unix should looks like |
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| 10:59.48 | djszapi | Mmm..For the record, I deleted the alsa-lib aggregation from the community repository since that was duplicated, if I am not mistaken. |
| 11:00.38 | djszapi | and unfortunately, it was even broken. kdebase-runtime could not pick up the proper libasound-dev version.. so either an old version, or aggregate is not working well in this case. |
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| 11:06.08 | macmaN | uuga uuga, what is this im reading about kernel sources aegis-liberation |
| 11:11.42 | mece | seems the N9 is selling very well in Finland. |
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| 11:13.26 | djszapi | would be nice to have a tool that can mention if a certain package is already available from the "official" repositories. |
| 11:15.13 | mece | is the downloads.nokia.com the official ones? |
| 11:16.27 | djszapi | many breakages happened so far because of the duplications. |
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| 11:19.51 | faenil | good morning! any news? :D |
| 11:20.44 | djszapi | someone told a guy called faenil needs to return his device :p :p |
| 11:20.56 | faenil | omg, are you talking for real? |
| 11:20.58 | faenil | XD |
| 11:20.59 | faenil | lol |
| 11:21.03 | djszapi | entirely real :D :D |
| 11:21.08 | faenil | dammit! XD |
| 11:21.31 | faenil | disconnects and vanishes |
| 11:21.40 | leinir | hm. arbitrary decisions are fun |
| 11:21.51 | leinir | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229473-Bouncing-event-animation-on-N9-lock-screen |
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| 11:24.51 | dm8tbr | leinir: as a workaround, can you programatically create a calendar event at second accuracy? or does that only do minute level resolution. |
| 11:25.35 | leinir | dm8tbr: well, that'll also make it spawn a calendar event to be dismissed... |
| 11:26.35 | djszapi | faenil: btw, I will be in Munich by Friday early morning |
| 11:26.36 | dm8tbr | call it 'tea ready' :) |
| 11:26.38 | djszapi | so Sunday sounds ok to me. |
| 11:26.48 | faenil | djszapi: wow :D |
| 11:27.51 | faenil | lunch's ready, be back later :) |
| 11:28.13 | leinir | dm8tbr: well, more to the point the app has other things too.. |
| 11:28.22 | leinir | but, i guess, a banner event will have to do |
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| 11:44.42 | faenil | back :) |
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| 12:26.26 | maxw | anyone know if there's a telnet prog for n950? |
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| 12:36.58 | maxw | lo? anyone? telnet? |
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| 12:37.35 | Stskeeps | doesn't busybox have one? |
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| 12:57.58 | xarcass | have complaint to the Nokia Care about vibration level. Surprisingly, they admitted the problem and that other users also have similar inconvenience. They also assured me that report have been sent to the developers team and solution will be available in the near future. |
| 12:58.48 | Stskeeps | "please have this bluetooth dildo to help your vibration level problem" |
| 12:58.52 | w00t | hahaha |
| 12:59.28 | faenil | ahhahaah |
| 12:59.50 | xarcass | pukes |
| 12:59.50 | maxw | Stskeeps: seems not :/ |
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| 13:11.10 | SpeedEvil | imagines the nk-dld49. |
| 13:11.39 | SpeedEvil | xarcass: on the n9? |
| 13:11.53 | xarcass | yep |
| 13:20.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | xarcass: the device is ok, it's just the OS implementation details that suck |
| 13:21.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | and of course the product requirement specs are not my cup of tea |
| 13:22.12 | xarcass | cannot see any relation between vibration level and OS implementation and hopes that BT dildo won't be too expensive |
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| 13:24.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | relation #1: why got vibra-patterns nuked out of mce.ini? |
| 13:26.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | on fremantle it's been easy to define your very individual patternVibraACMEorgasm there |
| 13:26.57 | xarcass | well, I doubt that if it was in the mce.ini i would've been able to edit it anyway. so it's all the same to me. I don't even know what that MCE stands for |
| 13:27.41 | xarcass | wonders whether there will be mce.ini inside that BT dildo and how it would be possible to edit it |
| 13:27.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | Missin Control Entity (or Machine) |
| 13:28.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | and yes you actually can edit /etc/mce/mce.ini afaik |
| 13:28.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | mission* |
| 13:28.42 | xarcass | sounds dangerous to me. I wouldn't dare messing about it. |
| 13:28.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | not missing |
| 13:29.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 13:29.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe linux isn't the right platform for your needs then |
| 13:31.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I *think* you could find out if you may mess with mce.ini by # grep 'mce/' restok |
| 13:32.08 | snowpong | whats the uniqe identifier for .deb packages, is it the package name or? Symbian has UID3's - for meego/harmattan/deb I'm a bit unsure (wanting to make sure software updates work) |
| 13:32.11 | xarcass | I wonder why all people keep saying me exactly this.. I've been using linux constantly (with various flavors) since 1994. Without complaint or regret. I just don't want to brick my phone before official flasher becomes available |
| 13:32.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | fair enough |
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| 13:34.51 | xarcass | moreover, that's not my problem: many people face the same issue and they may be not as experienced in linux as me or you - they must not be linux guru just to use the phone. overall device quality - that's what concerns me. |
| 13:35.33 | cos^ | anyone know a decent geocaching app for harmattan? i just tested cacheme and it's not stable enough yet. |
| 13:37.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | the device qualityt is just fine for what I can tell so far |
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| 13:38.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | again, it's HARM that sucks |
| 13:40.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | and for all I can deduce N9 is shipping with a firmware that's called Beta2 on N950 |
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| 16:51.25 | thp | btw, is there a way to put stuff onto the lockscreen like e.g. unread text messages are currently displayed? |
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| 16:54.40 | RST38h | Standard MTF notification framework shoudl work, I was told |
| 16:55.37 | leinir | Yeah, that works |
| 16:55.42 | leinir | it's annoying, but it works |
| 16:55.55 | thp | does it allow direct interaction or just a single "swipe to the right" activation of the item? |
| 16:56.09 | RST38h | second |
| 16:56.11 | thp | (i.e. would a media player "widget" with different areas be possible?) |
| 16:57.02 | RST38h | nope |
| 16:57.26 | RST38h | but you can have one on the same screen where feeds and weather are |
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| 17:26.09 | frals | RST38h: how? :) |
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| 18:18.13 | petteri | got n9 today. Seems that the white led is not blinking when I charge the device. It works when I boot however |
| 18:19.27 | petteri | i assumed it should blink |
| 18:20.03 | berndhs | so now what? give up on technology, move to Tahiti and paint natives ? |
| 18:23.00 | rayyen | zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20112910-lizardo, anyone tried it on N9? |
| 18:23.23 | rayyen | I really dont give a f..k about warranty as long as it doesnt brick it or something.. I was there was a warning. |
| 18:24.05 | rayyen | on phone + typing = a mess. |
| 18:24.17 | Stskeeps | you cannot assume it won't brick it, fwiw :P |
| 18:24.42 | rayyen | has anyone tried it on n9? :) |
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| 18:25.50 | rayyen | bricked or a locked aegis-lovin kernel.. |
| 18:26.30 | rayyen | Im leaning towards bricked.. probably have to wait a day or two until I get there :P |
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| 19:28.21 | djszapi | hi wazd =) |
| 19:28.28 | djszapi | long time ago.. |
| 19:28.34 | wazd | djszapi: heya |
| 19:28.43 | wazd | djszapi: I'm a horrible monster, I know |
| 19:28.57 | wazd | djszapi: probabbly you've already made a voodoo doll for me |
| 19:29.09 | djszapi | haha =) |
| 19:29.23 | wazd | djszapi: but I'm still having that insanely crazy product launch |
| 19:29.41 | djszapi | :/ |
| 19:29.57 | augustl | is it true? Can I get full root access to my N9 now, and keep the swipe UI? |
| 19:30.13 | wazd | djszapi: I'm almost dead myself |
| 19:30.54 | augustl | petteri: it's supposed to blink, yeah |
| 19:31.28 | djszapi | hugs wazd |
| 19:32.08 | wazd | djszapi: and my videocard died today or something, which definitely proves my voodoo theory :P |
| 19:33.47 | wazd | well, something's definitely wrong but I'm still trying to figure out what :) |
| 19:34.31 | petteri | augustl: ok, do you think i should return the device (i thought it could be software bug, since the led works when the n9 boots)? |
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| 19:44.52 | augustl | petteri: no idea really.. I don't think I would |
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| 20:02.25 | djszapi | anybody having an idea for this issue ? http://preview.tinyurl.com/3sxzfov A higher version of this package is apparently available here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/a/alsa-lib/ |
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| 20:05.08 | petteri | reading on the finnish forum, it seems to be common problem that black 64GB version does not blink the led when charcgin |
| 20:05.25 | petteri | can anybody here confirm the bug? |
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| 20:09.12 | djszapi | wazd: will you have some time in the near future ? :p |
| 20:09.44 | wazd | djszapi: yeah, actually tomorrow will be the release |
| 20:09.50 | trx | is it just me or is gsm signal reception on n950 VERY poor? |
| 20:10.09 | trx | i inserted a sim card today for the first time, and it sucks |
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| 20:12.21 | djszapi | wazd: cool. |
| 20:12.23 | trx | n900 has signal everywhere in my house while n950 doesnt even see it.. |
| 20:12.33 | trx | (the network) |
| 20:25.28 | trx | i wonder if i maybe have "Shun" on this server :) |
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| 20:41.50 | RST38h | moooo javispedro |
| 20:41.55 | javispedro | moo. |
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| 22:09.42 | lindi- | do you know if source code for the "calendar" package version "0.18.57+0m6" (afaik included in N9) is available somewhere? I tried adding "deb-src" to sources.list but at least that didn't let "apt-get source calendar" work |
| 22:11.30 | javispedro | calendar is not open |
| 22:11.36 | javispedro | afaik. |
| 22:11.46 | lindi- | javispedro: ok |
| 22:11.59 | lindi- | do you know if there is some open alternative? |
| 22:12.26 | lindi- | (mainly looking for something more touchscreen friendly than gpe-calendar or dates) |
| 22:12.36 | javispedro | dunno |
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| 22:22.43 | bara | hello! does the n9 support general jabber accounts? |
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| 22:43.58 | artemma | If I want to store my app settings in gconf, what should the proper key look like? |
| 22:44.11 | artemma | just /myApp/whateverSetting ? |
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